The secret of the 7th row - visually explained

2019 ж. 25 Қаң.
429 911 Рет қаралды

In 1995 I published an article in the Mathematical Intelligencer. This article was about giving the ultimate visual explanations for a number of stunning circle stacking phenomena. In today's video I've animated some of these explanations.
Here is a copy of a preprint of the Intelligencer article:
www.qedcat.com/misc/stacks.pdf
And here are links to a few beautiful interactive animations of the circle stacking marvels that I talk about in this video (on the Cut-the-knot site):
www.cut-the-knot.org/Curricul...
www.cut-the-knot.org/Curricul...
(check for more links to related animations at the bottom of these pages)
As usual, many thanks go to Marty for all his help in getting this presentation just right and Danil for his Russian subtitles. Also, thank you very much dad for your help with building the stacking machine that features at the end of this video.
Enjoy :)

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  • 13:28 "Are you proud of me?" I am ! That is amazing !

    @JCOpUntukIndonesia@JCOpUntukIndonesia5 жыл бұрын
    • Yes, I am also proud.

      @mmcc1391@mmcc13913 жыл бұрын
  • I like how the word 'Geometry' on your shirt is written so that it is symmetrical.

    @wrassmussen@wrassmussen5 жыл бұрын
    • suddenly i can read it XD

      @marchaustein1429@marchaustein14293 жыл бұрын
  • 14:07 “I just spent 5 weeks in Germany...” Wow, you picked up an accent pretty quickly!

    @martybadboy@martybadboy5 жыл бұрын
    • Hmm, I think it's more likely that I picked up the accent while growing up in Germany :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
    • Funny XD

      @ulfschack@ulfschack3 жыл бұрын
    • funnies thing I've read all month

      @janb3938@janb39383 жыл бұрын
    • There is no German accent. As a German I can assure you, he speaks perfect English. ;)

      @Sgt__Hawk@Sgt__Hawk3 жыл бұрын
    • @@Sgt__Hawk yes, perfect english, but it's not accent-free. those things do not contradict.

      @christophs1801@christophs18013 жыл бұрын
  • "Do you like this proof?" Yes I do, Mathologer

    @paperEATER101@paperEATER1015 жыл бұрын
    • :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
  • Practical Application: How to secure a stack of round pipe on a flat-bed trailer so that it is stable over the road, using lengths of boards (standard 2x4 dimensional lumber) and tie-down straps. Determine how tall the stack will be.

    @loyeyoung1068@loyeyoung10683 жыл бұрын
    • Though stacking like this does not extend to 3D with spheres, it can be useful when leveling things via successfully rigid rods, as they will have a cross section that will always remain level. Though I think this is close to just being a scissor lift then.

      @jacobmachin6517@jacobmachin65173 жыл бұрын
    • 14 feet or less due to state laws lol.

      @theodorefreeman@theodorefreeman3 жыл бұрын
    • How big is the diameter of the pipe? How big is the truck bed? That needs to be known, yes?

      @easyjdier@easyjdier3 жыл бұрын
    • @@easyjdier As long as all the pipes are the same diameter, the outer pipes are tangent to the walls of the truck bed, and the pipes are sufficiently close together so as not to allow higher layers to slip through, then it will work. Now the specific number of pipes/height will change depending on the width/diameters, of course.

      @jacobmachin6517@jacobmachin65173 жыл бұрын
  • This might be the first Mathologer video I've watched that made 100% sense to me. Not a criticism of Mathologer, his videos are excellent and I'm an idiot. But this was beautiful and so intuitive even a moron can follow. That was rad. Great video.

    @oafkad@oafkad5 жыл бұрын
    • That's great :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
    • Hey, Folks! - Don't sell yourself short.

      @geezermann7865@geezermann78655 жыл бұрын
    • beautiful AND practical.

      @vangildermichael1767@vangildermichael17675 жыл бұрын
    • @@geezermann7865 I appreciate it but I don't think of it as a negative. Being an idiot means I've got lots of places to go. Lots of things to learn. Just means sometimes I slip into something like Mathologer and 3Blue1Brown and think "I know English but I can't comprehend these sentences." Still have a great time and I do love Mathematics. So it ends up being a win for me regardless.

      @oafkad@oafkad5 жыл бұрын
    • Like my grandfather always used to say, the more you know...the more you know you don’t know!

      @xrayiiis13@xrayiiis133 жыл бұрын
  • One application could be the chemistry of crystals. You always try to find for example unit cells and symmetries to determine which packing fits and/or which crystal system the crystal structure at hand belongs to.

    @Juarqua@Juarqua5 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah, this could potentially explain how crystals form; building up uneven layers until a flat layer is formed and then regular crystalline structure taking over from there.

      @stumbling@stumbling5 жыл бұрын
    • My mind immediately went to solid state physics - in fact that's what I initially thought the videos might have been about.

      @QuantumConundrum@QuantumConundrum5 жыл бұрын
    • Yes it might explain in part the parallel sides of large crystals. Also might explain strong planes and weak shareable planes in crystals. Also electrical conductivity in metals might flow preferentially along these parallel planes.

      @GiantSnipe@GiantSnipe5 жыл бұрын
    • Also also, materials that undergo phase changes under pressure - the force effectively makes the "spheres" of the atoms clip through each other and shift to a new stable arrangement.

      @ecyor0@ecyor05 жыл бұрын
    • I agree that practical applications could be found for surface chemistry in the context of stacking atoms or molecules on a surface and could make use of this neat property. One problem that I can see is that there is a bit of a limitation as to how big can the surface be (i.e., width of the jar) relative to the particles (if I got this right, it would affect what layer will be the horizontal one, in our case study, a bottom row of 4 elements meant 7th row was "magic"). Another idea this gave me was to use the trick instead in the modelling of crystal structures where computation effort can be prohibitive depending on model assumptions. What is neat there is that, despite we have non-ideal stacking, we can still derive some symmetry property and help reduce the cost of computation. I like how this video shows how balls would adjust to different non-ideal configurations as the walls are moved while retaining that C2 symmetry element. Pretty neat. Maybe there is something to do about it to study particle interactions and lattice vibrations. I wonder how this would look in 3D ...

      @slashfap6506@slashfap65064 жыл бұрын
  • Let the magic number be M, and number of balls in the bottom row be n. M = 2n - 1

    @randominternetuser1681@randominternetuser16815 жыл бұрын
    • your answer although says what the number in question is, still lacks explaining why it is what it is. this can be easily understood by looking at the following picture: oooo ooo oo o oo ooo oooo what we seek is the number of rows 'M' in this structure and what we start with is the number of balls 'n' in its bottom row. this structure is build of two pyramids such as this: o oo ooo oooo except one of them lacks the top row. and since the number of rows in a pyramid is equal to the number of balls in its bottom row we have: M = n + (n-1) = 2n -1, as you claimed.

      @michalbotor@michalbotor5 жыл бұрын
    • @@michalbotor thank you for that explanation 👍🏼

      @lukewaite9144@lukewaite91445 жыл бұрын
    • My intuition (M=5) was right in case of 3 balls. Couldn't find the formula though... Thanks for sharing it!!

      @starcollection1@starcollection15 жыл бұрын
    • I saw 4 and 7, went "2n-1?", saw 6 and 11, went "Looks like. So probably a symmetry around the center line" This video was a weirdly affirming experience 😅

      @SimonBuchanNz@SimonBuchanNz5 жыл бұрын
    • If you look at the picture with the gray squares (e.g. at 8:12), there have to be n-1 horizontal rhombuses to hold the n circles. And then there have to be an equal number of vertical rhombuses since they are made by rearranging the horizontal ones. Each rhombus has the vertical vertices offset by two rows (with the horizontal vertices being in the row between) so this gets us 2(n-1), which is off by one, which we add in by noting that the bottom-most vertical rhombus has its bottom vertex coincide with the first row's horizontal vertex, so it's 1 + 2(n-1) which is 2n -1 by some algebra. Alternatively, we could just say that it's the 2(n-1)th row and consider the initial row the zeroth row which IMO showcases the truth better.

      @hhaavvvvii@hhaavvvvii5 жыл бұрын
  • Despite being a Physics graduate, I had never seen this. And the very first time you built up to the 7th tow, at the start of the video, I actually let out a little involuntary gasp of delight. I LOVE it when this happens. Thank you, Mathologer!

    @angelogandolfo4174@angelogandolfo41743 жыл бұрын
  • This is the only channel that can get me to watch math at 7 am, I wish I had a teacher like him in highschool/college tbh

    @lordtachanka903@lordtachanka9035 жыл бұрын
    • That would be quite waste of life for the teacher, if it was government school...

      @GeorgWilde@GeorgWilde5 жыл бұрын
    • kzhead.info/sun/e6mfeKqrnXmOnas/bejne.html

      @HYEOL@HYEOL5 жыл бұрын
    • Georg Wilde I grew up in Everett so most of the teachers weren't really trying because 90% of my school was wannabe gangsters and the other 10% was weebs doing jitzus in the corner lmao

      @lordtachanka903@lordtachanka9035 жыл бұрын
    • HYEOL I was expecting that link to go to the rickroll or big chungus sicko mode but I was pleasantly surprised, thankyou sir! (Not that I don't enjoy my fair share of spicy memes)

      @lordtachanka903@lordtachanka9035 жыл бұрын
    • we need 24/7 schools and elimination of the idea of "earning a living"; that's the dream

      @mazxbv@mazxbv5 жыл бұрын
  • "Here is the secret of the 7th row!" "Figure out the math in the comments" Fine. Keep your secrets.

    @faradaysage9892@faradaysage98925 жыл бұрын
    • N x 2 - 1 ( where N is Number of circles, multiply by TWO, then subtract ONE.) EX: 4 x 2 = 8 - 1 = 7 EX2: 6 x 2 = 12 -1 = 11.

      @user-sb3wh3dd4v@user-sb3wh3dd4v4 жыл бұрын
    • Line 1 + line 2? That’s why 6 balls was 11 lines?

      @eduardocorrochio208@eduardocorrochio2083 жыл бұрын
    • @@eduardocorrochio208 Same number of balls touching all walls. Four on the bottom, four on the sides, four on top, so 4 'main' rows of 4 balls. Then 'filler' rows between them, n-1 filler balls per row in n-1 rows. So n+n-1 rows total. With 6 balls filler rows are 5 balls, 5+6=11.

      @sharpfang@sharpfang3 жыл бұрын
    • @@user-sb3wh3dd4v lol, I am a year behind, you beat me to it. I was going to show this prediction.

      @jeredclark5472@jeredclark54723 жыл бұрын
    • g it’s really (n-1)*2, since it repeats every (n-1)*2 rows. The need to add/subtract one (depending on fencepost counting) is arbitrary.

      @DavidConnerCodeaholic@DavidConnerCodeaholic3 жыл бұрын
  • 14:30 ...that photo of Mr Mathologer Senior building such a tidy device answered so many questions. Please tell me that you made a video while he was building it... and upload it!, we want to meet your dad!

    @sergiokorochinsky49@sergiokorochinsky495 жыл бұрын
    • He's pretty photophobic :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
    • @@Mathologer well, please just tell him that it's a gorgeous model he built. (Or however you wish to translate that into German. ;) ... sehr schön.)

      @DavidLindes@DavidLindes3 жыл бұрын
  • This was so beautiful. Thank you for taking the time to generate these gorgeous animations, graphics, and the physical model. Your content is the quantum gemerald!!

    @ChurchOfThought@ChurchOfThought5 жыл бұрын
  • The device made out of wood and metal looks amazing! You should have joined the top with a long wooden bar to show that it's always a straight line.

    5 жыл бұрын
    • That is a Do Nothing machine that is actually entertaining.

      @arikwolf3777@arikwolf37775 жыл бұрын
    • @@arikwolf3777 Then it does do something. It entertains you.

      5 жыл бұрын
    • Nicey

      @kchausheva@kchausheva5 жыл бұрын
    • There should have been a spirit level on the top row!

      @DrJugne@DrJugne5 жыл бұрын
    • Mirko Junge level, or parallel to bottom row? Not remembering if horizontal means same as level.

      @garryperrin2408@garryperrin24085 жыл бұрын
  • Does it work with spheres? (outside of 1-wide depth)

    @Halosty45@Halosty455 жыл бұрын
    • Sadly no :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
    • Maybe it does if they're only stacked ontop of each other, with only 1 sphere of depth

      @dashua1735@dashua17355 жыл бұрын
    • @@dashua1735 But isn't that analogous to having 2-D circles?

      @pco246@pco2465 жыл бұрын
    • It is, that's why I think it might be the only way for that to work

      @dashua1735@dashua17355 жыл бұрын
    • Only if it’s one row of spheres in a box as wide as one ball.

      @ophello@ophello5 жыл бұрын
  • Everyone else: watches video and enjoys Me: confused by his T-shirt the whole time

    @screamingmimi90@screamingmimi904 жыл бұрын
  • I love how your father has the same hairstyle as you :D

    @snookerkingexe@snookerkingexe5 жыл бұрын
    • class Father { public readonly HairStyle hair = null; } class Son : Father { }

      @nitsanbh@nitsanbh3 жыл бұрын
    • @@nitsanbh it wouldn’t be read only because you can get a haircut, or dyed, or a wig. It’s definitely not immutable.

      @zivc@zivc3 жыл бұрын
  • the proof is presumably useful in stacking problems such as atoms in a crystalline structure.

    @alimanski7941@alimanski79415 жыл бұрын
    • Yes ! Specially for study of anomalies caused by foreign atoms in the structure, ex. semiconductors in electronic devices (transistors)

      @pierrelacombe4757@pierrelacombe47575 жыл бұрын
    • Unfortunately, sphere stacking is very different than circle stacking, however on one dimension sheets of atoms such as Graphene, it might still have some use, maybe? I still can't really think of any :(

      @hadensnodgrass3472@hadensnodgrass34725 жыл бұрын
    • I actually thought of something, but it is really obscure and not significantly useful. It could be used to simplify simplex noise mapped to a cubic grid. Which could simplify the storage size and generation costs on the CPU, but that is a very niche use case.

      @hadensnodgrass3472@hadensnodgrass34725 жыл бұрын
    • Atom stacking is not so similar to sphere stacking as there are interactions (forces) between them. You can't just pull them apart arbitrarily to juggle the whole crystal structure as you can do with the device we saw in the video.

      @szabolcsmurath@szabolcsmurath5 жыл бұрын
    • Wouldn't that (with in tolerances allowed by atomic forces) mean crystals have room for elastic deformation?

      @joshuadelacour1106@joshuadelacour11065 жыл бұрын
  • This reminds me of the packing of sand grains in soil mechanics. Unfortunately, we don't tend to deal with perfectly round particles (sand grains just don't look that way), but sometimes a very useful approximation can still be found by making that assumption. Also, we never deal with systems where all particles have the same size (again, sand grains). I'm interested in your bit at the end where you showed two different sized circles. I'm looking forward to playing with this some more. I don't see any really direct application right now, but sometimes that's where the coolest applications come from!

    @pianoman47@pianoman475 жыл бұрын
    • Exactly :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
  • Engineer: "I have a problem to solve, are there any solutions?" Mathematician: "I have a beautiful solution but... are there any practical applications?" never change...

    @willnash7907@willnash79073 жыл бұрын
    • The only application that springs to mind is packing pens or other cylindrical objects in odd sized boxes, but then there's no guarentee they will be level at the top of the box if it has a random height. If you could design a box specifically then you would just make it the closest packed solution, and each row would be level anyway.

      @Bordpie@Bordpie3 жыл бұрын
    • Or the fair ground / fete game of estimating the number of sweets in a jar... I never won it so I guess I’m still bitter

      @Iamthenoi@Iamthenoi3 жыл бұрын
  • Magic number for n circles in the bottom is (2n-1). Practical application : efficient tuna can stacking

    @VaradMahashabde@VaradMahashabde5 жыл бұрын
  • Did you say “wobbly wine-sight”? I love that phrase, I will definitely use it!

    @jpe1@jpe15 жыл бұрын
  • 3blue1brown recommended this video!!!

    @vigneshwarm@vigneshwarm5 жыл бұрын
    • :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
    • Well - he usually does since both channels appreciate math presented in a cool way.

      @maxfriis@maxfriis5 жыл бұрын
  • I have a small winery and one of our biggest problems is stacking the bottles without falling. So yes, I found your video quite enlightening and will put it to practical use immediately, it's also very interesting to see that I can use a pyramid of wine bottles to find the centre of a wall. With Covid-19 and the hotels closed, all the wineries here had a huge drop in sales, which means we have most of last year's stock plus the new wine we made this year that has to be squeezed into our tiny spaces. We are already at full capacity and try to find new ways to stack bottles. So thanks for the video, it was exactly what I needed!

    @Jaqvaar@Jaqvaar3 жыл бұрын
  • I can see practical applications: transport of a heavy object that has to remain level. The balls could act like bearing. I have a question: How does a force exerted from the top actually transfer through the whole thing?

    @deldarel@deldarel5 жыл бұрын
    • You could break it down by considering individual ball-ball and ball-wall interactions: start from the top, see how (*Edit: a ball) can get the support it needs from the bottom while balancing left&right forces, then slowly work you way down. When static, a system like that won't have any friction, so it should be relatively simple to calculate just by hand (but somewhat tedious)

      @joshvictor110@joshvictor1105 жыл бұрын
    • How does a force exerted from the top actually transfer through the whole thing? nice point. Lets say you were transporting something. With another something on the top layer. And since it will always be a flat surface. You would be taking advantage of that. How much force could you exert on the edge, before the surface all flips up. Or is the force at the edge the same as the force at the middle. And how much of that answer depends on the friction between the balls? Like, could your bearing balls be a couple of shovels of field rocks? Or would they need to be silicon balls?

      @vangildermichael1767@vangildermichael17675 жыл бұрын
    • But the object will remain level only till the ground ( on which u r rolling the object ) stays level. If the base layer is not horizontal, it won't work. Plus side walls have to be perfectly vertical as well. . But lets say, if we are able to achieve this. My question would be what downward force difference would it make while comparing it with when the object is placed on the base horizontal layer. . That means if we are able to transfer a considerable amount of force on the side walls, this idea might work. . I need to think more 🤔

      @virtualvishwam@virtualvishwam5 жыл бұрын
    • Ever seen a scissor lift?

      @HenryLoenwind@HenryLoenwind5 жыл бұрын
  • The magic number (m) for any number of circles (n) at the bottom seems to be (2n - 1) but it also seems that if you don't confine yourself to having the second row being (n - 1) then you just get the sum of the bottom two rows

    @benjaminbrady2385@benjaminbrady23855 жыл бұрын
    • the second tow or any other row like that, not being n-1 would be unstable

      @RaymondJerome@RaymondJerome5 жыл бұрын
    • @@RaymondJerome alas, so it seems... that's why I left it as an endpoint to my comment and not my main answer though. But, in some strange alternative of the mechanics involved, maybe the fact that it's the sum of the bottom two rows could be a more useful answer?

      @benjaminbrady2385@benjaminbrady23855 жыл бұрын
    • oh wait, the second row could be n, but that would then make the bottom row change its configuration.

      @RaymondJerome@RaymondJerome5 жыл бұрын
    • The trick is to see that the even numbered rows don't really exist. Or that the columns also have them.

      @HenryLoenwind@HenryLoenwind5 жыл бұрын
  • Wow, another mind-blowing video from Mathologer I can share with people to share why math is wondrous. Your animations really helped as this proof would be so different in text form. The best part is the physical box you built with your father to demonstrate this effect in real time. Mesmerizing! Thank you.

    @missprizm@missprizm5 жыл бұрын
  • great video! I had a thought that one practical use for it would be in designing seating layouts for concert halls and stuff.

    @GradyBroyles@GradyBroyles5 жыл бұрын
  • 14:06 “I just spent five weeks in juh-” [Loud noises in the other room drown out the rest of the word] My brain autocorrect: “JAIL? What did you do?!”

    @TheWolfboy180@TheWolfboy1805 жыл бұрын
    • Christmas :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
    • Mathologer actually spent five weeks in jail -- for having divided by zero.

      @Galenus1234@Galenus12343 жыл бұрын
  • Amazing! Thank you Burkhard! -> What happens when the bottom of the glass/jar is uneaven? (got to try it out...)

    @PeterSDHeiss@PeterSDHeiss5 жыл бұрын
    • If you are interested in more details, here is my writeup from a couple of years ago . www.qedcat.com/misc/stacks.pdf

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
  • In the desert, there are a number of "glass houses" made out of old bottles laid on their sides (effectively a circle with mortar holding them in place). Using the principles outlined in the video, build in rectangles in order to keep the windows and doorway rectangular, even if the bottles within the rectangle are "random".

    @papasmurf9146@papasmurf91463 жыл бұрын
  • This is by far my favorite video you have created. I learned something. Thank you!

    @Blitnock@Blitnock5 жыл бұрын
  • I'm not yet finished but I'm charmed by this video. I think this could be one of your best videos ever! Thanks!

    @Icenri@Icenri5 жыл бұрын
  • I'm thinking that this could be used as an attempt to tackle the problem of finding order within seemingly chaotic particle motion (with regard to temperature, fluids, etc.). Obviously, would tackle just a portion of those cases, but I think it maybe could be applied.

    @Sam-cv6un@Sam-cv6un5 жыл бұрын
  • Magnificent video. As an engineer the model is appealing on a level that it can be used to teach others who are more tactile. I especially like how you included your father in the video. I'd like to see more people include either their father or mother in their videos. It shows a certain level of respect and humanity that seems to be slipping from our culture today.

    @baruchba7503@baruchba75035 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent - this is definitely a candidate for your best video yet.

    @ianji@ianji5 жыл бұрын
  • Does this translate to 3 dimensional spheres as well? And how does that effect the proof? I would imagine that it should be pretty much the same since you mentioned that different sized circles keep its symmetry, and if you take a 2 dimensional cross section of any point of a box filled with spheres you should (I think) end up with 2 sized spheres as the plane cuts through spheres at different points not through the center.

    @alexanderellis872@alexanderellis8725 жыл бұрын
    • I don't think an irregular arrangement would lead to all the "smaller" (actually just shifted in the 3rd dimension) spheres being the _same_ "smaller diameter", and he didn't say this would also work "smaller spheres" with any random diameter...

      @AttilaAsztalos@AttilaAsztalos5 жыл бұрын
    • I was just about to ask this

      @Abdega@Abdega5 жыл бұрын
    • @@AttilaAsztalos what I was thinking was sense they would shift along the y and z axis the regular sphere would look irregular if the plane cuts through the center of some of the rows. So it would get the whole sphere of one (or more) does and an off center of others (and possibly all others?). I'm inclined (no proof) to think this should be true of 3 dimensional spheres too.

      @alexanderellis872@alexanderellis8725 жыл бұрын
    • @@AttilaAsztalos read that wrong, let me respond properly. Ur rightn he diesnt say tgat, but he does say "different sized circles for alternating rows" but doesn't, so my question should maybe have been a different phrasing. I meant more that if a box is packed and it follows that rule, and assembles into some amount of regularity, there would be those alternating smaller circles in the 2 dimensional plane. And then my question ends up being how does that (and 3 dimensions in general) effect the proof

      @alexanderellis872@alexanderellis8725 жыл бұрын
    • No it doesn’t, unless the spheres are packed into a box 1 sphere thick.

      @ophello@ophello5 жыл бұрын
  • 9:54 -one circled moved! (left top yellow/brownish circle)- Edit: actually, few circles moved!

    @user-iu1xg6jv6e@user-iu1xg6jv6e5 жыл бұрын
  • Applications: coil winding for maximum fiber density, understanding free space and sizing the bobbin. How bullets stack in a magazine and will or not feed properly. Foundations of metrology and finding center. You have a beautiful mind. Things like this seem to not have application but they do. And it’s why everyone should think like this and explore a topic that tickles the brain. I loved your video, thank you.

    @chrispoirier384@chrispoirier3843 жыл бұрын
  • Great job explaining this amazing mathematical nugget! Also a very clever proof.

    @subhendum@subhendum5 жыл бұрын
  • Holy shit this is amazing!

    @johnchessant3012@johnchessant30125 жыл бұрын
  • What arrangement/spacing of circles at the bottom row gives the max/min height of the top row?

    @qyrghyz@qyrghyz5 жыл бұрын
    • I have the same question

      @xxdirtytrashxx@xxdirtytrashxx5 жыл бұрын
    • My best guess is either bottom row X 2 - 1 or the sum of rows 1 and 2. EG 4 X 2 = 8-1 = 7 (6X2=12 -1 =11). Or 4+3=7 (6+5 = 11).

      @jarrod752@jarrod7524 жыл бұрын
  • That physical model you made is wonderful! I want one! I would imagine there should be many practical applications, but I have not thought of any yet.

    @RalphDratman@RalphDratman5 жыл бұрын
  • Incredible! We should have known about this 7 years ago. There is an application: melting ice blocks in a piston! As any physicists, we said that the blocks are discs. But we missed the essential! Thank you to your video!

    @stephanedorbo@stephanedorbo3 жыл бұрын
    • Great point!

      @Mathologer@Mathologer3 жыл бұрын
    • @@Mathologer More recently (not the very same geometry): journals.aps.org/prresearch/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevResearch.2.023070

      @stephanedorbo@stephanedorbo3 жыл бұрын
  • Looks like you're developing a tetris variant.

    5 жыл бұрын
  • Ok let me make this straight ! what you're saying is that the arrangement of some tangible coins in a tangible wood frame that I'm touching in this very physical plane obeying some kind of ethereal geometric pattern that flip and flop only in our imagination, totally seceding from our corporeal perception and it spans to infinity ? Oh crap my brain is burning !

    @adolfninh23@adolfninh235 жыл бұрын
    • Yes. Welcome to maths. (Yes it is very possible to get an education and never once experience mathematics.)

      @jordanrodrigues1279@jordanrodrigues12795 жыл бұрын
    • oily foods help lube the gears

      @timq6224@timq62243 жыл бұрын
  • This is so fascinating and amazing! I've never heard of this principal before

    @endrankluvsda4loko172@endrankluvsda4loko1725 жыл бұрын
  • I hadn't considered the mathematical exploration of this - but I have noticed this in practice when packing steel tubes into poorly fitted crates. Very happy to see a proper explanation.

    @interstellarsurfer@interstellarsurfer5 жыл бұрын
  • *Actually i see it can be applied in different engineering tasks:* *1) For storages of circular objects (wine storage etc) on shelves.* *2) For superheavy transport vehicles (moving rockets to launch site etc)*

    @DjSapsan@DjSapsan5 жыл бұрын
    • I'm actually working on a project what problem statement is somewhat as follow: "Optimize the loading of cylindrical (pipes) shaped object in a TL2." If people could show me some papers about this, I would ne very happy!

      @abdelazizzariouh5337@abdelazizzariouh53375 жыл бұрын
    • R=U/I

      @DjSapsan@DjSapsan5 жыл бұрын
    • @Abdelaziz Zariouh What’s a TL2? Edit: forgot question mark

      @Abdega@Abdega5 жыл бұрын
    • Well, they don't really stack those things on top of each other. There is usually something in between to keep them from hitting each other during transport

      @toshiro0o@toshiro0o5 жыл бұрын
    • @@toshiro0o If those somethings are equally sized, e.g. same sized wedges, the distances between centers remain equal. Everything works fine

      @eduardosuela7291@eduardosuela72915 жыл бұрын
  • Magic number 7

    @SpencerTwiddy@SpencerTwiddy5 жыл бұрын
  • Awesome video, that contraption you made is amazing!

    @523101997@5231019975 жыл бұрын
  • For some reason, this is reminding me of a polyrythem in music where 2 rythems of equally spaced beats but different time signatures are played against one another. At a perodic point the two rythems converge so that the downbeat of each rythem is played at the same time. A 3:4 polyrythem for example, where 3 a beats per measure component rythem is played against a 4 beat per measure component rythem. The convergent beat happens every 6 poly-beats, or at beat 1 and 7, etc. Without doing any of the math and making a guess, it looks like a polyrythem eqivelent to the lower beat value rythem of the polyrythem (3 in my example above) being represented by the number of circles and the higher beat value rythem (4 in the above example above) being represented by the walls. Normally, when you play a polyrythem, you play an equeally spaced beat in each of its component rythems. (1 2 3 vs 1 2 3 4) Without actually tapping it out, this is suggesting the possibility of constructing a polyrythem where the lower value rythem is not equal spaced and is not repeating within its cycle but is symecrical around the same point that the equal spaced rythem, the unequal lower beat value rythem would still converge with the equal spaced higher beat value rythem at the same point it would if the lower beat value was equal spaced. Taking this a step further, you could extend this example to 3 dimensions and this would be equivelent two mapping a pattern of 3 or even 4 rythems playing against each other, resulting in a very powerful convergence beat. And to be completely random, extending this to general waveforms and construction, you'd have to be careful not to construct a building or a bridge without frequencies in the design which apear to be random, with the goal to iliminate any wave combination effects (like in the Tacoma Narrows bridge) but actually set up a multi-component polyrythem with a long convergent point that could converge and snap with no aparent warning and seem to be a random occurance but actually mathematically predictabe given that all the relevant equally spaced and non equally spaced component rythems were identified.

    @colleenforrest7936@colleenforrest79365 жыл бұрын
  • I think I have an application; in metals the atoms are stacked this way! You should talk to a quantum physicist specialised in metals. :)

    @willemvandebeek@willemvandebeek5 жыл бұрын
    • Atoms in metals don't usually have rigid perfectly straight walls constraining their movements.

      @ergohack@ergohack5 жыл бұрын
    • @@ergohack yet quantum physicists use square wells with infinite thick walls to understand quantum behaviour -> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_in_a_box

      @willemvandebeek@willemvandebeek5 жыл бұрын
    • thats a box of potential energy, there aren't actually walls..

      @theducksongrules@theducksongrules5 жыл бұрын
    • Atoms are spherical. This doesn’t work in higher dimensions.

      @hankmmxviii2640@hankmmxviii26405 жыл бұрын
    • Willem van de Beek that’s a toy model we use. Infinite square wells don’t really exist.

      @falubii9712@falubii97125 жыл бұрын
  • Let n be the number of circles in the first row The pyramid in the first step will have n layers The final construction has 2 times that size -1 as it's the pyramid on top of itself with the tips overlapping Thus the 2*n-1 th row would be level again

    @TheLuckySpades@TheLuckySpades5 жыл бұрын
  • Your real life model brought back memories. My old Mecano set. Mecano was 50s and 60s toy stuff for very young inspiring engeneers and mechanical technicians. It consisted mostly of strips and plates of metal, dyed green mostly, with holes on regular intervals that made it possible to make joints with screws and bolts. It was way cool for a kid in those days to have mecano set. It had the allure of wealth and intelligence in one. If you had it, your classmates would envy you! 😁

    @theobolt250@theobolt2503 жыл бұрын
  • I thought I was too old for it.. but MIND BLOWN!!!

    @LevAgency@LevAgency3 жыл бұрын
  • 2x-1=y X=amount of circles on the bottom Y=the magic row that is level

    @f3ynman1um8@f3ynman1um85 жыл бұрын
  • 7th!

    @thomassgdf8270@thomassgdf82705 жыл бұрын
    • Very funny :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
  • THIS IS SO SATISFYING! I had a feeling that I knew what was going to happen after he said "Let's move the bottom circles" and I was so happy when it happened

    @Sicira@Sicira5 жыл бұрын
  • This is fabulous, the behavior looks very mysterious and has an easy proof. This is the sort of thing that everyone should learn in middle school to show them what math is all about.

    @dranorter@dranorter7 ай бұрын
    • Also it seems like there are a lot of other ways to approach proving this, which is cool. If we view this as a system of levers and joints, we can talk about the number of degrees of freedom in the system and get the result that way. What was initially surprising to me was, this is a seemingly continuous system behaving like a discrete system. IE, if we were stacking pixelated objects, we would have a guarantee than eventually the stacking pattern would repeat due to the finite set of possible arrangements. I wonder if there's a way of viewing this as a discrete system and proving it that way.

      @dranorter@dranorter7 ай бұрын
  • 4:17 Mathologer: "Let's begin with a visual proof from the book" Me: But is the proof small enough to fit inside Fermat's margin though?

    @evaristegalois6282@evaristegalois62825 жыл бұрын
    • Evariste Galois BOI

      @o.m9434@o.m94345 жыл бұрын
    • It was probably Erdös's book which has extra pages at the end.

      @AaronOrtiz@AaronOrtiz5 жыл бұрын
  • 2:33 n circles, 2*n-1 rows

    @alin_ilies@alin_ilies5 жыл бұрын
  • thank you very much!! it shows that though it still dont have one material applications, the math patterns behind commons geometrics objects are one great source of inspiration for those know how to contemplate.

    @leonardoteixeira3314@leonardoteixeira33145 жыл бұрын
  • Love your work and that is a nice model that you created. I imagine what it would be like when we try to get these circles in a circular shaped box. Nice explanation on the limit to what extent the circle from above can drop to.

    @Urmilpatel17@Urmilpatel173 жыл бұрын
  • Because every square is a rumbus You gave out the answer 2 minutes earlier if anyone actually payed atention

    @studpuddin3476@studpuddin34765 жыл бұрын
  • Notification squad!

    @MrMisacar@MrMisacar5 жыл бұрын
    • Sorry. The entire squad was killed over the weekend. You'll have to play somewhere else I guess. I heard Facebook was looking for stupid little bastards to holler "notification squad" every time a new cat video shows up.

      @KSparks80@KSparks805 жыл бұрын
  • So great to see you and your Dad applying your minds to an intellectual challenge. You are both lucky to have each other

    @gregarmstrong4653@gregarmstrong46535 жыл бұрын
  • love your videos. always so inspired, thanks for keeping me busy at home!

    @mrbeancanman@mrbeancanman3 жыл бұрын
  • n*2-1?

    @valokeskevaari2580@valokeskevaari25805 жыл бұрын
    • Yup, since a circle-pyramid with a base of size n also has n rows (row with n circles, n-1 circles, ..., 1 circle) we can rotate it 180 degrees and get 2n rows except for the center circle which overlaps with its own rotation, giving 2n-1.

      @MrMomoro123@MrMomoro1235 жыл бұрын
    • It does not work for his last example.

      @kent_hdd@kent_hdd5 жыл бұрын
  • Like for more mathologer videos 👍

    @d.kmishra7189@d.kmishra71895 жыл бұрын
    • Well, I've got a lot of nice ones planned for 2019. Cannot wait to work on them :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
  • The height of the pyramid is N where N is the number of balls in the bottom. If we invert the pyramid it's height is also N, so if we have them share the top circle, their total combined height is N+(N-1). So for any N circle width at the bottom, the layer that is N+(N-1) above will be level. Going further, if you continue stacking circles, it will become crooked again until you reach N+(N-1)-1, since the whole system will share the same base. This can be simplified to say that for any given level base with N circles, you are guaranteed to have another level base 2*(N-1) levels after the base. (Not including the current base) This will repeat forever.

    @chthonicone7389@chthonicone73895 жыл бұрын
    • Yep, that's fine. Another nice way of looking at all this is to ponder this kzhead.info/sun/ltGdf9GHepilbGg/bejne.html and to realise that the stack is really a large "square" consisting of n long rows and, nested inside a smaller square consisting of n-1 short rows :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
  • Fantastic video! Thanks you so much. It's great when someone like me who loves math but doesn't have all that much education in it can completely understand some phenomenon like this.

    @pickleballer1729@pickleballer17295 жыл бұрын
  • You remind me of my calculus teacher at BU....I learned so much from him. He explained math in a way that was really easy to comprehend.....thanks

    @willlaflam@willlaflam5 жыл бұрын
  • I don't really know why, but this is blowing my mind right now. Fascinating

    @EdM66410@EdM664105 жыл бұрын
    • That's what I thought the first time I stumbled across this. Maybe also check out some of the interactive animations that I link to in the description :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
  • I remember long long time ago when I was in primary school, they still thought geometry as part of math. There was one particular problem, similar to what you've jsut talked about, to solve and prove - how to arrange balls inside box to fit maksimum number of them inside. There are 'practical' applications used already - in supermarkets they arrange layers of bootles on d-pallets in that particular way that we were to find at achool

    @mariuszwisla3230@mariuszwisla32308 ай бұрын
  • This video explains mathematically the solution of Mr. Puzzle's challenge of fitting some coins inside a rectangular frame. Amazing!

    @mmaldonadojr@mmaldonadojr5 жыл бұрын
  • An application could be earthquake prevention platforms under buildings. Although I think it would need spheres, it could use cylinders that are the length of the building, because the whole function of this is to maintain level bases while things are shifting. It would be interesting to see how a building with this kind of base upholds under a shake test.

    @georgetavlarios6806@georgetavlarios68065 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you for this really interesting topic. Very well explained

    @rbewoor@rbewoor5 жыл бұрын
  • I had always wondered about- rogue waves & the seventh wave - while walking on the seaside. This vid goes a long way to explaining - quasi crystal lattice interactions; as well. 3d - 7nth wave action - must also include the sub surface topograghy chaos, & current direction energy..

    @knewdles@knewdles5 жыл бұрын
  • Makes me feel really engaged. Good Food for the mind. With many thanks for your personal effort.

    @ursulapainter5787@ursulapainter57875 жыл бұрын
  • I really like maths concepts but studying them is usually kinda boring, you make it really easy to follow and go about it in such a creative way! Great video

    @joshmackay358@joshmackay3585 жыл бұрын
  • Great, just great. I can't wait for a follow-up.

    @peterdenk6200@peterdenk62005 жыл бұрын
    • :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
  • Hello I was recently in the JMSS talk and was the person who took a photo with you at the end. Thank you so much for coming and I hope that I will see you again!

    @tamquan124@tamquan1245 жыл бұрын
  • Nice video, as usual. Great visuals too, I see you put a lot of work in it :-)!

    @mulder1979@mulder19795 жыл бұрын
  • My first thought was to simulate this on a computer, but now I think it would be more interesting to simulate the mechanism shown at the end! What a dad, no wonder you are like you are!

    @adamonline45@adamonline455 жыл бұрын
  • So much symmetry from something that appears so assymetric!

    @daicon2k6@daicon2k65 жыл бұрын
  • Cool stuff! Watching that grid move was so satisfying :D

    @Saturos02@Saturos025 жыл бұрын
    • Yes, that metal grid apparatus really worked out incredibly well :)

      @Mathologer@Mathologer5 жыл бұрын
  • The math was awesome, the description is great. But the physical model built with your father is simply magical!

    @volodyanarchist@volodyanarchist5 жыл бұрын
  • I've felt like mirroring/copying/rotating the pyramid structure three times to form a rectangle makes me understand what is going on much better. This leverages the fact that a rhombus has equal opposite angles.

    @SergeMatveenko@SergeMatveenko5 жыл бұрын
  • Nice video! The stacked circles made me think of the positions of atoms in crystals. A possible application of the theorem might be related to creating well-defined small structures that have nice straight edges even in the presence of crystallographic defects... Anyway, cool theorem and beautiful proof!

    @handyMath@handyMath5 жыл бұрын
  • Enjoyed my first Mathologer video. After five weeks in Germany you've picked up quite an accent! 😁

    @johnpowell5433@johnpowell54335 жыл бұрын
  • I love your explanations, thank you.

    @olipito@olipito5 жыл бұрын
  • when you said suggestions. I do not know how this applies in SHIPPING. They had t oFIGURE OUT how best to transport spheres, balls a MAXIMUM number to transport in a LIMITED volume in a ship. All of your videos are EXCELLENT. thank you

    @peterromano4405@peterromano44053 жыл бұрын
  • If you are a non-math individual like me, I still encourage watching these wonderful videos. I get lost on the details but find the presentation fascinating... and who knows-maybe I'm training my brain to do a bit more!

    @StorytellerStudios@StorytellerStudios5 жыл бұрын
  • Beautifully done

    @danialahmad8586@danialahmad85865 жыл бұрын
  • When I get so frustrated I could scream, I play one of your proof. Thk goodness my brains are not big enough to focus on my frustration & your most excellent proof. Thks

    @tombouie@tombouie5 жыл бұрын
  • Although every Mathologer video is outstanding, I really enjoyed this one extra. Thank you for showing the physical model you built with your father as well.

    @rc5989@rc59894 жыл бұрын
  • You explain things really well.

    @michaelcrosby7715@michaelcrosby77155 жыл бұрын
  • Beautifully demonstrated, thanks.

    @MaxBorges888@MaxBorges8883 жыл бұрын
  • Best math channel

    @o.m9434@o.m94345 жыл бұрын
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