2024 Subaru WRX TR | This is a Good One
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We drive and review the new 2024 Subaru WRX TR, the bridge between the old STI and WRX. With performance improvements and a better interior, this is an excellent alternative to the Elantra N, GR Corolla, and Civic Type R. While it may not be the most modern vehicle it still connects on many levels.
#cars #engineering #fun
Index:
00:00 Interior and Exterior
3:35 Mechanical Impressions
7:06 Driving Impressions
15:49 Final Thoughts
74% take rate on manual transmission. Proud of you fellow Subi-bros.
Subi bros are the same people who buy Miatas
@@francisj4058every miata I find is the wrong trim with an auto and no LSD
Outdated technology holding back the industry
@AG-uh9bf I rarely see automatic Miatas. What do you mean wrong trim? What's the wrong trim?
@@francisj4058And miatas are great simple cars.
People with kids buy the WRX. Imagine if they brought back the WRX Wagon....
outside of the US, they do sell the "levorg" which is essentially just that!
@@tweefruit It doesn't come with a manual, which is really weird because they deliberately cut out specific portions of space for the manual transmission in the Levorg. The manual fits in there, yet it's not an option.
Australia got the WRX Sportswagon without the plastic cladding. However CVT only. Faustian deal if ever I heard one.
@@tweefruitNo manual option disqualifies it. Especially as ~20% of WRX buyers (historically even less outside of US) go for CVT.
Beat me to it.
Man I am super happy the WRX has been successful. We need more cars like this to continue to be manufactured.
Especially given the reaction when they unveiled it!
Right.. I don't like the exterior styling of current gen but that is subjective and it is important that they still need to be successful so it stays alive.
@@taelee347 yep I don't like how the new one looks, but what really matters is how it drives. Subarus have never been particularly good looking cars but I really liked the last generation's look (I have a 2018 WRX). The complaint about the cable shifter feel is legit though that's one thing about the newer WRX models that Subaru still needs to work on.
How much did they pay you to say that
@@AngelValdovinos they gave me a new car
I own a ‘22. Two years, 50k miles, 19 autocross events, two rally cross events, and two track days later, I’m unbelievably happy with this chassis. The kicker? I gave 27k brand new for a base. Can’t beat it.
good deal indeed
How do you like the infotainment system? That’s the only thing steering me away from the car.
27k brand new? That's a screaming good deal. Well done man.
@@v8_sami I haven’t had a problem, and I mean that quite literally, however, I have the split/dual screens. I will say, because I’ve got a ‘22, I don’t have wireless CarPlay. That’s probably my only gripe and I’m pretty sure they’ve solved that. When I purchased the vehicle I was test-driving GTI, civic si, Elantra n, Wrx, and brz/86. The way I saw it; si had my favorite interior all the way around (infotainment included), GTI had the worst (only because of their knucklehead infotainment) and the others were all in the same ballpark. I actually had the most fun with the brz, but I just couldn’t make the car work with my daily life (I can only own one car because of my apartment’s parking situation.) Short answer; I’ve had no issues 😆
@@uncalm right? Especially considering what was going on in the market in 2022. They couldn’t sell them in my region during that first model year ( my assumption was the plastic 😆) so I got kind of lucky. I see them around town all the time now , so my timing was perfecto lol
I sold Subaru's for a while. I was "The Subaru Guy" at my dealership. I owned a 2018 WRX for a time. I really liked the car, but I wanted the STI every time I drove it. You guys were the ONLY channel that pointed out the exact deficiencies of that vehicle, such as the constant timing pull, gear-shifter feel issues and others. I haven't driven the new one, so I'm extremely happy to see your guys' praise of the new platform. Good for Subaru. I hope they let STI actually do something in the future.
What's the constant timing pull, bro ?
@@cyrilmatthew2995 It's when the engine and turbo get heat-soaked and the ECU pulls ignition timing and power to protect the expensive bits.
thankfully the STI tranmission components bolt right in. you could do it in your garage to get something if they dont make it
The timing pull is real, even on my '21 WRX. If it's too hot, car pulls timing and it feels like a nissan sentra. If it's too cold car cuts boost and it feels like a nissan sentra. The only time it doesn't feel like a nissan sentra is that perfect outside temp of 50-70F.
@@TheGreatestRhea Just get a toon bro, it'll be fine bro. It doesn't pull timing to give the motor a fighting chance of staying alive, it does that for funsies. A toon will fix that. What? Your motor went bang 2000 miles later? No way. Must've been a bad motor, can't have been the toon.
The value for the money with the WRX can't be ignored. Thanks Geese, you guys are the best.
its like a toy car
No value for money in the wrx TR. it's like 40k. Not worth that.
@@stinkothestooleater4490 100% agree.
True, Base or premium manual would be more accurate.@@stinkothestooleater4490
It looked about as fast as my 2003 altima 2.5
The best part of this value proposition is its 1980s style matte black cladding.
A 4 day old comment on a video that came out 14 mins ago?
@@chm2glitch in the matrix
@@chm2True time traveller
@@chm2patreon or something similar allows early viewing
@@chm2 Patreon. They get first views of videos long before they're posted on YT.
WRX sti vs EVO was one of my fav imaginary battles, I will always have a soft spot for WRX
I currently own an 03 Evo. This channel does a great job of discussing the features of this new WRX. We definitely need more cars like this. I would also purchase one myself to add to my collection.
Properly done, the EVO is 10x the car the Subaru will ever be.....sorry, but true....
I agree. I dreamed of owning either of these back in the day, but couldn't afford them a the time. Too bad neither is available anymore.
I daily a 2022 wrx limited. At 56yo, having owned a wide variety of cars, I can enthusiastically say this is my favorite car to date. Such an engaging daily drivers car. I already have 50k miles on it and it has been rock solid. I hope the TR is still available in a couple of years, I’ll definitely be upgrading to it. Great honest and accurate review!
You obviously haven’t owned many good cars then
I hated the road noise in my 07… how bad is the new one?
Before you got the WRX, did you cross-shop any other vehicles?
At least with the tr, now there is an easy oem upgrade for brakes, etc
@Bmoney-js4kl hey I owned an Evo IX and the VB is up there.
I did a double take when I was going south on RT 47. Passed you both when you were sitting on the corner of Conely waiting to turn. As always, great video!
I wish subaru would listen to us all & bring the hatch back.
They did listen...to the buying customers. The buying customers clearly stated, through their purchasing, they aren't too interested in purchasing a hatch.
Considering just how good looking the Impreza and hatch is, it almost feels like Subaru has something against the very specific WRX demographic.
It never sold well. That’s why it’s not available.
@@mofayerit is the buying demographic. The hatch sold poorly here in North America which is why they discontinued it. They even get the levorg which is a wagon version of the wrx in other parts of the world. Americans just don’t buy hatchback like that.
Yes. I loved owning a WRX in the past and would buy one again, but I now have dogs/family I need to haul around so I ended up going with the Outback Wilderness (which has the FA24 as well) instead. People's priorities change and unfortunately the number of people who can both afford a brand-new WRX and whose family situation allows for a fun sedan over a more boring/practical hauler-type vehicle is not as large as Subaru would like it to be. I can only afford 1 vehicle, and that vehicle has to be top-of-class in the winter and has to be able to haul people/cargo. Those are non-negotiable. If it's fun on top, it's a slam dunk. If they had offered the WRX as a 6MT wagon or the Outback as a 6MT I 100% would have bought one.
Everytime I drive past a VB I expect to see someone in my age group (20s). But instead, I see a lot more moms and grandmas drive around in this gen. It's pretty hilarious as it's completely unexpected.
I'm 58 and drive a '20 WRX as a daily... 😂
very surprising, what area? The manual take rate is supposedly ~75%
People in their early 20's are completely priced out of this car unless they live with their parents, the parents bought it for them, or both.
52 and daily a GR Corolla
I expected it to happen the moment they put a cvt in it
You guys put out the best reviews, and the fact that you talk to the engineers shows them that you guys really care and speak for the entirety of consumer and enthusiasts alike. Props gentlemen
Thank you guys for this video, it follows the quality standard you set. I work in a national park where it's mostly gravel roads or snow roads during winter, and our parking lots are filled with these new WRXs. I think they simply listened to their customers.
I love my VB, I've never been happier with a fun/quick/practical daily, but I wouldn't have paid $40k for it. This year's pricing just reinforces how much of an insane deal the BRZ is.
Jeez. I remember not too long ago they were discounting them so much because people were still upset by the its appearance. I could have had one for $28k (not including taxes and fees) and now they’re approaching $40k? Crazy.
$40K is how much I paid for my 2017 STI limited brand new at the tail end of 2016. The WRX TR while nice still doesn't hold a candle to the STI.
This is pretty much loaded top trim. It can be had for less
The WRX is not $40k, just the TR is. You can pretty much get the exact same car for $30k. Same tranny, same engine, same interior.
@@SuzukiKid400 and that's why I think the TR is nice but maybe not a great value especially when compared to the VA STI which could be had for the same price (or less) not too long ago but ohh well, inflation ...
I love my ‘22 WRX. I got it under MSRP, it’s a blast to drive, the AWD is invincible , it is incredibly easy to live with, and it really has no big faults. I could not be happier
They are a hatchback version away from me making another poor financial decision. Great video 👍🏼
I'm shocked so many people like hatchbacks.. I guess I'm just one of the very few that doesn't like them.
@@hhaste I already have a sedan. No complaints either way, but I’d like my second vehicle to be more utility but maintain the fun. A great car no matter the configuration
For what it's worth, the trunk is pretty big.
@@hhasteI prefer sedans over hatchbacks. A hatchback is a wussy little CUV.
@@SuzukiKid400You have that backwards. A CUV is just a bloated car. A wagon would be a much better option than a CUV
Great review, as always, gentlemen! As a '23 owner it's very imperfect, but there's many things to love. As you mentioned you can can have safe fun on the streets, it's value is undeniable, the visibility is great, and if you like the basics (e.g., like an analog gauge cluster) then it's also 1-of-a-kind. For people looking at them, some things to consider: the ride is very firm, the audio is not great, and you will need to budget for winter tires. Holding onto it until I get shoved back in the SUV penalty box
Many suv are not penalty boxes if you know what to look for. I went from name WRXs to acura RDX A-spec. I get so many more compliments in the RDX than I ever did on all years of owning WRX, it has every feature under the sun practically, oh and it's just as fast as a wrx too. Sure, no manual, but that's ok
This is the most positive I've heard Mark speak about a new car in a long time. Coming from any other journalist it would be a glowing review!
HAHA he does like to nitpick and throw a lot of shade at so many cars. It's as if if he is comparing them all to a perfect version of something in his mind that just isn't real. You have to look at these cars for what they are. They are very well developed AWD flat 4 rally inspired easy to drive fast vehicles that have quirks, but, the positives outweigh the niggling little annoying bits by far.
Well said. I love my VB so much - it's been a great car to daily / road trip with. Lots of fun and great value 😊
The WRX is probably the best entry level performance vehicle on the market. It might be the only one in its category. Very little at the low 30s has this performance. I appreciate that this still exists.
86/ND Miata over this but I get it if you need 4 doors
Absolutely, 100%.
Same. That's why I bought a 23 premium and got it pro tuned. Car is amazing for the money
@@ADUSNsold my 23 brz for a 23 WRX. Would not go back.
Elantra N
I have a 22 premium and I’ve never loved a daily more than this car. It’s a pleasure to drive everyday. I didn’t like how it looked on KZhead, but then I saw it in person and fell for it.
Definitely agree it looks better in the wild. The wheel arches have weirdly grown on me. I've yet to see them painted looking right. Somehow screws up the proportions in solid body color...
I am people with kids, and I bought one this year. They did exactly what I needed: a practical car with some dynamic potential. I used to admire the WRX 20 years ago, when I was a teenager, and now I can buy one and still take my family to a picnic. This car is amazing, I am enjoying every bit of it. Reviews say that this engine is very under-stressed, which makes me want to discover its true potential. Anyways I am not planning to sell this one ever. This one here is my toy for years now.
Same here. This is my family friendly manual trans so everything fun car. It really doesn’t have ANY competition. Thank you Subaru for making this car.
Ive had a TMIC, Intake, Charge Pipe, Catback and a custom e-tune on my 2022 wrx immediately after I bought it in 2022, I make about 350/350 and have had 0 problems, the car is solid and is an amazing daily.
I got a new WRX wagon when i was 20 - great car... 20 yrs later this looks tempting.
Dont think, do. Ive had mine since april 2022. Zero Issues.
Im gonna tell you what I was told when I was only mildly interested in a VB, go for a test drive. Subaru dealerships in my experience are a lot better to deal with than Hyundai and toyota. If they dont have a TR, test out a limited and justvimagine that car but with better brakes and seats. It took me 5 minutes of driving a premium to realize I HAD to have one as soon as possible. Originally wanted Grey, but ended up getting a WR Blue 23 premium for around 34.5k, and I never impulse buy anything. It's just that good. No issues except a cracked windshield, but that wasn't the car's fault. It's such a usable performance car, with all the modern amenities you want as an enthusiast, and none of the techy garbage you don't. Feels like one of the very few "oldschool" fun car's you can still buy new, but with Android auto/Apple carplay. The TR trim can only be better than a premium, since the price differential is a lot smaller than if I were to try to upgrade everything on mine to something comparable. TR is a steal. But if you don't want to spend over 40k on a wrx, a limited, or premium with upgraded audio (stock stereo blows, I have it) is still a hell of a good bargain.
Nice review fellas. TY.
I can't help but smile when I hear your positive comments about TR as well as the WRX lineup overall. Holy hell, you're even getting me to feel nostalgic about Chicagoland "scenery" as you're driving along. Sadly, in much of Europe (where I am most of the time) Subarus are a rarity, but I'll find away to get yet another one. Also, I'm surprised how much I've warmed to the VB styling - especially as its represented with your test TR.
As always one of the best review channels today!
Just bought brand new 2024 base trim 27k out the door. Love it!
That's hard to beat great buy
It's only a car worth considering the way you got it. Once you get in to the low to mid $30's it's GTI or Elantra N. Upper $30's it's GRC. $40's it's a fuck no.
I doubt it. Out the door? C’mon man. That would mean you go it for what $24 thousand and some change. I smell something fishy 🫤
@@DM72513 RIGHT bc the GRC thats Sub 40k comes with the "ideal" dif...o right its meant to instil FOMO i almost forgot
Killer deals out there that's what I paid for my 2016 base 6-speed brand new in 2015
I'm a Toyota guy through and through but this in the base model is extremely appealing. Value and performance is basically unmatched. The only thing close is the Civic SI and its front wheel drive only and always marked up. Don't like the 1.5 wish they would have stuck to the 2 liter in the SI
It's a unique entry for sure. WRX is literally the only option for a lot of buyers.
yep, that was my logic for buying my 2023 base WRX. So much more car than the Civic Si. All the things you want and nothing you don't like the adaptive driving stuff. Plus I'm hearing the VB engine is getting over 10% extra torque and power from ECU tune alone - you could see during the pull they did that the max turbo pressure was only 13psi. You can EASILY boost that to 16psi with a tune. When my warranty is done I'll be getting the tune.
@@jleano609When I had my VB I did a Perrin intake and OTS 91 tune from Felix Performance. It was supposed to be around 300whp and still very reliable. It felt comparable to the GR Circuit that I now have.
Went from a 10thbgen SI to a 23 WRX premium. The seats and gearbox aren't quite as good, but everything else blows the civic out of the water
wait until you own one for a while.
You guys can never break up! Love to hear your commentary as you drive. Not a fan of Subaru, but appreciate their willingness to keep a manual transmission. If this were the 90s, these things would sell out in 10 minutes. Not a bad car, but certainly a very fugly one. What's appealing is that you have a manufacturer building something without overcomplicating things. Nice review.
The only thing I didn’t like about my ‘22 Wrx is the infotainment. Crashed and blipped wayyy more then what it should have. They did a software update a few months ago and it fixed everything. Love my car
Had a '22 base VB for a year that got totaled by a tree. Genuinely an amazing car for the money, even after upgrading to a GR Corolla, I still look back fondly on that car.
Totally agree. My 23' VB was also totaled after a tree fell on it haha. Bought an EVO X but still miss my VB for its creature comforts and the FA24.
@KTH96 how does the VB compare to the GRC in your experience? I am torn between the two cars 😅
@@theodorenguyen2064 Heard the GRC has overheating diff issues
I traded my 22 WRX in on a GR Circuit Edition back in November. Got it for MSRP and from the sounds of it the crazy markups are mostly gone. My VB had an intake/Felix tune on it (~300whp) and felt comparable to how the GR feels stock. The handling and brakes are way better in the GR. The VB has a lot more back seat and trunk space plus makes easy power with minimal mods. The GR is way more fun, but the WRX totally wins in the value and modding departments.
@@theodorenguyen2064 if you ever want to put people in the backseat you need the VB. Corollas might as well be coupes with how cramped the backseat is.
I can't remember when Jack reviewed a car and didn't mention B58.. Its refreshing. Great review guys
Yall do such quality work.
Seattle GT owner checking in. No kids but 3 pets 😅. Picked it up 2nd hand with 6k miles for 35k 6 months ago, and love the slow car fast experience - just wish we understood more of the SPT power/torq limit / anxiety in the aftermarket
I'm still running my WRX 2015. The more I age with it, the more I like it. I guess I have come to realise the WRX represents a childhood dream and that's a big part of the appel, at least to me.
Same here, plus all the small mods (stage 1 max) makes it even more personal :) Got a TLX typeS couple years back with a plan to sell the WRx... could not make it :)
the base is truly the best bang for buck car; only aroound 30k new, AWD, 6 speed, turbo with an engine that is proving to be reliable and super mod friendly.
I love your reviews man, keep it up!!!👍
Great review, looks like a neat car. Love your shows!
I have an 06 wrx TR. So crazy they brought it back
I bought a WRX new in 15. Always wanted one. Sold it in less than a year. Main reason, the timing pull/engine tuning was absolutely terrible. Second reason, the cable linkage for the shifter just sucked. It’s been 10 years, crazy to hear that the shifter still sucks. Maybe Toyota needs to lend them an engine/trans combo. Otherwise I loved the rest of the car. Great review guys!
Subaru's USP is being able to make their own engines (boxers) and trans. (both manual and CVT) to cut costs unfortunately! Even the Aisin gearbox from the STi adds cost compared to Subaru's (inferior) in-house manual. Would a Subaru WRX with a Toyota 8AR-FTS 2.0L inline-four turbo engine still be a Subaru?
I have a '21, still blows my mind they went with cable driven instead of direct. Replacing the bushings, shift plate, adding shift stops helps a ton. I also 3D printed some nylon components to tighten up the surrounding components of the shifter. It's not a miracle but it makes it FAR more enjoyable to drive.
Eh not Toyota. Honda is the only one that really knows how to make shifting feel good.
@@mediocreman2Mazda has entered the chat.
I applaud your review of this TR version WRX with an engineering emphasis-as usual you folks have done a fine analysis of the driving characteristics, particularly in reference to ride quality with the revised suspension which I have not seen mentioned elsewhere. I have enjoyed my 20 VA base purchased new and have gotten used to the cladding issues of the VB and am thinking of getting this version in the near future. I want the Recaros, Brembos, suspension and steering upgrades with the fog lights, heated wiper blades and other premium version stuff missing on mine. The reason I got a base originally is because I absolutely did not want a sunroof. I use it for commuting and a bit of sporting driving and since the car is tunable with more displacement and lower boost as stock, there is room for minor tweaking while preserving reliability. I would like it better at 38K but will see how flexible Subaru will be on price. Thanks, as always for another great review.
Have a 23 base model. Did AWE exhaust, wheels tires, and it's a great car! So quick and now sounds awesome without being annoying.
Nice! Which state do you live in and how much is your insurance bill?
@@ArjunaChristiansenPA. Insurance isn't bad but I'm 47, so not a 21 yr old.
@@churchofbrap876 gotcha. I’m 39 clean record in CA, will keep car stock. No shot my rate would be lower than yours lol
Have you checked w/ the people driving behind you about that exhaust not being annoying?😂
@@MS-mr4zm yo buddy, do some research before going all keyboard warrior. The AWE Touring exhaust is very mild mannered. I didn't get their Track edition because I knew it would be crazy loud.
I feel like if Subaru of America really listened to their customers, the TR spec would have the sti style wing like the Aussie version. Also, the short throw shifter and shift knob from the sti catalog should be standard on this model.
I _wish_ it had the former STi's 6 speed transmission... that would have justified the TR version.
@@hhaste then it is STI, not WRX TR
I love my VB WRX. Its not especially exciting on dry pavement but on snow and ice its the best vehicle I've ever driven. Makes me laugh out loud every time. The cladding is ugly but i like that i can slam it into snow drifts and huck it down gravek roads without fear of ruining the paintjob. Mines a '23. Wish i had the big brakes and recaros but happy to not have to turn off all the stupid active driver aids every time i get in. I dont like cars thst steer or brake without me telling them to.
As a proud owner of a current gen WRX (and also the previous gen) couldn’t agree more with you impressions. This car is such a rarity in terms of driver engagement at a reasonable price point in today’s market. Also had the great experience to teach both my children to drive a stick. They love it as much as I do.
Bought a 2023 WRX about 3 months ago and have fallen completely in love with it. First car I've ever owned where I can't stop driving it and will go the longest way possible to my destinations just to have more seat time. Hoping to get my hands on a TR soon mostly because I want to see if the Brembo's make a significant difference. Without question the VB is the best bang for your buck right now on the market.
Shout out to Subaru for listening to your customers, now just bring back an STI version of this very same TR trim level and offer it with body color matched panels, an STI Wing, drive modes, and over 300HP for 45k and we'll all rush to Subaru to buy them.
If the WRX TR is going for 42k then the STI would prob be 55-60k
I'm seriously considering one of these. Had a bugeye for a long time that I loved
The bug eye was my favorite model. I worked at a dealership in 02-03 and always loved taking them off the lot after they were delivered and taking them on a little test drive👍
Bugeyes are the BEST.
Yeah but she's rusted out. Not really safe to drive anymore
@@senseicorey9979sadly a common problem on the GD chassis, I had to let go a hawkeye wagon for the same reason
Its a great value. And you can get the mid trim limited for the best value. With the TR now theres an easy brake upgrade too
I got my VB in December of ‘22 for under $32k in the Premium trim. Absolutely love it. I have not had a love for car like this since my ‘88 LX 5.0.
I have an '06 WRX TR.....its got 220k miles on it and still runs great, tuned by me starting at about 6800 miles.....at 182k miles I went to 3.90FD and I lifted it 2 1/2" and put 27" AT's on it and take it off road to jobs in the oil fields in New Mexico and Texas and way out forest service roads wherever I go. Its now its getting 4.11FD and it has zero rust on it so it should last as long as I want to drive it. Oh yeah....im 62yo and I love to drive 3 pedal vehicles :)
One thing that doesn't get mentioned often is Subaru will let you configure AND ORDER a car online. Huge advantage over Toyota and I almost went with a BRZ vs a GR86 because of it, but was lucky enough to have a configuration I liked come up locally for the GR.
That is why I went BRZ, if you don't want me to be able to buy your car I'm not gonna. Toyota probably gets a cut anyway lol.
It's tough. I've owned a 2019 series gray WRX, 2019 FK8 Type R, and now a 2023 GRC. The seating position/seats are better in Type R/WRX. The space you get in WRX/Type R area also much better. Having said that, I like the much smaller size and look of the GRC. The engine/transmission like they said is much better in the GRC - it has a soul...charisma. The GRC is a *stiff* daily driver and while the cabin is a little bare and isn't my favorite, the infotainment is significantly better, and I love that it doesn't lag like the Subaru's does. For me to consider a WRX again, they would have to put out a an STI "like" version with a bespoke 6 speed/engine that makes at least 325-350 hp that has better exterior styling, but they're done with that. It would cost too much.
In terms of tuning, the engine/transmission is better in the WRX. Tuners are having serious issues tuning the GRC with engine overheating issues. There are also, engine code issues popping up with the GRC. Tuners like Engine Logics are making the wrx a 10 second car for less than 4.5k.
I absolutely love my 2022 WRX premium 6MT. My dad loved it so much he bought a 2023 limited 6MT. They are amazing cars for the money. We both live in rural area with a lot of dirt roads and snow in winter. TR looks nice for more paved road driving.
I’ve had mine over a year and it’s such a blast put an Invidia r400 on it getting some lightweight wheels soon and taking up the mountains in the coming months. Took up last year and it was great can’t wait to see what it’s like with some light weight stuff on it and some brake changes
I’m surprised to hear that it’s been successful, even without an STI for enthusiasts. Good for the WRX, but you gotta wonder if Subaru “listened” and made the TR or if it was the plan all along. I also wonder if they will “listen” and make an STI in a couple years just to keep generating hype and sales around the car. Glad to see the WRX is still thriving.
I think for 42K it's in the GRC range, tough competition! The real value, like you guys said, is the base model - it's really an unbelievable value. I LOVE my 22 BRZ Limited, and it's my DD and only car but if I lived somewhere with snow I'd probably grab one!
Nice review Team Patagonia.
My friends are big Subaru fans and I have sold them at a dealership I used to work at and I would say it’s one of the best car manufacturers out there yet I only by German and my gti manual is just as fun to drive good video 😂👍
I haven't been a fan of Subaru for quite a very long time now. But I appreciate that they're keeping the MT and WRX alive. Like Jack, my views on opinion on the VB WRX has changed over the years as well. I wouldn't personally ever buy one, but I won't heckle anyone wanting to buy one either. The local Subaru dealers around me are not only selling these for MSRP, but a lot of them are discounted as well. A discounted VB WRX is excellent value for the money.
This WRX TR is a GREAT vehicle for the money.... but just needs a few touches from the aftermarket world. I would do light weight black 19" wheels, a ground effects kit and windows tinted 20-35%. And for some better performance I would do air intake system, 100% re-circulation bypass valve, full turbo-back exhaust system with COBB pro tune. Thats all this vehicle needs!
I was excited to see this video come out. I'm definitely interested in hearing more about how it stacks up against the Elantra N. They're my two top new car choices at this point. Thanks guys!
Depends what you mean by “stacks up”. The Elantra doesn’t have AWD so it isn’t as good in inclement weather. It also doesn’t put the power down in the dry as well even though it’s “faster”. The WRX has better visibility and is always fun to drive. The N has better suspension tuning and chassis dynamics but who knows, maybe the TR makes it just as good to drive as the N now. I considered the N but the better residual, AWD and interior airiness sold me on the VB.
This new version has grown on me. I like it. I want another one.
An AWD sedan with a manual and this much power is a thing of beauty. This blue color is also great
Poor Mark lost the coin flip and had to get the 90s Logitech webcam for all his in car closeups. 😥
😂
Ha, the 2024 Logitech webcam! I swear they're still the same.
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That shade of blue is beautiful!
I have two kids I bought a 23 WRX Limited they fit fine in the rear and I have tons of trunk space for groceries or my gear or a stroller or bags of mulch. I’m 6’2” 190lbs I came from an 08 Legacy GT and I love this car. The bass heavy exhaust the smooth power delivery and I like that it’s not a common vehicle like a OB or Fozzy
The VA and VB both didn’t have the best looks. I have owned both and absolutely love the improvements they made with the VB. For sub 30k on a base model it was a great deal and still makes me smile after 20k miles.
I was in the market for a new car and as a first time manual buyer. Ideally I wanted a hatchback as the overall practicality of it makes sense to me. Additionally, I live in a region where it snows so AWD would be nice. I was looking at the GR chassis WRX/Sti years but those were so hard to find and just the money people wanted I wasn't sure I could justify it. That's before then having to worry about it blowing up due to previous owner(s) negligence. I saw a GR Corolla which didn't look bad in person. However, it just didn't hit the same for me as that old GR chassis even if its a better car overall. Then if I could find a GR Corolla at MSRP, the price was still a bit more than I wanted to spend. Had this WRX been an evolution of the previous hatchback and it came without the cladding I would've been one of the first ones in line. But I just can't get past the looks of it. Even when you paint match it, the exterior still looks off. I think Subaru missed an opportunity here especially as I keep seeing others also wishing it had been a hatchback. So, contrary to what I just stated and really wanted, I ended up getting the BRZ and I could not be happier with that decision.
A brz where it snows eh? How did it perform in the snow?
I own a 22 vb TS in Australia. It's basically a GT. Fantastic car. As much as I push , got more to give. I got a black one to mask the plastic. It works.
I drive a ‘22 Premium and after doing 42k miles it been a damn good car that’s comfortable, sporty and has options that matter to me.
I'm happy the 2023 didn't tank the WRX and I'm also glad Subaru is listening to it's customers. Personally, I still find it unattractive, but I'm nevertheless happy it's available. However, my experience owning one for just six months wasn't ideal due to the lack of steering feel and a light clutch, which made driving feel uninspired, more akin to a typical grocery-getter. Additionally, the plastic cladding and unappealing rear end led me to sell the car. As a longtime Subaru enthusiast, I'm hopeful that Subaru continues to refine their vehicles, and if they make the right improvements, I might consider giving them another shot.
What did you replace it with?
Almost a decade ago, Subaru released next-gen renderings of it's WRX. It was Awesome. It was Lust-worthy. It also never happened. Instead, Suby defaults to the "safe", boring design we see in this video. Just like they always do.
I've driven Subarus for almost 20 years now, they always find a way to disappoint.😂
RIP subaru. This video felt like a shill that I normally wouldn't associate with a SavageGeese video & I have been here 5+ years.
Great review! As a current 2016 WRX owner-- I think the new base model is worth the money and the TR is at a much better price than I initially heard. At 41k it seems reasonable, and I'm not the hater I once I was... but for me the lack of power just compared to modern alternatives, even if they cost more, just punches me in the gut. Hearing this is really targeted to families was eye-opening (though probably should have been obvious) and sort of signals to my childless ass that I'm probably not ever going to be in their target market again. Time to stop waiting for the next STI and time start looking for what's next.
I love the 2015 Honda Civic rear end! Type R owner, but this generation WRX has grown on me. We're begging for the Hatch!
I’ve been looking to replace my VA WRX with another AWD manual 4/5-door but they either don’t exist or are significantly more money. And, while I’m not saying it should necessarily be a consideration in videos like these, the aftermarket for Subaru is insane. For around $2k (tune, intake, intercooler), these are faster than its upmarket competitors.
Heck yeah I think a stock turbo can push easy 400whp but at that point the stock trans is gonna blow itself up
@Almighty_cornholio Idk about this one but 6MT from old STI's was capable of surviving in 600+ WHP builds. @edit: just checked and it looks like it's "weak" 6MT which is old 5MT with added 6th gear. Yeah, it blows up at 400WHP.
@@gameboyterrorysta6307 Seems like they might of beefed. There's one of youtubers pushing well over 400 with the stock trans. I know some other people have swapped STI trans, in fact the VB actually has pre-drilled holes to mount it. Either remnants of the canceled STI, or Subaru knew people where gonna do that.
Jack:" For a while, the WRX was the most purchased family car in the Subaru lineup, people with kids bought the WRX more than any other Subaru." Thats because old white guys and lesbians in New England bought all the other ones. :)
I'm shopping this segment right now, and was looking forward to you guys reviewing this trim. I've driven several VBs and loved both, but the engine redline comes up FAST. Driving a stock 21 STI Sunday to see how that compares. The price of this TR hurts a bit... but it looks like the one to get.
Picking up a leftover 2023 Limited this weekend in World Rally Blue/6MT ❤
Subaru doesn't seem to understand that people aren't against automatics, they hate CVT's.
truth. I'll take Mazda's 6spd auto over Subaru's iCVT all day, every day. Right after a (honda) manual.
Subaru has one thing that none of these companies have a very loyal dedicated buying base Subaru. People will buy a Subaru, no matter what.
Meh. They've got enough buyers that aren't dying on the hill of "no CVT". The Subaru CVT operates just fine. We have no qualms about it in our 2023 Outback, the vehicle functions extremely well in all situations. It is surely more reliable than their previous geared automatics, too.
@@TwoDollarGararge That thinking will only work for so long. I've had four subarus. The last of which was a 14 forester with a CVT. Which I only bought because none of the dealers in my region had one with a manual. I hated driving it so much. I sold it at 25k miles. And I haven't bought a new subaru since.
@@JLJ7802 qlot of subaru people Don't really care how it drives. They just like buying them and they just continue doing so.
It's funny how Subaru is proud of selling 80% sell rate of manual cars but ignore the fact they use a shitty CVT for the auto variant. If it was a real automatic or a DCT, I think the sell rate would be that high for the manual.
Strange, but Engineering Explained said how superior it is to the other auto's, even their manual, but prefers the later.
My GF has the 22WRX limited 6MT, I never minded the looks, but at first seemed too high tech and plasticky, but it did grow on me. Keeps the fun of my 05 Legacy GT & former 10 WRX, but has all you'd expect from a modern car. When the LGT dies, I'll probably source a 2023 WRX base without any of the eyesight stuff. Not happy that's standard now on the manuals. I find it more dangerous than helpful for me....Glad to see you guys give this a good review. The VB WRX doesn't deserve the hate and it looks better in person. It seems like an incredibly solid car all around...I would've liked to see the TR with bare bones interior and comforts and over the top performance, or a STI like Japan got, but whatever. Feel lucky any cars like this still exist.
The only thing I miss about my 2016 WRX is the top-mounted oil filter.
I got the 2024 GR Corolla Core + Performance Pack for $38.5K. The TR trim seems overpriced to me at $42K.
I would agree especially since it doesn't come with a bespoke engine like the GR. The TR seems to me to be a $38k car.
At 30k the WRX is a heavy hitter but when it starts creeping in Type R territory price wise it’s ignorable
That's exactly why I wish it had the STi's 6 speed at this price point. That would have made it justifiable.
@@Washedup007 The FA24 is still a great engine, though. Only a downpipe and dyno tune and it's at ~350WHP.
@@hhaste this is true. It would have been nice if Subaru gave the engine some kind of power bump themselves.
I’d probably buy if they had a hatchback.
get a gla 45 and go faster with out changing gears all the time
If the were gonna go the crossover route I would have preferred they just put the VB drivetrain in the Crosstrek or Outback .
@@elnogo9196yawn
I drove one last year. Great car.
I had to take a shower after watching Mark's camera footage in the driving bits. Grindhouse, son!
Jesus with that price might as well bring back the STI 😅
Picking one of these up in the summer. Needed a fun/practical daily that i could still fit the wife and kiddos in while still getting through the snow in the winter.
You won’t be disappointed. I wanted the same things and have loved my base model VB since I got in in 2022.
any fwd sedan with snow tires can do snow
Wait for the 25 redesign.
I traded my MY15 WRX in for a CX-9 due to kids. I miss my WRX lol. These cars tune so well and very reliable.
Seeing more and more of these with the STI treatment (spoiler, painted fenders, exhaust, etc) and they look good.
The biggest issue with the VB (and the VA as well if we are honest) is that is is no longer a WRX. It's a Legacy GT. And at that role it is a really great car!
I approve of this message. Subaru is on the rise.
My 2006 TR was billed as the cheapest way to get the power train you want and to start to enjoy tuning it. Now it's high-end... my 2024 Type R was a couple thousand more.
Bought a 23 base 6 months ago. Love it! Love it! Love it! Powerful, AWD, 6 speed manual, 27mpg, seat 4 ppl comfortably, good looking front end and tail lights, and all that for only $30k!!! The only complaint I have are the black fender cladding and the big rear black bumper. If Subaru made them body colored, they can sell a lot more. Btw, TR for $43k and those cladding, it’s a tough sell!
Im thinking of buying a 23 base model as well. Any tips you have for negotiating?
That back bumper is just SO HIDEOUS!
6k RPM redline.. Subaru has given us a diesel powerband and not strengthened the internals. Hard pass
Thanks!
I was able to pick up a used 22 base for 25,800. It is unfortunately the SPT (CVT) model. I have to say, even though I wish it was a manual, it's a god damn blast to drive, looks great, is comfortable and will fit kids in the back. I'm a happy camper.