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We will soon have a solving method like "Identify which one of the 43,252,003,274,489,856,000 scrambles you have, and use the corresponding algorithm (20 steps at most)".
Aka one look
I think this actually has potential, the main thing holding it back is the lack of a clear progression from beginner to advanced but I could see this really taking off in a few years. I'm definitely going to learn it.
it's like that method where you must already have previous knowledge of cubing in order to learn the method
@@paper2222 but it is the natural progression of advanced CFOP tymon as an example moving towards xx cross and ZBLL and doing EO mid F2L very similar to Petrus/APB
It also seems like it would be those things with a super steep learning curve but once you learn it your progression will be bigger than ever
@rujon288 bruh, you just wrote a bunch of letters. How would you go from cross on the 1st layer, 1st layer corners, 2nd layer, 3rd layer cross, corners fixed and then rotated to learning the beginning of what you said?
@@AttackOnTyler i think that's on you for not knowing cfop yet "2nd layer" is not a thing in advanced cfop
as the 3x3 world record holder, I can say with certainty that this video is true
wow rlly omg that’s so cool, 你会说中文吗？
thank you I worked really hard to get there and it means a lot to see people recognise me :)
oh m gee its max park
@@archiehandler1292Bro Max Park holds the world record
this is a common misconception so i don’t blame you for making this mistake
Sounds cool, can't hurt to give the BEST method a try. Plus I have time to learn a few algs during the summer.
Awesome video and it’s a very cool method. Highly algorithmic methods are just not for me, but for someone with the time & dedication to learn the algs this seems really worthwhile & a very cool method. Thanks for sharing
Bro your chanel is extremly underrated, you put so much effort in your videos and they are actually really good videos, big respect👍👍👍
Thank you! I’m glad you like them
I've been messing around with the method and LXS is such a fun step to do. I don't know the algorithms, but there are so many times when I just cancel into an F2L case while inserting the edge, which is super satisfying. The beginner EO algs are also pretty interesting, and you could kind of think about them intuitively if you borrow some ideas from Roux and ZZ EO. I think this is a pretty good method, and I hope there are more people trying to get faster with this method and discover its full potential.
i didn't want to learn zz or petrus because it seemed too different from cfop and layer by layer. but this method seems fun, has potential to be really fast, and combines parts of different solving methods all into one. when i have time, i'll definitely try learning this! your video really convinced me.
Cfop is faster its sadly not worth it to learn apb
This is very interesting. As an older cuber whose fingers just don't go as fast, this is appealing as efficiency is a good way for me to improve. A more efficient path through the solve with minimal new algs to learn (i.e. just the EO algs) is very enticing. I'd love to see a tutorial video or series.
learning 700 algs isnt efficient
@@chrisr6950huh? it is? oh nvm I think I get what you misunderstood. he meant that his solve can become more (move) efficient. which means less moves and less moves mean less turns and less turns means a lower time.
I'm an older cuber too. I would consider myself pretty experienced, but slow. I consistently average sub 5. Sub 5 TPS that is. In my 10+ years cubing journey I've looked into all major methods, including ZZ , Petrus and Roux, but never really switched from cfop. I started to learn coll and wv, but never completed them. This is mainly because the cases come up too rarely. APB seems to be the perfect method for me. With my low TPS, but good understanding of the cube, I might improve beyond what was doable for me before. And I might finally learn wv and coll. Thanks for sharing. And keep the tutorials flowing. Make one for the 11 EO-cases.
@@chrisr6950That's the most advanced version
super cool video, well structured and interesting. Hope someone takes this method and runs with it
This sounds like a slightly altered, more algorithm oriented version of petrus. I can see this being popular but it seems intimidating to learn with the large algorithm sets. Will definitely give this a shot, thanks for the vid
To increase your TPS, make sure you're using the new cover sheet.
Sounds like somebody’s got a case of the mundays.
Very interesting! Though I do feel like seven hundred something Algs is a crazy amount, if you put in the work and mastered this technique they’d be getting some insane times!
Last layer can still be solved with coll and really fast edge pll cases which is pretty nice and only 50-ish algs
I will definitly look into this method, this seems very good 😎
Dude... nice editing and background music
Wow! This method seems like it has a lot of potential. However, I'm refraining from learning it (Partly because it has so few resources and mainly because of the obvious difficulty- I mean, 700 algs, I've just barely learned full OLL and advanced F2L.) I'm glad you've made a video on it, though; You've exposed the method to many more people, and it truly does seem like it could become mainstream in the future. I think that you should make a more in-depth tutorial, as you suggested! It's always best for the cubing community to keep innovating and changing. (But are there any noticeable flaws to the method- or in other words, aspects or benefits that other methods have that APB doesn't? Maybe you could mention those if you made another video.) I'd also like to say that this video's quality is immaculate for under 1K subs! I was shocked when I saw your sub count. You did a great job on this, I'm looking forward to another video (and I'm sure other people are too.)
Thank you so much! Fear not for I’m already working on the beginner tutorial. There are of course some flaws with the method but I believe they can be fixed. For example one problem is alg recognition, especially ZBLL but we have someone who created an alternate ZBLL recognition system which is easier to do ZBLL prediction with. Although it’s obviously quite hard to test this stuff when no one’s at the level where it becomes necessary yet.
It is crazy to the of the possibility’s though because since it’s so alg based and good move turning it could make people like max park turn 16+ tps and get a 3 second avrg
Ngl when I saw this video thought it was a jperm one, glad to see we have someone new in the mix, I'm kinda wanting to come back to cubing as well as learn this, I'm curious to how popular this could become as well
I’ve been solving CFOP since I was 15. I’m now 19. This honestly looks like a lot of fun and I really want to work on efficiency. Also what cube are you using in this vid? It has a very nice sound.
as a cfop user who averages around 25 seconds, im going to give this a shot. if i can match my times with the beginner or an intermediate variant, i might go for it
Very high quality video! For this i subscribed!😃But I will probably stick with cfop.
I know Summoning Salt has a great choice in music, but there are a lot of synth lofi tracks to choose from.
Can you give me some suggestions?
JEEEZUS 😂, im on my 2nd week n got down to 1:32, thought I was doing well so went on youtube to look at how to get quicker, had no idea how advanced it could get!
this sounds so promising ,makes me wanna pick up the 3x3 once again.
been cubing a while but then i just stopped some day, this vid has inspired me to keep going
(i subbed)
Good luck!
Just lean to solve a 3x3 cube two days ago. Now I feel it is going to take me 10 years to become even half as good as what I just watched.
3:36 actually if you can just do the R move before the algorith to bring the pair on top the created pair will allways end up in 2 locations. That reduces the number of cases.
I already knew about and love APB and plan to switch to it when i finally finish ZB because there's no point switching before full ZB
Before full zbll you mean right?
@@OneDerscoreOnederZBLL is part of the ZB method, along with ZBLS which is a way to solve last slot and edge orientation at the same time
@@milomaher1582 yeah... I know. I know all of zbll and half of zbls, you don't need to explain them to me. I said that because there's no reason to learn zbls (the other part of zb) before learning APB since APB doesn't use zbls. Hence why I was questioning why he would need to finish learning all of zb before APB since the zbls part of zb isn't useful for APB.
Full zbll is not necessary. So just learn eopair and LXS
@@OneDerscoreOneder Ye i call ZBLS EOLS so i can just call ZBLL ZB so ye i meant just ZBLL
As a roux solver I’m curious about the planning part of this method? For roux planning First Block + DR consistently is something recommended for people in the sub-12 to sub-10 range, so adding another piece seems really difficult, and I feel like the probably slightly wonky finger tricks don’t help? Also, is the beginner method version of this any different than just doing eo then petrus? Is there a meaningful difference between making the pair before or after eo? Overall it looks cool, and seems around equal to CFOP and Roux. Subjectively is there difference in fun/style you see in this method that would make you recommend it? The differences in style between CFOP and Roux are obvious, but this seems like CFOP for someone who loves algs, which I can see being popular in ZMS server lol. I don’t mean this as an insult btw, but just how does the solve feel to do?
It’s hard to say since I came into APB with a pretty strong foundation in CFOP and my inspection planning was pretty good. I don’t think planning DFDB will be too difficult for solvers around the sub 10 area but once again it’s hard to say since the method is quite new and we don’t have a lot of users. Even I didn’t have a background in Roux so my FB leaves much to be desired. Another thing to note is that FB>DFDB is only one way to solve the 223 and it’s possible to find some more efficient solutions that partially combine the steps, so it’s not strictly FB>DFDB which can make planning the entire 223 in inspection easier. I would like to do some analysis on DFDB finger tricks, including perhaps making some sort of intuitive way you can solve every case within 1 move of optimal. The other solution is just algs which is less elegant (and will probably only be learnt by the most dedicated individuals) but it gets the job done while guaranteeing the best ergonomics/fingertricks. In the beginner version solving the pair does make a large impact. The difference between recognising EO with 2 F2L edges vs 1 F2L edge is large and only having 1 F2L edge means it can be tracked and therefore EO recognition becomes instant. Also making the pair in the beginner method makes sense for transitioning into full APB. In terms of fun/style I can say it’s very fun to use. Since the entire method is optimised algs after the first few steps, you get some really satisfying solutions because of how good the ergonomics are, particularly in LXS which is an amazing alg set. In most methods with large semi-intuitive steps (like F2L or SB that are partially supported by algs) it usually takes a solver a lot of practice with the method to start finding the speed optimal solution and sometimes even the most advanced solvers will miss something good, but having alg steps means a beginner and the most advanced solver will be doing the same most ergonomic solution.
i might learn intuitive apb so that i know it. idk if ill switch, but i think that this is a great video.
As someone who has never learned anything more advanced than the beginner method, not sure how the yt alg placed this in my feed. I was impressed nonetheless.
I’m not sure this is the best method, but I’m very interested in learning a completely new thing and I think it would be interesting to be along for the journey of this
Amazing video!!
Good video and very persuasive, but I think I'll stick with cfop, because I'm bad at doing the 2x2x3 and Eo seems difficult. These are also the same reasons why I don't use roux
This is actually really cool haha might experiment lol
When i saw the thumbnail i thought it was j perms video lol. Btw great vid!
As a Petrus main, this sounds like torture. But then again, I don’t like learning algs haha. Your comment about people who lack finger tricks hit me though. My turning style hasn’t evolved since 2007, and my wrists hate me for me 😂
Great video. Apb user right here, been using it for 6 months
Thank you! Good luck with your future APB endeavours
In some ways, I feel like APB is quite similar to Mehta in its heay reliance on algs. In the future, I can think of one possiblity is that we might change and adjust more to heavy algs set, the only thing left to improve is how we should develop more beginner-friendly approaches for new solvers and most importantly the transition from basic LBL method to advanced methods like the aforementioned example, or from CFOP and Roux to those methods. I feel like in some way this method doesn't have a very good look ahead compare to CFOP because of the blind spots at the first step and doing it like Roux maybe is the only optimal way to do so. The only thing I would like to point out is the look ahead aspect since you have already covered the ergonomics and move counts. It is really nice to see some small groups this community who pioneer research to construct new and possibly better methods to replace and improve CFOP. I will start trying this method soon.
There are no blind spots in any parts of apb if you plan 2x2x3 in inspection which you really should if you are looking to seriously do APB
Thank you! It’s funny you mention Mehta because APB was originally designed to be an objectively better version of Mehta-TDR and it was proven to be better in almost every aspect (I believe there is a forums post which compares 2x2x3 systems you can check out) which lead a lot of people who were learning Mehta (myself included) to drop it and switch to APB. The lookahead isn’t really a problem in the first steps because planning 2x2x3 is more than doable, it’s more so in the later step with alg lookahead which can become difficult and some new prediction methods may need to be developed (particularly the LXS to ZBLL transition)
@@LiamHighducheck Thank you for your respond, i can't believe this has been designed to be better than Mehta lol.
@@PureRockerHK ye the original mehta method promo vid actually links APB as the methods successor in the des.
@@rujon288 no wonder why they are so similar in certain ways XD
As a GD player i can confirm abp is hard to memorize
Good one
It’s ok it’s not may so no compulsory maymory levels for me
last wave flashbacks
What song did you use in the beginning?
Ah yes, the APB method, where you outsource your manhunt for the best time to the general public.
Hey @LiamHighducheck , great video, inspired me to try to create my own method. What is the algorithm analysis software mentioned at 6:22? Thanks in advance!
It’s called Batch Solver, it’s made by Trangium and Ryan Hudgens has a tutorial for it. It’s very useful
@@LiamHighducheck thank youu ❤️
I will potentially switch, I do quite well with algs
Can you make a tutorial on EO, since it seems to be to most important and tricky step coming from a 13 second CFOP solver.
I’m already in the 95th percentile for viewers subscribing let’s goo barely even had to try
do you know if Trangium was the first person to come up with MCC or was it something they just incorporated into the batch solver?
Trangium made the MCC then later on he made batch solver and integrated the MCC in. I would say he’s not the first person to think of the idea since Jperm had this one video where he did a simplified version of it but I’d say he’s almost certainly the first person to actually make a good software version optimised for a large amount of algs
@@LiamHighducheck ye although I’ve found it to be a bit weird in its ranking when it comes to things greater than 3-gen
How would this compare to the method 42?
There are so few tutorials on this method but I really want to learn it.
You use the same alg generator as me lol. I’m also working on a method that should rival this (just as algorithmic but lower movecount and less than 200 algs)
keep it up I want to see more
is this a rubik's cube video or a summoning salt speed run video?
at first i thought it was click bate. I will learn it. thanks!
cool method! thinking of trying it but i think i’ll just use oll pll for last layer
CDRLL and L5EP is better
APB CDRLL
After EOpair, you solve the front F2L pair (DFR+FR) You solve the last layer with CDRLL (42 algs) Then solve the last 5 edges with L5EP (16 algs)
Solving the last layer with OLL and PLL defeats the purpose of the method.
@@ugwuanyicollins6136its easier 😂
omg a video finally yay
I am imterested, but I would need more input to decide, if this really makes sense. So I would love, if you make more vids about this method
Just wondering, how do you get the cubes in the thumbnail?
Images were made with visual cube. If you look up “cube rider visual cube” it should come up
This method is so interesting!!
Sir thank u so much
@LiamHighducheck What's the reason you specify the counts of OLL and PLL to be only 7 and 21 respectively at the end of the video while more algorithms exist?
Do you mean for the beginner variant?
I think you meant 2 look OLL and PLL. I use 17 PLL only, breaking down G perms to 2 PLL 😂 Old man can't remember much algs
I have 2questions, what other things can we improve/optimize on this method and what do you think about doing CDRLL and L5EP instead of LXS and Zbll.
whats wrong with LxS and ZB not only are they developed highly but they are also proven to be pretty optimal
So we’ve actually put hours into brainstorming new variants or ideas then genning and testing alg sets for different ways to solve things or different sub steps but most of them just can’t beat standard APB. For an extremely advanced solver their main improvements will come from planning further in inspection, solving pseudo blocks, drilling algs for faster execution, and learning alg prediction. Alg prediction is probably the biggest thing we are currently looking into, specifically with ZBLL as that is the hardest pause to overcome. One of our members developed a new ZBLL recog system (Tv2) that could allow us to track some useful information during steps like LS or LXS. But obviously no one has gotten near the level where that stuff actually matters so it’s hard to test ideas. We are still working on finding other optimisations where possible. For CDRLL and L5EP it is just a worse way to solve things when compared to LXS and ZBLL and is kinda just there for fun. The main reason it’s a variant is because it was a variant in Mehta and when all the Mehta users switched to APB and development started occurring in APB the CDRLL variant was bound to occur.
Ok thanks
I only have 5 algs memorized, and that's for the last layer, lol. Even doing 20-30 algs would already be a stretch for me.
Just less than 30 algs for last layer, and another 12 for 2x2 Ortega method, easy peasy lemon squeezy 🎉
Ah yes. Time to learn 600 algorithms
Finally someone who uses Batch solver instead of cube explorer
That song at the end went way too hard on God
This is really cool.
I was holding the cube before video starting and when it started i found u holding it from the same position
idk, i tried learning beginner abp and is quite good with barely any practise but it takes the fun out of it somehow and idk why, so as good as it is, im not that serious about this and im probably gonna stay with cfop
what's the software used for the cube algo move counter mentioned in the video?
Batch solver which was created by Trangium. Ryan Hudgens has a tutorial on how to use it (has a bit of a learning curve but after you gen your first alg set you should be fine)
Bro learned 1000+ algs to solve the last layer with one alg. Respect 🤌
Here before APB method becomes very popular
woah that's so cool and also great video
Appreciated 🙏
what would be the advantages of this over full zb? seems like the same number of algs but slightly less optimal due to a more specific solving order if that makes sense
This is better than ZB in every aspect.
ZBLS requires always forcing the FR slot unless someone wants to learn a massive number of algs for all four slots, or rotate. APB's specific solving order doesn't hinder the solve, it actually improves it since the intent is to solve the back pair to have good LXS visibility. To have a set solving order for ZBLS to always end in FR would be a negative impact. You would be losing the important freedom in F2L, making it less efficient. So the specific solving order creates optimal solutions in APB and creates less optimal solutions in ZBLS. APB has fewer algs. EOPair + LXS is 244 algs. ZBLS is 305 just for the FR slot. APB has better algs. EOPair is under 7 moves on average and the algs are great. LXS is amazing. We just did an analysis on the ZBLS algs movecount and ergonomics and they are worse than both EOPair and LXS.
2x2x3 is the most efficient way of blockbuilding and way >>>> than F2L. F2L is really fairly restrictive in what it allows you to do in the intuitive stage of a solve.
What is the alg if all edges are good and your pair is not inserted yet? i somehow cannot find it in the EOPair Doc
There are 4 sets of EOPair, Oriented Pair U, Oriented Pair R, Misoriented Pair U, Misoriented Pair R. The 2 sets where all edges can be oriented are Oriented Pair U and R, and the algs for both of those will just be U’ R and R2 respectively.
was about to send this to you then saw you posted it. shocked.
No shot KZhead raw recommended you an advanced underground method overview
I like to call APB "absolute personal best" like every time you do a solve you're gonna get your pb 😊
For cfop it also 50 coups. If you learn Xcross and neutral face, 7-9 can make a pair. Also you made two pairs ( F2L) and it's like 10-12 moov. After you learn winter and summer variation, it's like 7-9 moov, OLL easy case, 8-9 moov and pll 13-14 It's 50 but without learn 1000 alg
Bro where did you pull those numbers from. Also you can’t use summer and winter variation every solve cause they require EO to be done and if you do use them you don’t also do OLL the same solve cause the whole point of summer and winter variation is that it skips OLL. F2L is up for debate in terms of movecount but if you just take Yiheng’s average movecount for F2L in his reconstructed ao100 it’s 32.5 moves. Then you forgot about AUF while calculating OLL and PLL so OLL is actually about 10+0.75 and PLL is 13.5+1.5 so the total for CFOP ends up being 58.25 moves on average. Even taking Kian Mansour’s theoretical estimate of perfect CFOP where he estimates F2L as low as 29 moves (8 move Xcross+7 moves per pair) that still only gets you to about 55 moves on average.
@@LiamHighducheck yeah but some alg (7 only) can help you. (W variation or summer variation + one of then ) and you had done the yellow face
@@cyrildubois1815 I don’t think you know what winter and summer variation are. Winter variation is a set of 27 algs that inserts a built pair into your last slot and solves OLL when and only when you have all the edges oriented. Summer variation also has 27 algs and does the same thing but with a split pair. I have a theory that what you actually mean by winter and summer variation is ZBLS (302 algs) or rather it’s simpler version, VHLS (32 algs) which inserts either a built or split pair while orienting the edges. This would also make sense as you’re saying there are 7 algs you can do after that step which fits with OCLL (OLL with edges oriented (has 7 algs)). So the overall method I think you’re talking about is F2L-1 > set up pair > VHLS > OCLL > PLL Which using perfect F2L numbers gives a movecount of 22 + ~4 + 9.5 + (7.9 + 0.75) + (13.5+1.5) = 59.15 which is actually worse than standard CFOP. I think this must also be what you meant because in your original comment you said OLL was 8-9 which fits with OCLL. Either way still not close to 50 moves.
Can you do a video on the 11 EO algs? I want to learn this
Do vids for fingertricks please Liam
Good video❤
I think I’ll stick with - less than 2 minutes! I’m in my 70’s and just can’t be bothered. . . . .
Do you think Lexus could be useful for someone who solves with Petrus? I think EOPair looks awful. But, it looks like learning some nice Lexus cases could help certain Petrus solves. I am trying to get sub-15 with as many methods as possible(I currently have Petrus, CFOP, CFCE, and ZZ. My Roux average is like 17). I like Petrus and think it can be faster.
EO pair is limited but i think the ideal advanced Petrus solver would combine steps like EO and 2 gen block-building to what is intuitively optimal. this would sometimes manifest with EO pair + LxS but it wouldn't be constricted to that and i know that kinda defeats the whole 'algorithmic aspect of APB but the algs in APb are extremely intuitive anyway.
I think it could because if you’re in the EO223 state, solving the back right pair then doing LXS is the most efficient 2 step way to solve the right block (we did some tests on this a while back). EOPair is a great alg set though, but of course recognition is a massive learning curve and the finger tricks can be quite complex. Good luck with your sub-15 journey!
What software are you using to create algs?
trangium's batch solver
sick
does anyone know if there would be a kind of mathematical formula that can 'calculate' the absolute minimal moves to get to the solution?
Yeah but it takes some time to calculate the best possible solution
I need to learn this
In how much time you will finish the tutorial? BTW Really interesting concept and video😀
Might regret saying this but hopefully in the next 48 hours
Subscribed.
this makes me wanna watch summoningsalt
As the first person who ever used this method as my main method, I would like to call you out for your deceptive title.
please make tutorial, this might not be great for me for 2h, but for OH i am willing to look into this
Roux is best for OH, there's no way you're going to learn to optimize all those algs for OH
Wouldn't this be pretty difficult for OH because you have to do algorithms that use middle slices?
@@yaboisbunker7744you use the table to do M moves, just look at good roux OH solvers
How fast would someone like Yiheng or Max take to solve a 3x3 if they learned APB?
Probably sub 10
I like how the method is literally called “a PB”
Bro i used to cube every day like 3-4 years ago then it stopped being intressting for me and i stopped but once in while i come across a speedcubing video and after watching this i was asking myself wtf has happend to speedcubing
Honestly this video was supposed to be really niche and had no business getting as many views as it did
I’m 1:52 ao12 with beginner method, learnt cubing 4 days ago. Should I switch to this, or should I learn some cfop algos first
I'm barely ahead of you in our journey, I just switched from beginner to cfop yesterday. I suggest getting good at beginner, then learning cfop. After that, you have a good grasp on how the cube works and what does and doesn't work. I'd finish learning cfop before you move on, but again, I'm still a beginner, only having started cubing 20 days ago.
I’d say it’s not a bad idea to try and learn CFOP first because right now this method is severely lacking beginner resources
This method probably isn’t that great for a beginner
I figured. Tks everyone for replying
Ah yes, the "A Bizzare Phantasm" method
Didn’t expect the video to be this good
Edited on mobile 💪💪
@@LiamHighducheck wtf actually?? I would not have the patience for that holy
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I originally learned the petras method, not knowing any other choices (and not having instructions) around 2003. This is a fantastic tutorial !! Now that im learning other cubes ive been learning other styles and moves with different operation orders
Or you could just use petrus (But fr good video, interesting idea)
What do you average on it? beginner or advanced idc... also this is possibly the most underrated channel I have ever seen. remember me when your famous lol...
Lmao thank you, I average around 11-12 seconds with full LXS, 5/7 ZBLL and 1 set of EOPair+solved EOPair. Recognition still isn’t the best and my FB leaves much to be desired but overall not too bad.
All pantheon bosses?