Losing Brady & Gronk was one of the biggest disasters out of NE - Nick | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST
With the Tampa Bay Buccaneers starting off the season with a successful 2-0 record, Nick Wright looks back at the events that led up to both Tom Brady and Robert Gronkowski leaving the New England Patriots and wonders if their former coach Bill Belichick regrets letting them go. Greg Jennings joins to share his thoughts, but Kevin Wildes makes the case that Belichick isn't as culpable as people make him out to be.
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Nick is right. Brady did want out, but only because of Bill. This was on bill.
Bill made it such that Brady had no other option. Bill kept taking more and more weapons away to force his hand. Why? Ego.
It's bigger than that Brady just wanted a little recognition seem to be able to have a little input in team members
@@seanlanglois8620 I mean yes that's included as well, but this is all in line.
@@chrishewitt5826 people forget BB got Brady Gordon and AB but off the field issues took them away. BB tried with those two, draft busts and Gronk aside.
Instead of drafting weapons for Brady,, This Big EGO Bill drafted Jimmy Garoppolo to replace brady,.. thats why its all bill fault why brady left... and now a year later Brady won his 7th superbowl ring without bill and currently on the mvp race and has 9TD on his last 2 games this season..
As a long time New England Patriots over 20 years I've never been more ashamed and more disappointed in that organization for letting Brady walk out of that door after 20 years I feel like Bill belichick's ego couldn't allowing him to say hey good job tom hey Tom what pieces do you think we should get in the draft. To treat him like Johnny foxborough was messed up he was the Patriot Way
I agree that Brady was treated very badly by Belichick. I'd always been a Brady hater, but what happened to him in NE followed by what he accomplished in Tampa Bay, finally turned me around. With his performance last year including a spectacular SB win, Brady has proven he doesn't need Belichick to be successful. Now let's see if Belichick can be successful with Mac Jones. My prediction for what it's worth is that Belichick and Jones are will get back to the playoffs, if not this year, then in years to come. But they will NEVER even sniff a SB appearance in the remainder of Belichick's career. Belichick will retire after a few more years and the thing people will remember is that he forced Brady and Gronk out of NE and then he never made it back to the SB again. It may not have been the mega blunder that Nick is claiming, but it's proving to have been a bad move by Belichick in retrospect. Brady is clearly the difference maker, not Belichick, and everyone knows that already.
Bill Belichick with Brady definitely turned into Jerry Krause with Jordan
We, bucsnation thank you. No player is bigger than the organization or the Patriots way yeah? Well in Tampa we appreciate players not look at them as generic/replaceable parts. I agree with you 100%. Go Bucs
@@tempe1d Love the Tommy and Gronky. Then you got the film room break down with Ronde Barber. They hook up their retired veterans with some nice jobs. Been following Brady and the Patriots since the beginning. It's amazing how much freedom and input Brady has in making this Bucs team. There's only one player that could have turned the 7-9 Bucs team into a SB Championship team and might even repeat this year.
@@tempe1d I think out of all the NFL teams the Tampa Bay bucs were one of the only Madden esk plug-in good quarterback play type of teams. You guys were stacked you just needed somebody to manage the game and also make you believe. Think I'm more of a Brady fan than anything eles. Follow his career since Michigan. Brady's going to come into New England which is his house put his feet up stay awhile drink the beers run up to score then leave.
Pats fan here - Nick is 100% right. Until he wins a SB without Brady, I don’t see how you can dispute the fact he lost the divorce.
Learn football you media loving novice
How many of those rings does brady have without a lot of stuff going right with the rest of the team? Remember those defenses that bailed him out in many games? Or how about those special teams? Hightower ring a bell against Atlanta? Butler ring a bell against Seattle and that is just two of the superbowls im not even talking about regular season games that everyone loves to forget Get out of here with your biased bs media lover
Gave him a team like the Bucs with an average QB, he'd also win a SB. Bucs are the most loaded team in the league. Kudos for Brady recognizing that, but it's not like he carried them. If Brady wins with this team, it'll be far more impressive than what Brady did with the Bucs.
@@youtuber_00786 No other QB steps in last year and wins a superbowl with the 7-9 Bucs. Time to take your meds, loser.
@@bucstime1270 dude just be quiet bandwagon fan
The fact that Nick said this and then reminded people that he was also wrong is great
hes really good. got a lot of potential for the future
@@thomasjames145 agreed. he’s become my favorite analyst over the past couple of years.
Its what I like about Nick. He's a keep that same energy kind of guy even if that means he has to drag himself over the coals
Bill won't regret it, but he will be WRONG.
Maybe the organization will
I don't often agree with Nick, but this is a great take.
You most be Bucs fan or brady fan.... Cause I don't see how brady staying with the Patriots would have make the team better, the Patriots don't have the talent that the bucs have, that's why brady is winning and the Patriots needed to rebuild to compete on the future like they are doing. It works for both sides.
First of all, if you didn’t think Brady was a categorical upgrade over cam Newton and Mac Jones, I have some ocean front property in Idaho to sell you, but you’re missing the point… As a die hard pats fan, Brady earned whatever he wanted. For all I care, I would have been happy to see BB sign 52 guys to the league minimum, and give Brady the entirety of the remaining salary cap; he earned it, and if you don’t think so, you were watching a different team than the rest of us for the last 20 years.
@@thegiftofgab1020 Good thing you are not the GM. Lol... That's how teams like the Giants can't compete for a long time. BB did what was best for Brady (got one more ring) and the Patriots.
Bill didn't turn Pats around. They were 5-11 with a pro-bowl QB. Enter Tom Brady and the team wasn't the same. The Patriot Way is a myth. It's all Tom.
Absolutely right, when I mentioned that BB when 5-11 with Bledsoe I had someone respond to me telling me that Bledsoe was trash. I couldn't believe it, while Bledsoe was no legendary QB, he most certainly wasn't trash and well above average at the position.
@@nerofl89 Along with Kosar and a host of other high-level QBs, he was only trash while he was playing for Belichick. All of Belichick's QBs had their worst seasons while they were playing for him. Except for Cassel.
@@bjknobel Cassel benefited from TB on the sideline, at every practice, giving pointers, and his game film notes. Just look at what happened with Cam, no Brady on the sideline helping and having only BB on the sideline, oh boy. I mean he definitely wasn't 100%, but BB didn't do him any favors either.
@@nerofl89 You just made me realize why Garoppolo did as well as he did with Belichick. Brady probably saved G's career by getting him shipped off to SF. Imagine if Kraft had sided w/ BB and BB had shipped TB off maybe to NY Jets back in 2017. This year will clarify a lot of things.
@@bjknobel Honestly, would have been funny to see the Jets wind the division.
This is nicks best take ever! When he’s not arrogant and hating he actually makes a lot of sense..
Last year proved all his narratives were wrong. People would think he's just hating or just stupid for doubling down.
Agreed, he's a good listen when he speaks analyst, it's when he goes tv personality that throws everything off.
Agreed.
agreed.
Maybe the problem was NE was listening to Nick all these years about him being washed up.... LOL
Speaking form my pats fan perspective, nick is absolutely right on this one. And even if Belichick was okay with Brady coming back, he wasn’t willing to actually surround Brady with a real team.
The quality of the roster was going down indeed . I'm a casual and even i could see that
I just ponder the thought of a goat who consistently taking considerable pay cuts. Directly or indirectly... Belichick made Brady leave
Because he wanted him to lose not for nothing but the rosters got worse an worse thats how u kno bb was trying to push him out
Belichick the GM had always used assets and draft picks on his defense. Brady had to work with undrafted FAs, late picks, and other scraps. The only time he had a well named receiver was with Moss. They broke all kinds of records that year. With a year and Chemistry he has with the Bucs, he will break all kinds of records again. They won the SB a year earlier than expected. Their offense this year is on another level. Their defends might not some work or time to get better.
I'm really surprised Pats fans aren't blindly denying this. Maybe I'm thinking of Jets or Bills fans......
"We are used to Nick being wrong" - Chris Broussard I'm dead 💀
I love that they included that before the video cut off 😂
That was hilarious ending, cut!
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Finally a nick wright take i can agree with
Wow, interesting. Because it's a horrible take.
Yea the weapon point is a big one ..the fact that they have 3 #1 receivers is a big deal..how was bill going to get him that
@@ernestonungaray365 if the patriots gave brady just 1 #1 receiver and kept gronk i think he would have been more inclined to stay in New England
But you still watch the show everyday. So who’s losing.? Lol
@@Michael-eu4pf got to do something to pass the time at work
Can’t believe I’m witnessing Nick speak so highly of Brady Now I’ve seen it all lol 😆 and he made sense shocked
Nick's hatred of Brady is only eclipsed by his hatred of Belichick and the Patriots for what they've been doing to his Chiefs 😂
Lesser of 2 weevils
I would argue that Belichick made many small bad decisions that ultimately led him to make the big terrible decision... he was TERRIBLE at trying to bring receiving weapons to the team. He whiffed on so many WR draft picks and free agent signings that it ultimately left the team depleted at the position. This made it appear that Brady was losing it, but that was misleading because the offense was going backwards as a whole.
Couldn’t have said it better but let me say this. Letting amendola go and not give him a little pay rise would have strained it even more. Amendola was so clutch for Brady and then losing him for… sanu? Yeah belichick is a horrible GM
Facts you can’t win with Edelman Amendola Hogan and them other dudes for so long he needed big time talent didn’t get it so he wanted to leave
Why did Bill trade Chandler Jones and Jamie Collin? Imagine Hightower being a MLB,Chandler Jones and Jamie outside LB,Butler,Gilmore CB,Mccourty and Chung Safeties,these Defense would be 🔥🔥🔥
@@KINGXSAMOANright?! I scratched my head with trading Chandler Jones, dude is going to the HoF. His hubris got in the way with benching Butler in SB 52, pushing Brady/Gronk out, having Patria be a f***ing OC coordinator
the fact he drafted sony michel over nick chubb still baffles me. everyone knew chubb was the better back in college and sony had two bad knees before he even go to the nfl. unreal.
Tried to trade Gronk, cut AB, so Brady left. Bill cost himself at least 1 more SB.
I'm not sure they had enough to win with all of them. Skill positions were extremely thin at least since 2018
Don’t forget the benching of Malcolm Butler during the Philly Super Bowl. That’s prob another one that he gave away.
Definitely shot himself in the foot. I wouldn't be surprised if he's into sadomasochism.
@@tclass99 i was at that game. never been so depressed watching that secondary burn to the ground as they threw away bradys 500 yard performance. will never forgive bill for that, ever
Absolutely.
Tom didn't put his house up for sale until after he went to Robert kraft about Bill's decision to not pay Brady for two more seasons
The Pats did not have the $$ to meet Tom's demands. Tom met with Kraft , and Kraft met with Brady for PR only. Both sides knew what would happen. Study the cap and you will see the Pats did not have the cap space in 2020 regardless of the posturing. It is not Bills fault.
@@SteveGee1986 Logic is lost on a lot of these guys. No one is taking the salary cap into consideration. They went to 13 AFCCG in 18 years, winning 9 of them. As a Patriot fan since the 60s I think the Patriot fans should declare a holiday for the day Belichick resigned as head coach of the Jets and signed with the Patriots. He made them champions. Anyone who roots against the Patriots, even against Tom Brady, doesn't deserve the title of Patriot fan. Must be the younger fans who are spoiled and have a sense of entitlement. Older fans appreciate what we got when we got Belichick.
@@SteveGee1986 Its funny how you can say the patriots have max cap when you dont have any probowl caliber weapons,,, Mahomes has 7 Probowl caliber teammates so i understand they are at max cap... And when brady leaves the patriots then suddenly Bill has a $200 million dollars spending spree this off season the 1st time in his career...
@@gameseker4112 He only has like 4 pro bowl caliber teammates that aren't special teamers (Kelce, Hill, Chris Jones, and Tyranny Mathieu). The Chiefs' roster is very average to below average removing their Top 5 players (And assuming every team loses their Top 5 players as well)
@@SteveGee1986 They had the money and then some, the money wasn't the issue after all the years of Brady taking less money,...and in one season all of sudden Bill as the general manager spends over $130 million in free agency. Brady has always been in the middle of the pack or below paid QB's in the league making $25 million or lower. I know about the cap, bill just didn't want him anymore on the team.
Swear people be missing the point like brady didn’t need all star recievers he needed above average recievers like if you watch the Patriots there was never any separation multiple dropped passes and if Tom wasn’t carrying them they would of had multiple losing seasons
For 15 years Bill got away with being able to run the defense and not having to worry about the offense like some other coaches who aren’t offensive coaches, that was only possible because he had Tom Brady
All ik is Brady blowing out the Pats and it’s going to be hilarious lol
Something doesn’t feel right when I’m 100% agreeing with Nick.
The end is near bro
Bill was jealous and envious of TB! Though he won't admit it! Now it exposed himself as just another coach in the NFL!
Well to be fair to Belichick he is most certainly not just another coach, he is a below average Head Coach. He's only been to the playoffs once at the beginning of his career and never went back until Brady and hasn't without him (including the year Brady was injured), and he also has a losing record once you take the Brady years out as well.
I respect that nick can admit when he's wrong
I can't wait for the Patriots "Last Dance" documentary.
Love nicks rebuttal to the “Tom put his house on the market” narrative. 😂 Wilde’s had nothing
Bill forced the owner to chose him over Brady. He called around to see if there was any H.C positions available. To the Patriots organization, Brady was at the end of his career while Belichick still has at least 10 more years in him. The Patriots and Bill forced Brady out of the door.
Sounds reasonable
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No team wanted GM and coach at the same time. No one wants BB that’s why he stayed until he developed his son’s coaching gig.
Poor Wilds hasn't yet gone through all stages of depression yet
Facts
He thinks Brady doing well in Tampa is NE, the southern version.
@@Kruppt808 it is the exact opposite. Patriots is loyal to country. Pirates is loyal to oneself.
"We're used to Nick being wrong." LOL.
People hate on Nick so much but he uttered 3 words that you’ll never hear from hacks like Skip and Rob Parker… I WAS WRONG. Props to him.
Nick is soooooooo right. Like... Come on...
You forgot to say ‘for once’
Wilde’s is wrong on this one, Belicheck is not the reason the Patriots went from a laughing stock to a powerhouse Franchise, it’s clearly been Brady because everywhere he’s went his teams have won, Belicheck hasn’t won anything without Brady. Only time will tell but I think at this point it’s 75% Brady and 25% Belicheck 🤷🏽♂️.
The most it can ever return to is 50/50 and I don’t think Belichick can even get back there. Tom has already proven that to him, Belichick was a commodity not a necessity. Unless Mac becomes an all world QB and they win a Super Bowl in the next 3-4 years(which with Mahomes running around, won’t happen) the majority of the credit will forever lie with Brady
Everywhere Brady went? Dude has played one season without Bill, you talking like he LeBron.
@@xcwilliams7980 don’t ever compare the great Tom Brady to lebron. Lebron never won a title with bottom of the barrel talent around him. Lebron bounced around the league and recruited top league talent 3 times and only won 4 of 10. Brady with sub par talent went 6 of 9 then went to another team and won another his FIRST YEAR THERE.
@@xcwilliams7980brady did the same for Michigan. And Lebron can't carry Brady's jock strap as far as career acompolishments.
Brady would have stayed if Kraft and Belichick wanted him. When it was made clear they wouldn't meet his requests and actually tell him they want him, he left. It's that easy.
This is not on Kraft. Brady said as much. Those two still have a great relationship. Bill is the one that wanted him out and knew that Kraft wouldn’t let him go (he tried it once) so he drained the team to force Brady out and it worked.
Gronk had had enough in NE. The problem was and still is Bill's ego! That every NE fan protects Bill is great...He is not going anywhere and this is a reliable recipe for lasting pain and anguish for the future...Happy days for the rest of the League!
Absolutely. Bill ego and narsassitic personality destroyed. Bill is winning nothing without Brady and Gronk. Bill will be the average coach and great defensive mind post Gronk and Brady. Poor decision to let them go.
Nick is on point here. Belichik never won anything in 5 years with the Browns, and with Bledsoe in his first year with the Patriots. He only won with Tom Brady. Brady won without him the first year he left the Pats. Belichik threw away his GOLDEN GOOSE!
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Week 4 is gonna be incredible. Brady making his return at Foxboro as a defending champion vs Mac Jones!
You know Mac Jones is also a defending champion. Well technically not defending because his championship was college but still it will be champion against champion.
@@williambevins As a Pats fan, do you know how stupid it sounds to compare a college bowl game to 7 super bowls?
@@brokenage1952 I've been a Patriots fan since the 60s so don't think you know more about them than I do. Where in my statement did I compare a college bowl game to seven Super Bowls. All I said Mac was also a champion after winning it last year. That's it. Don't read any more into to it than a statement of fact. Now that being said, Tom Brady is the GOAT and he is a beyond just being a mere champion and of course, Super Bowls count more than college. I'm just pointing out that they both won championships last year. You know, not everything is a critique of Brady so lighten up.
Chris really made this show at least twice as good. It’s still not what it was with CC but it’s a different show now and it’s good again
Yes Chris was good. He also checked Nick😂
CC was awful. He made the show dry and boring, he would get aggressive toward nick for no reason, he was condensending, and seemed baffled about the fact that the show was a back and forth show. He would say something and seemed absolutely shocked someone would have a different opinion Debate shows were not right for CC, he's old and not good at back and forth debates Marshall was a complete disaster
@@antoniocaballero3976 yea you right. They way he would talk down to Nick and Jenna threw me off.
Right on with the first half-way off with the second half, CC was not great
@@pistolpete6691 It was uncomfortable
Bill is close to the greatest coach ever, HUGELY tainted legacy because of how awful a GM he is
Look at Bill's record as a coach with Brady and without Brady. It's two drastically different coaches.. He's great.. But. He gets more credit than he deserves
His records is bad without Brady
Brady is the best coach ever not bill 😅
I will never understand how or why Bill Belichick decided to push Brady away. Just doesn't make sense. You had an absolute winning recipe! Something teams can only dream of. If Bill did this for the wrong reason, it absolutely backfired. He's eating crow now. If anything it only made Brady's legacy far greater and more defined.
Yes Bill laid a big Egg on letting Brady leave New England. Then Kraft doesn't step in to stop it ? Thank you down here in Tampa Bay. 🏈🏈🏈
I finally can agree with Nick this time
Here's another bad choice Texans get David Johnson Cards get one of the best wrs to ever do it! Hopkins 🔥
Only thing Nick is wrong about is, gronk didnt make the only big play in SB against Rams, Edelman was carving up that whole defense 😂😂. 10 for 140 and MVP
Belichick had benched/released premier players throughout his tenure in New England. Brady bailed out the team because of it throughout his time with NE. Players that stayed in NE loved Tom Brady and gave all they had for him...not BB. The average player or below average became special and played in a way while in NE that you didn't see when they were traded to another team. You do not see this magic in NE since the exodus of TB12, and in my opinion, your won't for the foreseeable future.
Butler in the Super Bowl, trading chandler jones, trading Jamie Collins and so on...
Finally Nick got one right, it was TB12 all along...
Nick Wrong is actually Nick Wright for once.
Brady wanted out because BB wouldn't give him the respect of a 2 year contract and he wouldn't give the premier players to work with! The Bucs offered Brady the contract and premier players he wanted to give him a good chance for another ring! Gronk retired because he knew his body needed the rest and his buddy Brady was going to leave, plus the fact that Belichick had tried to trade him to Detroit! If Brady stayed, he would have come back to the Patriots...
Thank God for the BUCS!! IMAGINE IF BRADY WAS THERE 10 YEARS AGO
its really a 3v1 and nick still comes out being right lmao
Its good that Brady left because he was able to prove that he can win without Bill and without some of the questionable things that Bill was to do rumored to do (based on Peyton)
Nick should have his own show he's fricken hilarious🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
For all intents and purposes this is his show, Wildes , Jenna support him, CB is there to go back and forth.
Bellicheck made the worst qb decision ever by letting Brady leave and the funny part is Brady goes to the team that was known for making the worst qb decision ever by letting doug williams and Steve young go and like them Brady wins a superbowl with his new team
Bill pushed Brady out the door, and Gronk
Nick Wrong was definitely Nick Right on this one 💪🏾👏🏽
Nick is %100 Right. Bill knows it too, that's why he went full 180 in his free agency approach this off season.
20 years of dominance, as a fan I can't complain.
22 was right there
i can. i was at super bowl 52 watching nick foles tear that secondary apart because bill wanted to keep his best corner out of the game. ill never forget or forgive that mistake by bill.
Wildes is dead wrong. As a pats fan Brady and gronk were pushed out. Bills whole mentality is “trade them a year earlier than you think you should” he literally tired to get rid of gronk and Brady. Wilde’s needs to let that bias go.
Wilde’s…. Belichick came in and had a losing record his first year and was 0-2 to start the second season. Until Brady got in. Your points are beyond invalid
He’s a pats fan so according to him bill Belichick created football
As a Patriot fan,i dont hate Brady leaving NE, i appreciate what he have done in NE,i hate the fact Bill didnt sign any elite WR in a free agent in 20 yrs,Moss was old when we got him
Bill Belichicks hard headed nature didn’t allow him to make exceptions for Tom Brady. That’s a mistake any way you look at it, Belichick was an assistant coach with potential but prior to Tom Brady his “system” did not work.
At least Nick is man enough to admit his errors on Brady and accept the truth unlike Wiles
Bill is worried about his legacy. He never spent any money when Tom was there. This season he spent all kinds of money. The Pats aren’t going anywhere. I’m from New England and when Tom goes back in a couple of weeks I hope he drops 50 on the Pats. Bill was wrong.
exactly what im saying. we're gonna be terrible this year, mediocre at best while tom is on his way to another sb appearance and maybe a win, too. im rooting for him though, hope he wins his eighth ring
If bill keeps tom. Tom play till hes 45 which is 3 more years and the pats would be in the EXACT same spot they are in now. He missed out on Tom's continued success for bad reasoning
Tom is 44, so one more year.
@@mitchellmahurin3465 3 years from when he left. So bucs superbowl year This year Next year. 3 yearsssss
He was like “we used to nick being wrong” hahahahaha 😂
Love this show
It’s amazing how dead on Nick’s takes are on this subject. He is 100% correct here and it’s fully documented. Brady practically begged the organization to give him a contract extension after they won the Super Bowl against Atlanta, then again after the Philly superbowl, then again after they beat LA in the superbowl…….Belichick refused. Brady played on a year to year incentive laden contract where he had to hit certain numbers to make any real money. Which superstar quarterback in the league would have done that?? Zero
Lol. The look on Greg Jennings face at the end was priceless. Lol. He pointed out that Nick initially agreed that the Patriots moving on from Brady was a good move. In all due respect to Bill Belichek, has anyone ever been this good at QB in their 40s?
HATING ON......BRADY STILL HAS TO LOAD HIS WEAPONS NOT JUST HE HAS WEAPONS HE STILL HAS TO USE HIS ASSETS RIGHT AND CALL THE AUDIBLE CONTROL FLOW OF GAME AND DELIVER THE BALL TO THEM
at 10:45 you see Broussards face trying not to laught at Nick taking a marriage analogy from Colin 😂
I told my friends in Boston that it's gonna hurt em badly and they were laughing. They said it's Belichick who made TB12 and he can make anyone TB12.
Then everyone clapped.
Gronk tells the Lions how am I getting traded?? I am retired... lol
Just because Darth Vader ended up being even more epic than Palpatine, it doesn't make the Emperors reign irrelevant.
Love the Star Trek reference!
I mean... if Vader left the empire, joined the Hutts and suddenly the Hutts rule the galaxy and Emperor is stuck on one planet with some random dark jedi who is nothing compared to the literal chosen one... yeah you may look down on Emperor a bit.
I never thought I’d ever agree with Nick Wright
People in Boston aren’t “mad” at Brady, because Bill pushed him out. Wilds has lost his mind if he thinks Pats fans aren’t a little upset that Brady is winning chips in Florida.
I will say it again, it was all TB in New England, not Bellilick. In two or three years, Bellilick is asked to retire because he's going to win NOTHING!
He already SHOWED what he could do without Brady. He's got a career LOSING record without Brady.
Bill had a hissy fit after Brady became more famous than him after the 28-3 comeback. He wanted to get rid of Brady then and even banned Brady's trainer from the facility.
respects to wiles. he speaks like a true fan. it's always team over individual player no matter how wrong your team is.
Great show
Very Simple if Bellichick doesn't win a Superbowl without Brady you can toss out the Greatest Coach of All time title out the window .He will always be the coach that won because of Brady.
Yeah but Brady had great receivers and defenses too tho
@@Ttcw89But Bellichick is the GM and Coach No excuses.If he is the Great Coach he should Draft a stud wide receiver and draft a great defense He has another 3 to 5 years left.Lets see how he does
Enjoying all of this, big fan of Wildes but he's got comeuppance in time. Him and Bill.
What is amazing to me is all these former players on tv gush about belichik and yet none ever even entertained playing for him sounds like some fake ish just to demean brady.
Belichick threw that Philly SB. Real NE heads understand exactly what happened and how. Go back and actually look at that game...BILL DEF THREW IT. Brady had over 500 yards!!!
Truth.
Finally a good debate that make senses.
What the one guy is getting blatantly wrong is “oh bill came along and changed the culture!” He was also coming off a losing season with a pro bowl qb and going winless in the following season till Brady took over for injured Bledsoe. Bill was winless till Tom took over. If Tom doesn’t take over then I think he gets fired at the end of his second season. Think about it; Bill was 5-11 first season and winless till Brady took over. Idk but it shows me that Tom had an awful lot to do with the winning ways
BB thought he made a right decision, but the outcome proved he was wrong.
Didn’t Fabre go to the jets before he went to the Vikings
biggest mistake in NFL history was taking Wilson over Jones .
Yeah it's amazing how Belichick gets no criticism for trying to push Brady out for Jimmy G. People forget NE's coaching staff was leaking that they thought they could've had all those super bowls with any top 15 qb. It's one of the most laughable decisions ever. BB has been a great coach but a really bad GM the last decade. Trading a young Chandler Jones just about to enter his prime (who now has over 100 sacks) was a embarrassing trade too.
Wow, I agree with Nick 100%. He made several great points. Bill made a huge mistaken, just like going for it on 4th down in our own territory vs Peyton or not playing Malcom Butler against the Eagles.
You are one for two here. Going for it in that game against Payton Manning was the right move. He judged (and I think he was right) that the odds were better of making that first down than the odds of winning with Payton having the ball last. A bad outcome does not mean the decision wasn’t the one with the highest probability of success. But the Butler decision was inexplicable and smacked of arrogance,
How does someone from Boston pretend like the Patriots weren't in the Super Bowl only THREE yeeeeeeaaaaarssssss prior to Belichick
It would have stayed a laughing stock if he hadnt drafted tb12
Great take Nick
Broussard is right, the 1999 decision by the Chicago Bulls to bring back Jerry Krause is another of the biggest sporting mistakes in the NE area
Wildes is from Groton, CT. It may be out east, but even rhat is not in rhe Boston region. Boston is out of market to all of CT.
Nick... I am both shocked and impressed.
And you still can't dispute it that's pre mahomes, Jackson, Murray, the class of player is different
Nick is right! Brady clearly still Brady and gronk is still gronk Lmaoo wtf the patriots have now? Bill was ignorant!! All he had to do was get Brady some receivers lol🤷🏽♂️ basically wtf a coach suppose to do lol
Nick's only fair criticism of Tom Brady is when it is against Bill, and I'm here for it. They did Tom dirty
Bill pushed those two out Wild!
Yep
As a general manager, Bill should be at fault to not put pieces around Tom Brady. Hindsight is 20/20 but it’s still comes down to Bill not giving him more weapons. If he had they might’ve won another Super Bowl or two
So happy that Brandom isn't on the show anymore.