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If you ever feel useless remember that shedinja gets final gambit!
@LoMaLouis23 күн бұрын
Final Gambit Shedninja to break sashes is meta bro trust me
@kingambitreal23 күн бұрын
min speed shedinja final gambit followed by scarf blissy copycat
@cat850623 күн бұрын
@@cat8506Congradulations, you've sacrificed two pokemon to defeat one!
@MacZephyrZ23 күн бұрын
That is extremely funny
@PinkPuffyPastry23 күн бұрын
Attract cryogonal:
@parwes54023 күн бұрын
why have specified powders (sleep powder, poison powder and so on) when you can have literally-just-some-powder!
@Foolish_Spoon23 күн бұрын
just throwing a handful of unspecified powder at someone is kinda funny lmfao
@ElectricWindGirlFriend23 күн бұрын
Go go gadget Asbestos
@averageidiot664523 күн бұрын
@@ElectricWindGirlFriendjust scoop some dust off of the ground and throw it into their face
@Foolish_Spoon23 күн бұрын
(gun)powder
@lorekeeper68523 күн бұрын
Powder isn't a very good move, but it is fucking hilarious.
@demi-femme482123 күн бұрын
POWDER IS SO FUNNY. I used it against the Gen6 Elite Four Fire Lady and I would just use Powder every round since she used Fire attacks on my highly flammable Vivillon every single round, haha. Shit was so goofy
@zwiebeldogs23 күн бұрын
Fire types when i throw some powder at their face🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
@kingambitreal23 күн бұрын
Wow, these are some unorthodox moves in Pokemon
@certifiedcoomclassic23 күн бұрын
they sure are
@ElectricWindGirlFriend23 күн бұрын
Posting this and then taking my last final of the year in 30 minutes lol. Also Lock On is still in the game while Mind Reader is not.
@ElectricWindGirlFriend23 күн бұрын
Good luck!! ❤
@rayandthejets23 күн бұрын
good luck o7
@goldensupmanz23 күн бұрын
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!
@Cochu23 күн бұрын
Good luck!!
@ElenaPog23 күн бұрын
How'd it go?
@yorickvlt102123 күн бұрын
Also: mind reader Articuno with sheer cold
@tdfhjd23 күн бұрын
i did give it a mention thankfully
@ElectricWindGirlFriend23 күн бұрын
Wait ‘till you hear about poliwrath with mind reader and fissure
@myriad356923 күн бұрын
@@myriad3569 politoed erasure
@thatgenericgamer791923 күн бұрын
And Generation II Smeargle can have a lot of fun with this, too! *Spore* *Lock-On* *Guillotine* / *Horn Drill* *Fissure* / *Agility*
@PlusmaGun22 күн бұрын
Fun fact! Powder is sometimes used in Pure Hackmons with Bug/Steel types with Wonder Guard! It renders literally every way to hit it obsolete when Fire Type Moves don’t work on it, great times
@goreangel125823 күн бұрын
wait yeah the only way to beat that is outspeeding or replacing the ability
@lucasgreer173623 күн бұрын
@@lucasgreer1736 powder is a priority move and there arent any fire priority moves so... literally just replacing the ability (or using mold breaker)
I mentioned this elsewhere but the Pledge moves would become viable if they worked like Tera Blasts and used the higher of SPATK or ATK. Right now only the SPATK starters can make great use of it. The effects individually are actually pretty strong.
@solstardragon23 күн бұрын
Yep. I kinda feel like they're purposely sitting on it though, after seeing what happened with the Tapu and terrains
@Bird-wz7nx23 күн бұрын
Rillaboom + Incineroar lead immediately sets the field on fire turn 1
@asierx704711 күн бұрын
Ik about powder because someone made a team for gen6 pure hackmons that had a scizor with powder. “The vantablack hourglass” was the name of the team I think
@percsie307223 күн бұрын
I’ll check that out!
@ElectricWindGirlFriend23 күн бұрын
I'm playing a gen 6 romhack wich has the first gym leader use it. It made it pretty hard for me
@manelneedsaname177323 күн бұрын
@@manelneedsaname1773what's the name of the hack?
@amberhide0423 күн бұрын
The “playground rumor” that we had for Gen 5 was that there was some sort of super effect that activated when you used all 3 Pledge moves at once in a Triple battle
@selfloathinggameing23 күн бұрын
there is not?
@sebastianchavez122523 күн бұрын
@@sebastianchavez1225 no :( Whichever 2 go first get the special effect, and the third is just an 80 base power generic move of it's type
@portwise2323 күн бұрын
@@portwise23 (resending my message because it's not loading that it sent on my end, so if there's two replies that say basically the same thing, that's why) The weird thing is, at least based on what I heard, the Pledge moves were intended as a nod to Pokemon Trainer's Final Smash in Brawl (which is why they only could be learned by starters). So you would *think* they'd want to do a direct Triple Finish thing.
@Rot8erConeX23 күн бұрын
@@Rot8erConeX It would've been cool if there was a triple finish type of effect, where it would simply become a typeless 200 base power multi-target move, however that might've been a bit much for game balance, and as-is, in gens 5 and 6, the slowest pledge move is separate from the other two
@portwise2323 күн бұрын
Why did this unlock a core memory for me 😂😂
@fable147914 күн бұрын
I'm a big fan of copycat , like being able to make a mon use any move is pretty cool, to bad it doesn't have any real use (except copycat shell smash flamigo hyperoffense). Powder sounds so cool, why have i never heard of it before wth.
@CBSnB2R23 күн бұрын
In SwSh VGC it had some use on Liepard of all things, prankster+copycat=immediately undoing the trick room your opponent set last turn.
@Kazzzack23 күн бұрын
@@Kazzzack ok that sounds amazing
@CBSnB2R23 күн бұрын
Gen 5 Riolu Prankster Copycat Roar would like to know your location
@xjennyintime23 күн бұрын
Im surprised Z-copy cat was so less whelming compared to Z-mirror move. I miss Z-Moves, ngl. But if Megas are coming back, hopefully we'll get a rebalanced new Z move era one day.
@Bird-wz7nx23 күн бұрын
My favorite move is Soak. It sets up so many fuck you strategies including turning synchronoise into a stupidly good move. It also makes EVERYTHING weak to freeze dry that wasnt already weak to it.
@SSNNPBCC23 күн бұрын
about the mind reader thing in gen 4, moves affected by it going through protect wasn't exclusive to it, it happened to any move that normally has regular accuracy checks, that become boosted to bypass said checks, such as thunder in rain, blizzard in hail, or, in general, no guard, the only exception being OHKO moves, since their accuracy checks work very differently. this was only in diamond and pearl and was fixed in platinum, but picture this: machamp's dynamic punch having a 50% chance to hit through protect. LOL
@Iris_Descent23 күн бұрын
that is my new favorite pokemon glitch
@ElectricWindGirlFriend23 күн бұрын
They should honestly implement this feature as a ability, and call it "Unseen Fist" or somethin
@kingambitreal23 күн бұрын
Who up playing with their rototiller
@Andy-sv6fj23 күн бұрын
god I wish pledges had more distribution but the precedence is just starter mons
@june991423 күн бұрын
We at least need the moves to take advantage of the rainbow effect. I guess Rock Slide Blaziken and dark pulse greninja are an option
@Bird-wz7nx23 күн бұрын
Dont forget that silvally can learn only grass pledge because of a programming error LMAO, classic GF
@givemeyourgarbage798023 күн бұрын
And Silvally.
@GeorgeDCowley22 күн бұрын
Magnetic Flux being a spread Cosmic Power but only for Plus/Minus users sounds unorthodox enough for a next video
@edgargaebolg930723 күн бұрын
love how i read the title before clicking on the video, and the only move i could think of was powder. What an underappreciated move lol
@xLaniakea_23 күн бұрын
One thing to note with the pledges is that the second one would go immediately after the first one, so you can get a quicker attack off. I remember this being comparatively relevant on a gen 8 sun team with Chlorophyll Venusaur and Solar Power Charizard.
@PersonOfRandomnesss23 күн бұрын
Powder is so cool it made electricwindgf chuckle mid delivery, truly the the move of all time
@MochachiiinoWorks23 күн бұрын
Final gamba is funny
@tdfhjd23 күн бұрын
Weird moves are fun to learn about, but often not fun to use. Like sure, Lock On sounds great, but you could have just attacked twice with a 100% accurate move and gotten better results, especially since your lock on is nullified if they switch out. It is funny to use it with OHKO moves against AI though. If Powder did considerably more damage or had another effect (like burning or paralyzing the opponent), I could see it getting used a lot. But 25% damage is not quite enough. I'd love to see a 2nd video!
@danielhale123 күн бұрын
Yeahhh, it's one of those things where maybe if abilities didn't exist it'd be useful... but flash fire and redirection exists, so nah. Though it's certainly a much funnier strategy
@sylvrwolflol22 күн бұрын
The weak will say: "But why use Powder when you can just use Protect???" The strong will reply: "haha powder go boom boom"
@sleepytown620923 күн бұрын
I saw the title and was so excited cause i knew someone would finally talk about powder
@kennystyles969022 күн бұрын
Hey EWGF, you should totally do a presentation about Kommo-o. It can technically run Throat Spray Clangorous Soul for super powerful Boombursts, Sub Salac Belly Drum for a super strong setup, Dragon Dance to be a threat that doesn’t nerf its own health, and Iron Defense Body press to, albeit, a lesser extent
@byzantine576122 күн бұрын
I hope you put Gravity in the next/another video. No one has heard of it, but its effects are so unique and varied you can build a whole team around it.
@isoldemaisol370923 күн бұрын
Ahh yes, Lando-I's terrain
@kingambitreal23 күн бұрын
Pokeaimmd is one of the only people crazy enough to use powder competitively.
@jcnot971223 күн бұрын
Powder would've been phenomenal if it took 50% of the user's HP. It would've been phenomenal counter play from Bug types.
@energyzer_bunny191323 күн бұрын
i don’t even play VGC but find myself watching your presentations so much 💀 that being said keep it up tho
@eXi10123 күн бұрын
I want to live in a reality where funny fire fish got hard countered by some bugs with gunpowder
@Rarest2623 күн бұрын
I absolutely loved Powder. It's such a cool concept and you feel like a galaxy-brained mega genius if it works.
@matthewpelletier690023 күн бұрын
I’m so happy about your opinion about powder
@nentrellemmer212223 күн бұрын
I used Powder in a Pokémon Fan game myself. Pokémon Taiseiyo or something long time ago. I remember being on the backfoot in a fight and only having my Bug /Flying type of the region left. However due to some glitch and the most flippin' anime type stuff the when I used Powder predicting a Fire type move from my opponent's Fire type starter it blew up in his face shown a glitch message I could only press ok, blew up in his face again, and again, and again in 1 turn making it a straight OHKO from 1 Powder. Note this Bug /Flying mon also had an Ability that made it immune to Rock type moves, so if you ran the literaly broken Powder move, it would technically have 2 immunities as the risk of using a Fire type move is just too high.
@marilynlucero936323 күн бұрын
OK, am I the only person who knows about Powder? Every KZheadr brings it up as one of the most forgotten moves, but I don’t forget about it. Idk maybe I’m just biased cuz Vivillon is my fav bug.
@theemeraldblaze482723 күн бұрын
Powder would probably see more experimentation if more mons than just vivillion got it, imagine if Amoongus and Jumpluff got it
@oakin644123 күн бұрын
Give scizor the move and also priority on it because why not
@kingambitreal23 күн бұрын
Whimsicott with Prankster Powder sounds chaotic
@edgargaebolg930723 күн бұрын
@@edgargaebolg9307 Powder already has +1 priority, so its not completely necessary
@oakin644123 күн бұрын
@@oakin6441 I might be stupid
@edgargaebolg930723 күн бұрын
Gratz on passing all ur classes ❤❤
@kusiwastaken23 күн бұрын
Is a presentation about "moves where there's an objectively better version" something you've done yet? Sounds like a fun video idea
@Gold_Gamer_10023 күн бұрын
You'd have to specify more what makes a move an "objectively better version". Like, are you comparing Thunder Shock with Thunderbolt or Slam with Body Slam?
@edgargaebolg930723 күн бұрын
@@edgargaebolg9307 There's also Jump Kick and High Jump Kick.
@GeorgeDCowley23 күн бұрын
@@GeorgeDCowley Yeah see this is what I meant. Are you just comparing similar moves based on their power, or are you considering accuracy or secondary effects too? If it's the first you're going to waste time with obvious examples like Ember being worse than Flamethrower or Jump Kick and High Jump Kick. If it's the second you can show more curious stuff, like Lunge hitting as hard as X-Scissor but with an attack drop
@edgargaebolg930723 күн бұрын
@@edgargaebolg9307 There's also PP to consider.
@GeorgeDCowley22 күн бұрын
I had no idea the pledges had secondary effects! That's so cool!
@Breezeezee23 күн бұрын
I came 8th in a locals with powder Vivillon. Blaziken and Volcarona we're common at the time, so it helped net me a few wins.
@CuppaGi23 күн бұрын
Of course I wanna see a video. I always want you to make more videos.
@Zwijger23 күн бұрын
I had some success with Powder in STABmons. Defensive Scizor in that format before dexit was one of my favorite sets. Defend order, heal order, powder, and either bug bite or bullet punch
@mikec439023 күн бұрын
Using powder reminds me of a meme I saw somewere about a guy riding his bike with a gas tank straped on his back an a sign that read "we can both lose". F@cking gold man
@yompigebhart728223 күн бұрын
2:43 I agree I love powder so much and I wish it was good enough to make pokemon like vivillion a threat
@arachne917711 күн бұрын
I'd love to see something Powder-like that targets other types. Maybe some sort of wire exposing move that causes the opponent to blow up if they use an Electric move?
@Rot8erConeX23 күн бұрын
Vivillon: _Go ahead, shoot._
@rugino361422 күн бұрын
i tried to make a mono bug team and i was so sad when i saw that powder was removed cuz it genuinely would've been a huge help especially to enable scizor
@MelodyLumina23 күн бұрын
I love Powder. If it had wider distribution and maybe also had an effect where opponent getting hit by your teammate's fire move on the same turn would also set the powder off, it'd see use.
@TheLaXandro23 күн бұрын
I loved snatch. Sad to see it go, such a great concept.
@sawyerjenson776723 күн бұрын
Honestly they should bring powder back. Incredibly well designed and balanced, imagine how helpful it would have been during chi yu era SV OU on a Pokémon like lokix
@flargensnarf650023 күн бұрын
omg the pledges totally surprised me the first time i saw them too
@qsxsqsxs23 күн бұрын
obligatory reborn plug (the pledge moves can summon terrains)
@elrichardo133723 күн бұрын
powder is a funny inclusion that i only know about because I've been nuzlocking pokemon run and bun an emerald hack with gen 8 mechanics where vivillon has powder and its unironically one of the best things about the mon
@davey52923 күн бұрын
Imagine a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to Fire, but having an ability that spreads powder onto the opponent upon being damaged, maybe a Grass/Steel type to make its primary weakness really risky to use against it
@DIINOWHORE11 күн бұрын
These videos are perfect for my adhd
@ariaborealis9 күн бұрын
powder sounds awesome. I hope that move gets buffed or becomes meta-relevant some day
@cantreed621413 күн бұрын
Would love Powder for more types, it might be really annoying it sounds so cool to use
@PinkPuffyPastry23 күн бұрын
Finally some justice and recognition for Powder
@Elizabeth-by7gz23 күн бұрын
It would be funny if they made a powder for every type
@tinypokemon665523 күн бұрын
I remember seeing Powder for the first time on the freaking Pixelmon Minecraft Mod. It could actually be so nice if it had wider distribution. Imagine if Shedinja could negate one of its weaknesses like that
@joaquinduverne625923 күн бұрын
I actually ran powder vivillion in battle tower and casual matches in X and Y. Easy to abuse NPCs with and even caught players off guard most of the time. Pretty easy to follow up with KO on most fire types after the 25% life loss
@ronburgendy17922 күн бұрын
Okay, I love Powder and therefore I have two buffs for it: 1- Increase it's damage from a set 25% to 120 Special Bug damage. 2- Make it occur whenever a Pokémon on the field uses a Fire type move, resulting a Flinch on the Powdered 'mon if it moves after the Fire type attack. If the Powdered 'mon is the one that used the Fire type move, it works as normal, cancelling the attack.
@PoisonFlower76512 күн бұрын
Snatch was a fun one, if you don’t already have it in your list for part two 👀
@kandyeggs23 күн бұрын
Can I just say this attitude towards Powder is my favourite way to think about pokémon moves in general. I love moves that are unique and interesting, and if they're so impractical as to be totally competitively unviable, that doesn't ruin it for me. If anything it just makes it more fun to try to use it, despite it being literally a terrible idea. It's the only charm of some moves like metronome, which is never (never?) a good move to use competitively but is a really fun concept and can be really satisfying when dumb stuff happens when you use it. I love using it in playthroughs just for fun. I'm always in favour of pokémon making new funky moves like this, I don't care if they work or not it's just fun :)
@CanTabOfWisdom23 күн бұрын
If you do a follow up, I always thought tar shot was neat, or even perish song. Even though myself and a friend thought we knew how it worked, we kept failing to make a good set up for it haha Other move suggestions would be wake up slap and Smelling salts or even sparkling aria... moves that cure the possible enemy's status... why would we want to do that?
@numbcube672923 күн бұрын
Wake-up Slap and Smelling Salts benefit from more power at the expense of removing the status, and Sparkling Aria can remove burns from Guts users. I guess they can also be an alternate healing in doubles if you use them on a statused ally that'd receive little damage from those attacks
@edgargaebolg930723 күн бұрын
Coalossal has a signitre move called tar shot witch is pretty weird. Lowers speed and doubles damage from fire moves. I don't think I've ever seen anybody except me use it tho.
@dancingllama239223 күн бұрын
These PowerPoint slides are hilarious
@mastatheif99099 күн бұрын
I remember messing around with final gambit scarf accelgor for a bit. Overkill but it was funny at the time.
@ShadowStarz7722 күн бұрын
I'd love to hear you talk about how broken the Partner Eevee/Pikachu moves are from LGPE. Moves like Zippy Zap, Glitzy Glow, Baddy Bad, and Sappy Seed would be competely broken if they were in a mainline game
@FrumpyGoldsmith23 күн бұрын
Powder is an amazing move for early gym leaders to have. It shows up in blaze black 2 redux and it's the best fucking thing to get knee capped by.
@hiwrenhere21 күн бұрын
I think Pledge Moves should be added to every UB,Legendary or Mythical who are either Fire,Water, or Grass types(Ogrepon gets all three). And it should work on the what ever the highest offensive stat is.
@Nosretep23 күн бұрын
I would like a follow up if only because i'm curious if there's any more moves i have no idea about existing like Powder.
@volbla23 күн бұрын
powder is probably the funniest way to counter specs torkoal eruption
@omlett648223 күн бұрын
When DLC 2 dropped I actually used a Water Pledge Empoleon and Grass Pledge Rillaboom set to... shocking success. Quartering your entire enemy's speed is great, especially if you're able to get a knock out with the original attack
@unbannablebanjo374423 күн бұрын
Dang I might've been the low ELO warrior who knocked you out lmao
@unbannablebanjo374423 күн бұрын
I feel like Gastro acid and purify fit the criteria for this list as well. I don’t know if Gastro acid is still in the game, as it got completely outclassed by weezing
@joshmickelson387223 күн бұрын
yes i would like to see a follow up
@kokokocho23 күн бұрын
I did my daily and also HOLY SHIT POWDER IS SUCH A COOL MOVE
@FarhanH122 күн бұрын
I think powder actually has had usage in vgc in the past, against stuff like mega charizard Y
@remyxie135322 күн бұрын
I've actually encountered someone in gen 9 Ranked that was using the pledge moves
@shylar76310 күн бұрын
POWDER MENTION. In Pokemon Run and Bun (A super hard romhack), Vivillion gets powder and it counters so many torkoals by just spamming it, super cool move
@gcg368523 күн бұрын
At least 1 more video...plz do more 😢
@tube200323 күн бұрын
Snatch is another funny move. You literally rob your opponents support moves (think tailwind etc). Incineroar would use it occasionally in gen 7 before it got dexited
@psych053623 күн бұрын
I remember stacking up on fire weak mons in gen 7 vgc and powdered zard-Ys and gave myself free turns
@skullgrunt45723 күн бұрын
Powder is the exclusive move of gen6 pure hackmons mega scizor, who punishes v-creates like no other fire weak mon does
@SakhotGamer23 күн бұрын
this video reminds me of my issue with dexit: i don't actually care a whole lot about it for the Pokemon, considering the fact that a lot of them wouldn't have been used competitively anyways. it DOES suck for casual stuff, of course, but like. that conversation's over and done at this point the real thing that sucks is you can't make unorthodox strategies with moves people have to look up in Bulbapedia anymore--most of those wacky moves are just gone!
@dingochungis681423 күн бұрын
Powder would be sick as a secondary effect on a good move I think
@itzhamison159123 күн бұрын
mega scizor used to use powder in balanced and pure hackmons probably no the usage you where looking for but hey its funny
@evilbrunocoolgamers23 күн бұрын
I had a singles battle with a friend once where i used powder with vivillon and he had a choice band talonflame, for some reason i still don't know to this day why he made his talonflame use flare blitz instead of a flying move with priority to beat up my vivillon, these were our last pokemon too so he completely fucked up and i kept powdering the talonflame until winning
@hecatia66623 күн бұрын
I was not prepared for "Powder."
@bdellovibrioo524223 күн бұрын
what about moves like Soak that change the opposing Pokemon's type? or Conversion and Conversion2?
@dvillines2621 күн бұрын
I wish powder worked on more types like maybe electric as well, just the ultimate parry
@Fresh_Knight23 күн бұрын
I won a battle on showdown with a strange clutch, my team was getting swept but then i used attract with exploud and just reverse swept.
@mew870323 күн бұрын
My favorite signature move powder, on my favorite form mon vivvilon
@MrMcreethan23 күн бұрын
I kept falling prey to Annihilape Final Gambit recently so the technique is still definitely alive and well.
@PrinceSilvermane23 күн бұрын
2:14 make it so the masterpiece is no guard and the cheap copy is mind reader xD (Context: no guard: all attacks never miss, mind reader: next attack on target will not miss)
@awesomeapollo516923 күн бұрын
Yo if powder was on a good mon in VGC it would go kinda crazy, like it would totally null Chi Yu because it couldn't use fire type moves out of fear of getting powdered
@RRRR-jr1gp21 күн бұрын
"I predict you will use Stealth Rock" omg Articuno is so mystical
@werh22723 күн бұрын
I miss snatch so so much, my preferred move aganist buff up monkeys and mat throw in triples
@skyethemin492215 күн бұрын
I'd like to see another video
@DavidWalker-hw6co22 күн бұрын
Tar shot has a similar or the exact same effect as powder I think, I know there’s definitely one more that does.
@Yethegoat1023 күн бұрын
Nope, Tar Shot just slaps a ×2 weakness to Fire on you. It's completely different to having your own attacks blow in your face
@edgargaebolg930722 күн бұрын
@@edgargaebolg9307 oh yea huh, I try to remember very little of sword
@Yethegoat1022 күн бұрын
damn bro if used correctly that powder move could just straight up remove a fire weakness lmao
If you ever feel useless remember that shedinja gets final gambit!
Final Gambit Shedninja to break sashes is meta bro trust me
min speed shedinja final gambit followed by scarf blissy copycat
@@cat8506Congradulations, you've sacrificed two pokemon to defeat one!
That is extremely funny
Attract cryogonal:
why have specified powders (sleep powder, poison powder and so on) when you can have literally-just-some-powder!
just throwing a handful of unspecified powder at someone is kinda funny lmfao
Go go gadget Asbestos
@@ElectricWindGirlFriendjust scoop some dust off of the ground and throw it into their face
(gun)powder
Powder isn't a very good move, but it is fucking hilarious.
POWDER IS SO FUNNY. I used it against the Gen6 Elite Four Fire Lady and I would just use Powder every round since she used Fire attacks on my highly flammable Vivillon every single round, haha. Shit was so goofy
Fire types when i throw some powder at their face🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Wow, these are some unorthodox moves in Pokemon
they sure are
Posting this and then taking my last final of the year in 30 minutes lol. Also Lock On is still in the game while Mind Reader is not.
Good luck!! ❤
good luck o7
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!
Good luck!!
How'd it go?
Also: mind reader Articuno with sheer cold
i did give it a mention thankfully
Wait ‘till you hear about poliwrath with mind reader and fissure
@@myriad3569 politoed erasure
And Generation II Smeargle can have a lot of fun with this, too! *Spore* *Lock-On* *Guillotine* / *Horn Drill* *Fissure* / *Agility*
Fun fact! Powder is sometimes used in Pure Hackmons with Bug/Steel types with Wonder Guard! It renders literally every way to hit it obsolete when Fire Type Moves don’t work on it, great times
wait yeah the only way to beat that is outspeeding or replacing the ability
@@lucasgreer1736 powder is a priority move and there arent any fire priority moves so... literally just replacing the ability (or using mold breaker)
@@disasterarea9341 Ability Shield: *[Evil Laughter]*
I mentioned this elsewhere but the Pledge moves would become viable if they worked like Tera Blasts and used the higher of SPATK or ATK. Right now only the SPATK starters can make great use of it. The effects individually are actually pretty strong.
Yep. I kinda feel like they're purposely sitting on it though, after seeing what happened with the Tapu and terrains
Rillaboom + Incineroar lead immediately sets the field on fire turn 1
Ik about powder because someone made a team for gen6 pure hackmons that had a scizor with powder. “The vantablack hourglass” was the name of the team I think
I’ll check that out!
I'm playing a gen 6 romhack wich has the first gym leader use it. It made it pretty hard for me
@@manelneedsaname1773what's the name of the hack?
The “playground rumor” that we had for Gen 5 was that there was some sort of super effect that activated when you used all 3 Pledge moves at once in a Triple battle
there is not?
@@sebastianchavez1225 no :( Whichever 2 go first get the special effect, and the third is just an 80 base power generic move of it's type
@@portwise23 (resending my message because it's not loading that it sent on my end, so if there's two replies that say basically the same thing, that's why) The weird thing is, at least based on what I heard, the Pledge moves were intended as a nod to Pokemon Trainer's Final Smash in Brawl (which is why they only could be learned by starters). So you would *think* they'd want to do a direct Triple Finish thing.
@@Rot8erConeX It would've been cool if there was a triple finish type of effect, where it would simply become a typeless 200 base power multi-target move, however that might've been a bit much for game balance, and as-is, in gens 5 and 6, the slowest pledge move is separate from the other two
Why did this unlock a core memory for me 😂😂
I'm a big fan of copycat , like being able to make a mon use any move is pretty cool, to bad it doesn't have any real use (except copycat shell smash flamigo hyperoffense). Powder sounds so cool, why have i never heard of it before wth.
In SwSh VGC it had some use on Liepard of all things, prankster+copycat=immediately undoing the trick room your opponent set last turn.
@@Kazzzack ok that sounds amazing
Gen 5 Riolu Prankster Copycat Roar would like to know your location
Im surprised Z-copy cat was so less whelming compared to Z-mirror move. I miss Z-Moves, ngl. But if Megas are coming back, hopefully we'll get a rebalanced new Z move era one day.
My favorite move is Soak. It sets up so many fuck you strategies including turning synchronoise into a stupidly good move. It also makes EVERYTHING weak to freeze dry that wasnt already weak to it.
about the mind reader thing in gen 4, moves affected by it going through protect wasn't exclusive to it, it happened to any move that normally has regular accuracy checks, that become boosted to bypass said checks, such as thunder in rain, blizzard in hail, or, in general, no guard, the only exception being OHKO moves, since their accuracy checks work very differently. this was only in diamond and pearl and was fixed in platinum, but picture this: machamp's dynamic punch having a 50% chance to hit through protect. LOL
that is my new favorite pokemon glitch
They should honestly implement this feature as a ability, and call it "Unseen Fist" or somethin
Who up playing with their rototiller
god I wish pledges had more distribution but the precedence is just starter mons
We at least need the moves to take advantage of the rainbow effect. I guess Rock Slide Blaziken and dark pulse greninja are an option
Dont forget that silvally can learn only grass pledge because of a programming error LMAO, classic GF
And Silvally.
Magnetic Flux being a spread Cosmic Power but only for Plus/Minus users sounds unorthodox enough for a next video
love how i read the title before clicking on the video, and the only move i could think of was powder. What an underappreciated move lol
One thing to note with the pledges is that the second one would go immediately after the first one, so you can get a quicker attack off. I remember this being comparatively relevant on a gen 8 sun team with Chlorophyll Venusaur and Solar Power Charizard.
Powder is so cool it made electricwindgf chuckle mid delivery, truly the the move of all time
Final gamba is funny
Weird moves are fun to learn about, but often not fun to use. Like sure, Lock On sounds great, but you could have just attacked twice with a 100% accurate move and gotten better results, especially since your lock on is nullified if they switch out. It is funny to use it with OHKO moves against AI though. If Powder did considerably more damage or had another effect (like burning or paralyzing the opponent), I could see it getting used a lot. But 25% damage is not quite enough. I'd love to see a 2nd video!
Yeahhh, it's one of those things where maybe if abilities didn't exist it'd be useful... but flash fire and redirection exists, so nah. Though it's certainly a much funnier strategy
The weak will say: "But why use Powder when you can just use Protect???" The strong will reply: "haha powder go boom boom"
I saw the title and was so excited cause i knew someone would finally talk about powder
Hey EWGF, you should totally do a presentation about Kommo-o. It can technically run Throat Spray Clangorous Soul for super powerful Boombursts, Sub Salac Belly Drum for a super strong setup, Dragon Dance to be a threat that doesn’t nerf its own health, and Iron Defense Body press to, albeit, a lesser extent
I hope you put Gravity in the next/another video. No one has heard of it, but its effects are so unique and varied you can build a whole team around it.
Ahh yes, Lando-I's terrain
Pokeaimmd is one of the only people crazy enough to use powder competitively.
Powder would've been phenomenal if it took 50% of the user's HP. It would've been phenomenal counter play from Bug types.
i don’t even play VGC but find myself watching your presentations so much 💀 that being said keep it up tho
I want to live in a reality where funny fire fish got hard countered by some bugs with gunpowder
I absolutely loved Powder. It's such a cool concept and you feel like a galaxy-brained mega genius if it works.
I’m so happy about your opinion about powder
I used Powder in a Pokémon Fan game myself. Pokémon Taiseiyo or something long time ago. I remember being on the backfoot in a fight and only having my Bug /Flying type of the region left. However due to some glitch and the most flippin' anime type stuff the when I used Powder predicting a Fire type move from my opponent's Fire type starter it blew up in his face shown a glitch message I could only press ok, blew up in his face again, and again, and again in 1 turn making it a straight OHKO from 1 Powder. Note this Bug /Flying mon also had an Ability that made it immune to Rock type moves, so if you ran the literaly broken Powder move, it would technically have 2 immunities as the risk of using a Fire type move is just too high.
OK, am I the only person who knows about Powder? Every KZheadr brings it up as one of the most forgotten moves, but I don’t forget about it. Idk maybe I’m just biased cuz Vivillon is my fav bug.
Powder would probably see more experimentation if more mons than just vivillion got it, imagine if Amoongus and Jumpluff got it
Give scizor the move and also priority on it because why not
Whimsicott with Prankster Powder sounds chaotic
@@edgargaebolg9307 Powder already has +1 priority, so its not completely necessary
@@oakin6441 I might be stupid
Gratz on passing all ur classes ❤❤
Is a presentation about "moves where there's an objectively better version" something you've done yet? Sounds like a fun video idea
You'd have to specify more what makes a move an "objectively better version". Like, are you comparing Thunder Shock with Thunderbolt or Slam with Body Slam?
@@edgargaebolg9307 There's also Jump Kick and High Jump Kick.
@@GeorgeDCowley Yeah see this is what I meant. Are you just comparing similar moves based on their power, or are you considering accuracy or secondary effects too? If it's the first you're going to waste time with obvious examples like Ember being worse than Flamethrower or Jump Kick and High Jump Kick. If it's the second you can show more curious stuff, like Lunge hitting as hard as X-Scissor but with an attack drop
@@edgargaebolg9307 There's also PP to consider.
I had no idea the pledges had secondary effects! That's so cool!
I came 8th in a locals with powder Vivillon. Blaziken and Volcarona we're common at the time, so it helped net me a few wins.
Of course I wanna see a video. I always want you to make more videos.
I had some success with Powder in STABmons. Defensive Scizor in that format before dexit was one of my favorite sets. Defend order, heal order, powder, and either bug bite or bullet punch
Using powder reminds me of a meme I saw somewere about a guy riding his bike with a gas tank straped on his back an a sign that read "we can both lose". F@cking gold man
2:43 I agree I love powder so much and I wish it was good enough to make pokemon like vivillion a threat
I'd love to see something Powder-like that targets other types. Maybe some sort of wire exposing move that causes the opponent to blow up if they use an Electric move?
Vivillon: _Go ahead, shoot._
i tried to make a mono bug team and i was so sad when i saw that powder was removed cuz it genuinely would've been a huge help especially to enable scizor
I love Powder. If it had wider distribution and maybe also had an effect where opponent getting hit by your teammate's fire move on the same turn would also set the powder off, it'd see use.
I loved snatch. Sad to see it go, such a great concept.
Honestly they should bring powder back. Incredibly well designed and balanced, imagine how helpful it would have been during chi yu era SV OU on a Pokémon like lokix
omg the pledges totally surprised me the first time i saw them too
obligatory reborn plug (the pledge moves can summon terrains)
powder is a funny inclusion that i only know about because I've been nuzlocking pokemon run and bun an emerald hack with gen 8 mechanics where vivillon has powder and its unironically one of the best things about the mon
Imagine a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to Fire, but having an ability that spreads powder onto the opponent upon being damaged, maybe a Grass/Steel type to make its primary weakness really risky to use against it
These videos are perfect for my adhd
powder sounds awesome. I hope that move gets buffed or becomes meta-relevant some day
Would love Powder for more types, it might be really annoying it sounds so cool to use
Finally some justice and recognition for Powder
It would be funny if they made a powder for every type
I remember seeing Powder for the first time on the freaking Pixelmon Minecraft Mod. It could actually be so nice if it had wider distribution. Imagine if Shedinja could negate one of its weaknesses like that
I actually ran powder vivillion in battle tower and casual matches in X and Y. Easy to abuse NPCs with and even caught players off guard most of the time. Pretty easy to follow up with KO on most fire types after the 25% life loss
Okay, I love Powder and therefore I have two buffs for it: 1- Increase it's damage from a set 25% to 120 Special Bug damage. 2- Make it occur whenever a Pokémon on the field uses a Fire type move, resulting a Flinch on the Powdered 'mon if it moves after the Fire type attack. If the Powdered 'mon is the one that used the Fire type move, it works as normal, cancelling the attack.
Snatch was a fun one, if you don’t already have it in your list for part two 👀
Can I just say this attitude towards Powder is my favourite way to think about pokémon moves in general. I love moves that are unique and interesting, and if they're so impractical as to be totally competitively unviable, that doesn't ruin it for me. If anything it just makes it more fun to try to use it, despite it being literally a terrible idea. It's the only charm of some moves like metronome, which is never (never?) a good move to use competitively but is a really fun concept and can be really satisfying when dumb stuff happens when you use it. I love using it in playthroughs just for fun. I'm always in favour of pokémon making new funky moves like this, I don't care if they work or not it's just fun :)
If you do a follow up, I always thought tar shot was neat, or even perish song. Even though myself and a friend thought we knew how it worked, we kept failing to make a good set up for it haha Other move suggestions would be wake up slap and Smelling salts or even sparkling aria... moves that cure the possible enemy's status... why would we want to do that?
Wake-up Slap and Smelling Salts benefit from more power at the expense of removing the status, and Sparkling Aria can remove burns from Guts users. I guess they can also be an alternate healing in doubles if you use them on a statused ally that'd receive little damage from those attacks
Coalossal has a signitre move called tar shot witch is pretty weird. Lowers speed and doubles damage from fire moves. I don't think I've ever seen anybody except me use it tho.
These PowerPoint slides are hilarious
I remember messing around with final gambit scarf accelgor for a bit. Overkill but it was funny at the time.
I'd love to hear you talk about how broken the Partner Eevee/Pikachu moves are from LGPE. Moves like Zippy Zap, Glitzy Glow, Baddy Bad, and Sappy Seed would be competely broken if they were in a mainline game
Powder is an amazing move for early gym leaders to have. It shows up in blaze black 2 redux and it's the best fucking thing to get knee capped by.
I think Pledge Moves should be added to every UB,Legendary or Mythical who are either Fire,Water, or Grass types(Ogrepon gets all three). And it should work on the what ever the highest offensive stat is.
I would like a follow up if only because i'm curious if there's any more moves i have no idea about existing like Powder.
powder is probably the funniest way to counter specs torkoal eruption
When DLC 2 dropped I actually used a Water Pledge Empoleon and Grass Pledge Rillaboom set to... shocking success. Quartering your entire enemy's speed is great, especially if you're able to get a knock out with the original attack
Dang I might've been the low ELO warrior who knocked you out lmao
I feel like Gastro acid and purify fit the criteria for this list as well. I don’t know if Gastro acid is still in the game, as it got completely outclassed by weezing
yes i would like to see a follow up
I did my daily and also HOLY SHIT POWDER IS SUCH A COOL MOVE
I think powder actually has had usage in vgc in the past, against stuff like mega charizard Y
I've actually encountered someone in gen 9 Ranked that was using the pledge moves
POWDER MENTION. In Pokemon Run and Bun (A super hard romhack), Vivillion gets powder and it counters so many torkoals by just spamming it, super cool move
At least 1 more video...plz do more 😢
Snatch is another funny move. You literally rob your opponents support moves (think tailwind etc). Incineroar would use it occasionally in gen 7 before it got dexited
I remember stacking up on fire weak mons in gen 7 vgc and powdered zard-Ys and gave myself free turns
Powder is the exclusive move of gen6 pure hackmons mega scizor, who punishes v-creates like no other fire weak mon does
this video reminds me of my issue with dexit: i don't actually care a whole lot about it for the Pokemon, considering the fact that a lot of them wouldn't have been used competitively anyways. it DOES suck for casual stuff, of course, but like. that conversation's over and done at this point the real thing that sucks is you can't make unorthodox strategies with moves people have to look up in Bulbapedia anymore--most of those wacky moves are just gone!
Powder would be sick as a secondary effect on a good move I think
mega scizor used to use powder in balanced and pure hackmons probably no the usage you where looking for but hey its funny
I had a singles battle with a friend once where i used powder with vivillon and he had a choice band talonflame, for some reason i still don't know to this day why he made his talonflame use flare blitz instead of a flying move with priority to beat up my vivillon, these were our last pokemon too so he completely fucked up and i kept powdering the talonflame until winning
I was not prepared for "Powder."
what about moves like Soak that change the opposing Pokemon's type? or Conversion and Conversion2?
I wish powder worked on more types like maybe electric as well, just the ultimate parry
I won a battle on showdown with a strange clutch, my team was getting swept but then i used attract with exploud and just reverse swept.
My favorite signature move powder, on my favorite form mon vivvilon
I kept falling prey to Annihilape Final Gambit recently so the technique is still definitely alive and well.
2:14 make it so the masterpiece is no guard and the cheap copy is mind reader xD (Context: no guard: all attacks never miss, mind reader: next attack on target will not miss)
Yo if powder was on a good mon in VGC it would go kinda crazy, like it would totally null Chi Yu because it couldn't use fire type moves out of fear of getting powdered
"I predict you will use Stealth Rock" omg Articuno is so mystical
I miss snatch so so much, my preferred move aganist buff up monkeys and mat throw in triples
I'd like to see another video
Tar shot has a similar or the exact same effect as powder I think, I know there’s definitely one more that does.
Nope, Tar Shot just slaps a ×2 weakness to Fire on you. It's completely different to having your own attacks blow in your face
@@edgargaebolg9307 oh yea huh, I try to remember very little of sword
damn bro if used correctly that powder move could just straight up remove a fire weakness lmao