My brother Sebastian shows his big project of extracting iron from bog ore and black sand.
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That was an amazing oven, great execution, one of the best home made smelters I've seen. That harvest was impressive.
@DioDCynic Жыл бұрын
That's because magnetite has a much higher yield than hematite, and they ran a large amount of the black sand thru it between feedings. It boggles my mind how many hobbyists out there get even those most basic details right ... not tall enough, insufficient airflow, insufficient fuel, insufficient ore, etc. There are so many vids out there with the resulting bloom being tiny, uselessly impure and overfull of trapped slag, etc. It was refreshing to see someone do such a relatively good job.
@RovingPunster4 ай бұрын
Man literally made a minecraft grass block
@Frog_Pants3 жыл бұрын
he had a silk touch shovel
@smilysht2383 жыл бұрын
@@smilysht238 yes
@justblacx2 жыл бұрын
Ong
@uriah1389 Жыл бұрын
Smelted real life iron He is the Real Steve Tune in next time for him to carry lava buckets in his pocket
@Calebgoblin7 ай бұрын
I'm more impressed with the way y'all saved the sod
@shutupmanful3 жыл бұрын
Foreal, perfect squares
@alexeireyes40183 жыл бұрын
enough iron to potentially make 15 swords
@mikeb50637 ай бұрын
Wow thats the way to do it ...I see so many of these videos where people just don't value what theyre making and the resources going into them but you nailed it...a beautiful bloom and a huge homogenous piece of iron...very very cool Well done guys
@TalRohan8 ай бұрын
The last bloom was absolutely huge! 😯
@mrMacGoover3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, we did not expect to get such a big yield from the black sand!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
What’s the purpose of the bloom?
@styx62ga953 жыл бұрын
@@styx62ga95 The bloom contains the refined iron and slag, and the bloom is compacted to further refine the iron
@MarkJohnson-pg2oy3 жыл бұрын
At 07:03 onwards I enjoyed the dance😅.
@julioistendel8841 Жыл бұрын
@@styx62ga95 the bloom is spongy impure iron. To get it to a useable state it's hammered into a rectangular billet, drawn out in length, folded in half, reheated, and drawn out again. Done carefully this results in useful material. If you ever see old time iron objects that look like they have a faint wood grain it's the result of that purification folding process.
@joshschneider976614 күн бұрын
great quality video. as your friends sat around watching you guys I wondered how it would have been the same so many years ago with your ancestors. neat video 10/10
@rustyshillford19673 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind comment Rusty! :)
@jakobhalskov2 жыл бұрын
*Very impressive, I could see you guys on **_Survivor_** .* *Team Zebra (Day 2): "Wait a minute where did those guys get all the axes from?"* *Team Zebra (Day 4): "C'mon, those guys have a speargun and they're casting an engine!"*
@1nvisible1 Жыл бұрын
With the ancestors, there would have been more singing, beer, and mead.
@TimeSurfer2067 ай бұрын
This is what happens when there's no Renaissance Fair or cosplay event for these guys to attend.
@G.B.B.3 жыл бұрын
I love KZhead, ''I'm bored. lets make some Iron''
@70agrr3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, we are happy to share the experience with you!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Love how you're doing like next level blacksmithing in a suburban garden lol
@asmolbean93003 жыл бұрын
Actually this form of blacksmithing has been used in Denmark for at least 1300 years. Vikings don't ya know...
@joshschneider97663 жыл бұрын
Removing the lawn to place it back later at first had me convinced this must be Germany. :D
@Yora213 жыл бұрын
Hah, close! Denmark just north of Germany :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
@@jakobhalskov For now ....
@Sphere7233 жыл бұрын
@@Sphere723 pft Denmark was a founding member of nato, which now includes Germany.
@joshschneider976614 күн бұрын
Wow! Everything about this was beautiful, from the iron working to the scenery. You make me want to visit Denmark.
@jamespike51617 ай бұрын
From where did you get the bog ore?
@Malik_Youtube3 жыл бұрын
From a plowed field in Midtjylland, Denmark :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to make my own iron on and off (mostly off) for a little over a year now, most of that time spent gathering ore. A few things I tried to smelt it didn't work, but yesterday I had a very minor success using my diy gas forge as a bloom furnace. Most of the magnetite sand didn't smelt at all, but some worked out well and coalesced into a couple small melty looking pieces. This should help a lot in improving my process, thanks
@gamemeister272 жыл бұрын
Cool, we wish you the very best luck with the process and journey this is! :)
@jakobhalskov2 жыл бұрын
The trick is it has to be a charcoal forge. In a gas forge there's nothing to add carbon to the iron.
@mr.curviac82772 жыл бұрын
@@anoncommenter6726 thanks for the info! It's been a long while since I've had a chance to try it, but I'll save this comment for next time
@gamemeister277 ай бұрын
@@gamemeister27carbon is needed to reduce the iron oxide into iron, to do the same in gas stove you would need to burn hydrogen or carbon monoxide.
@williamkao57477 ай бұрын
@@williamkao5747 So it was designed as a gas forge, but I did this by burning charcoal inside it and stuck a blower in the torch hole
@gamemeister277 ай бұрын
I have to say...your soil is magnificent. Here in North Texas, our ground is mostly rock and infertile and must be heavily modified to make things grow
@joshua46253 жыл бұрын
Yeah, we got great soil here in Denmark - more than 60% of the country is used for farming and growing crops.
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic bloom! And I love your technique with the magnet.
@moseshorowitz43457 ай бұрын
Thats a really cool project, and nice to see you went all the way, well done.
@mrnobodyinvr97622 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr Nobody! :)
@jakobhalskov2 жыл бұрын
@@jakobhalskov Super cool, and really you couldnt have done it better I dont think, your collection and separation really gave you a good volume of material, and for Me, really gives a good idea of what a more ironcentric village might have produced way back when at the beginning of time. Really cool, and I bet all your friends who helped will Never forget that.
@mrnobodyinvr97622 жыл бұрын
This is very cool that you did this with just some friends in your yard.
@skipmage3 жыл бұрын
Thanks skipmage! It was great fun. :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Hello! I just stumbled onto your video and I am really glad that I did! Your skills and resourcefulness are amazing! Thank you for sharing that process with us! I subscribed. All the best!
@schmiedemesser_Jasmine3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your kind words :) Wish you the best
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
You are crasy my friend! Great work!
@peterwalter36633 жыл бұрын
When you threw the sawdust in during the preheat 😂👍. Definitely sharing this one. Great video. Subbed
@midnightgardener83463 жыл бұрын
Hah, thanks! I do my best to add a bit of fun and silliness to my life and these videos :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Not surprising the magnetically separated material produced a giant bloom it had to be hundreds of times purer than that bog ore. Also multiple tappings moved most of the slag left out and away. Pretty genius.
@joshschneider97663 жыл бұрын
I'm actually surprised about how much stuff there is in the sand. I know it's sand but I thought the iron content would be much higher! Makes sense now that I actually think about it though, it's sand not powdered iron 😅
@amogusenjoyer16 күн бұрын
@@amogusenjoyerYeah the magnetic separation prior to smelting was absolutely genius. Took away a huge amount of the slag before it even melted
@joshschneider976614 күн бұрын
You can easily make a magnetic drum separator to take the magnetite out. That way you can process more material, and make multiple runs, reducing the extraneous matter.
@uncletiggermclaren75928 ай бұрын
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@lancemillward19127 ай бұрын
Great video I wasn’t expecting to see so few views when I saw the counter. Keep up the great content
@mattparks9543 жыл бұрын
Thanks MP! We will soon release more videos :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. Thanks for sharing this experience with us.
@stormelemental133 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
the tapping method for the slag was new to me, very interesting and effective!
@Zahboo7 ай бұрын
The playground at my elementary school had some sort of black sand playlots. We would drag magnets thru it to collect the iron.
@johnnypk19633 жыл бұрын
Ah that sounds like fun! Here in Denmark I only know of one place where this black sand can be found.
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
What is the melted liquid we saw coming out when you punched out the slag? Was it flux?
@guiguipop36587 ай бұрын
Now it makes sense! my mom had this “beach”-saying: “Once you go black, you will never go back”. She is right afterall! Black is much harder, tougher, and can withstand a multi-hour “warm-up” - and still keep on hammering and smashing the bloom! For hours!!
@magnusskyt10Күн бұрын
Could the silica found in the quartz act as a flux that's pre-mixed in with the ore?
@declankim29773 жыл бұрын
I'm weirdly amazed! I just watched a Viking BBQ party...😁
@saalkz.a.97153 жыл бұрын
That was really awesome!
@stephensmith37085 ай бұрын
Reminds me a bit of how tamahagane is made. Great work!
@frankfusselman7 ай бұрын
That soil was amazing. It just came up in nice square chunks.
@ismlamaroof64387 ай бұрын
Great video man.😊
@davidhaines66567 ай бұрын
Man that is gorgeous
@delsinhays64218 ай бұрын
Wow, wonderful. Thank you for sharing this video :)
@W3DEStudio3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you are so welcome!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Super cool!
@KaoV19833 жыл бұрын
Fedt knægte, det var godt arbejde. Held og lykke fremover!
@noahwail24447 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@giovannisartori89833 жыл бұрын
You are welcome! We hope to soon show The iron being used for an upcoming project:)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
good ole' black sand, always with its high purity benefit!
@Metal_Master_YT7 ай бұрын
Looks like a bloody good weekend
@twistyturd3 жыл бұрын
It was indeed! Iron extraction, sun (and a beer)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
great video!
@d.andysprospecting4 ай бұрын
Very cool video you have here!
@ston3dr3dneck183 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Nice anvil, sledge and box with oh my word.
@pathagorous17 ай бұрын
Damn fine work!
@brandon8968ford3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brandon!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Do u lose any iron once u remove the lump from the oven? Seemed like some was lost but idk what I am looking at really
@nevasoba59537 ай бұрын
The big pieces you see falling off is part of the furnace walls and slag that is stuck to the bloom. But we did loose some iron that did not stick properly to the bloom, though that can be used in a future smelt.
@jakobhalskov7 ай бұрын
awesome, can't wait to try for myself! Don't forget to make a movie about the forging process
@Atlaspower783 жыл бұрын
We did some of it today and will soon have video ready! Thanks for your interest :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
You have fantastic top soil.
@teabagmcpick8898 ай бұрын
"It was known among local nobility that whoever was able to draw the sword from the stone will be the one true king" This is a fantastic demonstration of an iron age foundry For years I've been trying to explain and convince people that this is the reference of legend of how King Arthur drawing the sword from the stone. The process you used in beating the bloom into shape and finally into an object on the anvil, is called drawing, a term used for many centuries and still used today. Maybe unintentionally you have provided proof of concept that King of all Britons King Arthur once worked river stone or black sand to draw from it his sword and thereby proving his right to be king.
@cubicinches187 ай бұрын
Lol so you're saying that before swords were even invented, random farmers and villagers had theorized a process of creating a weapon out of purified stone? You're saying nobody had ever made a sword before, but they had terminology for the smithing process? "Drawing" is only one step in smithing anyway. It's _possible_ that some people called smithing "drawing" but I'm pretty sure they mostly called it "smithing" or "forging" 🙄 It's nice to play around with ideas, but you said that you've been trying to convince people of your theory... Are you telling me you just made up this theory, assumed you were right about it, and now for years you've been attempting to rewrite history to make yourself look smart?
@Leto_07 ай бұрын
@@Leto_0 Firstly nincompoop This process developed over hundreds if not thousands of years through the bronze age making axes knives and such. The rest of your remark clearly shows you have never completed an apprentiship in the metal trades. The blast furnace was not invented until 1709 by Abraham Darby so how do you propose iron was wrought from stone? In fact what made Britain so attractive to the Romans was the tin and copper mining and the production of bronze on the island.
@cubicinches187 ай бұрын
@@Leto_0 Duh! I didn't say Arthur invented the sword I have merely pointed out how words and expressions can be misconstrued by accademics in their retelling and interpretation of ancient tales (Bible being the prime example). The quote I use is from Mallory's "Mort de Arthur" so rather than some fanciful miracale of a ready made sword being pulled out of a boulder by a boy, wouldn't the more likely story be of an apprentice smith making a sword from ore to the final weapon. Clearly you have no background in the trade as a Smith is the tradesman, forging as in the heating source and drawing or wroughting as in the working of the metal with heat. The blast furnace wasn't invented until 1709 by Abraham Darby and until then all iron was drawn by hand or later with steam hammers wrought. The terms you were grasping for were "Drawing" and Wrought" as in "wrought iron" There is a term called forge welding where one uses the forge to weld two pieces together which paradoxically isn't actually welding. The Myths and Legends of King Arthur are not history I merely wish to see how a story can develope from it's origins. And so a Legend morphs into a myth.
@cubicinches187 ай бұрын
Big iron glob. Wonderful
@Wizard_Pepsi7 ай бұрын
Oh my god the way the dirt came out in solid blocks when they were shovelling is so satisfying
@carlosvarona2203 жыл бұрын
Yeah, our old Boy Scout skills come into great use here :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
I remember that from old Boy Scout Manuals but the new ones don’t have that anymore I think.
@josephpadula22837 ай бұрын
Omg, that boom is sooooo big !!!!
@menefacasartesanais68353 жыл бұрын
If you were ever stranded on an island, I’m not so sure you would need to be rescued. That was pretty good. Thank you for sharing!
@machineman64983 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that is nice of you! :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
That oven was impressive and that ball of iron surprisingly YUGE! You earned yourself a sub good Sir 😊
@DelightfulDissident3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words! We will soon be back with new videos :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
I love how much effort, time and money goes into this, because it is simply cool. It would be much easier to melt down some scrap iron. But what's the fun in that? :D
@Scapestoat7 ай бұрын
That was owsom,,, let us do that again we love this video project
@user-ch8xe5lf3c2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Great work. You guys are metal af.. hahaha 🤘😎🤘
@distorted_imagination7 ай бұрын
That was pretty cool, but what do you do with the bloom now? Am I correct that it is actually steel rather than iron due to having a high carbon content? So it needs to be folded in a forge and over an anvil to reduce the carbon content and other silicate impurities?
@phillipsusi17913 жыл бұрын
It will be iron/carburized steel with slag mixed throughout. It will need to be worked hot to expel the slag and consolidate the metallic content.
@kovona3 жыл бұрын
@@kovona If you get it completely molten, won't the slag and steel settle into different layers due to gravity and their different density? Like oil and water separating? Then you can just skim off the iron/steel? Is that what blast furnaces do? ( I really should know this seeing as my grandpa worked in a blast furnace all his life ).
@phillipsusi17913 жыл бұрын
@@phillipsusi1791 They did that with pig/cast iron, but cast iron has a lot of carbon in it which lowers the melting temperature (to about 1100-1200'C). The excess carbon also makes it more brittle and less malleable, and impossible to do forge work with. Wrought iron and steel has much less carbon in it, so the melting temperature is higher (above 1400'C), too high for the simple charcoal fueled furnaces of antiquity and middle-ages to melt completely. Since smiths couldn't reliably get the iron to melt, forging it to expel slag and consolidate the iron/steel was the next best thing. Note, there was also another process in which iron ore was first smelted and processed into cast iron to remove the slag, then the cast iron was remelted over and over again in a finery forge to burn off excess carbon and turn the cast iron into wrought iron. Later on, they expanded the process with the puddling furnace, where a pool of molten cast iron was stirred with iron rods to help carbon burn off. As carbon was reduced and the melting temperature of the iron increased, the solidifying iron stuck onto the rods and formed balls of refined wrought iron. This "puddled" wrought iron was a lot purer and had different properties to the old bloomery type wrought iron.
@kovona3 жыл бұрын
thank you this is very helpful and will help me alot in projects
@wolfarmybg195 Жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that - wish you the best!
@jakobhalskov Жыл бұрын
@@jakobhalskov hey so what kind of magnet do you use and can you find patches of that sand
@wolfarmybg195 Жыл бұрын
@@jakobhalskov because you inspired me to start to forge
@wolfarmybg195 Жыл бұрын
Used a strong industrial magnet i borrowed from a friend, think you could use one of those they use for magnet fishing. As for the sand, found it on the beaches of north western Jutland. I dont know how common magnetite sand is on other beaches
@jakobhalskov7 ай бұрын
Hello, do also this things. But with bought ore. No i want to search it. Germany is not so far away. Where in Denmark you found it?
@holgerkueper9 ай бұрын
When I was a kid I would use the 2 Tupperware bowls one had the strong magnet the other had the surface area I would rub on sand when you wanted to remove the filings lift sealed bowl and place the surface bowl in the container. My uncle worked for Lockheed so got me a high tech magnet well high tech for the 80s.
@bryanduke19732 жыл бұрын
Nice that you seem to involve your family and friends, that is a very good culture.
@lukasgelu18347 ай бұрын
Those northern countries people are very close typically.
@diktatoralexander882 ай бұрын
I didn't quite understand why you were doing it this way to begin with until you broke the first one open, and then I got it immediately. Imagine in the old days when they first figured out such things by accident.
@kingjoe3rd7 ай бұрын
Awesome job 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
@mainemade3003 жыл бұрын
Absolutely cool video, makes me want to go there and try this. How would your results been if you used coal instead of charcoal?
@gomergomez198410 ай бұрын
You would risk making cast iron, which is unforgeable and it's not exactly easy to oxidise the carbon to make it into steel at home, but can be done. There is also the risk of introducing sulfur from the coal which isn't desirable. Charcoal burn fast and clean.
@jakobhalskov10 ай бұрын
Wait how did you find black sand in Denmark ?
@DanskerneFraDanmark7 ай бұрын
At the west coast of Northern Jutland, i didn't know we had it either before i stumbled upon it. It must be something with how the waves is that sorts the sand -Sebastian
@jakobhalskov7 ай бұрын
very cool!
@chevy12213 жыл бұрын
Hot DAMN that was a massive iron bloom! Man, I cannot wait to make my own iron again. Did it twice with my friends back in school, alas, I ended up getting nothing from the smelts. Ack!
@Erikreaver6 ай бұрын
@primativetechnology - did they have magnets "back in the day"? I feel like this is a good way of getting a bloom if it fits the genre.
@ryan_roga Жыл бұрын
Think magnets to have a significant strength to do this is only know for a few hundreds year (i could be wrong).To my knowledge there have not been used magnetic separation of ore in a historical content.
@jakobhalskov10 ай бұрын
@@jakobhalskov I mean magnetic rocks have been around as long as rock itself. I am sure our ancestors would have picked up magnetic rocks and thought "I wonder what would happen if I melt all this together".
@ryan_roga10 ай бұрын
Have you considered making your own charcoal? I mean, you probably have made some. But is it worth the effort, once you have the setup figured out? :)
@Scapestoat7 ай бұрын
Not worth the neighbor complaints with the smoke in an urban neighborhood. Have made charcoal on a small scale before. it would be fun to make a larger batch of charcoal if I get access to cheap/free wood and a place outside of the city. Not sure if it is profitable to make my own charcoal if i need to purchase the wood. -Sebastian
@jakobhalskov7 ай бұрын
@@jakobhalskov Oof! I had not even considered the neighbour complaints. Yeah, we can all do with fewer neighbour issues. :) I suppose it is the kind of project you can do if you own or manage a piece of woodland, and otherwise we're just left dreaming. :)
@Scapestoat7 ай бұрын
1:40 me and the boys digging grass blocks after finding a silk touch shovel
@bilbo_gamers641710 ай бұрын
That was a big ole chunk!
@shanepowers75663 жыл бұрын
Yeah, bigger than we hoped for!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
They have made Tamahagane, the classic Japanese steel used to make Katanas!!
@simonjackson72698 ай бұрын
I've wanted to do this with black sand for years
@liquidateddamages62203 жыл бұрын
Excellent - swords and off to that island to the southwest!
@heyyou1507 ай бұрын
Thats the way my furnaces are. Great video Jakob but I make open hearth furnace and melt brass, bronze and aluminum.
@rondelby2482 Жыл бұрын
Why did you take out the blum so soon? To burn off impurities.
@assassinlexx19933 жыл бұрын
You could use a sluice box right on the beach, that way you are bringing mostly black sand home and leaving the other sands behind.
@pedrowhack-a-mole67868 ай бұрын
How much bloom from the 70 kg ore ?I can't grasp it ...
@francis81553 ай бұрын
Look at that soil. Nice.
@pathagorous17 ай бұрын
Did you pan any of the sand off to check for gold/gem content?
@74KU Жыл бұрын
We did not pan any of the sand for gold, but don't think the conditions at the beach would concentrate gold in any significant amount. At 0:48 you can see the "gems", the brown is most likely garnets, green olive and clear and pink is quarts, but they are sub mm in size; regards Sebastian
@jakobhalskov Жыл бұрын
Crazy amount of effort and energy being spent back then. We owe so much to technology
@Leto_07 ай бұрын
A part of the reason why Denmark went from being covered in forrest to only having primarily commercial forrest
@jakobhalskov7 ай бұрын
That was amazing
@Lumina_Secca3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr Ochim!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
You work way too hard for such little subscribers
@zapzap34143 жыл бұрын
Thanks, We take that as a compliment! More People will hopefully start following over time. Have a nice day!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Nice last yield. How much does a bloom typically reduce in volume when fully compacted ? I have a lot of redly colored hill magnetite here. I find the idea of doing an old fashion coalpile and smelts rather tempting :)
@ogreunderbridge52046 ай бұрын
From the raw bloom to forged into usable bars you lose about 1/3 in weight, a combination of slag and forge scale
@jakobhalskov6 ай бұрын
if you fold it a few times it is not unlikely you are only left with 1/4 of the starting bloom. So make more than you think you need. The 1/3 loss is mostly in the first compaction. Sorry for the potential confusion. -Sebastian
@jakobhalskov6 ай бұрын
@@jakobhalskov Life is learning by confusion, revision of detail is a step process. I appreciate both it and that you bother to add correction. Thanks :) I figure from observing scaling from impact working any mass manufactured iron/steel, there will be losses of mass at any process of compaction shaping. Carbon reduction, impurities etc. Thinking of it, it does sound much like the Bessimer... On mere ish assumption; How much stronger could a traditional poured steel cast anvil become, compared to one well forged in iron ?
@ogreunderbridge52046 ай бұрын
A comment on the Bessimer process; the iron in a blommery dose not really melt. Though planning on doing a video on hearth fining iron, to reduce phosphorus and slag, maybe make some steel. With out promising anything. About the strength, using tensile strength as a proxy for strength/toughness/quality. As from the 2 articles I can find on strength of bloom/wrought iron. Bloom/wrought iron have a tensile strenght of 200-300 MPa. The samples was probably not heat treated, though the low C content is not allowing for much hardening. In comparison to 4140 alloy (common tool steel) have a tensile strength of 900-1500 MPa. after heat treatment. Not in any way a one to one comparison but might give a ballpark feeling of the difference, might be completely wrong. One "common" failure of old forged anvils is the horn and heel gets knocked off with sufficient abuse, because the anvil is forge welded together from multiple pieces. But there are also many anvils that have not broken in that way. -Sebastian
@jakobhalskov6 ай бұрын
Have you added any flux? Or both bog ore and iron sand have enough fluxing content already?
@Angelo-tc8wz3 жыл бұрын
We did not add any flux for this iron extraction process - later when forging it to more solid/compact iron, Borax is used to help with this.
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Where I live black sand consists of oil....was the wheel barrow just for video ? Couldn't help but notice one bag of charcoal in it. Coulda just carried that eh ?
@adamrodgers91753 жыл бұрын
It was just one of the lasts bags my brother carried in when I came by with my camera :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Like it so much. Best way to pass time. Hope to do it myself one day
@wmustafatube Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words Waleed! I hope you will get the chance to try this one some day :) Best wishes // J
@jakobhalskov Жыл бұрын
I love this kind of stuff..I have a foundry and melt aluminum and brass and bronze. I make bells...
@rondelby24822 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron, good to hear from you - I have a dream of getting into designing and casting 5-10kg bronze bell one day. Currently working on a bigger electrical furnace for burning out plaster molds.
@jakobhalskov2 жыл бұрын
@@jakobhalskov So far I have made a 6 inch brass bell but I make large aluminum bells I mix zinc with the aluminum and the ring is much better...I plan to do an 8 inch bell of brass soon. I use medium fine sand from local farm store and bentonite pond clay. for the molds
@rondelby24822 жыл бұрын
@@rondelby2482 Lovely! How do you make the shape of the molds? And do you make them for yourself or to order for other people?
@jakobhalskov2 жыл бұрын
@@jakobhalskov Hi Jacob I buy real bells from antique stores or plastic ones that look enough like a bell. I have a bottom wood box and fill it with sand. I pack the false bell with sand like making a sand castle. I put it in center. of bottom sand filled box. Then I press the sand tight around rim of the false bell real tight...Then I use baby powder and sift around that and also the bell pattern (false bell) At top of false bell I use a cut off pipe and put it in the middle of top of false bell...My cope box has angle iron pieces on all 4 corners so it will stay aligned. I put the top cope box over it and pack sand all around the outside of the false bell and pack tight all way yp to top pipe on the bell pattern....I take the pipe and swirl it a making a cone shape and then I pull it out... get a stiff clothe hanger wire and make little holes by sinking wire over bell pattern top. This will help wit releases of any gas trapped in the mold.I lift the top box off of the bottom and gently set it aside. I tap the false bell and lift it off which leaves a bell shaped core. Then sit the box down and the angle iron pieces slide down to the bottom with cope box...I fillaround the outside with sand to keep bottom from leaking.. Then I pour the bell. ...
@rondelby24822 жыл бұрын
Why are Scandinavian people so chill?
@andrewlast1535 Жыл бұрын
That is so awesome. I also really want to win my own steel for my knives someday.
@HANDFORGED3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :)
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
I don't know who you are or what organization you are with but that was a very awesome video I have one bit of advice though try surrounding the furnace and a layer of cob to try and contain more heat in the end it still worked so that just might help in the future
@christianestes27893 жыл бұрын
We are just some young guys new to this and we are learning a lot from every time we try this. Thanks for the advise!
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
Ever done in Denmark???
@jens-eriklangstrand1689Ай бұрын
Looks like the furnace was destroyed a bit with each use. Sad to see all the work fall apart
@colecook8347 ай бұрын
I want to find iron ore and sell it for steel making because of this video!
@johnhagan7742 Жыл бұрын
Hope this will be possible for you! 😀
@jakobhalskov Жыл бұрын
Well, didnt know i needed that, but everyday is a day for learning 🤟
@alexanderberg15537 ай бұрын
Estimation of how much all that charcoal cost?
@supjay39453 жыл бұрын
We bought around 300 kilograms of charcoal at price around 2400 DKK ≈ 400 USD for four runs of iron extraction.
@jakobhalskov3 жыл бұрын
How many long did The smelting take how many Times did you need to get The slag out?
@matitossavainen20312 жыл бұрын
Around 6-8 hours as far as I can remember.. slag removed once an hour.
That was an amazing oven, great execution, one of the best home made smelters I've seen. That harvest was impressive.
That's because magnetite has a much higher yield than hematite, and they ran a large amount of the black sand thru it between feedings. It boggles my mind how many hobbyists out there get even those most basic details right ... not tall enough, insufficient airflow, insufficient fuel, insufficient ore, etc. There are so many vids out there with the resulting bloom being tiny, uselessly impure and overfull of trapped slag, etc. It was refreshing to see someone do such a relatively good job.
Man literally made a minecraft grass block
he had a silk touch shovel
@@smilysht238 yes
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Smelted real life iron He is the Real Steve Tune in next time for him to carry lava buckets in his pocket
I'm more impressed with the way y'all saved the sod
Foreal, perfect squares
enough iron to potentially make 15 swords
Wow thats the way to do it ...I see so many of these videos where people just don't value what theyre making and the resources going into them but you nailed it...a beautiful bloom and a huge homogenous piece of iron...very very cool Well done guys
The last bloom was absolutely huge! 😯
Yeah, we did not expect to get such a big yield from the black sand!
What’s the purpose of the bloom?
@@styx62ga95 The bloom contains the refined iron and slag, and the bloom is compacted to further refine the iron
At 07:03 onwards I enjoyed the dance😅.
@@styx62ga95 the bloom is spongy impure iron. To get it to a useable state it's hammered into a rectangular billet, drawn out in length, folded in half, reheated, and drawn out again. Done carefully this results in useful material. If you ever see old time iron objects that look like they have a faint wood grain it's the result of that purification folding process.
great quality video. as your friends sat around watching you guys I wondered how it would have been the same so many years ago with your ancestors. neat video 10/10
Thanks for your kind comment Rusty! :)
*Very impressive, I could see you guys on **_Survivor_** .* *Team Zebra (Day 2): "Wait a minute where did those guys get all the axes from?"* *Team Zebra (Day 4): "C'mon, those guys have a speargun and they're casting an engine!"*
With the ancestors, there would have been more singing, beer, and mead.
This is what happens when there's no Renaissance Fair or cosplay event for these guys to attend.
I love KZhead, ''I'm bored. lets make some Iron''
Yeah, we are happy to share the experience with you!
Love how you're doing like next level blacksmithing in a suburban garden lol
Actually this form of blacksmithing has been used in Denmark for at least 1300 years. Vikings don't ya know...
Removing the lawn to place it back later at first had me convinced this must be Germany. :D
Hah, close! Denmark just north of Germany :)
@@jakobhalskov For now ....
@@Sphere723 pft Denmark was a founding member of nato, which now includes Germany.
Wow! Everything about this was beautiful, from the iron working to the scenery. You make me want to visit Denmark.
From where did you get the bog ore?
From a plowed field in Midtjylland, Denmark :)
I've been trying to make my own iron on and off (mostly off) for a little over a year now, most of that time spent gathering ore. A few things I tried to smelt it didn't work, but yesterday I had a very minor success using my diy gas forge as a bloom furnace. Most of the magnetite sand didn't smelt at all, but some worked out well and coalesced into a couple small melty looking pieces. This should help a lot in improving my process, thanks
Cool, we wish you the very best luck with the process and journey this is! :)
The trick is it has to be a charcoal forge. In a gas forge there's nothing to add carbon to the iron.
@@anoncommenter6726 thanks for the info! It's been a long while since I've had a chance to try it, but I'll save this comment for next time
@@gamemeister27carbon is needed to reduce the iron oxide into iron, to do the same in gas stove you would need to burn hydrogen or carbon monoxide.
@@williamkao5747 So it was designed as a gas forge, but I did this by burning charcoal inside it and stuck a blower in the torch hole
I have to say...your soil is magnificent. Here in North Texas, our ground is mostly rock and infertile and must be heavily modified to make things grow
Yeah, we got great soil here in Denmark - more than 60% of the country is used for farming and growing crops.
What a fantastic bloom! And I love your technique with the magnet.
Thats a really cool project, and nice to see you went all the way, well done.
Thanks Mr Nobody! :)
@@jakobhalskov Super cool, and really you couldnt have done it better I dont think, your collection and separation really gave you a good volume of material, and for Me, really gives a good idea of what a more ironcentric village might have produced way back when at the beginning of time. Really cool, and I bet all your friends who helped will Never forget that.
This is very cool that you did this with just some friends in your yard.
Thanks skipmage! It was great fun. :)
Hello! I just stumbled onto your video and I am really glad that I did! Your skills and resourcefulness are amazing! Thank you for sharing that process with us! I subscribed. All the best!
Thank you very much for your kind words :) Wish you the best
You are crasy my friend! Great work!
When you threw the sawdust in during the preheat 😂👍. Definitely sharing this one. Great video. Subbed
Hah, thanks! I do my best to add a bit of fun and silliness to my life and these videos :)
Not surprising the magnetically separated material produced a giant bloom it had to be hundreds of times purer than that bog ore. Also multiple tappings moved most of the slag left out and away. Pretty genius.
I'm actually surprised about how much stuff there is in the sand. I know it's sand but I thought the iron content would be much higher! Makes sense now that I actually think about it though, it's sand not powdered iron 😅
@@amogusenjoyerYeah the magnetic separation prior to smelting was absolutely genius. Took away a huge amount of the slag before it even melted
You can easily make a magnetic drum separator to take the magnetite out. That way you can process more material, and make multiple runs, reducing the extraneous matter.
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Great video I wasn’t expecting to see so few views when I saw the counter. Keep up the great content
Thanks MP! We will soon release more videos :)
This is awesome. Thanks for sharing this experience with us.
Our pleasure!
the tapping method for the slag was new to me, very interesting and effective!
The playground at my elementary school had some sort of black sand playlots. We would drag magnets thru it to collect the iron.
Ah that sounds like fun! Here in Denmark I only know of one place where this black sand can be found.
What is the melted liquid we saw coming out when you punched out the slag? Was it flux?
Now it makes sense! my mom had this “beach”-saying: “Once you go black, you will never go back”. She is right afterall! Black is much harder, tougher, and can withstand a multi-hour “warm-up” - and still keep on hammering and smashing the bloom! For hours!!
Could the silica found in the quartz act as a flux that's pre-mixed in with the ore?
I'm weirdly amazed! I just watched a Viking BBQ party...😁
That was really awesome!
Reminds me a bit of how tamahagane is made. Great work!
That soil was amazing. It just came up in nice square chunks.
Great video man.😊
Man that is gorgeous
Wow, wonderful. Thank you for sharing this video :)
Thanks, you are so welcome!
Super cool!
Fedt knægte, det var godt arbejde. Held og lykke fremover!
Thank you for sharing!
You are welcome! We hope to soon show The iron being used for an upcoming project:)
good ole' black sand, always with its high purity benefit!
Looks like a bloody good weekend
It was indeed! Iron extraction, sun (and a beer)
great video!
Very cool video you have here!
Thank you very much!
Nice anvil, sledge and box with oh my word.
Damn fine work!
Thanks Brandon!
Do u lose any iron once u remove the lump from the oven? Seemed like some was lost but idk what I am looking at really
The big pieces you see falling off is part of the furnace walls and slag that is stuck to the bloom. But we did loose some iron that did not stick properly to the bloom, though that can be used in a future smelt.
awesome, can't wait to try for myself! Don't forget to make a movie about the forging process
We did some of it today and will soon have video ready! Thanks for your interest :)
You have fantastic top soil.
"It was known among local nobility that whoever was able to draw the sword from the stone will be the one true king" This is a fantastic demonstration of an iron age foundry For years I've been trying to explain and convince people that this is the reference of legend of how King Arthur drawing the sword from the stone. The process you used in beating the bloom into shape and finally into an object on the anvil, is called drawing, a term used for many centuries and still used today. Maybe unintentionally you have provided proof of concept that King of all Britons King Arthur once worked river stone or black sand to draw from it his sword and thereby proving his right to be king.
Lol so you're saying that before swords were even invented, random farmers and villagers had theorized a process of creating a weapon out of purified stone? You're saying nobody had ever made a sword before, but they had terminology for the smithing process? "Drawing" is only one step in smithing anyway. It's _possible_ that some people called smithing "drawing" but I'm pretty sure they mostly called it "smithing" or "forging" 🙄 It's nice to play around with ideas, but you said that you've been trying to convince people of your theory... Are you telling me you just made up this theory, assumed you were right about it, and now for years you've been attempting to rewrite history to make yourself look smart?
@@Leto_0 Firstly nincompoop This process developed over hundreds if not thousands of years through the bronze age making axes knives and such. The rest of your remark clearly shows you have never completed an apprentiship in the metal trades. The blast furnace was not invented until 1709 by Abraham Darby so how do you propose iron was wrought from stone? In fact what made Britain so attractive to the Romans was the tin and copper mining and the production of bronze on the island.
@@Leto_0 Duh! I didn't say Arthur invented the sword I have merely pointed out how words and expressions can be misconstrued by accademics in their retelling and interpretation of ancient tales (Bible being the prime example). The quote I use is from Mallory's "Mort de Arthur" so rather than some fanciful miracale of a ready made sword being pulled out of a boulder by a boy, wouldn't the more likely story be of an apprentice smith making a sword from ore to the final weapon. Clearly you have no background in the trade as a Smith is the tradesman, forging as in the heating source and drawing or wroughting as in the working of the metal with heat. The blast furnace wasn't invented until 1709 by Abraham Darby and until then all iron was drawn by hand or later with steam hammers wrought. The terms you were grasping for were "Drawing" and Wrought" as in "wrought iron" There is a term called forge welding where one uses the forge to weld two pieces together which paradoxically isn't actually welding. The Myths and Legends of King Arthur are not history I merely wish to see how a story can develope from it's origins. And so a Legend morphs into a myth.
Big iron glob. Wonderful
Oh my god the way the dirt came out in solid blocks when they were shovelling is so satisfying
Yeah, our old Boy Scout skills come into great use here :)
I remember that from old Boy Scout Manuals but the new ones don’t have that anymore I think.
Omg, that boom is sooooo big !!!!
If you were ever stranded on an island, I’m not so sure you would need to be rescued. That was pretty good. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks, that is nice of you! :)
That oven was impressive and that ball of iron surprisingly YUGE! You earned yourself a sub good Sir 😊
Thanks for your kind words! We will soon be back with new videos :)
I love how much effort, time and money goes into this, because it is simply cool. It would be much easier to melt down some scrap iron. But what's the fun in that? :D
That was owsom,,, let us do that again we love this video project
Amazing! Great work. You guys are metal af.. hahaha 🤘😎🤘
That was pretty cool, but what do you do with the bloom now? Am I correct that it is actually steel rather than iron due to having a high carbon content? So it needs to be folded in a forge and over an anvil to reduce the carbon content and other silicate impurities?
It will be iron/carburized steel with slag mixed throughout. It will need to be worked hot to expel the slag and consolidate the metallic content.
@@kovona If you get it completely molten, won't the slag and steel settle into different layers due to gravity and their different density? Like oil and water separating? Then you can just skim off the iron/steel? Is that what blast furnaces do? ( I really should know this seeing as my grandpa worked in a blast furnace all his life ).
@@phillipsusi1791 They did that with pig/cast iron, but cast iron has a lot of carbon in it which lowers the melting temperature (to about 1100-1200'C). The excess carbon also makes it more brittle and less malleable, and impossible to do forge work with. Wrought iron and steel has much less carbon in it, so the melting temperature is higher (above 1400'C), too high for the simple charcoal fueled furnaces of antiquity and middle-ages to melt completely. Since smiths couldn't reliably get the iron to melt, forging it to expel slag and consolidate the iron/steel was the next best thing. Note, there was also another process in which iron ore was first smelted and processed into cast iron to remove the slag, then the cast iron was remelted over and over again in a finery forge to burn off excess carbon and turn the cast iron into wrought iron. Later on, they expanded the process with the puddling furnace, where a pool of molten cast iron was stirred with iron rods to help carbon burn off. As carbon was reduced and the melting temperature of the iron increased, the solidifying iron stuck onto the rods and formed balls of refined wrought iron. This "puddled" wrought iron was a lot purer and had different properties to the old bloomery type wrought iron.
thank you this is very helpful and will help me alot in projects
Happy to hear that - wish you the best!
@@jakobhalskov hey so what kind of magnet do you use and can you find patches of that sand
@@jakobhalskov because you inspired me to start to forge
Used a strong industrial magnet i borrowed from a friend, think you could use one of those they use for magnet fishing. As for the sand, found it on the beaches of north western Jutland. I dont know how common magnetite sand is on other beaches
Hello, do also this things. But with bought ore. No i want to search it. Germany is not so far away. Where in Denmark you found it?
When I was a kid I would use the 2 Tupperware bowls one had the strong magnet the other had the surface area I would rub on sand when you wanted to remove the filings lift sealed bowl and place the surface bowl in the container. My uncle worked for Lockheed so got me a high tech magnet well high tech for the 80s.
Nice that you seem to involve your family and friends, that is a very good culture.
Those northern countries people are very close typically.
I didn't quite understand why you were doing it this way to begin with until you broke the first one open, and then I got it immediately. Imagine in the old days when they first figured out such things by accident.
Awesome job 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Absolutely cool video, makes me want to go there and try this. How would your results been if you used coal instead of charcoal?
You would risk making cast iron, which is unforgeable and it's not exactly easy to oxidise the carbon to make it into steel at home, but can be done. There is also the risk of introducing sulfur from the coal which isn't desirable. Charcoal burn fast and clean.
Wait how did you find black sand in Denmark ?
At the west coast of Northern Jutland, i didn't know we had it either before i stumbled upon it. It must be something with how the waves is that sorts the sand -Sebastian
very cool!
Hot DAMN that was a massive iron bloom! Man, I cannot wait to make my own iron again. Did it twice with my friends back in school, alas, I ended up getting nothing from the smelts. Ack!
@primativetechnology - did they have magnets "back in the day"? I feel like this is a good way of getting a bloom if it fits the genre.
Think magnets to have a significant strength to do this is only know for a few hundreds year (i could be wrong).To my knowledge there have not been used magnetic separation of ore in a historical content.
@@jakobhalskov I mean magnetic rocks have been around as long as rock itself. I am sure our ancestors would have picked up magnetic rocks and thought "I wonder what would happen if I melt all this together".
Have you considered making your own charcoal? I mean, you probably have made some. But is it worth the effort, once you have the setup figured out? :)
Not worth the neighbor complaints with the smoke in an urban neighborhood. Have made charcoal on a small scale before. it would be fun to make a larger batch of charcoal if I get access to cheap/free wood and a place outside of the city. Not sure if it is profitable to make my own charcoal if i need to purchase the wood. -Sebastian
@@jakobhalskov Oof! I had not even considered the neighbour complaints. Yeah, we can all do with fewer neighbour issues. :) I suppose it is the kind of project you can do if you own or manage a piece of woodland, and otherwise we're just left dreaming. :)
1:40 me and the boys digging grass blocks after finding a silk touch shovel
That was a big ole chunk!
Yeah, bigger than we hoped for!
They have made Tamahagane, the classic Japanese steel used to make Katanas!!
I've wanted to do this with black sand for years
Excellent - swords and off to that island to the southwest!
Thats the way my furnaces are. Great video Jakob but I make open hearth furnace and melt brass, bronze and aluminum.
Why did you take out the blum so soon? To burn off impurities.
You could use a sluice box right on the beach, that way you are bringing mostly black sand home and leaving the other sands behind.
How much bloom from the 70 kg ore ?I can't grasp it ...
Look at that soil. Nice.
Did you pan any of the sand off to check for gold/gem content?
We did not pan any of the sand for gold, but don't think the conditions at the beach would concentrate gold in any significant amount. At 0:48 you can see the "gems", the brown is most likely garnets, green olive and clear and pink is quarts, but they are sub mm in size; regards Sebastian
Crazy amount of effort and energy being spent back then. We owe so much to technology
A part of the reason why Denmark went from being covered in forrest to only having primarily commercial forrest
That was amazing
Thanks Mr Ochim!
You work way too hard for such little subscribers
Thanks, We take that as a compliment! More People will hopefully start following over time. Have a nice day!
Nice last yield. How much does a bloom typically reduce in volume when fully compacted ? I have a lot of redly colored hill magnetite here. I find the idea of doing an old fashion coalpile and smelts rather tempting :)
From the raw bloom to forged into usable bars you lose about 1/3 in weight, a combination of slag and forge scale
if you fold it a few times it is not unlikely you are only left with 1/4 of the starting bloom. So make more than you think you need. The 1/3 loss is mostly in the first compaction. Sorry for the potential confusion. -Sebastian
@@jakobhalskov Life is learning by confusion, revision of detail is a step process. I appreciate both it and that you bother to add correction. Thanks :) I figure from observing scaling from impact working any mass manufactured iron/steel, there will be losses of mass at any process of compaction shaping. Carbon reduction, impurities etc. Thinking of it, it does sound much like the Bessimer... On mere ish assumption; How much stronger could a traditional poured steel cast anvil become, compared to one well forged in iron ?
A comment on the Bessimer process; the iron in a blommery dose not really melt. Though planning on doing a video on hearth fining iron, to reduce phosphorus and slag, maybe make some steel. With out promising anything. About the strength, using tensile strength as a proxy for strength/toughness/quality. As from the 2 articles I can find on strength of bloom/wrought iron. Bloom/wrought iron have a tensile strenght of 200-300 MPa. The samples was probably not heat treated, though the low C content is not allowing for much hardening. In comparison to 4140 alloy (common tool steel) have a tensile strength of 900-1500 MPa. after heat treatment. Not in any way a one to one comparison but might give a ballpark feeling of the difference, might be completely wrong. One "common" failure of old forged anvils is the horn and heel gets knocked off with sufficient abuse, because the anvil is forge welded together from multiple pieces. But there are also many anvils that have not broken in that way. -Sebastian
Have you added any flux? Or both bog ore and iron sand have enough fluxing content already?
We did not add any flux for this iron extraction process - later when forging it to more solid/compact iron, Borax is used to help with this.
Where I live black sand consists of oil....was the wheel barrow just for video ? Couldn't help but notice one bag of charcoal in it. Coulda just carried that eh ?
It was just one of the lasts bags my brother carried in when I came by with my camera :)
Like it so much. Best way to pass time. Hope to do it myself one day
Thanks for your kind words Waleed! I hope you will get the chance to try this one some day :) Best wishes // J
I love this kind of stuff..I have a foundry and melt aluminum and brass and bronze. I make bells...
Thanks Ron, good to hear from you - I have a dream of getting into designing and casting 5-10kg bronze bell one day. Currently working on a bigger electrical furnace for burning out plaster molds.
@@jakobhalskov So far I have made a 6 inch brass bell but I make large aluminum bells I mix zinc with the aluminum and the ring is much better...I plan to do an 8 inch bell of brass soon. I use medium fine sand from local farm store and bentonite pond clay. for the molds
@@rondelby2482 Lovely! How do you make the shape of the molds? And do you make them for yourself or to order for other people?
@@jakobhalskov Hi Jacob I buy real bells from antique stores or plastic ones that look enough like a bell. I have a bottom wood box and fill it with sand. I pack the false bell with sand like making a sand castle. I put it in center. of bottom sand filled box. Then I press the sand tight around rim of the false bell real tight...Then I use baby powder and sift around that and also the bell pattern (false bell) At top of false bell I use a cut off pipe and put it in the middle of top of false bell...My cope box has angle iron pieces on all 4 corners so it will stay aligned. I put the top cope box over it and pack sand all around the outside of the false bell and pack tight all way yp to top pipe on the bell pattern....I take the pipe and swirl it a making a cone shape and then I pull it out... get a stiff clothe hanger wire and make little holes by sinking wire over bell pattern top. This will help wit releases of any gas trapped in the mold.I lift the top box off of the bottom and gently set it aside. I tap the false bell and lift it off which leaves a bell shaped core. Then sit the box down and the angle iron pieces slide down to the bottom with cope box...I fillaround the outside with sand to keep bottom from leaking.. Then I pour the bell. ...
Why are Scandinavian people so chill?
That is so awesome. I also really want to win my own steel for my knives someday.
Thanks! :)
I don't know who you are or what organization you are with but that was a very awesome video I have one bit of advice though try surrounding the furnace and a layer of cob to try and contain more heat in the end it still worked so that just might help in the future
We are just some young guys new to this and we are learning a lot from every time we try this. Thanks for the advise!
Ever done in Denmark???
Looks like the furnace was destroyed a bit with each use. Sad to see all the work fall apart
I want to find iron ore and sell it for steel making because of this video!
Hope this will be possible for you! 😀
Well, didnt know i needed that, but everyday is a day for learning 🤟
Estimation of how much all that charcoal cost?
We bought around 300 kilograms of charcoal at price around 2400 DKK ≈ 400 USD for four runs of iron extraction.
How many long did The smelting take how many Times did you need to get The slag out?
Around 6-8 hours as far as I can remember.. slag removed once an hour.