GeoWorks - The Windows 3.0 Alternative from 1990 (Installation & Demo)

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Today we're traveling back to 1990 to take a look at GeoWorks. This is an operating environment, just like Windows 3.0, but has some features that Windows doesn't. Let's take a look!
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  • Very cool to see this! I worked at GeoWorks as an intern in 1992, and wrote Poker and Black Jack that was released as part of a game pack. The reason GEOS ran so fast on limited hardware is because it was written 100% in x86 assembly language, with object-oriented extensions developed in-house. All development was done on Sun workstations tethered to an x86 PC. Unfortunately that also meant it was not the easiest platform to develop for which accounted for why it had almost no third-party software. Later on they did develop an SDK to allow development in C, and I believe GeoCalc was one of the first applications that was not written in assembly. I also worked on porting GEOS to the Casio/Tandy Zoomer PDA, and the Canon StarWriter which was a typewriter with a graphics display and ran GEOS natively.

    @18000rpm@18000rpm3 жыл бұрын
    • It really needed a version of BASIC and it was a mistake I think that it didn't come with one.

      @basicforge@basicforge3 жыл бұрын
    • Very interesting. I always wanted some kind of development tool for it "back in the day". The performance of the entire suite was just unmatched. Perfectly usable on an XT. Fantastic stuff.

      @ScottDuensing@ScottDuensing3 жыл бұрын
    • @@ScottDuensing I agree. OS/2 was also great.

      @basicforge@basicforge3 жыл бұрын
    • @@basicforge yep! Used to run that to do my DOS development. No matter how bad my code, I never brought the entire OS down! And being able to boot different versions of DOS at the same time in different windows? And use DOS hardware drivers? Madness.

      @ScottDuensing@ScottDuensing3 жыл бұрын
    • @@ScottDuensing Do you do any programming?

      @basicforge@basicforge3 жыл бұрын
  • That Windows xp lava lamp shows you that this guy's a professional.

    @catsdgs@catsdgs3 жыл бұрын
    • The windows xp profile pic shows that you are a professional :)

      @JadynSmells@JadynSmells3 жыл бұрын
    • Genius

      @Frrixy@Frrixy3 жыл бұрын
    • More like windows xp professional

      @TugAndThugComputing@TugAndThugComputing3 жыл бұрын
    • Lol

      @GigantTech@GigantTech3 жыл бұрын
    • I hope he's installed the securitry updates.

      @kirishima638@kirishima6383 жыл бұрын
  • 0:22 DOS for Dominating Operating System is a genius abbreviation

    @avi12@avi123 жыл бұрын
    • Dominating Operating System DOS

      @thescreemregular5168@thescreemregular51683 жыл бұрын
    • OH NO still not as dominant as windows in the 90's

      @thatkindofboi9955@thatkindofboi99553 жыл бұрын
    • That means Geoworks as a Dead Operating System

      @Headwyres@Headwyres3 жыл бұрын
  • GeoWorks also came on the Brother GeoBook laptop, released in 1998 as a low-cost alternative to Windows laptops of the era. It used an embedded version of the AMD 386SX processor and came with DOS and GeoWorks in ROM. It was also used by various PDAs and palmtop computers in the '90s.

    @vwestlife@vwestlife3 жыл бұрын
    • Shocking theft of intellectual property. Xerox should _sue._ 😁

      @-danR@-danR2 жыл бұрын
    • It was licensed they sold it with a embedded DOS to companies who wanted to make basically pre internet netbooks. They have 486 processors.

      @JeffreyPiatt@JeffreyPiatt9 ай бұрын
  • I o remember GEOS fondly. I had been a Commodore 128 user, and still have a working copy of GEOS 128 V 2.0 (at home). So naturally when our office got 386's with Windows 3.11, I rushed out to the local Comp USA (miss then lots) and bought the PC GEOS Ensemble. I installed it along side Windows and actually used GeoWrite quite a lot more than Word. You could call Windows up within GEOS,and then call another instance of GEOS from within Windows and call up Windows. Hours of mindless fun. Commodore GEOS was bundled with "Quantum Link". Not surprisingly PC GEOS was bundled with AOL. AOL used to be "PC Quantum Link". Thanks for posting.

    @jm131719@jm1317193 жыл бұрын
    • If I remember correctly, they also made a version of GEOS for the Apple II.

      @davidfrischknecht8261@davidfrischknecht82613 жыл бұрын
    • I had it on a Amstrad 8086 computer when i was a kid.

      @bdhale34@bdhale343 жыл бұрын
    • I still use my apple ii virison comes on 8 disks! Thankfully i use double sided 5 1/4 disks so it only takes up 4 but my god is that a lot

      @jacksong6226@jacksong62263 жыл бұрын
    • Tandy Computing was the only distributor able to stand up to Microsoft's predatory business practices. I had a Tandy TRS-80 with the Geos early on and they still sold it on their PC Clones as well. But MS finally won out - after all even IBM installed windows. [ If the hardware requirements for OS/2 weren't so steep ...I bought OS/2 right when the Taiwanese memory factory burnt down and ram was going for astronomical prices, but a 200mb hard drive cost 300 bucks back then as well. ]

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
    • I think the PC GEOS really did outperform everything else at that time.

      @basicforge@basicforge3 жыл бұрын
  • Cool video about GeoWorks. I used Breadbox Ensemble which is the successor of GeoWorks and I really liked using it. Thank you for the video.

    @historyb5786@historyb57863 жыл бұрын
  • Wow. I love how crisp the performance was! No noticable wait icon at all. Lightening quick the way nothing else looks today!

    @Hodenkat@Hodenkat3 жыл бұрын
    • That's the beauty of assembler I am told. Which related elsewhere here is why very few developers were interested in apps for Geos.

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
    • @@creakycracker API concept was not so widespread at those days indeed. With usable API Geos would have more devs in their side.

      @KrotowX@KrotowX3 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent Video! It is interesting to see an alternate DOS shell! What if in an alternate universe, GeoWorks became mainstream?

    @theincrediblehulk2865@theincrediblehulk28653 жыл бұрын
    • Yea that's what I wonder. It was literally superior to Windows in pretty much every way. Seems like wit worked well with DESQview too.

      @joeneighbor@joeneighbor Жыл бұрын
  • The best reason for running Geos over Windows was the printing! Geos supported many printers from Daisy Wheel to LaserJets with their own drivers. Geos could make the wimpiest 7 wire dot matrix output look like it was from a laser printer (if you didn't look closely and see the pin strikes). Granted it took many passes and many minutes to render but I used this feature to run Geos printouts through a copier and the recipients were not aware I didn't have a high-dollar laser printer. [Sad to see you couldn't show this feature, but USB printing won't work because of the nature of the low-level the drivers use to control the printers, but Parallel Port printers work fine. BTW if you pick Text Only instead of no printer in setup I believe the setup doesn't crash.]

    @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
    • That’s actually super cool. I noticed they used the same font as Mac OS for the applications, so I’m not surprised they had other typographic features like that. Your anecdote reminds me of reading people’s reception to IBM’s first variable-with typewriters :)

      @kaitlyn__L@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
  • You continue to come up with awesome video content. Love your channel MJD

    @gilly5809@gilly58093 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoy it! : )

      @MichaelMJD@MichaelMJD3 жыл бұрын
  • I never did use Geo even with the C64, but I did love my OS/2. Found memories of those days. Reading print magazines without of the nonsense we see today

    @LordHog@LordHog3 жыл бұрын
    • Definitely those magazines had almost only useful stuff without crapload of ads in comparing with today's ones.

      @KrotowX@KrotowX3 жыл бұрын
  • I used GeoWorks Pro when I was a kid I was given a 386 Compaq that had GeoWork Pro installed on it.

    @markitzero12@markitzero123 жыл бұрын
  • Wow, this is so cool! I can't believe I've never actually heard of this. I gotta try it out for myself sometime!

    @mjdxp5688@mjdxp56883 жыл бұрын
    • @@zzco That's ridiculously cool!

      @BilisNegra@BilisNegra3 жыл бұрын
  • I'm now thinking about switching from Windows 10 to Geoworks.

    @Silicontent@Silicontent3 жыл бұрын
    • Must be done🤣

      @NathanChisholm041@NathanChisholm0413 жыл бұрын
    • I’d go for it to help my internet addiction but people will think I’m mad

      @Triadii@Triadii3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video. My hate for 1990s Microsoft is fully rekindled ... I remember playing with the API of GEOS on the C64. It was a major technical feat of Berkeley Softworks to write a GUI for the C64, and I'm sure that this technical excellence was also in Geoworks.

    @halvarf@halvarf3 жыл бұрын
  • Keep up the great work michael

    @annapurnalolla8185@annapurnalolla81853 жыл бұрын
  • I used GeoWorks before Windows. I liked it more, but unfortunately the software went to the Microsoft side.

    @AnimalFacts@AnimalFacts3 жыл бұрын
    • Software development required a Sun workstation, vs homebrew folks using visual basic on any pc box with Windows. Not surprising this never gained traction, aside from the Microsoft business tactics.

      @oldtwinsna8347@oldtwinsna83473 жыл бұрын
    • @@oldtwinsna8347 Yet the Geos folks (Berkley Software?) finally decided to just develop for mobile phones and sold the OS to a company called New Deal and then it got picked up by Breadbox Computing. The Geos platform got a web browser (dialup only) and many refinements and widgets over the years. ( I still run Breadbox on a Panasonic laptop limited to 256mb of ram.)

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
    • @@oldtwinsna8347 As Steve Ballmer said: "Developers, Developers, Developers." And he was right. You can't increase the market share if you do not support the developers. The should have shipped it with an IDE and compiler and documents about the API. But it get's worse, today it is open source under the name PC/GEOS, but if you take a look into the code on github, it's all 16-Bit assembly language. With such a code base, it's very expensive and not easy to adapt to new hardware and its new features, like the i386 offered. It's no wonder Microsoft won.

      @OpenGL4ever@OpenGL4ever3 жыл бұрын
    • Interesting how Geoworks, OS/2 and React OS all have the resemblance of Windows though. I knew Windows is connected to DOS but I had no idea Geoworks, OS/2 and ReactOS were supposed to be connected to Dos too. Yes I am thinking on the same lines as how Mac is related to BSD and how Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, Gentoo and Red Hat are related to the Linux Kernal.

      @cabalenproductions6480@cabalenproductions64802 жыл бұрын
    • @@cabalenproductions6480 It's funny, but you're right. Windows is the most integrated OS right now. I am a huge lover of Linux and Unix. I think they are objectively better server environments. But starting with Windows XP, Microsoft became a true graphical OS rather than being an operating 'environment.' With Linux and even Mac OS, it's Unix or Linux running an operating environment on top of it. Even up until Windows 98, Windows ran on top of DOS.

      @stingerbee8346@stingerbee83462 жыл бұрын
  • Somewhere, in the world, somebody still uses this for their daily tasks.

    @Stennishh@Stennishh3 жыл бұрын
    • Yep. But I dual boot emmabuntus linux to use the internet. :)

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
    • @@creakycracker cap

      @justinianthegreatandnerd6377@justinianthegreatandnerd63772 жыл бұрын
  • Wow, that takes me back! In the late 80's I was studying to become a phototypesetter and layout/paste-up artist. Used my C64 with EasyScript to type it all up and GeoPublish (limited as it was) to format it, as much as I could for my dissertations. Fun times! Thanks for posting. Very cool!

    @mar10dg@mar10dg3 жыл бұрын
    • damn but geo publish was amazingly good.

      @ntrainride@ntrainride Жыл бұрын
  • I remember GeOS fondly, although we used it rarely since playing games was the primary function of our PCs that time. However I remember that the GeOS version of Tetris was the first tetris game I've ever played, in 1994. It was even lauded as better option to Windows 3.0 since it had superior fonts, at least according to an early nineties computing magazine I have stashed somewhere.... Appliances mode is also a unique feature of this operating environment: You could have the default apps on full screen with a big title bar instead window buttons, basically a modern smartphone app but with desktop features and capabilities. There supposed to be also a CD-ROM browser which had index data of popular CD titles. The breadbox versions also had a CD player app. GeOS had a very unique and professional look at the time. It's heartbreaking to see that the later breadbox versions became a pale imitation of Windows 9x.

    @negirno@negirno3 жыл бұрын
  • I'll definitely mess with this in a VM at some point.

    @Andrew982_@Andrew982_3 жыл бұрын
    • andrew982 it’s been open sourced now, it’s a great alternative to the Win3.11/MS-DOS combo, especially now people have had good luck installing it on FreeDOS as well.

      @amirpourghoureiyan1637@amirpourghoureiyan16373 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent review of Geoworks Michael! I would definitely enjoy further information about Breadbox.

    @Fredisaviewer@Fredisaviewer2 жыл бұрын
  • Great video as always! :D

    @dread1154@dread11543 жыл бұрын
  • I loved GEOS, going all the way back to my C64. I bought my copy in 1991, and loved it. So small and with low requirements, it ran on an XT class system as well as Win 3.1 did on an 80386-33. And GEOS and AOL goes back before it was even AOL. The original C64 GEOS shipped with Quantum Online, the company which would become AOL. And their DOS windowing shell program for AOL was just a stripped down version of GEOS, which fit on a single floppy. It is a shame it never took off, and I still miss it.

    @0311Mushroom@0311Mushroom3 жыл бұрын
  • Nice video. I remember computers in the stores running GeoWorks demos. I think that interface still looks nice this many years later. What is really amazing is how GEOS plus its apps ran on a Commdore 64 with 64 kilobytes total memory.

    @georgeh6856@georgeh68563 жыл бұрын
  • cant get enough of your videos Michael :)

    @Brendanasdfdsf@Brendanasdfdsf3 жыл бұрын
  • I've watched a lot of your old videos, and I'm so glad you finally have noted that you can double click the corner button to close. On your Windows 3 and KDE videos you didn't mention that, and I wasn't sure if you realized or not. :)

    @JeffDayPoppy@JeffDayPoppy3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video Michael, Geoworks Ensemble 1.28 was able to run on a XT 8088 up to an AT 486 in those days, no need to upgrade your hardware if you wanted to use it. I still run it occasionally in Virtualbox just for fun. I have three original boxings in my collection : a version 1.2 in German, an USA Geoworks Pro 1.2 (with Quattro Pro 1.0 (which is a dos version actually but running it in combination with Geos is very easy to do )) and a Geoworks 1.28 in Dutch. The future of Home Computing might have looked different indeed if this OS had a larger market penetration in those days.

    @airfixer9461@airfixer94613 жыл бұрын
  • Had it for my Commodore 64. This was great. Thanks.

    @CallMeChato@CallMeChato3 жыл бұрын
  • My wife and I loved Geoworks and tried to push for it in our computer club and newsletter. We also used it for creating a newsletter for our writing group that went all over the US and a couple foreign countries. Sadly, Microsoft won that battle, taking some of the best features of Geoworks and putting them into Windows, eventually.

    @KarlWitsman@KarlWitsman3 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent Video! It is interesting to see an alternate DOS shell! In an alternate universe, what if Geoworks was the mainstream operating system?

    @theincrediblehulk2865@theincrediblehulk28653 жыл бұрын
  • I really dig this operating system! I’ve never seen it. Great video!

    @davidstern3031@davidstern30312 жыл бұрын
  • Awesome video,Michael

    @blainepalmerza@blainepalmerza3 жыл бұрын
  • Very cool and informativ video,never heard of it. I have to try it for my self. Good work

    @christiankoller5550@christiankoller55503 жыл бұрын
  • I was just thinking about geos! Great timing.

    @baroncalamityplus@baroncalamityplus3 жыл бұрын
  • The GUI looks to be compliant with OSF Motif widget toolkit and the MWM window manager design used on many UNIX/X11 graphical operating environments during the 80's and 90's

    @HPPalmtopTube@HPPalmtopTube3 жыл бұрын
  • Now onto the more important matter at hand Michael... Where’d you get that Windows XP Glitter lamp because god I will pay good money to find one 😍😍

    @jamiecullen9075@jamiecullen90753 жыл бұрын
    • I was thinking the exact same thing!

      @CobyTheLuckyFox@CobyTheLuckyFox3 жыл бұрын
    • @@CobyTheLuckyFox Me too!

      @thecaptain2281@thecaptain22813 жыл бұрын
    • maybe a sticker?

      @gingerjake2936@gingerjake29363 жыл бұрын
    • Promo item from 2001. They do come up on eBay from time to time...

      @jaguaranon9353@jaguaranon93533 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent video Michael. I've seen a lot of videos talking about GeoWorks as a "Windows clone" and I think that is a misconception considering the background this environment has. I hope to see more videos about GeoWorks. Cheers from México.

    @abrahamcorrales3214@abrahamcorrales32143 жыл бұрын
  • Great review, thank you!!!

    @AS-ly3jp@AS-ly3jp4 ай бұрын
  • Very good video. I was not familiar with this graphical environment for MS-DOS. I loved how well explained the operation of GeoWorks Ensemble is in the video. It does not seem very difficult to adapt to the use of it who is used to using Windows 3.1. What's more, it offered more pre-installed applications than Windows.

    @darioperezdario2638@darioperezdario26382 жыл бұрын
  • Surprised to see you didn't cover BeOS already! Please do a BeOS video, it was the best of its time!

    @funkye@funkye3 жыл бұрын
  • I haven't seen this is years. The print quality from this OS on a dot matrix printer at the time could not be beat. Also had OS2 Warp ... LOL Thanks for the flash back.

    @chatbear69@chatbear693 жыл бұрын
  • I love Geoworks :) I'd be happy to see you check out the newer versions of it.

    @ash3s_@ash3s_3 жыл бұрын
  • I loved GeoWorks Ensemble. Ran it on my XT clone with 640KB.

    @bavideomaker29@bavideomaker293 жыл бұрын
    • I had an Emerson clone with a 10mhz CPU and DOS in ROM. Fast? Wheee Dogies!

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
  • I'm curious to see you do a video of Breadbox Ensemble, it is interesting to hear about and see less known operating environments and systems like what you covered in this video and I would enjoy seeing more like this

    @starlightminako@starlightminako3 жыл бұрын
  • That was a serious blast from the past, I had forgotten all about this OS. Heck of a hidden nugget!

    @jd31068@jd310683 жыл бұрын
  • I really dig the motif gui.

    @drmgiverdrmgiver5335@drmgiverdrmgiver53353 жыл бұрын
  • This is *super* advanced for the time. So much better than contemporary Windows versions.

    @IrisGalaxis@IrisGalaxis3 жыл бұрын
  • My brother and I used this a lot in the early to mid 90s when we were in high school on our 286 system we had. Windows 3.0 or 3.1 didn't run well on that system at all and regularly crashed, but GeoWorks was rock solid stable and produced surprisingly good looking documents on our dot matrix printer - even if it was very loud and super slow. And even on a 12MHz 286 with 1MB RAM and a relatively slow 40MB HDD, it was fast enough to be quite usable - again, not something you could say about Windows 3.x on the same system!

    @heidirichter@heidirichter3 жыл бұрын
  • Nice video keep up the good work!

    @antbathtulol1234A@antbathtulol1234A3 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks, will do!

      @MichaelMJD@MichaelMJD3 жыл бұрын
  • In the mid 90's I started my career with a small computer company and they focused on business desktops. Our company owner thought keeping just to business was the way to go because of it being more profitable. But as the 90's moved on I would try to convince him that selling to the general public could be profitable too. One day he asked me a simple question: What would the average consumer need for a working desktop. Around this time the internet was really taking shape, 1996 was a good year so I responded: Get on the internet, check mail and perhaps write. Then he gave me a challenge: design a low end system that we could sell that would do just that. Enter NewDeal Office. It was basically Geoworks with a few tweaks and it ran on the simplest of hardware, and required few resources. I took our entry system, a P1 166, swapped it out with a Cyrix cpu, 4mb of ram and wallah. The only downside to these systems was that newDeal couldn't use a Win modem that was all the fad at the time, we had to stick with a hardware modem raising the costs a tad. But a few minor upgrades and a home user could be running Windows 95.. The licences for NewDeal was dirt cheap considering what Microsoft changed for both Windows and Office, a highly desirable selling point. I think we bundled it with Dr-dos for it's multi-tasking extinctions.

    @PearComputingDevices@PearComputingDevices3 жыл бұрын
  • This software can compete with windows 95, i really like it.

    @usermanico@usermanico3 жыл бұрын
    • Up to and maybe even including 3.11, Windows was really quite far behind all the competition. The only way Microsoft could have achieved their dominance was by anti competitive practices.

      @MrOttman001@MrOttman0013 жыл бұрын
    • @Paul Moffat We may never know. It's something I have often wondered and given the amount of misinformation I hear, is seemingly an increasingly important question. I have come across too many people who believe and repeat inaccurate narratives of history. I find it sad when Apple and Microsoft fans readily forget the work of Standard Research Institute, Xerox, Berkley, Tandy, Digital Research, Atari, Commodore and even early Apple. All these and probably more that I forget were instrumental in the development of graphical user interfaces or had produced GUIs before Windows.

      @MrOttman001@MrOttman0013 жыл бұрын
    • @@MrOttman001 I used a program called QuikMenu that was much more than a DOS launcher as well. (Okay I still use it on DOS to launch windows 3.11 and Geos)

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
    • @@MrOttman001 I disagree. PC/Geos was 99 % written in 16-bit assembly language. While this makes the software run fast on old hardware, the development costs on the other side are very high and when you want to adapt its code base to a new machines and its new CPU features, like the i386 brought to us, it gets much more expensive and time consuming. High development costs do also mean, that you can't sell your product competitively priced. So failure No 1 was to not use C programming language. Failure No 2 was, they didn't ship the software with developer tools. If you wanted to develop for it, you needed a very expensive setup. That way, you won't attract many developers. Microsoft did a much better job in that case, Visual Basic and Visual C for Windows was available for a few bucks and did run on the same PC. Both were 2 major failures and that's why it lost against Microsoft. It's just to easy to just say that Microsoft won because of anti competitve practice. This doesn't mean, that Microsoft didn't do such bad game, but if it wasn't the case, then IBM would have much bigger chances to win against Microsoft with their OS/2 than PC/Geos.

      @OpenGL4ever@OpenGL4ever3 жыл бұрын
  • OH MY GOD!! I used to install that on loads of 386 pcs back then! :D

    @JeremyWhite72@JeremyWhite723 жыл бұрын
    • Me too! but I had an Emerson Electric XT clone with a 10mhz chip that positively smoked with Geos.

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
  • 17:45 GTK library, used to build UIs in Linux applications, has this feature too. It was enabled in GIMP's menus for example. In current version of GTK this feature is deprecated and it seems to me no one uses it anymore.

    @tomaszgasior772@tomaszgasior7723 жыл бұрын
  • This is really nice!

    @alextirrellRI@alextirrellRI3 жыл бұрын
  • I worked there as an intern right during the launch of the first version. I still have my signed box.... Very nice.

    @DavidCNavas@DavidCNavas3 жыл бұрын
  • I totally loved this program , so much easier to use than windows 3.0 also ran flawlessly on a 286 computer.

    @SUPERBIGMANThe@SUPERBIGMANThe3 жыл бұрын
  • i used to run that geos on an old zentih data systems laptop was one of the most fun os's well that and tandy desk mate

    @sarge242@sarge2423 жыл бұрын
    • DeskMate! I love DM. In fact I use it with Win3 and Geos on an old laptop. (I never wanted to convert my Filer and Other apps from DM)

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
  • Interesting insight into the geoworks operating system

    @Triadii@Triadii3 жыл бұрын
  • "rather like turning it upside down" :) hope to see the video of breadbox on ensemble soon.

    @glddesk@glddesk3 жыл бұрын
  • I remember back then, when I made my first steps trying to connect to the first mailboxes via modem. After many unsuccessfully tries with DOS I installed GEOS and it ran right out of the box.

    @JohnDoe-es5xh@JohnDoe-es5xh3 жыл бұрын
  • Man! Memories. Whew! Another world. A lifetime ago. Twisting my brain up here.

    @KevinBReynolds@KevinBReynolds3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video but you missed one very cool aspect of GEOS/GeoWorks history -- it was the UI on one of the very first PDA devices, the Tandy/Casio Zoomer. It ran GEOS + a bunch of Palm software and with a few hacks you could even get down to a DOS prompt on them. It was pretty cool.

    @Joooooooooooosh@Joooooooooooosh10 ай бұрын
  • My first computer (a Laser 286S, same company that made licensed Apple II clones) came with GeoWorks Pro. We eventually bought Windows 3.1 as well, and I always felt that GeoWorks was a much better environment. It always booted faster, ran faster, and had better built-in apps. The only problem was that GeoWorks didn't have any third-party support. Nobody really supported it and so it languished and died. Very sad, considering how far ahead of Windows they were at the time.

    @Archronis@Archronis3 жыл бұрын
  • Nice. Back in 1992, GeoWorks was my first try at an "alternate" Desktop installed on my Tandy 1000 RX(I think it was the RX...).

    @samuelavery-quinn6965@samuelavery-quinn69653 жыл бұрын
  • Have you done any videos on DesQView or any of the other Quarterdeck software such as their popular QEMM? I did a quick search on KZhead and couldn't find any by your channel.

    @KevinVeroneau@KevinVeroneau3 жыл бұрын
  • Ha! I loved using this back in the day. I was reminiscing about this program a few weeks ago when I was talking software with a young whipsnapper.

    @bobg1685@bobg16853 жыл бұрын
  • Geoworks = company name PC/GEOS = operating environment Geoworks Ensemble = application suite You’re right that they were occasionally used somewhat interchangeably, but they did have specific meanings. :-)

    @ScrapKing73@ScrapKing735 ай бұрын
  • I had only seen pics of this on Toasty Tech before, so it is nice to finally see it in action. Someday I’d like to get a copy and put in on a 386, 486, or early Pentium, just to compare its performance to Windows.

    @DavidWonn@DavidWonn3 жыл бұрын
  • I always had a soft spot for GEOS/Geoworks. I had the C64 version and later on I got the DOS version. It was nice having free office software bundled with it. On my Mac I had ClarisWorks.

    @Tall_Order@Tall_Order3 жыл бұрын
  • I was just thinking of installing this. :D

    @Srbo2@Srbo23 жыл бұрын
    • Back in the dialup BBS era, I knew a guy who ran Geoworks on an XT. It could multitask well enough that he'd be online with AOL while it was printing invoices in the background.

      @Reziac@Reziac3 жыл бұрын
    • Wonder how it holds up on more modern processors. It would obviously be faster than lightning but would it function properly while running faster than it was ever imagined to run.

      @bdhale34@bdhale343 жыл бұрын
    • Back then things were simpler so theoretically the programs could run faster

      @Triadii@Triadii3 жыл бұрын
    • @@bdhale34 Geos 20 won't run on a processor over 200mhz due to the compiler used. There are workarounds, but I just run Breadbox Ensemble.

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
    • @@creakycracker Figures, not unexpected though, most things written for Pentium MMX and below do pretty bad on newer processors without emulation and possibly some tweaking.

      @bdhale34@bdhale343 жыл бұрын
  • I've watched you for so long I remember when you did time travel and was mjd7999

    @joshuaeaton7653@joshuaeaton76533 жыл бұрын
  • Yes, I would love to see a video on Ensemble!

    @michaelmyers4484@michaelmyers44843 жыл бұрын
  • Very interesting and impressive

    @wisteela@wisteela3 жыл бұрын
  • honestly, i really feel sad that none of these alternatives to windows became at least nearly as big as windows did, because these operating systems look really cool and even sometimes a little better than windows

    @RedZFlame@RedZFlame2 жыл бұрын
  • When it says "Press A Key To Continue" you kept saying "so we press A to continue", this cracked me up ;-) Wiki even has an article about "Any key"

    @rasz@rasz3 жыл бұрын
  • Show us the Breadbox Ensemble next.

    @IAmNotAFunguy@IAmNotAFunguy3 жыл бұрын
    • NewDeal Ensemble (3.x) before that. And NewDeal Office 2000 (4.1.x) after Breadbox (4.0-4.1).

      @mbirth@mbirth3 жыл бұрын
  • Nice Video! :)

    @numbdropbc@numbdropbc3 жыл бұрын
  • I remember some years ago Hyperking wanted to do a retron X86 that ran DOS games in a 80 and 90 all in one computer form factor. If that product ever came out of if it still in development this would be a great option to boot the games or the breadbox version.

    @ricky865@ricky8653 жыл бұрын
  • I would love to see more coverage of alternate DOS graphical environments

    @draggonhedd@draggonhedd3 жыл бұрын
  • Sir. I am looking for geoworks discs for my hp elite 8200. Or the breadbox ensemble. Will it work with windows 10? Any help would be helpfu. Thank you in advance.

    @kevinfiori7737@kevinfiori773711 ай бұрын
  • Ha, I used to use GEOS on the C64 mostly for going above gaming and using it for homework. But geoPaint was nice to play with for 8 bit systems. I went straight on to windows 3.1 from Geos, having no idea GeoWorks was a thing.

    @krisreddish3066@krisreddish30663 жыл бұрын
  • Back in 90ies I wanted so hard to try Geoworks, but it just never happened. Very nice video about very interesting graphical OS extension.

    @Astlaus@Astlaus3 жыл бұрын
  • I had it on my C128, great software back then, very nice.

    @jonathont5570@jonathont5570 Жыл бұрын
  • Heck YES! Please do more videos on early Windows alternative (that isn't Linux because everyone knows about Linux).

    @TommyCrosby@TommyCrosby3 жыл бұрын
    • GEM! If you can get it configured it is good. Great Desktop Publisher for DOS. Ran it under Deskview. DESKVIEW! :)

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
  • We had Ensemble Pro on our family machine back in the day. It really did make DOS a lot easier to use especially for games.

    @PlayingGilly@PlayingGilly3 жыл бұрын
  • I remember how the prints were amazingly sharp even on a 9 dots matrix printer, compare to what W3.xx was able to do. It took very very very long to print and eat nearly a full ink ribbon for 3 sheets but it was close to an inkjet printer of the era. I had, at the time, 2 machines, a 286 with GEOS installed on it and a 386 with W3.1 and a lpt switch with a Canon BJ-10 and a Epson LQ-870 (I still use today) and the results on the matrix printer were very close to the inkjet ones. I had a friend with a 9-pins printer, and the result were also very nice.

    @mmadmic@mmadmic3 ай бұрын
  • I remember using the GeoWorks operating environment with my AOL version 1.5 disk. It wasn't nearly as functional as AOL for Windows but it performed better. Oh, and I definitely want to see that GeoWorks Ensemble video.

    @OzzFan1000@OzzFan10003 жыл бұрын
  • Does this version capitalize on 386 enhanced features like windowed background running DOS applications, a la Windows 3.0?

    @DavidWonn@DavidWonn3 жыл бұрын
  • I want this Windows XP lamp

    @phorzer32@phorzer323 жыл бұрын
  • I got geoworks on a cd-rom that came bundled with a NEC 2x external (parallel not SCSI) cd-rom drive and I used to go back and forth with windows 3.1 and Geoworks, but never having both installed at the same time on a 486sx 66mhz. Also Battle Chess was included with the drive as well.

    @pinrod1@pinrod13 жыл бұрын
  • Yeah another Video 🙏😁

    @Kevinw927@Kevinw9273 жыл бұрын
  • Very interesting video. I first used Geos on a c64 then later when i moved to a c128 i got Geos128.Never used the pc version, mostly because I got a Tandy 1000sl which used the Deskmate software.. In 93 I started using windows 3.0 on a clone pc and quickly upgraded that to Windows 3.11.

    @winfielddoner@winfielddoner3 жыл бұрын
  • Some - in my opinion - important point of GeoWorks were not mentioned in this video: - All GeoWorks applications are capable of using "long file names" instead of the 8.3 limitation that DOS (and Win3.1) had. That's also why there are no ".exe" files in the WORLD directory - the files there ARE the applications (showing its GeoWorks name) and no "shortcuts". - GeoWorks included some very good printer drivers for the time, my Epson LX-400 had way better looking documents when printing from GeoWrite than from any Windows 3.x program. - When used together with (the much better) DR-DOS 6 or Novell DOS 7, GeoWorks could control the DR-DOS task switcher (the background task will be halted) or Novell-DOS task manager (the background task will still run), what made it possible to use DOS and GeoWorks applications together. - GeoWorks had preemptive multitasking inside its operating environment, a thing that Windows 95 only had with 32 bit applications. - The GUI look and feel was a switchable module! Instead of the (very nice) Motif look shown in the video, also a "Win95"-like look was available, or a CUA (Windows 2.x) or OpenLook (OpenWindows). At least for GeoWorks 1.x, I don't know if there modules work on 2.x (or the Motif module will work on Breadbox Ensemble, as I don't like the Win9x look) - And last but not least: GeoWorks featured a "user level" system, also especially for people who are new to computers or are "no experts". In GeoWorks 1.x this heavily influenced the look of the system and was set system-wide, in 2.x I think only the applications could offer such a setting. It defined, what options the user will see and how "complicated" the application will be. As today every application gets "dumbed-down", I miss such a thing, as I miss the "advanced" and "expert" level...

    @annachristina2179@annachristina21793 жыл бұрын
  • Hey Michael! Love this video. Do you have an ISO for this by any chance? Wifi is kinda slow right now.

    @jargon343@jargon3433 жыл бұрын
    • wouldnt u still have to download it? lol

      @randominternetuser5123@randominternetuser51233 жыл бұрын
  • I like watching these videos about now obscure operating environments and user interfaces. There's a lot of neat stuff that should've been further developed and could've improved the user experience for millions or even billions of computer users had their potential been realised, like the multiple system trays in OS/2 or the ability to pin menus. If I'm ever tasked with creating a UI toolkit or a full desktop environment, I'd love to include things like this.

    @TheFakeVIP@TheFakeVIP3 жыл бұрын
  • I remember when this came out. I was seriously thinking of buying it. But I was worried if there would be any additional software support.....additional applications from different providers. If I remember.....not a lot of additional software programs from different companies was written to run within the Geoworks environment. It may look dated now but it did look seriously sweet when it came out

    @dbreardon@dbreardon3 жыл бұрын
  • I’m just 13 but I’m interested in this nostalgia things so I subbed u.i have been watching your videos since the beginning of this year

    @pavithranloganathan2007@pavithranloganathan20073 жыл бұрын
  • and it's got a MOTIF theme akin to every decent Unix system, I dig it!

    @SilverSpoon_@SilverSpoon_3 жыл бұрын
  • Love these old GUI operating systems even if they are blatent copies of the original Mac OS. The ability to pin menus and drag them around as windows was common to a few OSs of that era. There was a popular extensions for the classic Mac OS that did it, NeXT OS had it by default and so did the early betas for OSX.

    @kirishima638@kirishima6383 жыл бұрын
    • Apple really pushed that whole idea that everything GUI had to be copying the Mac, didn’t it?

      @lawrencedoliveiro9104@lawrencedoliveiro91043 жыл бұрын
    • Jobs going to visit Palo Alto had much to do with it, IMO. And then Apple suing GEM for their trashbin when they were all following the lead of UNIX Windowing systems seems petty to me.

      @creakycracker@creakycracker3 жыл бұрын
    • @@creakycracker Ancient history this but Jobs/Apple *licensed* the ideas from Xerox and developed them a long a way from the Star. They paid for it. GEM was a straight up rip off, no question, as was Windows 1.0. UNIX/Linux didn't get a GUI until much, much later and they typically copied Windows more than anything. Why do it say they were rippoffs? Because there are many ways to implemente a GUI - we see that with phones now. But everyone one of these systems had overlapping windows with title bars, close buttons on the right, pull down menus at the top (typically with File/Edit menus) and trashcans.

      @kirishima638@kirishima6383 жыл бұрын
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