Fixing The Amazing Spider Man 2 (Video Essay) ft. Armored Penguin
In this Spider-Man Video Essay, we discuss Fixing The Amazing Spider-Man 2. From Electro to The Green Goblin, we tackle it all (well not really Electro, but that's impossible). What is your favorite Spider-Man movie, let me know!
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My favorite is either Spiderman 2 Extended Cut or the original Spiderman.
I think Spider-Man Homecoming is by far and away the best one, and I have a 30+ minute video on my channel going into why. As for what would get me to donate to patreon: control over my own finances for a start.
Spiderman 2.1. Because relatability.
Spider-Man 2. Alfred Molina as the villain is excellent. Well written and played to perfection. The whole cast shows up as well. Other than the taking the mask off bit (which does play well in scene) I don’t have much bad to say about it.
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Who feels bad for Andrew Garfield
I do.
Gavin Myatt me too
Yes he was wasted. Just like ben affleck
No lol my boy Andrew Garfield got himself in Hacksaw Ridge and is in alot of Quality film's
He give up his dream(interpreting spiderman)so Marvel could use spiderman,actually i respect him because of that
Is no one going to say that the Harry Osborn in this film looked like emo peter from Spider-Man 3. It's bothering me that no one is saying that
Ye
It's too easy to point out imo
Deranged Crouton Emo Peter is better he atleast know an amazing dance moves
I absolutely agree, distracting and disappointing, it contributed to seeming like the filmmakers were really running out of ideas (not only do we have Harry again but he looks like Peter from the last version).
Deranged Crouton No one cuz he really doesn’t look like him
Not gonna lie, but the Spider-Man unmasking montage made me smile :D
Spinox yo me too
Spinox same here
Me too
I mean at least it had the best CGI and the best web swinging
Yes! Even over homecoming. This film was beautiful
Exactly. Even better than the cgi fest of the recent movies. The electro fight alone is better. And the score was absolutely amazing
Exactly i love the pov shots in the movie
The ASM films will always have a special place in my heart because of the perfection of Parker's hair. Garfield absolutely the best hairline ever, it's unbelievable.
Same
Not anymore he doesn't. Lol. Well, he probably got surgery on it somewhat recently, but it was receding pretty good there for a few years.
While I mostly agree, I think Electro is a better character than given credit. He's still not great by any measure, but I think when you pay attention to the way they deal with his character's mental illness, I think elements of his character are actually handled fairly well. Of course Harry should have been given greater care like you say. I would have loved for example the next movie to have been Spidey in the black suit, going full on revenge on Harry for what he did. Maybe have some fun with Black Cat along the way to help him get over Gwen.
I agree, kinda like what Tobey did to Franco in Raimi Spider-Man 3, Franco forced Tobey & Mary Jane to break up, in tasm 2, Dane killed Gwen, Garfield beats the shit out of Dane just like Tobey did to Franco,
I rather have him not die and get help from Peter
I agree I loved electro I thought he was fine except the orange lightning make it blue for god sakes it looks like pixy dust not lightning
Maybe Electro should be caused by Green Goblin when Green Goblin puts a tank of eels near Max Dillon then he falls down the next day he wakes up, he goes outside lights flickering minutes later he is stopped by Spider-Man then he wakes up fights Spider-Man then chases spider man to the power grid and gwen run up to the control and spider man put his web near the electricity also holds it then Electro strikes electricity at him , Gwen turns on the power grid making electro charge up and explode. The dark knight worked because Joker has made Harvey Dent into Two Face and it focused on villain
Agreed with everything but I think the next movie shouldn't have any romantic interests for Peter
this movie although a mess had the best, suit, soundtrack, and web swinging
classichowie suit, maybe. Soundtrack, no ( that goes to 2002 Spider-Man). Web swinging, no. I really like Toby's spider-man suit better though.
@@dean3438 no u
Dusty in Space I don’t even know who you are or care
tasm 1 and 2 had the best suits also the best web swinging but i dont agree with the soundtrack part
The anything show 2 I agree with u with the spiderman 2 soundtrack, but the Amazing Spiderman did have the best swinging scenes. Try researching them, they're really amazing.
We all know who's fault why TASM 2 is hated..... AVI ARAD Alright here's my Pros and Cons about the Movie. Pros: - The Actors - The Spidey Suit - The use of Practical Effects - The physics, the action, The swinging - The theme of Time - The OST - The chemistry between Gwen and Peter - The Director - The Acting - Deleted Scenes - The CGI Cons: - The Deleted Scenes being cut from the Movie - AVI ARAD - The many Villains - The story being rushed - The plot
I think for the villains they tried to set up like TDK Minor villain: Scarecrow=rhino Main villain: Joker=electro Side villain: Two-Face=Green Goblin
Exactly what i always had in mind. Couldn't say it any better
@@mysticalx7974 except all of those characters worked great in The Dark Knight because they had a purpose
Oh... And I heard TASM 2 is originally going to be 8 hours long. TASM 1 is 4-5 hours long.
Why Avi Arad. I just googled the name and didn't understand
Wow...I just wrote a whole half hour about this movie not too long ago, and the idea of Harry trying to be a hero at first never even occurred to me. Interested in checking out Armored Penguin now.
His stuff is hilarious and great. Thanks for watching!
I could watch u talk about this film for hours. Great job
Thanks Sam! It means a lot.
So I'm thinking that means you're masochistic? In the sense that its listening to someone talk about how bad a film is for hours. Or maybe its just that you need validation of how poor you believe the film to be that badly that hearing some else go on about for a long time makes you feel more justified for not liking the film? Or possibly its just the joy of an eternal of an ASM2 hate-fest that has you going. Either way... you know what? I could question KZhead posters on subjects like this for hours.
@@GARY84ROCKS You big gay
I could watch him shower for hours . . . yes
@@GARY84ROCKS Man, you must be so lonely
Am I the only one here who likes this movie? How to fix it: Remove Rhino Develop Electro a bit more Keep in a few deleted scenes Fix the Peter's parents plot Maybe mess around with the order of events a bit, but not too much. Release the complete soundtrack including demos and alternate cues
Andres Acosta I agree with your list.
So they need to... make a new movie.
Andres Acosta ye. And mybe take out some annoying ass goblin shit that was ridiculous
I made an edit of the film and cut about 20 min. The only Rhino stuff is in the beginning. The movie starts with the chase. I cut a lot of dialogue that just rambles and smoothed out a lot of scenes. I even added in most of the deleted scenes, it really helped. Frankly the movie is alot better when you cut it down. I remember liking the movie the first time I saw it, but always thought that is was about 20 minutes to long. And I was right.
electro shouldve been a completely different character
I think both the Amazing Spider-Man movies are worth watching for the Gwen-Peter moments. The writing and the chemistry between the two really capture their relationship close to how it is in the comics.
I like Amazing Spider-Man 2 for what it is, but I think this video brings up a very important topic: studios need to stop messing with their movies and let the directors do their job. It happened with this movie, and supposedly it happened with Justice League before Zack Snyder even left. It even happened with Suicide Squad, with the writers having only six weeks to write the film! People wonder why Sony and Warner are having troubles keeping up with the MCU, but I think it's clear that studio meddling is the main issue. Marvel Studios and Fox both have a history of letting their writers tell the stories they want to tell, because they learned their lesson with Iron Man 2 and X-Men Origins: Wolverine respectively. I hope that moving forward Sony and Warner Bros. pay attention to what went wrong with their earlier films and just let their filmmakers do their jobs.
Ethan P yea look say what you want about the movie but at the end of the day TASM2 had the best spiderman costume ever. its the most comic book accurate suit they made to date!
I believe the same thing happenef with Spider-man 3 didn't it?
Yes. Sony (along with producer Avi Arad) forced Director Sam Raimi to include Venom and Gwen Stacy in Spider-Man 3, due to the popularity of the characters in the Early 90s.
@@gerribrown4077 yep I do wonder what would have happened if Raimi was able to do the film the way he wanted but it all turn out okay right? Also have a good day😁
Fox didn't learn it right because look what happened to Fant4stic.
There was a lot of good in this movie. A lot. Soundtrack, characters, special effects, character interactions and so on. This movie failed in a lot of other ways but I still love this movie because I feel that this was Spider-Man at his best or at least one of his best cause I do like Tom Holland more but this movie did so many things right and people just fail to realize that.
the suit to tho was amazing
@@hassannaeem7002 honestly didn't even notice. there was really so much more about the movie that was good, but, sure the approved internet comment that people are comfortable saying is "but that suit tho amirite"
tom holland is a decent spiderman, of a younger version. for that, i can appreciate what they're doing with that version of spiderman. but garfield's spiderman acting overall was more balanced and less "i just fought thanos and i can't talk into a microphone durr durr"
@@Janzer_ ???
Back to formula?
GAMER 1999 Back to the chalkboard.
back to the comics
GAMER 1999 BACK TO FORMULA??!?
Back to future
@@danielortiz388 I remember this is from a movie... I can't remember from which one tho
The reason why I don’t find it bad is because it has good casting, editing, great CGI, costume, acting and you get so easily distracted you can’t see it’s bad
The music in this film is incredible
BATJAX I only like one track it's the gwen and Peter them everything else is garbage electros theme explains his entire motivation. The main theme for spiderman adds nothing to the character its repetitive it doesn't even explore peter parker through music. It's just bugle trumpet music that repeats its self and has little no variation other than some piano here and there. Its Zimmer's worst work thanks to Pharrell Williams.
Not as epic or sweeping as Elfman's Spider-Man 2
I love the theme when he's swinging at the start
BATJAX No
The music in this film sounds exactly like free action stock music. It’s just so bland and uninspired. Hans Zimmer is an amazing composer, however Will Pharrell collaborating with him, was just a terrible idea.
To me, this movie has such a depressive aura around it now knowing that nothing this movie sets up is happening now. It's like watching a guy propose for marriage but knowing that his girlfriend is just not that into him and she's going to say no.
Yiorgios Vazouras So...like how Gwen refused Peter's proposals in the comics
Fun fact, the filmmaker of this film directed 500 Days of Summer, another romantic drama/comedy
If Sony actually wanted to do an Untold story of the Wall Crawler, then they should’ve made Uncle Ben stay alive so Peter gets his powers and has no responsibility and the way he learns to have his responsibilities is the death of Captain Stacy.
You're a genius. You fixed Harry's character. You made him realistic. Instead of being bitten up, you make him run out of guilt. Sadly, we cannot undo this movie's mistake. But you're a genius.
The funny thing is, I disagree with a lot of the videos and points you made, however, your videos are so well put together and well based, that I can't help but respect your opinion anyway. Subscribed.
That's a really nice comment.
Idc, I love both Amazing Spider-Man movies.
The first one was amazing. 2nd one was good despite it's flaws.
@@spider-boy1962 My Thoughts Exactly.
The second was shit
I hope Sony and avi arad doesn't see your comments , they would think that their interference with Marc Webb's visions was the right thing to do
TASM2 is actually my favourite Spiderman film but all your points are absolutely true
@The Pitch Respect an opinion please
It’s my favorite too!
LikeNobodii Plz try to go grow up Plz
i completely disagree but it had potential
I believe that the spider blood thing cannot be fixed because it was teased earlier on in TASM that Peter was, in a way, a product of his father's work. Albeit, through deleted scenes and trailer content. It was also implied in the non-canon TASM video game where Doc Connors notes that deformities and drastic personality changes were absent in Spider-Man. Removing that detail would also lead to a plot hole: Without a biological failsafe, Oscorp could have used the spider blood in secret and would also make Peter unlikely to be the first Spider-Man, since Oscorp had the spiders for more than a decade (Peter was 6 when Richard and Mary left). Genetic tampering could also be an explanation as to why Harry's condition is more severe than his father's. Perhaps Norman wanted his son to be rid of the disease (not just out of love, but also out of a sense of achievement) but unwittingly made it worse.
Amazing video, You should fix X-men origins Wolverine, or X-men apocalypse. Just a thought.
Hmmm, Origins would be fun!
Just... Focus the movie on the montage at the beginning of the movie. Focus on Logan's and Victor's relationship. Done.
The last word should've been sinister
Actually is very easy. the same movie give us the answer. You have a max dillon less imperative. Show us through flashbacks as he create the idea of the power plant. And as how OSCORP steal it the idea. Bitter and spiteful , MAax seeks to sue the company but the dome of oscorp seeks to "eliminate it" and the accident he suffered was an attempt to kill him to make it look like an accident. NOW transformed into electro, seek revenge against OSCORP (donald menken, smythe and harry osborn). In that way peter parker /Spiderman he would seek to protect the life of his best friend and during his battles against electro he would discover the sinister agenda of OSCORP. And the plot about harry in the 3 movie. TASM3: harry vs peter and the death of gwen stacy.
This is sort of similar to what I wanted Electro to be too.
In my opinion, spider man 2 is not only the best spider man movie, but the best superhero movie as well. All I have to say is, "I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride. Even though sometimes we have to be steady and give up the things want the most." Peter had everything. He was living the dream. But the world didn't need Peter Parker. The world needed spider man.
Agreed!
Thank u
The Midnight Shadow the dark knight is my second favorite
Obviously people look for different things in film so understandably some will say 2, some will say Homecoming. I personally love both, as 2 is a very mature, profound film, Homecoming is relatable for totally different reasons. I find Spider-man 2 really appeals to the adult in me, whereas Homecoming really appeals to my inner youth. Both these films do it with flying colours but I guess I give the edge to Spider-man 2 as I'd still say I prefer the larger-than-life directing style of Sam Raimi, the glorious score of Danny Elfman and the harder edge to the reality it takes place in. It's truly the deepest and most personal Spidey tale of Peter's greatest struggle, and while many have tried to top it, it still remains unparalleled.
Channel Goat Same here. Looking back in the second film (and the trilogy as a whole), I was surprised at just how mature those movies were. Sure, they had the typical Raimi campiness but that was mostly in the first film which still had some nice moments. The second film handled its tone much better and even though the third movie had its tonal problems, when it was serious, it was really fucking good. The Sandman stuff was definitely the highlight of the movie. I wanted to see more of his character but of course the studio had to shove Venom in where he didn’t need to be. If Raimi was able to just focus on Sandman like he originally wanted to, I guarantee Spider-Man 3 would be the best Spider-Man movie ever.
This channel is continously growing to be one of my favorites, I'm extremely amazed, even though TASM2 will still never be completely fixed.
I have my own opinions about this movie but can we at least agree on something? The friendship of Harry and Peter in this movie is so realistic. At least in their first scene together. It feels so real. At least to me. Probably my favorite part about the movie.
I found the movie was great.
Drez Garancho hahahaha
I love the funny scenes man :D
I loved the movie too.
It was garbage
Is Life of the Party actually one of your three least favourite films.
the better question is, why was HiTop Films so excited for Life of the Party in the first place so as to completely brake him?
I'm in the same boat as you about LOVING spider-man. It sparked my love for filmmaking, comics, games, art, and all that gud stuff. The character of Peter Parker and Spider-man means a lot to me and it was such a shame what TASM2 became, I have never felt more disappointed sitting there after it was over. There are some good moments and a decent movie hiding inside but the final product was a mess. I still think Spider-Man 2 is my favorite Spidey film, It just nails that everyman aspect of Peter, Toby just looks so defeated and you feel so bad for him everytime something goes wrong. You can see through his face that he is trying so hard to do the right thing despite having to make big personal sacrifices every step of the way, that's what makes Peter such a good guy. Homecoming is very close, I just wish we had more time to focus on Peter dealing with the repercussions of making those personal sacrifices, beating himself up that he almost killed all of his friends on an elevator due to his reckless behavior. Beating himself up that he almost got killed by the vulture their first encounter and also a little thing like Peter walking past the destroyed Bodega later in the film to really show how reckless he is being.
homecoming to me felt very fast. i liked it, but its definitely a different take on spiderman films.
FIJI !
@@AlexSchwartzATV FIJI !
I don't think The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is an awful movie by any means, but it definitely is disappointing. I still love Andrew Garfield's performance as Spider-Man and it's easily my favorite portrayal of the character. And The Amazing Spider-Man 1 is a far better film overall. It had heart and emotional, had a decent villain who made sense, and had great pacing. It also was less interested in just making a franchise. Two, like you hit on, was just focused on pushing a sequel. If I were to fix it I would definitely take out Electro, or at least change his origin and character traits. His reasoning for being evil just seemed weak and unrealistic. Plus if you give him a better purpose and story then he becomes more believable as a villain. I would also make slight changes to Harry Osborne's story. Overall, I love how he portrayed the character (bitter at his father for basically treating him horribly, becoming desperate to cure himself and letting it twist his reasoning, and his performance as the Goblin (though short) definitely wasn't bad) and Dane Dehaan (Don't think I spelled that right) is a great actor. But sometimes he seemed too edgy even from the get go. He was basically already evil from the beginning. I would definitely keep some parts though. The opening part with him stopping Rhino and the armored truck I would definitely keep. That scene is probably the best portrayal of Spider-Man I've ever seen. It shows the witty, funny, sarcastic Spider-Man, has amazing action, it shows him late for something important and missing something because of his duties as Spider-Man, which is a common theme in Spider-Man history. He misses out on the things in his normal life and is constantly getting sidetracked by Spider-Man's life. Plus Gwen's speech playing over the scene does great at giving some foreshadowing and gives an awesome feel playing over the scene. I would also keep the Peter/Gwen love angle with them being separated. It gives the movie some emotion. Peter feels guilty about breaking the promise to her father but also is miserable being away from her and misses her. And watching them reconnect and realize they still love one another is a great plot device and really good character development. It worked really well in the new Spider-Man game with MJ and I think it works here as well and gives more of a look into Peter's life. I would also keep the fight between Spidey and Green Goblin (except make it quite a bit longer). I liked the cinematography and action in that scene and the fact that Peter was constantly trying to save Gwen while also fend off Harry played out really well. Plus Gwen's death (like the opening fight with Rhino) is one of my all time favorite Spider-Man scenes. It has emotion, and shows some consequence and risk for the character. it was his fault that she died and it brings the promise made to her dad come full circle because exactly what Peter and Captain Stacy tried to avoid ended up happening. It also shows that heroes will have losses and risk. And the last scene I think would keep is the end scene where he faces the armored Rhino. I actually really liked this. It shows what I've seen this channel talk a lot about with Spider-Man. Bad things happen to him. His life gets torn apart, but he always comes back and keeps being Spider-Man. He keeps being good. I love this scene because it shows the effects of Gwen's death on him and shows him overcoming it and continuing on. It also shows, much like the train scene in Spider-Man 2, his connection to the people of New York. It shows him as a symbol. He makes his triumphant return and shows that he isn't about to let bad things in his life hold him down. He still remains optimistic. Plus it helps with foreshadowing future movies which is what Sony wanted. I think the movie could have been saved but sadly Sony got greedy and only wanted to push a franchise. Not make a good movie. A lot could be taken out of this movie and make it great. It sucks that Andrew Garfield and the rest of the cast of this movie are panned for their portrayals.The casting and acting were great. But sadly Sony screwed it up. The first movie was a step in the right direction, and 2 had all the right things to be great but then failed miserably with all the crap they unnecessarily threw in.
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I disagree with that part at the beginning. That scene had Spider-Man wasting time telling jokes and letting people die as a result.
i wasn't expecting 7.5 paragraphs
Longest comment uve ever seen
I've got a perfect way to fix ELECTRO! It would have been better if they had the whole concept on great power comes great responsibility! Electro is the new guy in town and Peter is trying to be a mentor just like Uncle Ben and teach Max! but then Max doesn't understand the moral and thinks with great power comes great revenge where he takes his anger on everyone that made fun of him!
what the fuck
If Sony hadn’t messed with it then it would’ve been so much better and it sucks that so many people hate on these movies when the bad things didn’t come from the director or actors. They acted really well and had a good relationship between Peter and Gwen and Gwen wasn’t a whiny weak character that was being saved all the time. There was actual emotion and morals in them, and I also really liked the suits
There also wasn’t a happy ending Bc Gwen died and it showed that things don’t always go the way you want them to. Gwen was gonna go to Oxford and there was a lot of drama between her and Peter but then it was suddenly ended and was emotional, which made it good and not like every other movie
In TASM 1 Add scenes of Peter and his family The Relation of Peter with Harry and Dr Connors (Let Harry Be in a small part) Peter uses Skateboard as a mean of transport Reduces the strange noises during the talks between Gwen And Peter Peter doesn't act like a idiot in the table and shop scene Peter gets bullied by Flash in the first clash between them Peter saves the kid and all the cars in the bridge instead of just saving the kid and leaving Lizard doesn't kill Cpt Stacy as he is like a father figure and two father figures have died already Peter capture all the criminals he meet and hands them to the police instead of leaving them if they are the wrong person Uncle Ben says the iconic line 'with great powers comes great responsibility' instead of giving a speech on responsibility before he dies Peter Stays Away from Gwen as he is responsible In TASM 2 Introduce Electro as main villain and Harry helps him to get information about Spider Man Gwen Lives Rhino is not introduced (he will be one the people Spidey captures and hands them to police increasing his the number of people who wanna kill Spidey) He stalks Gwen and talks to her but is scared to put her in danger He makes a decision of living with her Harry gets to know about his company's future plans and tries to find a cure and gets insane and tries to kill Spidey in TASM 3 THIS STORY COULD HAVE A BETTER IMPACT TASM AS IN AVENGERS:AGE OF ULTRON THEIR WAS SCENCE WHICH COULD HELP TASM TO ENTER MCU BUT THEY FIRED ANDREW GARFIELD IF THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN ,HE WILL APPEAR IN CAPTAIN AMERICA:CIVIL WAR IN TASM 3 (2017) HARRY TRIES TO KILL SPIDEY AND IN THIS PROCESS HARRY KILLS GWEN PETER STOPS BEING SPIDEY HARRY IS SORRY FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE BUT THE ANTIDOTE MAKES BLOOD THRISTY NOW HE HAS HIS MCU MENTOR TONY STARK WHO WOULD MOTIVATE HIM TO NOT LOSE HOPE IN TASM 4 (2019) SPIDERVERSE COMES LIVE AND THEIR IS A SPIDER GWEN ,TOBEY'S SPIDER AND OTHERS WILL BE FIGHTING THE SINISTER SIX BUT ALAS IT'S A DREAM OF A BOY WHO GREW UP SEEING THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN SERIES
You know it's funny. Hans Zimmer had more time to make the score for Amazing Spider-Man 2, and Danny Elfman had less time to make the score for Justice League, but JL's score still sounds a little soulless to me, where as ASM2's score sounds like it has a soul.
John Earley I love ASM2's score to pieces Hell, I listen the shit out of the unreleased score that just came out. And yeah...some of it feels like it would work outside Spider-Man.
I have a soft-spot for this one, honestly. The soundtrack is stellar, and, as you said, so is the acting. The good character moments are really good. I'm glad they had the guts to (SPOILER) kill Gwen - that death is another milestone for Spider-man. I do get a bit defensive of the movie because I enjoyed the acting so much.
I'll never agree this movie is as remotely terrible as people think. I see an incredibly beautiful movie. It may be bloated, full of cliches, and yeah Electro is ridiculous... but the thematic components manage to make sense of the insanity of the plot. I do agree that more refined character motivations would have made the movie easier to follow, but just because half the characters in the central cast are "just crazy" doesn't take away in my opinion. In fact, Green Gobs and Dock Ock from the first two Raimi movies were a pair of "just crazies". The cynical corporate greed is apparent in this movie, but if you shift mental gears, there's a classic Spider-Man story with a lot of heart in there. You may commense laughing at the absurd notion if you like, as many have before you... or you can heed my words and take a second look. Personally I love this movie and can't quite fathom how people can feel so strongly negative about it. The blood thing is a bit of the midichlorian effect, explaining something that didn't need to be explained, but that's what happens when a nerd gets to make a movie about something he's interested in. Adding a specific, and mind you fictional, requirement for the elevated from the every man status doesn't actually change much... there's just a misinterpreted technical "how" thrown in the mix that most people just aren't interested in as much as people who like technical pseudoscientific story telling. Personally, I didn't see it as a destiny element at all; its more of a father's legacy element... which I think is a great payoff to the Bourne Dad set up in the beginning. Suffice to say this movie is misunderstood. In my humble opinion.
Chris Carbine You just made all my points for me.
Chris Carbine I agree 100% bro.
I agree .
Thank you man, this is what I've been trying to say all along
It's shit
Thanks for bringing some exposure to Armored Penguin. He puts out some quality stuff and it's a shame to see it be so underwatched.
“That’s impossible”
Andrew Garfield is basically the middle child of the live-action Spider-Men, I feel bad for him. Sony really screwed him over and tarnished Marc's vision.
Shame because I enjoyed both TASM Films (though the 2nd One is Heavily Flawed).
OH that edit with all the spideys taking off their masks!!!!!!!! it gave me chills! I really like those fixes so much!!! it's a shame when studios make garbage movies just to sell. reminds me of the dceu a bit.
Thanks, I worked my ass off on that edit! I'm glad you liked it.
I think know how to fix Electro. Max’s dark side would have been better executed if he were depicted as the softspoken nerd who showed more subtle signs of wanting to fight back, like forming a fist or trying to utter a comeback but failing, as opposed to an imaginary assault. When he turns into Electro, he could still be drawn to Times Square purely because of hunger but is not fully transformed. He could just look like an ordinary bald dude whose skin is peeling to reveal a paler layer of skin. Then, as his condition gradually worsens (into what we see in the trailers), he begins to lose self-control and considers satisfying his dark urges. His physical change would mirror a psychological one and does not finish rapidly. Max becomes aware of this and tearfully tells the people at Ravencroft (when he is inevitably detained) that he is afraid of what he is becoming. Knowing that they are more interested in experimenting on him than curing him would make things worse. And, before he finally gives in to the anger and the rage, he wonders what he did to deserve any of this. He could also be more sympathetic if he were depicted as an actual ally to Spider-Man instead of being a deluded and obsessive fanboy. Max could take the initiative to form an actual friendship with him. He could give Spidey a few miniature power cells to test and Peter would eventually incorporate them into prototype spider tracers. He could become Spider-Man’s unofficial tech support and that would add more emotional weight to Max’s transformation because he actually is friends with Spider-Man. Spider-Man also has the choice to investigate what is going on in Ravencroft because he could feel responsible for Electro's incarceration and would show concern for his friend.
And he would live, allowing a redemption arc in TASM 3?
@@theserpent8667 I was thinking of putting his redemption arc at the Sinister Six movie. That way, we can have the original Six from the comics.
@@JohnSmith-lt1ck What about Rhino? Would he have a complete fight with Andrew before TASM 3 or the SS?
@@theserpent8667 I was thinking of giving him a complete fight before the climax of TASM 2. In fact, fights with Rhino (comics, cartoons, video games, etc.) involve serious property damage so it could be used as a reason why Electro managed to break out of Ravencroft. In my version, after he was arrested, Aleksei Sytsevich was hired to test pilot an illegal battle suit. He was expendable. If he died, people could just lie that he died in prison. If he lived, he could be an expendable soldier for Oscorp. Giving Spider-Man a hard time would then get him a spot in the Six.
@@JohnSmith-lt1ck In who's place? Or would there be a sinister 7?
Answering the questions: - Spider-Man 2 because it adapts one of my favorite stories (Spider-man no more), it has a balance between comedy and serious moments (Homecoming went a little too far), it's ageless (Unlike the first one, it doesn't feel dated), and has the best Spider-Man movie scene of all time (The train), it's just the perfect representation of what Spider-Man is as a character, a guy that is like us, he has a life and sometimes he can't afford to be a superhero because it's wrecking his own chances to be happy. Spider-Man 1 and Homecoming are also great, but Spider-Man 2 as a whole is amazing. - I can't. I don't live in the US, and I don't have an international credit card.
It’s my favorite Spider-Man movie. Idk why but it felt like Spider-Man. Yeah it had a shit ton of things that could be taken out or whatever. But the portrayal of Spider-Man in this movie is amazing.
I don't agree at all. The whole time I watched the movie all I could think was "this isn't how Spiderman would handle this." Take Electro, Spiderman fights electro and during the fight realizes he's someone he's met before. He then just beats him up and leaves him to the cops, and then starts making electric proof web? Wtf no. Why work on the web when you left him with the cops? Is that implying he thinks electro will break out? If so why leave the scene without finding out where his powers come from? The Spiderman I know would have investigated what was going on and tried to reason with the guy to find out what happened. In the movie he didn't even act like he cared except for making the new web for no reason? In the comics we all ways hear Peter's thought process, but that section of the movie was a break down in logic and was so un-spiderman like. I couldn't for the life of me figure out his thought process which is a key factor to Spiderman as a character.
MEAD3MAYNE seems like you didn’t watch the movie. He tried to reason with him and take him somewhere safe to talk and because a stupid cop decide to be trigger happy, electro thought Spider-Man betrayed him. Spider-Man tried to continue reasoning with him but Electro just didn’t listen. So you saying Spider-Man didn’t care is false. And idk about you but I hardly see Spider-Man investigate the villains in any of the cartoons or movies and when he did in the cartoons it’s only because they have multiple episodes to spare unlike this one movie
Yvng Vlogers Spiderman literally hosed electro who was obviously very confused and then immediately fucked off to talk to Gwen. It made all the ealrlier scenes look like he was just faking friendship to calm him down and it made Spiderman come off as a huge hypocrite. The contrived actions of the cops don't excuse the stupidity of the scene either.
MEAD3MAYNE um you do know that Spider-Man only did that because electro was shooting ELECTRICITY at innocent people and Spider-Man tried talking him down but again didn’t work. So it was either let Electro kill people or hose him down. So 🤷🏼♂️
Yvng Vlogers and then just leave an electric powered confused man to the cops without a single damn. "what's going on here where did he come from?"
Still a lot better than homecoming
You mean Worse
Can you link your edited version?!
Spider-Man please
I absolutely love The Amazing Spider-Man 2 for what it is. It's one of my favourite movie of all times, and particular scenes still make me cry to this day. Granted, excluding my first viewing in the theaters in 3D, I've only ever watched it while drunk and at least a bit down, but it's more about my connection with the movie rather than a blinded interpretation of it. The music, the characters and the actors portraying them, the relationship between Peter and Gwen, the absolutely mesmerizing web-swinging, the visuals (apart from the suit itself; it's not bad at all, but it's my second-least favourite, just ahead of the suit from Homecoming, and it could have been just a touch tighter for a little less flapping in the wind) all really resonate with me, and there's a special magic surrounding the movie that makes it quite an immersive experience every time I watch it. However, I also despise the movie for not being what it should have been, leading to the subsequent cancelling of the third movie and related spinoffs (I was excited for Venom until the only connection it had to this particular universe was being a Sony production - still an alright flick, though). I loved Electro but with so much content surrounding Harry either cut or not properly realized, this secondary character carries center-stage too much with no real support, and he came across more as a nuisance rather than a threat. I did enjoy the blood aspect for this universe as I was curious to see where the whole Oscorp angle was going, and I liked Electro as a distracting threat until the Goblin is birthed, but it was definitely not a great direction to go. I really enjoyed this video and was enthralled by Armored Penguin's ideas for the story's direction, although I don't understand the whole "teaming up" aspect. Focusing solely on getting the blood would make for great motivation throughout the movie, making the battle not about good versus evil, but about the right thing versus the helpful thing and would make for an amazing line for Peter to follow as he focuses on the paradox of both being Spider-Man and stopping the Goblin from getting his blood, yet being Harry's friend and doing his best to acquire it to cure him. The pressure Harry may put on Gwen as a result of her being an employee of his as well as Peter's ex would also add extra strain onto Peter as he tries to fulfill his promise to Gwen's father under the strain of dealing with his love and desire for Gwen, and also protecting her from her involvement in this rising conflict. Man, that would have been so amazing. I was hoping Homecoming would have been a light in the dark after Sony screwed the pooch, but I'd argue that movie was even worse than this one.
Great video! Hope you keep making more!
This was honestly awesome, I like what you guys do.
Andrew garfield fans: i dont get why andrew is so mean!! Andrew: I WAS JUST BUYING EGGS FOR DINNER HOW CAN I EAT IF I CANT GO HOME
Probably the only video I don't agree with you in. I rewatched amazing Spider-Man 2 and I actually liked it. It has flaws but it's still a movie about people and their feelings and emotions. Specially since I recently watched the MCU Spidey movies again this one is way better in comparison
Thanks for the subtitles! And nice video as always!
HiTop Films your the best, your videos are so entertaining!
So is there an edited version availble for us to watch? Would really want to see it!
everything about this movie was fantastic (the CGI and soundtrack were IMPRESSIVE), except for the plot and the characters, which are the most important parts of a movie...shame
i love your great rants man
You guys earned a sub from me inside the first minute. I just finished binging your videos, looking forward to more! 😁
Add the deleted scenes, take out the opening with his parents Remove rhino from the end Take out the air traffic control stuff at the end. And cut/trim little things here and there. I already made a fan edit of the movie in 2014. There is a link on a video on my channel.
Amazing! Send me the edit? lol
u are amazing and i watch all of ur videos. please keep making more videos like this
you did again maaaann I Love your fixing movies videos, keep it up ❤ also, make one of Man of Steel
this video made me wear a expensive spider-man suit
Spider-men ranked 3. Tom (sorry he's just not the best) 2. Andrew ( he was an okay spider-man, but not peter Parker) 1. Toby (fight me, this is the best spider-man/peter Parker.)
agree
I swear to God dude if my music career keeps going the way it’s going right now I’ll be putting 100 into your patreon every fucking week. Everything you say about Spider Man is everything I feel but didn’t know how to vocalise since I was 11. You say what I think and you know how to write. Whatever you do, I hope to whatever deity works that you get the chance to make something about Spider Man. I would’ve written this on the Spider Man PS4 video but I was watching this and had to say it because holy (so many expletives here to emphasise my emphasis) you make me fall in love with Spider Man with every video. Thank you, Alex. From one true believer to another.
That short bit where you talk about anyone being able to be spider-man, and then visually illustrate that perfectly with the masks, ending with Miles.... I want a clip of just that to show all my friends. That was perfect. I couldn't even get through more than i think 20 minutes of this movie, it let me down as a spider-man fan and a fan of good storytelling so bad. (Homecoming is my favorite spider-man, but TASM 1 was really great when I saw it)
Really awesome changes to goblin. It would definitely make him a compelling villain, but like you said, there is too much wrong with this movie to fix it.
To be honest, the only thing about TASM 2 I liked was the opening shot and the final fight with Electro.
FIJI !
Great video. Really great. Thanks man.
I dont like the ASM2 as much as I did when it first came out but its still a guilty pleasure, and I do like some of the ideas you have for fixing it
I would like to see a full edit of tasm2 from you.
MY FAVOURITE SPIDERMAN FILM IS SPIDERMAN 2 WITH DOC OC. EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT MOVIE JUST CLICKED TOGETHER. FROM PETERS PERSONAL LIFE, TO SPIDEYS TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS, CHARCTER GROWTH, FLOW OF THE MOVIE IN GENERAL, AND OF COURSE....... IT HAD DOC OC IN IT :) AND THAT WAS PLAYED SO WELL, I FEAR FOR WHOEVER DOES THE CHARACTER NEXT. PATREON WISE, I JUST CANNOT DO THAT FOR YOU AT THIS TIME, BUT IN THE FUTURE I MOST CERTAINLY WILL :)
I know that I'm just one person, but this content is absolutely amazing. Thank you for your great work. Keep it up, I am genuinely pleased with this. It has been a while since I've seen an actual, good KZhead video. Thank you.
Same goes to your "Batman does not kill" video. Perfection from a content creator, which I have not seen in a long while.
that was pretty good, i expected a 30 minute video and was ready for it, but still satisfied... this video reminded me of how important the role of the goblin was, i mean just look at the cartoon where the goblin is rightfully the main villain
DON'T FIX WHAT WAS MEANT TO BE BROKEN. JAJAJA. GREAT JOB
Thanks man!
Man keep these videos up !
thank you, I will!
love your vids
I love this movie despite its problems
Don't mind me just making sure I'm not stealing ideas cool cool we good love you Alex
Just watching your videos make me smile, even if it’s a critic review, I still smile
Tbh this film got me SO hyped for the Sinister Six film, even if that added a chunk of unnecessary content to the rest of the movie. I loved the style that came with Foxx and Giamatti's goofy over-the-top performances and Gwen's death gave me goosebumps. I felt like the film did a great job at showing the sacrifices Peter made to keep being Spiderman with his relationship issues with Gwen (Ghost Dennis Leary was a nice touch), the end to his friendship with Harry and his struggle to keep the job up after losing Gwen. I think Rhino and Electro added a "villain of the week" touch to the film that you would see in a comic or cartoon while Harry acted more towards Peter's personal story. If I'd remove anything, it'd be everything about his parents, they could've put him at odds with Harry a number of ways, but I still don't think it was a bad movie. It had some junk in there to set things up, but at least it finished its individual story. Infinity War is the only "part one" I can say I enjoyed, there are definitely greedier films out there. tl;dr It had its flaws but it was a good time and I think it told a pretty good story
You got a like from me just with that first line
Andrew was a great actor, it's disappointing that Sony didn't use his potential
When it came to the Amazing Spiderman series, it honestly became one of my favorites in the idea that Andrew Garfield was able to portray more of a teenager apart from Toby McGuire. At the time of the first movie release, I was 14 years old and this awkward high school hipster looking kid is given incredible powers with the ability to save peoples lives. At the end of the movie when he grieves over the death of Gwen's father and his failed attempt to save him, that moment seemed so perfect to me in the idea that he has an entire city on his shoulders, as just a high school kid, and he can't save everyone all the time. I'm a little on edge about the new Spiderman in the MCU only because it contradicts a lot of things that I grew up knowing about Spiderman. I never read any of the comics, but as far as I knew, Mary Jane was a redhead that was a love interest to Peter Parker (not at all who the new portrayal is), Gwen Stacy was a blonde that was also a love interest, Flash was a big high school jock that used brute force to bully Parker (which is now replaced with a modernized version of a douchey, rich, indian kid), and then lastly, Spiderman doesn't ever seem completely by himself because of his high tech suit and always under the wing of Tony Stark. Sure, he's portrayed a lot more as a teenager, by far, but the responsibility part, to me, feels like... "Well, if Spiderman doesn't fix it, Iron Man and the Avengers probably will," sort of thing. But that's just me. I really like the Amazing Spiderman series.
You’ve earned my sub, your content is hiiiiiiigh quality
You wanna make this movie better, cast another guy to play Harry Osborn
I disagree in some way the amazing Spider-Man films are some of my favorite Spider-Man anything the actor's Andrew and stone are amazing together the thing I don't like the most in the film is Harry's and Peters relationship, Peters Perants and notenuff heart hitting moments, That's it, those are all the problems I have with this movie
Feel the same way!!!
Terrific. Absolutely right in every respect.
“You got them earlier then I did” Jesus I don’t even remember most of this movie and that line you guys made up gave me chills
How i would fix the film: Has Peter, Gwen and Flash graduates high school near at the end of the film. Keep an few delete scenes in here. Not has Harry be the Green Goblin and not gives him cancer. Remove Rhino. Make Electro not a Spider-Man fanboy and develop him a little bit more. Introducing Mary Jane Watson, J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, Betty Brant and Captain Jean DeWolff. Not kill off Gwen.
Is there any place we can find your edit of the film?
Spider Man really doesn’t have a reason to not donate his blood. If Spider Man just revealed his secret identity and gave him some of his blood, he could’ve saved his best friend’s life.
Great video!
I'm more interested in why "Life of the Party" of all films broke you ...
That is a long story and a video for another day...
Any chance I can check your edit of the film?
It's a little dated, and the quality isn''t great, but if you want, sure! Just email me!
I emailed you. But didn't get any response?
HiTop Films Oops Didn't see this. Yeah Imma email you for it. Thanks!
HiTop Films "a little dated and the quality isn't great" Yeah I've seen the film.
@@masoudmansori6469 did they ever respond?
I hope these guys reach 100k soon
The biggest question is: What did the director, Marc Webb, want, from the beginning?