Making a Punch and Die - Logo out of Brass
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When I asked in my recent Parser drill video whether I should make this Punch and die video there were a lot of requests for it. So here it is, hopefully you enjoy it I had a great time making it.
I forgot to do a shoutout in the video for Clickspring where I got the idea of grinding the files, it was a great tip. Also Thanks to Corin for sending me the steel
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Get my 'Hold Strong' Shirt: rlnk.cc/paskmakesholdstrongshirt When I asked in my recent Parser drill video whether I should make this Punch and die video there were a lot of requests for it. So here it is, hopefully you enjoy it I had a great time making it. Also Thanks to Corin for sending me the steel ( instagram.com/corin_at_gameco/ ) and Luke for helping with the heat treat ( instagram.com/make_smith/ ).
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Hey, I work on industrial punches for a living. A few fine points: There should always be a clearance between the punch and die; soft stuff like brass and aluminium wants about 5% of material thickness, 10% for mild steel, and maybe more for hard stuff like stainless up to about 20%. Also, you only need 1 mm of penetration into the die, as the material snaps off before then. Another point, is that the force required to break through is totally dependent on the perimeter of the cut, not the surface area, so to minimize the force required for the cut, you can grind an angle on the cutting face, so the whole thing isn't brought to bear at once. Keep up the good work, that was another in a long series of great videos.
Wow great information! Thanks for this.
Excellent info. Do you need a relief angle on the punch (as in, not have the sides of the punch parallel with the direction that the punch moves) or is it ok for the punch to have parallel sides?
That's really awesome info Jeff, thanks for that. I did know about the clearance and did plan to mention it but forgot. I didn't feel I had the ability to work to those sort of tolerances with files and knew there would be some sort of clearance as I wouldn't be able to get the fit super precise. The force required is interesting. I wasn't super confident it'd work but I'm very happy with the results. :)
@@benash2954 yeah, you don’t need a draft angle like a mold, straight sides work great. The cut itself is a totally 2 dimensional thing. All the work takes place right at the intersection between punch & die
@@jeffpillasch5877 Thanks!
Paint the faces of your file guide with layout fluid or permanent marker ink. It buys you a few file kisses that you can easily see before hitting the carbide
grate idea
FILE KISSES
aww
Your patience with a file is remarkable. Excellent work sir!
LOL You've never seen Chris from Clickspring, have you? Btw I agree with you. Neil makes really fantastic pieces of art!
good tools help a lot
Truer words have not be spoken
Making a Punch and Die _by hand_ to punch out sheet metal is very impressive. You have to be very precise to get proper looking results and your punched out pieces look amazing!
Thanks very much! :)
It was actually really cool to see this process. I work in a metal stamping factory and run various presses, but I've never seen how a die is made. I also tend to work team presses, they hit at anywhere from 250 to 600 ton. They can go higher but all the parts I've made on the big presses usually fall into that range
You, sir, are an artist with a hand file. Kudos and hats off, gentlemen, a master at work!
Amazing project again Neil! The patience and skill in these projects is very respectable. I also really enjoy that you have taken up metal work as well, just another way to express your creativity, keep it up! 👌🏻
Loving the variety of entertainment you are giving us Nice project looks awesome looking forward to seeing what you’re going to do next
Very impressive display of precision! That parser bit is incredible
Wow Neil, I already had severe workshop envy. It's now been compounded along with a feeling of technical inadequacy! I love your channel and your wonderful talents.
Pretty neat, you never cease to amaze Neil
They add a real touch of class to your projects. Great idea and implementation. Cheers!
Amazing project! Thanks so much for sharing.
Excited to see you got the mill up and running. Looking forward to seeing some wood & metal chips getting cut on it. 👍👍 You could also use the punch to stamp you logo into a project too.
Nice project, reminds me of my apprenticeship as a tool and die maker in the 1970's. During the apprenticeship we also had to make those tools by hand using files. The first 6 months was really filing only (more or less) before we learned machining. Your tool looks well done and it does the job nicely. Btw if you would have hardened the punch before you could have used the punch and you press to precisely make the die. It also look to me that you made the gap between the punch and die just right. Although the exact measures of your logo inlay are really not important. The gap is dependent on the thickness of your sheet metal and the shear strength of the material you punch,
Where about to write the exact same thing 😀, I was one of the last in Denmark that learned to make dies with a file when I was an apprentice.
You never cease to amaze my friend. Well done! 👏👏👏👏
Great companion to the amazing Parser drill!
It's really interesting to watch how the punch & die are made; it's a process I've never seen before. Along with the Parser drill, it's a cool way to make your logo cutouts. Whether it's a project for something you need, or something that just seems like it'd be cool to try, your projects never fail to be great.
Fantastic work, Neil! Nicely done!!! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Of course it turns up after you've started! Your filing was excellent, incredible patience 👍
Real satisfying when that first one pops off w the lil red rubber stripper thing. Well done, as always 😁
The stripper really did work fantastic! :)
Always enjoyable to observe as you walk through your projects. Great result!
Thanks June - glad you enjoyed it! :)
Awesome. Another (potential) idea would be to make the punch a teeny bit smaller than the die, and use black (or other color) CA or epoxy to give it a little outline pop.
Wow. This is really amazing work. Really professional and the quality is impeccable. Well done.
I too enjoy a bit of filing it's soothing and calms my nerves didn't know other people enjoyed it, thought I was weird lol. Loved the outcome. Great work
Nicely done Sir! Learned a few things too. Now I'll need to figure out what memory's I lost to make room for the "D2" info PLUS all the rest I've seen and heard for the first time!
Congratulations - these last two videos are exceptionally creative and very functional.
Glad you enjoyed them Greg! :)
Super cool!!! That's a fun signature to leave behind
Dude - Absolutely great vid. Elegant and functional. Than you.
Very nice Jop Pask!! I love this project. Simply genius!
Yes, yes I enjoyed that very much! Nicely done!
Yes dude I sure liked that little excercise you undertook, pleasing to watch the end result and your satisfaction. Thanks for sharing.
Wow! Thumb in the eye of all those cnc videos! Pask you're always awesome.
Thanks - I have nothing against CNC's though and maybe something I'll look at in the future. I don't think a CNC would get a lot of use in my workshop but would be handy for certain projects. :)
That’s awesome. Can’t wait for these as a maker mark 👍
Wonderful and ingenious as always.
subtle way to add authenticity
On your file guide you should counter sink your bolt heads and use some button head Allen screws that will sit below the surface. That will allow you to get it in the vice all the way.
Very nice job. Turned out very well there. Hopefully you get great use out of it my friend. Keep making. God bless.
You have admirable skills and fabrication tools. And your friend down the road too!
Wow! Don't even imagine that it was possible to make punch and die with file! But I guess this is how it was done before milling machine, CNC or wire cutting . Great job, as usual Thanks for sharing
Love it. I am reasonably knowledgeable about woodworking, and can figure out most ww projects. But you are teaching me about metalworking, and I could see myself doing some of this. Thanks so much.
one of the reasons I like Pask so much is he does not peg himself into any particular mold. He is a maker in the true sense of the word,
Thanks Angelino, that's great to hear! :)
Man, you're such a genius! What a great video - again!
One of my favourite videos this year!!!
👍 respect for the craftsmanship my friend!
Best way to add a logo Ive seen! Nice work
Great work. I enjoy watching these
Yet another great video, thanks. My only gripe is - You make it all look so easy! keep them coming, Stay Blessed.
Super cool as always! I love how you always make all the accompanying stuff for all your big projects, like the Parser drill in this case.
Neat project, it was fun to watch!
Really cool process!
This is beyond my setup now, but I always learn useful information from your videos... thanks for sharing this great set of tools
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
This was a great video Good tool, and fantastic results
That’s some great work mate, it came up awesome. 😀
Fantastic as always, very effective!
Great Die work, and great Patience Filing!! Couple of things: If you were to drill a Hole for a Pin to locate the top Cutting Die -- it would save a Future loosening of the screw holding it , getting skewed, and possibly ruining the cutter edge. Also , I would have drilled and counter sunk some socket head cap screws for the base die, again Pinning it in place with at least 1/8" Pins, again to make it rigid, and to save all that welding and side screwing action. If you are determined to use that process, slightly angling the screws in a downward angle would cure that Lifting problem. Subscribed!
You're far beyond a DIY Maker..... a plastic artist in my opinion. Watch yours encourage me on starting my own. Long live your channel.
Really nice work there. Human water jet 😃
I assume someone else has already commented this but I didn’t see it, d2 is called d2 because it is a deep hardening alloy meaning instead of a skin layer of material hardening when it’s quenched, it hardens much deeper due to the chromium content and carbon content and its added thermal conductivity. This is why its so great for large items like dies due to the fact that it can reach max hardness throughout the material with an air quench which is a much less aggressive quenching process. It’s formulated to harden even when a large piece with tons of thermal innertia has to be heat treated throughout the part. Dies large gears, stamping dies and drill bits and large shear blades and stuff are the most common applications. Its an engineering marvel of a material.
Nice work. That looks great.
hi, I'm am ex Toolmaker and when I was in my trade we used to use Copper Sulphate for marking out, it can be bought on the net as in crystal form and mixed with distilled water, it actually makes up a light blue liquid and when applied turns a copper colour (it is recommended to mix the crystals with battery acid, but this is hard to get hold of) and the water mix is safer anyway. You simply need to clean the face to be marked out with emery cloth and then not touch it with your fingers again until after the copper sulphate has dried. Your scribe marks will stay clear until you you have finished your filing and machining.
Turned out great!
That's great ! And Luke has all the works. 👍
As always excellent work. Also love Your photos they are amazing, very professional. Wish I had access to some of the machinery you use, even just for a couple of days. Ever thought about making some basic tools and selling on your website. Things like brass setup blocks, set squares. Then stick your own logo on them.
Watching a craftsman build is rather calming.
Looks great!! Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
GREAT STUFF!! keep em coming
This is a grand project!
Thank you! :)
jaw dropping fantastic
Damn now that’s dedication the way you filed them by hand
That was a very cool series of videos.
Very cool project and logo making!
Great video, as always.
so clean!
D2 is the AISI classification, and the equivalent UNS classification is T20812. High Chromium grade tool steel. Source: My trusty and timeless Machinery's Handbook (31st Edition)! Very good for tool and die work! Awesome video, subscribed!
This echos the first thing I thought. "High carbon" is faint praise for D2!
That has come out great.
super cool! I learned a ton. thanks!
Very smart and simple!
Brilliant!
Absolutely fantastic way of made logos. Very nice congratulations 👍🇲🇫
Brilliant, Neil!
Very clever. Nice work!
Awesome project. Love it
That's really neat!
Well done Pask.
beautiful video, thank you
That's a meticulous way to heat treat D2. Full marks, buddy 👍🏽
Make wooden bookmarks with your logo in them!
I've already made them and stamped my logo into them with a touch mark. :)
@@PaskMakes we'll take 4 😆
What a legend
lol @ the boingy sounds. Great video as usual, thanks!
That's a really elegant way to have your makers mark.
Fantastic. Information I will certainly be using in the future. Cheers J
Glad it was helpful Joshua! :)
That rubber collar was a genius touch! I was thinking it'd be in a jigsaw style. Like a fixed "fork plate"
I stole that idea from Jim Steele and gave it to Pask.
Nice work, thanks.
Nice make, and a cool marker! I have never seen a marker like that. I searched and found that it's an "Empire long tip black marker" available only in Austrailia!! You have a lot of patience with a file my friend! Rock on!
Wow, I was looking for that marker too, thanks
Nothing compared with you! You are at another level!
8:16 is soooo satisfying. If you add a tiny bit of relief to the sides of the punch and the back of the die, the bits will pop out more easily , and you'll get a better edge finish fwiw.
Outstanding video! Well done. I believe the “D” in D2 Steel has to do with the composition. While it’s true it’s often used in die making, the D indicates that it’s a “Chromium Based” High Carbon Steel. Keep up the great work!
Its high carbon too. If you look k110 you should be able to find a data sheet. I personally much prefer k455 but different strokes for different folks!
amazing work
I do not understand anyone giving a thumbs down on this, also why 94 plus thousand views and only 6 thousand thumbs up. People do not appreciate craftsmanship and art anymore. This is what the world has became.