X Men 97 Clip-Same Old Debate

In b4 the “That wasn’t humanity that was Bastion. Humanity is innocent” people find this cause like bruh you are true but you forgot that after Genosha the governments of the world refused to let the mutants return to their nation of origin essentially forcing them to lie in poverty and squalor. How can you reason with heartless evil like that

@@Crystal_Dylan Exactly! Like, I completely disagree with Magneto's methods, and his reasoning that all of humanity should pay the price, but holy fuck do I understand where he's coming from. He's literally a two-time genocide survivor at this point, and twice, the world governments failed him. I'd be done with the planet too if I had the ability to build an asteroid and leave.

​@@Crystal_Dylannot to mention Dr. Cooper working alongside bastion....Charles forced magneto to turn power back on the humans attacked with missiles..... like what the fuck

​@@Crystal_DylanMembers of the united nations. Hydra. Doom. Other supervillains were all helping Bastain. Bastain was created by superior model sentinels who owe their existence to a bigoted human scientist and fearful humans who sponsored later models of his project. Let's not forget the FoH and their X-ecutioner were allowed by Val Cooper to crash Magneto's trial so they could remove his powers. The whole trial was nothing but a setup. Don't forget thousands of humans volunteered to be involved in the prime sentinel program. Sure they did not know they going to personally be altered into mutant hunting zombies but they were more than willing be part of an anti-mutant group. Even President Kelly, a champion of mutant rights refused to help search for possible survivors of the Genosha massacre because he thought it would hurt his image. Add to that having to watch his family murdered for the sin of being Jewish. Having to deal with horrors of the camps and the Warsaw ghetto. Having to watch his daughter burned alive by superstitious humans. Watching his lover Isabelle have her throat cut by a member of the CIA whom Magneto was working with. Granted Magneto's ruthless methods are wrong. But after all he went through I understand why he just said...."Enough".

@@Crystal_Dylan Not only that, the UN was *fully* complicit in Bastion's activities. They knew almost every detail, and they willingly funded all of it. They have an entire council dedicated to "placating" mutants until they can find a way to completely excise them from this mortal coil.

That *IS* a helluva entrance

Magneto always loves to make a grand entrance.

I knew someone was going to quote Fassbender Magneto.

@varric There's McKellen, too. "How does it look from there, Charles? Still fighting the good fight? From here, it looks like they're not playing by your rules... *Maybe it's time to play by theirs!* " 😆See?

"If you do this now, you'll make all mutants an enemy for all this."

@jadencoley2177 they already were.

@@DreamersOfReality “For God’s sake man, you’ll lose everything you build and people you care about!”

He's not wrong though. He truly dipped out to go simping for Space Cooch and not once thought "What could go wrong without me?..."

@@SuperWolsey He was hurt and left for recooperation. Another of Magneto's lies. But far above that in the wrong is Magneto's blasphemous lying. God is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible speaks on this in regards believers suffering. PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead, repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." Similar with gayness. LORD willing, all humans may commit sexual immorality (gay, straight) and sin, and that's wrong, all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

@@SuperWolsey Absolutely legit point 💯😤🤷🏿‍♂️

​@@SuperWolseyHe left because he was dying and Shi'ar was the only place where his injuries could get treated. Not to mention, he couldn't come back for a picnic because 1) Shi'ar were not allowing it and 2) His supposed death positively affected the mutant-human relations. The blame goes towards Bastion, Sinister, and Trask to some degree.

the irony though MAGNETO HELPED XAVIER GO TO SAID BIRD QUEEN lol at the end of the original series Magneto went to Xavier and saw his ass dying and actually helped to get a psychic message to her so she could pick him up and take him to be healed what abandonment was there when he helped send Xavier away lol

Hypocrisy coming from the poster boy of why people fear mutants

​@@hellblaze10"Enough."

Magneto is basically just saying, Xavier's plan truly sucks and he deeply regretted following it.

@@wilcals5294 We know damn well he never beleved it

he did things his way for 4 episodes and gave up when tragedy struck. magneto is fundamentally incompatible with xavier's ideology, he is too traumatized by the holocaust to ever be willing to fight on the backfoot.

Not Birdoussy 😭😭

Not to mention that Magneto shutting off the world's power is the only reason any of them are even still alive, since the Prime Sentinels would've overwhelmed them. Sure, a bunch of people died in planes and whatever but considering how many Sentinel sleeper agents there are all over the world wtf else was he gonna do

@@azure6181Exactly. The only reason they are alive is basically because of him. Charles is just a spoilt rich womanising groomer who gives a false sense of righteousness since he has never suffered in his life. So it’s easy for him to be the good guy

This is a complicated issue. Charles was originally in space to heal from his life threatening injuries but then a lot has changed since he left and most for better but worse overall. Mutants have an impossible ultimatum and sometimes the answer isn’t quite so simple. What Magneto is doing is justified but doesn’t always mean it’s right the ends don’t always justify the means. Charles can’t really be in this position either considering he wasn’t really present for the events and he not really seeing the big issue but what he strives for is still commendable. What are mutants to do?

Exactly

Just started the OG and lmfao they were gone no wonder they didn’t get a title card 😂

Rogue used “them” to refer to Morph. It’s fkin disgusting to see woke disney infecting such a great series. X-men 97 is doing great now but these little inserts of pronouns only leads to more and more till it completely destroys it. Tolerance really is extinction. Keep tolerating a little bit of pronouns today and soon this series will be extinct.

​​@@danielmata610Who the fuck cares

@@danielmata610 guy, it's such a little detail in the show that if that's bothering you this much already than you might be obsessing over the wrong things

@@danielmata610nice bait

Almost like it was on purpose Did you care about Morph without bonding time?

Can y explain pls?

@@willg1088 Morph was brought into the series just to get killed off, but was brought back later on due to popularity

@@KelShu can y tell me which ep he died?

@@willg1088 The first episode

Which only shows Magneto is wrong if you know Kurt and his story.

Which is bullshit. I'm sure Toad would attest.

@@batman369able to be fair, Toad wasn't Magneto's lackey in this continuity

​@@VunderGuy Exactly. God is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible even speaks on this in regards believers suffering. PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead, repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." Similar with gayness. LORD willing, it may be all sexual immorality and sin, wrong, all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

@@batman369able God is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible even speaks on this in regards believers suffering. PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead, repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." Similar with gayness. LORD willing, it may be all sexual immorality and sin, wrong, all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

It is explained a lot in the comics that both Xavier's and Erik's goals only work if they are working together. Xavier's vision is too narrow minded and he needs Erik to see the bigger picture and bring awareness to Charles. Erik moves too fast to extreme measures and lashes out due to his trauma. He needs Charles to keep himself in the present, and focus him to the correct path.

Honestly that reminds me of red hood and the punisher

They served those who stabbed them in the back over and over

16 millions, not thousands.

According to comics it was 94% of entire mutant population! This is not something you bounce back from or recover from, it was a targeted genocide. I really find it hard to sympathise with Charles and his sing along Kumbaya songs with humans after they wiped out willingly 94% of your people, in my opinion this should have been the tipping point for him to finally get the point co-existance is impossible.

Where the hell is Collossus ?

@@EM-tx3ly Russia

ILLAYNA!!!!!!!!

His sister died from the Legacy Virus and on her funeral, He left Xavier’s dream for Magneto’s

Rogue leaving makes little sense to me- as it's the xmen who are actively about to stop Bastion and she was obsessed with revenge barely an episode ago.

Agreed

She didn't exactly have time to breathe between Genosha and her short coma

Rogue showed her hand when she let Trask fall. She's squandered Remy's gamble yet again by siding with Magneto.

I mean her name is "Rogue" so it's kinda fitting.

I think she's justified in her switch. You can only turn the other cheek but some many times. She's just tired of watching mutants getting slapped.

Same, F humanity for not giving an F about Mutants!

Whats tbf

@@ericthegeneric1611 To Be Fair

@@MagnumBarrage thank you. I would 🤔 have not guessed that.

@@ericthegeneric1611 to be fair

I don't think it works in context coming from Magneto who is being unreasonable (as Magneto often is). It only makes sense to me if he said something like 'gods abandon those who do NOT believe because they have proven themselves no longer WORTHY of grace' or whatever.

I'm sure Toad would have issues with this statement.

​​​@@matttriano if magneto said that then he is just he is just agreeing with Professor x. Also Magento do think of himself as superior but not as a God coz he don't want other mutants to see him as a god as he thinks he equal to any other mutant.

It's a lie. God is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible even speaks on this in regards believers suffering. PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead, repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." Similar with gayness. LORD willing, it may be all sexual immorality and sin, wrong, all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

@@kartikeygupta3958 So, he'd rather lie than agree? Magneto's wrong. God is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible even speaks on this in regards believers suffering. PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead, repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." Similar with gayness. LORD willing, it may be all sexual immorality and sin, wrong, all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

How the hell did he survive if the blast broke through his barrier and vaporized Leech? I assume it has something to do with Bastion, and I bet he planned on Cooper freeing him.

​@@Alex_Logan22 he is probably more durable due to his powers compared to Leech. The blast probably knocked him unconscious which made the tri-sentinel not see him as a threat anymore. Thus sparing him for Bastion to capture him.

@@CeliMe007 The sentinel said the threat was eliminated, not neutralized like Gambit. The only way that makes sense is if someone teleported/transported him in the last second, his human flesh isn’t superhuman in any way and cannot take a blast that vaporized the morlocks. He could’ve made a smaller force field but then Leech should’ve survived too since he was clinging onto him. The sentinel was far too efficient to walk away from a heartbeat.

Rogue is angry. So is Roberto. That's why they choose to join Magneto. The rest use that anger to fight for a better world, not to destroy the one that exists.

​​@@jordanloux3883Ehhh. I'd argue the X-Men need to fundamentally change their approach to "fight for a better world". Playing hero to try to sway public opinion is a good thing, but that public opinion is fickle and when manipulators like Bastion are around, easily turned against mutant kind. They need what Genosha almost was, an internationally recognized power that would protect mutant kind and provide a safe space for them to live, whatever the public thinks. Something that couldn't be destroyed without serious consequences for all the powers of the world. Only then would mutants truly have the respect to demand coexistence instead of begging and praying for it while being exterminated. As long as things keep going the way they are Bastion's vision of the future is what is going to come about, not Xavier's. Quite literally without Magneto's actions the X-Men and hope for all mutant kind would have been destroyed in the previous episode.

And that's why Nightcrawler is the best X-Men.

​@@jordanloux3883 re: Sunspot- all because mumsey sold him out to hang on to status.

​@@jordanloux3883 bro's spitting bars

He fucked with the planets magnetic poles, he’s not leaving it a mess everyone’s finna die. All because of bastion and his self serving dream, he even said the people he made prime sentinels don’t even know it themselves

He's not leaving it a mess, he's leaving it to death, and only three mutants, including him, would be the survivors. He's not thinking this one through

Living in hiding and abandoning your home, which you have a right to, isn't just leaving. Abandoning your best friend and every mutant on earth isn't just leaving. It's running away. Sooner or later he'll get tired of running, he'll be back, because everyone gets tired of it. Moral ambiguity sucks, it does, living in the grey area sucks. But you either live there or live in denial - there's no other choice. Life ISN'T black and white, gods and monsters, or might and right. There's choice, there's freedom, and the game is never finite. Magneto wears a helmet not to protect himself from Xavier but to hide behind the idea that he has to, that Xavier might decide their ultimate fate by power and not reason. Magneto always plays black because deep down he knows Xavier has always made the first move. He plays black to have the excuse that he has no other choice but to defend himself. When given the white side of the board, he merely played defense. He retaliated but he never moved. He never *built* anything. Imagine if he cared this much about everyone, what he could do in a single day. He could solve the energy crisis, he could fix mountains, he could build cities in an evening... if he could only trust a single engineer to help him make the plans. Trust anyone besides himself. Instead, he reacts his entire life. Given power, Xavier built a school. Given a mutant power, Xavier used it to heal and teach. Magneto chooses to obsess over the actions of a few, but has he ever walked the earth without a uniform and just *asked* people what they believed? Did he ever give anyone else a chance? Nope. Too scared. If he had any sense, when the man that can read the mind of the WORLD all at once tells you there's hope, there's god damned hope. Xavier isn't espousing peace frivolously. He can observe it without reading anyone's mind. There are people that care about their plight, there's people that can be convinced - and Xavier knows it. Magneto can't believe in it because he's too into being a Roman Legionnaire. The truth, underneath all that exquisite dialogue - is that Magneto doesn't want Brotherhood, he wants tyrannical leadership. He's infected with the idea that he needs to lead because nobody else will do what he can - not because he has power, but because he has real fear. It's why he hides behind Magneto and not Erik, because he's damn near schizophrenic about his own idolism... and trying to simplify life is a great way to make it complicated. Man this show is written well though, it's such a human thing to want to rely on power instead of grace.

@@BigMac8000 Yea his fear stems from his childhood and defined him, which is why Charles doesn’t judge him.

@@Pongus_420 He doesn’t realize the planet’s about to die and he’s grieving too much to listen.

Like the scarlet witch reference 👍🏿🫡

I love that line

Okay, so by his logic, after Apocalypse, all mutants should be killed.

@@SithLordNefaar022like daughter, like father or is it the other way around…

I know right?? And some people are saying this is a character assassination of rogue when it's not

@@reno2319people forget that Rogue was originally a villain, and when she lead her own X-Men team, it was filled with villains, like Mystique and Sabretooth.

They also forget that Rogue's character in the comics was created long before Gambit's was apparently.

1.Classic rogue wasn't that popular and was fucking ugly. I don't mean like circus ugly I mean ugly like normal human ugly. 2.She was a viallaness for so little of her canon existence that most people not only forget it, but forget how much of menace she was with her power use back then. And no one gives a shit. They already fucked up rogue with this ill-conceived relationship stuff. It simply can't figt into the 90's xmen and not come off as fucked up. It just can't.

@@incognit01233 Subjective since not everyone who has watched this show has read a Rogue comic before the nineties and also Rogue's nineties costume is hella gaudy and ugly in comparison to the costume she's wearing in this episode. At least the show improved on the Jim Lee look by making the jacket green instead of shit brown.

A colony drop is just as good right??

LOL MAGNETO IN HIS SAZABI!

This comment is gold

Provavelmente a irnandade vai entrar em cena.

What?

Cyclops is right

er logan tried to kill magneto.

Didn’t you see Rogue attacked Logan, I know it was just to neutralize him since Logan wouldn’t hurt Rogue. And also Sunspot attacked Jubilee but didn’t 100% want to hurt her. I know those two don’t really want to hurt their friends but they might accept Magneto making Wolverine suffer the most pain he as ever felt.

Same Old Debate

He's just a Toymaker dancing with joy to the sympathy of Destruction

But he was backed by Trask and Gyrich, as well as Dr. Doom, Zemo and presumably Madame Hydra.

Bastion was created by future sentinels and those all lead back to humans like Trask and Gyrich, as well as everyone complicit in funding their operations over the years. Humans very much caused Genosha, even if it was indirectly.

​@@GarthTheDestroyer OZT also had UN funding right. I remember Cap saying something like that.

​@@GarthTheDestroyerAll of whom basically said "You're crazy, tf!" in their own way. Doom said he doesn't condone what happened; he only wanted contingencies.

Sounds like a skill issue. Ignore the words and focus on the actions.

Easy. The humans did not cause this. It is some Bs robot from the future and Magneto knows it. He is punishing the humans for something they did not do. Sure they did not help, and they are asshole for that, but this is not their fault.

But it’s a robot created by humans because of people like Magneto. It is their fault they created a weapon that would wage war and try to enslave people and thought they wouldn’t fight back? Humans caused all of this and set this chain of events in motion. They never created weapons to simply protect them from mutants this was the end goal from the beginning of the sentinel program

*Rogue

rouge? from sonic the hedgehog?

You are comparing two completely different situations. "Leaving the family" and "turning against the family" are not the same thing

@@anjaneyasreetrout2444 yes they are different, but they do stem from the same place, the value and trust you put in to that family, if Storm is so able to walk away because of the loss of her powers then why should Rogue stick with them instead of doing what she thinks is right?

"You weren't there." It's a diss and the truth

If you’re familiar with the comics then you know that won’t kill him.

@@TheHeadNinjainComics I know he (Logan) doesn't. But I'm just saying that she jinxed it where she said that line of "not seeing any more mutants die." Unfortunately for Logan though this is where he becomes his feral self if the X-Men 97 even goes that far with him.

@@kamenrangerzeo8251 They most likely will go that route. Hell! They might do Onslaught next season.

@@TheHeadNinjainComics The seeds have been planted at the rate that everything has been happening so far. So I wouldn't doubt it, plus I think after the final episode it may happen for the next season.

Xavier knows they're just pawns being played for a greater threat, most probably Magneto is one of his plans too

Exactly. Magneto is just a pawn in Bastion's hand in order to give green light to the Sentinel Program.

Here is the thing..both are worng. And write Megnito is right in a sence that mutants can't continue to request tolerance and get extinction every time. Ans Charles is right that blowing upp the earth is worng

But Bastion isn't behind it all. Every prime Sentinal choose this path, Every hero ignored the injustice. Captain America, Iron man, Thor, where were they during Genoshia, where were they during the outbreak of primes... They let it happen.

@@WhysoSeriousSamualThey weren’t there because X-Men stop making sense in the wider scope of Marvel Comics when other superheroes show up.

Who are you saying this too? Charles or Magneto

@@WannabeWryter Magneto.

"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!"

“LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS”

@@samflood5631Exactly!! I was too!!!

I don't mean to be rude but is that a bad thing 🤔

@@andrewedwards3005 never said it was… a different side isn’t necessarily bad. Also no avengers helped genosha but yeah.

Never take opinions about other heroes from X-Men media

​@@HenryLongfellow-lw2gq make sense, x-men title would prioritise x-men stories instead of making other teams take the spotlight.

Red Skull would worship the land Mag floats over

@@ninab.4540 He wouldn't and hasn't.

@@ninab.4540the only reason Magnus didn’t kill him was because he didn’t know if it was really him.

@@ninab.4540the nazi would worship the Jewish mutant?

You do realize what Red Skull is

It just shows how Magneto lies to himself and other to justify his worst actions and make excuses for them. The truth is, God is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible even speaks on this in regards believers suffering. PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead, repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." Similar with gayness. LORD willing, it may be all sexual immorality and sin, wrong, all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

@@Dagenspear "Lies to himself" implies the answer to be obvious and self-evidently in your favor, but of course that pushes the narrative you're looking for where faith and goodness are synonymous and cannot exist without eachother. Piss off evangelist, I'm here to make literary analysis.

@@parkerdixon-word6295 except everyone knows outside of faith it is only opinion which guides right and wrong in a godless world tell me what makes the holocaust evil

@@durrangodsgrief6503 Well considering people don't want to die, or be genocided, and collectively most of humanity agreed that it was wrong and evil. Thats what makes it evil. And, not to bring more religion into this than you already did, the Nazi's were Christians, who believed they were doing God's work. Which, I don't see how you can argue against since there's about 45000 versions all of which think they're right. In the context of the show, you've got humans with godlike powers who are effectively gods among men, who are hated because of something that they can't change. And when you're as powerful as Magneto or Storm are, and you're continuously discrimnated against by what can be perceived as lesser beings, I think being pissed is very much justified. Especially after trying for peace. Magneto honored Charles' wishes, he TRIED to follow Charles' path, and basically got a slap in the face in return. When you take into consideration that Erik himself is Jewish and saw his family and his people rounded up into concentration camps, with his people's god doing nothing to save them from genocide his "Gods abandon those who believe in them" line makes a lot more sense. The implication that "We will be better gods" is there but, its not like its unwarranted. In Erik's eyes, Yahweh failed them, and so did humanity. So hey, if god won't save and protect his people, in this case mutant kind, then he has to do it himself.

@@byronjefferson1697 yeah no that doesnt work the nazi thought what they did was right so you have no grounds to deny what they did if morality was based on popularity them then shit like slavery is correct, in a nation where rape is allowed and is agreed upon how can you say its evil or even Mao and Stalin who were atheists who subjugated their people how can what they did be denied as evil if they believe it right why should they adhere to the human agreement what reason do they have your both men what makes your wishes greater than theirs

She was talking about genosha. Storm wasn't there to witness

Yeah they all saw from TV only Rogue, Nightcrawler and Gambit were actually there.

Better the sacrifice of them than the half a zillion sentinals wiping out all of mutant and human kind.

fr bro took the heavy hitters 🤣

​@@flamingbow10Excuse me, but Storm can Woop their butts.

Bro say it louder! Everyone saying "mAgNeTo Is RiGhT" when's he's really not. If anything he's acting just like Trask and all the others. That doesn't solve anything it just repeats the cycle

​@@phantomhero21Shove it. Magneto tried to be nice, and look where it got him. Genocide changes people. He is done being nice and merciful. If Magneto has to perish; then he will take the whole world with him.

@@dravguitao7265 Then what makes him any different from all the mutant haters? It becomes a cycle with no winner. Hell, in one series, Xavier managed to convince both sides to stop by showing them the dark future should they continue. Despite that and Kelly shutting down sentinels, Magneto still wanted to continue and orchestrated a war

Fair point! but damn idk how else they could've solved this without Magneto taking action. They were looking like they were about to get wiped out.

​@@phantomhero21What makes him different is that he actually gave a legitimate effort for peace. This isn't blind hate but a man who has been disappointed over and over again by humanity finally saying "enough".

He had a dream A dream to do the MLK path instead of Mal X Well how did that work out (Considering even Mal X got killed it still doesn't bode well for Mag)

Magneto is wrong in that he's doing things to kill peope. Far above that in the wrong is Magneto's blasphemous lying. God is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible speaks on this in regards believers suffering. PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead, repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." Similar with gayness. LORD willing, all humans may commit sexual immorality (gay, straight) and sin, and that's wrong, all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

Good theory

He was going up their so he could safely permantely alter the earth magnetic field essentially getting rid of advance technology and without that mutants would basically be unstoppable. Atleast thats how I understood this episode

>While telling them his doors are open and they can join him whenever they want.

@@joelsasmad It's a pointless ultimatum. They either Join or Die with the rest of the planet.

@@flamingbow10 HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA Are you stoned? They have the asgardians, the atlanteans, the iornfistst, the hulk, they have entire pantehons of pissdd of gods demigods and ghost rider and stephen strange. The fu\\ck is he thinking?

@@joelsasmadthat’s not a choice it’s an ultimatum

The One True and Only God YHWH Jehovah is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible even speaks on this in regards believers suffering. PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One and Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead, repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." Similar with gayness. LORD willing, it may be all sexual immorality and sin, wrong, all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

You just made me remember Black History, who is right Malcolm X, or Martin King.

Magneto is right, Charles is living a fantasy. There is no peacful coexistence.

@@mossgeorge2001 isn't professor X and Magneto inspired by this? Someone told me something like that Still, my text is basically the same to that debate Usually you have to hope that the good people's voices will became louder than the bad people By being a pacifist, you end up being an "easy target" so the voices of the bad people increase with their violence towards you While by being a violent, you end up being the villain even to the eyes of the good people

If I am saying bs, please tell me 😅

@@seisansei9476 Absolutely not, this is completely the point of their rivalry.

You’re not alone. I thought it was part of the new costume 😂

Your not a dumass I didn't realize that either.

He was bad before and didn't like it and magneto doesn't have mind control abilities 😂😂

Her family is on the wrong side of history

@@user-nz9co5bu2k ?

To be fair, I feel Genosha WAS the third option. Xavier dreams of coexistence, human and mutant neighbors living amongst each other in peace. Magneto dreams of mutant supremacy. Genosha was more along the lines of "fine, you don't want us among you. Then we'll go live on our own. You stay on your side, we'll stay on ours. We go about our respective lives".

Third option Revolution cyclops And throughput the whole show,it's dropped hints its happening

​@@V4EVegaThis. I genuinely feel that Mutants need an internationally recognized power that will protect and provide a safe space for them to live. Only then can they have the respect to form true lasting alliances that can foster real coexistence, instead of the fairweather friends they have with the likes of Kelly.

​@@V4EVega Genoshia...or Krakoa?

Magnus would've likely smacked Ollie around while telling him how ignorant he is.

Magneto played Xavier’s game at the wrong place at the wrong time. No wonder he is far more pissed than before and he just witnessed another genocide on top of that. He is more than pissed.

It thousands or more death buddy. But you know what get me madder. Magnus didn't have a single help from anybody that isn't a mutant. If this is DC, Superman will be there to fight the Sentinel without Gambit having to kill himself. Flash will be speeding civilian out of the dangerzone. Batman will be hunting Bastion down like a defeated dog and Cyborg and WW will be sent to drag him into a tribunal. Magneto would have seen the best hero the planet have to offer being a shoulder th mutant population can lean on, convincing him his people are not alone... the world finest is holding the sky for them. Here... nuh uh. Where is Stark? Is Strange lock in a dimension where cellphone don't work. Who is sucking up Steve when Gambit blow himself up. Where is the FF when the mutant need help? I will even settle for Clint. No one. Not a single Avenger show up to the mess. The 'heroes' decide to screw their duty and let people die. Great job, I will be done with the planet too if I am Magneto.

​@@wiritpollapcharoenporn3168That's called bad writing eventually. Marvel heroes would never pass over Genosha's massacre.

@@ark1567 but they do. Constantly. They only ever get involved when mutants lose patience and lash out. They give lectures to mutants and the X-Men, but do nothing to stop government sanctioned enslavement and genocide attempts. For all the bad writing in Civil War, it felt cathartic seeing the mutants tell the rest of the hero community that the scuffle wasn't their problem and refuse to get involved with either Cap or Tony when neither had their backs when needed

Genosha was the result of Sinister, Bastion and Master Mold. Magneto is taking his anger out on the wrong people. Declaring war on the entirety humanity for the schemes of a select few villains is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Many of the prime sentinels were not willingly turned - they were forced against their wishes. The Prime Sentinel tech effectively just turns them into part of the Sentinel collective, they don't have any free will. Magneto wanting a better world for mutants is *not* wrong. But his ideology of "mutants are the evolution of humanity and should replace them" *is.* That is supremacist talk.

That doesn't really make sense. Morph was on the team for a while at least in canon. Actual appearence wise sure.

@langadube9611 The meaning is the TV show first episode. Morph was on the team but he wasn't a character in the comics .

@@drnockaable Yeah I know the out of universe meaning but in universe Morph was on the team for a while. So in universe Rouge's statement doesn't make sense.

but you can understand why he is the way he is

It's really a shame, but himself warned "don't make me give up on you" , and humanity did it, in the most coward and horrible way. So yeah, not know what was to be expected

@@leooliveira7360 Well more Bastion than humanity

@@kehindeomolaoye8020 Prime Sentinels all choose this path, The Government funded the program... this was a united choice. Bastion might have been the match, but he was just one of hundreds.

@@WhysoSeriousSamual The government isn't all or even majority of humanity. No justification.

To be fair, Asteroid M was half assed in Season 4.

It's true that if he didn't EMP the planet many mutants would have died. But by doing so he also inadvertently caused the deaths of people hooked up to life support, people with pacemakers, some planes probably crashed... The issue is that after the EMP he wants to double down. You can easily argue the EMP was self defense, protecting mutants who were in danger. But what he chooses to do after is active hostility. This just gives Bastion more support for Operation Zero Tolerance. He's being played.

​@@ApexGaleProbably the reason he wasn't butthurt that he survived or freed. Crazy radical world ending mutant only strenthens his argument in peoples eyes and give him more support.

@ApexGale Magneto has to double down. He was there when Bastion reached out to people from around the globe: Doom, Zemo etc. And they all seemed to go along with/be complicit with Bastions plans for prime sentinels and to purge the mutant population. Magneto did what he had to do.

Magneto is a villain. A sympathetic one

He's cutting and running when the going got tough. He's leaving billions of people to die and any mutant that isn't going to be okay with letting billions die. What is he right about again?

funny thing is, they're actually based OFF of those tw.