Why The Army Is Changing How Drill Sergeants Are Trained | Boot Camp | Business Insider
Before they train Army recruits at basic training, drill sergeants must graduate from the nine-week United States Army Drill Sergeant Academy. Insider spent a week at Fort Jackson in Columbia, South Carolina, to see what it takes to become a drill sergeant.
The Drill Sergeant Academy has adopted a new strategy where the old days of breaking down recruits with yelling and push-ups have been replaced with a more collaborative and respectful tone. Drill sergeant candidates are taught how to effectively lead recruits through physical readiness training, teach basic rifle management, and organize a culminating event that tests students on all of the skills they gained during the training.
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People dont leave because of how their drill sergeants treat them. They leave because of how the whole organization treats them.
@@thatboyrickkk nobody signs up for toxic leadership 😂
@@thatboyrickkk You don't have a clue 😂
@@thatboyrickkk May I ask you a simple question?
@@naughtyheathen I have a. Clue 3 zones. ... War is stressful
@@thatboyrickkk you're ignorant. . . .
As a soldier of 6 years, it was very validating to read these comments. My leaving the military didn't have shit to do with my drill sergeants or whatever happened in BASIC. It was because of the shit leadership in my actual assigned unit. You may not like them yelling at you in BASIC, but I literally do not see how anyone can ever feel singled out when they are nonstop yelling at every single person there. It's very obvious that it's not personal lol
What was your mos
@@area51junkyard 12b
11m for me. They made it 11b again sometime in the early aughts.
former 35T checking in. My view on the matter is that how people are introduced to the Army in BCT shapes how they approach the Army going forward. The toxic leadership atitudes everyone brings up as their biggest reasons for GTFOing the Army are partially rooted in BCT. First impressions matter, and that goes for more than just meeting new people. Starting BCT with a hostile and aggressive environment sends two messages to two different types of people. The message it sends to toxic and abusive people is that the Army is a place where they can allow that attitude out to flourish. The message it sends to people who do not appreciate that style of "leadership" is that the Army is a place they are going to have to put up with it. Change has to start somewhere, and starting the change by changing how you introduce new recruits to Army life is as good a place as any, and a better place than many.
American military training is such an international joke. All that shouting, all that childishness. I mean I dont need to be talked to like a child. But the US has no social system catching people from falling through society. Its the military. And if you cant fit in there, then there is always life in prison... They break people down and build them up. At least thats the theory. But Im far too educated and smart to be talked to like this. And this is not a thing outside of the US. You deserve respect from day 1 if you showed up and want to serve.
I had an ex drill instructor as a teacher in high school. I forget what his rank was when he retired but he'd retired an officer of some rank. We all called him Colonel. He could effortlessly control a room full of high school idiots without raising his voice. He just exuded authority. He gave respect and got it in return from every student. I asked him after class one day if he was like that in the service. He looked confused. I explained that everyone was waiting for the classic drill Sargent, screaming lunatic to pop out. He laughed and said he was that way as a young man but discovered that treating recruits like human beings locked into a situation they had no control over and no real way to know what was coming got better results than the stereotypical completely breaking down and rebuilding approach. I learned more about being a leader in the year he was one of my teachers than I have anywhere else. He was a good man and the world is a lesser place without him.
Repent and trust in Jesus. Hes the only way. We deserve Hell because weve sinned. Lied, lusted stolen, etc. But God sent his son to die on the cross and rise out of the grave. We can receive forgiveness from Jesus. Repent and put your trust in him. John 3:16 Romans 3:23❤😊❤
@christianweatherbroadcasti3491 that's cool and all but have you considered that Odin told Thor to keep Jotunns off Midgard and there's no Jotunns here while Yahweh promised an end to sin and there's just loads and loads of it? Looks like Odin's the better bet.
Bruh you can`t even spell "sergeant"..
@@afrog2666 a spelling mistake?! Oh no! Whatever will I do? My whole world is shattered! Woe is me!
@@christianweatherbroadcasti3491I'm religious but this isn't a place to discuss Jesus
Best Drill I ever served under rarely cursed people out or did anything you'd see of a stereotypical drill. This guy was about character building, motivation, training, and education. Drill Sgt. Stancel. Will always remember that man. He learned everything about each troop and worked to develop their short comings. The man motivated everyone to be better.
Repent and trust in Jesus. We deserve Hell for our sin. Lying, lusting, etc, but God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross and ride from the grave to free us from sin. If you repent and trust in him youll be saved. Romans 3:23 John 3:16❤❤❤😊
@@christianweatherbroadcasti3491As a Christian, you are actively making me want to stop being Christian
@@christianweatherbroadcasti3491 No, he said Drill Sgt. Stancel, not Drill Sgt. Jesus.
@@lozinjathese religious bots are getting annoying
@@hexagon2178yeah I guess I've noticed them more recently.
Just an outside perspective, never served but I would guess the biggest reason for recruitment shortfall would be that Gen Z watched us fight 2 wars that extended through 4 presidencies that we more or less later decided were not worth it. I think most people if they are going to join the military want to know that if the POTUS is going to send them into war that it will be for a winnable cause that is worth risking their lives for. And historically that just has not been true.
Exactly. 50 years of foreign policy failure. 50 years of the word's premier democracy supporting the world's sympathetic dictatorships in their squabbles on year and then fighting for a regime change the next year. The failure comes from the top. There was a massive jump in recruitment after 9/11 because people thought we now had something worth fighting for, but that faded pretty quick when we spent billions enriching a few corporations and foreign governments while our own vets end up homeless and the actual countries we fought to win over collapsed anyway.
Hit the nail on the head. This comment needs more attention
100% nailed it
Plus there's little honor in it anymore. You're more likely to be considered a murderer than a hero. Why throw away years of your life (and potentially your life itself) when that's your reward?
It was like that after Vietnam. In the 70s to early 80s. people didn't want to join because of like you said.
Thank God combat has always been a gentle, no stress, low stakes endeavor.
Maybe this is why we just convince proxies like the Ukraine to die for our geopolitical goals...
@@fluffybunny1200 you don't learn how to deal with stress by being stressed all the time. You're just compounding stress on top of stress.
@@Lulu_Lime Humans are top of food chain because we are the best problem solvers. If we are under stress, we learn to adapt or eliminate it.
Nothing like stress to prepare you for more stress. Thats why ptsd is such a blessing.
I’ll put any American “woke” soldier up against anyone. Woke or asleep.
I served 30 years in an allied nation, belittling or verbally abusing an individual does not make a better servicemen. Making them feel that they are special, needed, important and providing them the tools to become better will produce a better serviceman. My mother was dying of cancer so my service temporary posted me to a post near where she lived and my immediate superior allowed me to take early knock offs so I could spend time with her. My pay was not great but when the service gave me this I felt I owed the service everything I had left.
Soldiers are not individually special, they work together like a well oiled machine. If a soldier thinks they’re special, then they will act like they’re better than everyone else.
@@softdrink-0 Each part of a well oiled machine must be perfect. They didn't mean special as in "they deserve more than everyone else"; they meant special as in being appreciated as an individual, with a life and family, who is giving their hands, their time and their effort to be a part of a system that needs them. Treat your soldiers like expendable trash, and you'll get yourself a dehumanized force who has no reason to serve a country that doesn't respect them. That's actually what's happening to the US.
Nop. It make it spoiled and soft. Military are made of groups, not a single individual, we don't need any brat with attitude...
You get back out what you put in. You want recruits that give respect, you have to give respect. You treat recruits like garbage, you get garbage recruits
@@evolatile3871Bullshit. Don't speak about what you don't know.
The guy who said “That shrapnel can’t yank it like that” was my DS in AIT. DS Berry. He was by far one of the greatest Drill Sergeants anyone could have. He was stern and disciplined but there was no doubt in anyone’s mind he wanted to make all of us the best soldiers we could be.
Went to infantry basic training 2011. My SDS put the fear of God into me. I gained so much discipline because I was that clown who got his platoon smoked because I had no discipline before entering. He would cuss us out, smoke us for hours and made sure we were motivated daily. We won Platoon of the cycle. He won DS of the cycle. We won almost every event.
Who was your DS? I was there in ‘96 C-1/19
Fuckin Noah man he got us all smoked!!! Hahahaha right on brother! We got our asses handed to us in the pouring rain at victory pond right after our lunch of the b-unit c-rats because of a dude lacking in discipline that dude made it but he didnt change much he was a problem child all the way thru the cycle
@@bobbya8628Reserves, National Guard, and Active Duty are mixed together at BCT
I was at Sand Hill in 2011 as well. C company 2-47
@@bobbya8628 before the army became pussified, and "woke" benning was the home of the most jarring basic/osut training the army offered. Nothing like relaxing Jackson or ft sill. They created lean mean soldiers at Benning. But I'm also totally biased because I'm a Benning boy myself hehe
Prior service in the Army here. I'll say this: I didn't stay in not because I don't like the way Army conduct itself. I actually enjoyed my almost 10 years of service a lot. The structure, the endless opportunities, and the comradery are superior to the civilian world. I didn't re-up because I'm tired of the BS wars our politicians keep sending us in. I'm tired of being an expendable piece destroying innocent lives just so some 1% wealthy elites can sell more missiles and war machines to make even more money.
War is a racket brother. The 1% make money coming and going, some of them are getting money from both sides in any conflict. I'm retired now and got sick of seeing flag draped coffins, of body bags with good kids in them. All while rich elitists play tennis and 3rd generation trust fund babies casually follow in their parents footsteps to perpetuate the machine. If we made a law that forced the military age family members of every politician and wealthy person into front line units, they'd be less likely to make money off our blood; not saying they'd try to be humane or earn it but it might slow their roll about wars for profit and fun.
You should’ve stayed in the least got the message about The truth not liking being sent on fools errand so now they contract poor countries to fight our battles for us like Ukraine and Sudan.
@@Mortablunt Yes, because ukraine wants to be at war with Russia.
You are a soldier, how do you not understand that historically 99. 9999999% of wars are BS. You are there to steal oil from other countries by brute force, to allow for drug dealers to grow poppy, to do coups for for lithium and so on. Name one just war the USA has participated in the last 100 years, even world war 2 was about American global hegemonic interest
@@Mortablunt we didn't ask Russia to invade Ukraine did we? no it's Russia fault they want a war. Ukraine is not our problem as they are not in NATO and we are helping them by giving them supplies our time will come when it does so i'd stfu if i were you. and most of the time it's us fighting Europe's battles you know how many times we've had to save Europe's ass?
My father retired as a Sergeant Major. He was an instructor and was stationed in Texas during the Vietnam Police Action. Obviously, he was one of the lucky ones at that time. One of the things that he took notice of and never pushed on to his children, was the verbal abuse. However, the white glove did come out every once in a while after we cleaned.
I recently graduated from USMC OCS and I got to say the drill instructors were hard on all of us. Some of us even felt targeted at times. What can I say, it's an uncompromising forge? It made me, me again. I owe a lot to those Marines.
I do not think being hard is what people complain. But there are ways of being hard that convey the message and the teaching better than others. You can be demanding, and do it in a form that the recruit can focus on what he needs to learn not on your PERSON as a sergeant.
@@tiagodagostini it's called Basic COMBAT Training. Not Basic Daycare. Combat is loud, people use naughty words, an enemy is trying to kill you, it's extremely stressful. I was prepared by my Drill Sergeant in 2005 to go into combat in 2006 because I had learned how to think when in a high stress environment. I learned how to filter out the noise when everything is loud to hear my team leader. War is hard. Basic training should be too. It's really only red phase that they're yelling all the time because that's the point of red phase, to break you down and rebuild you. You don't really learn anything until the end of red phase. And they're not yelling during the actual instruction. You 100% have never served in a military branch in the US or you'd know it isn't all the time and that yelling is used during certain parts, not the blocks of instruction where they're explaining what to do and how to do it.
@@CubeInspector THat is NOT the point. Way to miss what I said. My point is that when the sargent tries to force the voice so loud that it FAILS, squaerks, or is clearly harming the sargent, that is detrimental to his image. BEign loud and clear only helps up to a point, anythign above that and you look cartoonish.
It's ok to be under pressure. It made me stronger as a sailor.
As someone who went through the Vietnam era training (which was still in effect when I joined in 2001 - yes I was in basic training when 9/11 happened), I think this is a good step to improve the culture. That being said, I didn't leave the army because of basic. I left because of how poor my leadership was, how they made life miserable, and because I vowed not to let anyone have that kind of control over my life ever again. I hope this truly turns a new leaf for the Army.
No offence but your profile picture looks like a discord moderator
Considering what the US Military does and has to do abroad, it likely can never change. What they put young men and women through, to subjugate abroad cannot be done in a healthy way. The US hasn't fought a war for "good" in a century.
@@infirite72 haha, that pic is probably 12 years old. Was discord even a thing then?
I bet you vote democrat
The military is so woke, I would never do it again. I talked my son out of joining,
I left because how the whole organization functions as a whole not because of my drill Sgt actually I love how hard they were on me it showed me they cared
What happened?
Same! I was in the air guard for 12 years. I LOVED boot camp. I was a very soft kid and it helped toughen me up and to no longer care about someone screaming in my face. It was the Air Force as a whole. People being in leadership role that they had no business being. It kind of seemed like the shit rose to the top. I could not respect is anymore. I am glad I served but so glad I am out. The military culture can be an extremely toxic one.
You hit the nail on the head
Wow. I volunteered and completed DS school in 1992. This is way different. I like it. I was always focused on getting the soldier the proper training while ensuring they were well cared for mentally, physically and spiritually if desired. There were many DS who were just aggressive, I usually found that they were the least competent and that false bravado was just trying to hide it, whether they knew it or not. If you are a competent leader, there is no need to humiliate anyone. You can be tough without being an jerk. I enjoyed those 2 years. It was grueling but the reward was great.
"Mentally, physically, and spiritually". I'm very glad you brought that last point up, because spiritual health is very often overlooked by many. In the Mexican Military, for example, we do not have chaplains, which I find outrageous. Not only are the majority of the personnel religious believers, but a military chaplaincy service is something basic in most militaries around the world.
When I did American Legion Boy’s State, I had a Marines Drill Srg who pushed me to do my best but understood me at my worst. That’s a good leader.
I feel bad for the new Soldiers. Drill sergeants yelling and cursing at my buddies and i were some of the best memories I have during basic. They say some pretty funny stuff and when you're away from friends, family and technology you actually enjoy the comedy of it.
I graduated a year ago, had plenty of the swearing and yelling, still wasn't as much as back home though
My drills never cared about that. They joked about hoping a trainee who had a heat stroke died and called him a weak b**ch but then again I was at fort Benning so 🤷🏼♂️
I just recently graduated Basic and there was some pretty funny moments. Mainly people being unable to count but it was still fun.
The enemy thinks much much worse…. So it’s only right to get used to it,
@@boydscanlan9152 where you getting stationed?
You can be hard on trainees as long as you actually gaf about them. I can't stand leadership who thinks their hot shit and hard but don't care about the guys under them. You can be an awesome nco and not act like you're untouchable. Everyone makes mistakes while learning and it's normal to ask questions. I don't think the problem is that DS are too hard on trainees its the fact some of them think they can get away with slick shit. Leadership is literally what gets people to either leave or stay in the military, aside from other things.
the whole culture of being harsh started in ww2 because the army was DESPERATE to get trained men FAST. it forced them to use what we now see has harsh tacticts, to get people trained as fast as possible
@@orangepeel1073similar to parents who belt their kids to teach them swifter and in a less stable way than healthy reprimanding.
The big thing in my mind is that DS are the future leaders of the army, they're (supposedly) picked from only the top NCOs in their field, and NCOs who've done Drill broadening assignments are looked at most favorably for promotions. How we train our DS will color the views and culture of the army 10 years from now. They need to be shown you don't have to yell, demean, and abuse your subordinates to be an effective leader. How the system has been is why so much toxic leadership is tolerated.
The Navy is the worst
Pansy
I can't speak for others, but for me in basic training in 1996, I liked that the drill instructors were rough and tough on us. That was always the point of it. To see if you could function in a stressful environment and still think. They are there to prepare future soldiers for war. Now, as far as leaving early, I left after eight years because two contracts and 5 deployment were enough for me. It's hard to make the military a lifelong career and live a normal life. As a single soldier, I had no problems, but those with families I could see how stressful it was on them.
I think this is a good step towards recognizing the humanity of the soldiers being asked to risk their lives in their military service. Making recruits feel like dirt or swearing at them constantly is unnecessary. It also leads to leadership devaluing the people under them by making hazing a ritual process that follows soldiers during their service. There is no reasonable purpose to train people while berating them. You can achieve the same functions previous training was supposed to provide without the false bravado of the past training. The goal is teamwork, preparation, and professionalism. The more soldiers with that honor bound service in mind, the better the military will be long term.
Well said.
I came up in the old system but my own leadership style is far less fear oriented. Both approaches have value but knowing when to implement them is the key to efficiency and retaining high performers. If you only solve things with a hammer all problems will become nails.
Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look upon them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death. If, however, you are indulgent, but unable to make your authority felt; kind-hearted, but unable to enforce your commands; and incapable, moreover, of quelling disorder: then your soldiers must be likened to spoilt children; they are useless for any practical purpose. Sun Tzu, The Art of War
@@wazapawaable buddy. I’m sitting here enjoying a beer. Got out of court today. Have a $1400 restitution and order to go to the army within 8 weeks ,, 6 to pay of fines and total of 8 to work out enlistment. No proper ID. Watching these videos finally about to fulfill a dream I’ve always had. Back to the point sir. That sounds like a Bible quote
@@thatoutlawed_7.3l89 courts can still order you to serve in the army ?
@@vince11harris Yeah, but I never heard of it actually happening in 24 years of service. Maybe if he's young and recruitment is down judges are giving the option. I'll give the benefit of doubt, though it sounds strange.
It sounds like y'all were doing what we were doing. We never yelled really after we got them to phase 2, unless it was deserving, to make a point, or to increase the stress factor. I don't think what they are doing now is completely a good thing. BCT is supposed to train you to work under extreme and difficult pressure by simulated situations that mimic the types of scenerios a soldier may find themselves in one day. The pressure part. It is supposed to show a couple of weeds who would never cut it and risk death or be a risk of death in the future. I am wondering how many of these new DIs have any real combat experiences giving that most lifers in the 2001-2008 groups should be retiring age. The only scenerio I know that the military has had since 2014 battle against ISIS...is the Afghanistan withdrawal and Afghanistan was a real shitshow the last time I was there trying to train those guys*. Not to say individual pockets of infantry aren't out there fanning the flames on good days to die. *The day before I left we found a squad of Afghan soldiers who were putting the live IEDs, mortars, and mines they were finding under their beds instead of turning them in. All to protect their opiate supplies from being stolen. About as much information as I was ever forwarded on the subject.
I was a Drill Sergeant and we had CSM King at the school house. I'll never forget what she said. "Your combat experience means nothing when it comes to training soldiers!" At the end of her speech she asked if we had any questions. I raised my hand and was called on. I said "If our combat experience means nothing when it comes to training soldiers, then why is it called Basic Combat Training?" She was not happy and told me to sit down. She had been in the military for over 20 years at the time and never served in combat. Not in the first gulf war, not in the Stan or Iraq. She kept dodging those deployments. She got suspended two or three classes later so its all good.
She?
@@robertisham5279 CSM King was a she.
Was she the 'in the rear with gear' type or did she just have a big rear?
She was a total hack of an NCO. She got paid tho. Pays to play victim in the Army.
She said that because her lack of a left patch made her insecure.
I graduated basic in 2006 and it was a feeling of accomplishment I only felt after graduating highschool up to that point ( I was 19 when i joined.) I left the army because my leadership was incompetent and had an aversion to bad decision making. I was miserable under them.
A great advance in thinking to restrict negative reinforcement and embrace positive reinforcement. Went thru Ft. Jackson, SC in 1984. Drill Sgt. Wooten already was grasping this technique...ahead of his time...one fine D.I.!
I joined the Navy right before 9-11 and bootcamp was so much fun to me. It was challenging but I had fun in basic training. I learned to not take "drill sergeant talk" to seriously and just keep pushing forward.
Well, I know I'm just stating the obvious. But, when they call you names or cuss you out, basically haze you. It's to push you to your limits and use anger to motivate you further to complete a course or just flat out get through basic.
@@Airland_combat Facts, I loved it. I had my mind made up that I was not going to retreat no matter how tough it gets. Sometimes in life I have to reach back and channel that "No Retreat" energy to get me through challenging times. I'm actually going through challenges now.
My drills were tough and mean as hell and I still remember their names , they made me be able to handle all situations and never say I can't. I went in 1989
I was the same era as you, 1990 here. I've got to wonder how soldiers in today's military are going to function under stress in such a kinder and gentler military.
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative They won't. People think it's just a crazy conspiracy theory, but this is all part of the plan to make our country vulnerable.
@Joe Shmoe You're welcome for my cervix
Went to fort Dix 1989 I won't ever forget or regret it Go Army!
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative they'll be runnin back to the apc and when their commander asks them what happened they go 'Sir, the sniper hurt my feeling'
I still miss the day of my days at Fort Jackson. I have nothing but respect for the drill sergeant of my former training unit.
I was in 1st battalion 13th infantry regiment for my BCT at Fort Jackson my drills were cool and I have nothing but respect for them
This is for bootcamp, the real problem in the military is after bootcamp. Lack of leadership training, holding people accountable, and taking away those weird gray areas. These bootcamp changes CAN lead to people in their first enlistment thinking they’re equal to senior ranking members. I’m curious to see the actual Recruit training videos.
Isn't the giving the lowest ranks a say one of the things the US military prides itself most on? First enlistment soldiers should be equal to senior ranking members - the problems start when they think they're better than them.
It looks a little like boy scouts. They are asking for values. Wow,they soft now. I was trained in '79 to breath as one. Everyone thought the same way after training.
The mil is pretty cute these days..show the high heel clip
They treat the enlisted like absolute dog shit and then wonder why they can’t retain anybody. In the Corps, everybody with a brain got out as soon as they could. That leaves the people who like the power and the glory to stay in. Cycle continues. Until they get rid of the shitheads who get off on berating 19 year olds, it’ll keep getting worse. You know how your military ends up like Russia’s? That’s how. Nobody who can think for themselves.
All in the correct effort to lower risk of ptsd
I joined the Air Force but my basic similarly had notably less yelling and less arbitrary stress. I actually liked my drill instructors in basic, they were stern and strict but it was clear that they only wanted the best for us and they were completely fair. I feel like we actually put even more effort in because we respected and appreciated our drill instructors than another flight that had your classic drill instructors who would yell and create problems out of literally anything.
Did you have pillow fights in basic? LoL!
Good grief….
Nerd
@@Joemama-km9np Fair drill instructors = no rules? Are you delusional lmao
@@patriotsedge6730 I know, drill instructors will create a problem out of literally nothing sometimes, it's crazy isn't it? I'm so glad I had drill instructors who treated me like an adult instead of a stupid, petulant child and rightfully yelled and punished us when we did something genuinely and understandably wrong. Or did you mean something else by "good grief"?
There needs to be high stress experience during basic training. I've seen a few people crumble under pressure and stress in the field because they haven't really experienced it before. It can come in the later stages and should be from an outside source and not the MTIs, but having people break down from stress in a controlled environment where help and treatment is close, specialized, and plentiful is and invaluable experience for all military members. Maybe something akin to very basic POW training would be ideal. Exposing them to that level of stress early shows people areas for improvement and that assistance is available to deal with the fallout after it happens. This trains them to seek proper help and how to identify when help is needed.
That's why it makes no sense to remove shark week. It served as a shock and awe and got that freeze response out of them.
this is the most genuine and insightful comment section in all of youtube. Very interesting to read soldiers experiences within BASIC and beyond. If I can extended an olive branch I'll say that whether civilian or soldier we can all relate to absolutely abysmal leadership and the feeling that brings
Went to Basic almost 20 years ago, combat vet and I'll tell you that I got out because of toxic leadership not the way my drill treated me in basic. Good troops leave because the fastest runner with a high PT score gets promoted and then emulates what they see in the previous toxic leaders. Its leadership that makes the difference and I am willing to bet not much has changed in 20 years, all of this sounds good, and I am certain the CSM means everything he says but again it's what happens after they get in the units that drive good troops out. At the core it is explained in the video clearly, all of the soldiers have to "relearn" basic fundamentals, everyone should be proficient with a rifle and basic soldier skills. In the pre-deployment phase for combat we had to "reorient" ourselves with basic soldier skills in order to make sure we were ready. This was so eye opening to me at the time because we focused on a ton of stuff that didn't really matter..... very telling. I enjoyed my time and was proud to serve my country and will always be proud of the things I accomplished but this seems so alien to me. I will probably be dismissed as "old school" or maybe even insensitive, but we all are entitled to our views because of those that serve.
Sounds about right, but I was lucky when I did basic. DS Wintersteen treated us with respect and truly cared about how we felt and made sure we never felt sore from PT. Benning 2001(summer) 🇺🇸🫡
Yep, the classical favoritism towards cock sucking butt kissers or cute young female troops never went away and probably never will.
Yeah the infantry is still like this in 2023 lol. Dogshit leadership ruining what could be a smooth operation.
Hello jay. Do I know you?? I haven’t lived in NC since 2005.
Most people become corrupted the moment they get a sense of power
Being a drill sergeant to drill seargent must have you feeling like the final boss
I can tell the day it changed August 2006 my time in basic until I graduated in October. This was a critical moment. When certain rules have changed this was the last moment that the last of the real army existed. Alpha Company 3-13th Fort Jackson SC 2006.
I joined the Army in 1995 and I don't know about anywhere else but where I was in Ft. Jackson, SC a Drill Sergeant there once said they don't yell, they speak loud enough for everyone to hear. There's a difference between yelling and speaking loud enough. By using your diaphragm you can project your voice. Albeit when we get pissed, we naturally yell and it's hard to keep one's cool but via discipline, taking a moment, and remaining professional, you'll gain respect and accomplish more by setting an example.
I loved and embraced the way basic training was ran in 2017 when I joined. I left the army because there was a lot of illegal punishments and mistreatment and favoritism going on within my unit. My leadership failed their soldiers and younger NCOs like myself. The army needs to clean up these units. Especially in Fort Lewis. My unit had a 0% reenlist meant rate. Basic training was probably one of my favorite parts of the army.
I was in 2005-2007, at the time it was considered the 'easiest basic training ever'. Various insisting and pushing to be 'airborne' when i got to Bragg, told by my doctor my physical pain was all 'in my head', them giving the technical jobs i would have been good at to other people and never offering it to me, the 'dog and pony show' it was in Korea. And then how the national guard got sent because they had to be doing the war in iraq/iran, a job they weren't intended for. No, i wouldn't recommend joining for any reason at all right now.
@@erascarecrow2541 I can agree to that. U see how nobody is joining right now anyway 😂 but did u at least get some disability out of it?
Yup! I was in the Air Force, they recently did a big change to basic training because they had a huge scandal with illegal punishments, near-torture (Drills putting bleach in the showers and making the trainees do pushups in there, etc), sexual harassment (taking trainees off base...). People thought it was "stupid" they're making it "too easy" when in reality it was to focus on the training part of basic training and not cruelty for the sake of cruelty.
Illegal punishments... basic in 09 someone misplaced a rifle for 3 hours. The drill sergeants used the rubber bullets for the next days drills to illegally teach forced retreat for 3 hours. My hip dislocation that night was a lie and a myth because of my white skin. I'm pretty sure woke broke the military.
@@erascarecrow2541 Maybe you just weren’t qualified for the things you wanted to do?
So proud of the cameraman now he has become a drill sergeant.
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You win sir!
For sure weak as shit!
That DS looks like he's in love with that private lmao, but its tough love though.
As a civilian I think it's probably a nice change. The point in the beginning about screaming at people and degrading them bringing up their guard and making them shut down and stop trying to cooperate is certainly true for me. Obviously there's a time and a place for cursing and yelling at people at the top of your lungs; during a battle it's too loud and high stress to communicate without getting loud. But during training and first impressions, you don't want people to shut down right? You want them to be engaged and trying to learn and follow your commands. They volunteered to come, so if you want them to stay maybe telling them that they're worthless isn't a great tactic. That doesn't mean you can't hold them to a high standard though and demand that they perform well and display discipline. Yell at the people who aren't following orders.
I feel like if you can’t mentally handle a guy yelling at you for a couple seconds when he yells at dozens of other guys around you at the same intensity all the time then you probably aren’t the best suited for a WAR
As someone who never wanted to join the army because of what i saw before and after what happened to my relatives, being excited to join, happy filled with joy about life and thinking about the future to coming out and the police treat them like their time in the military didn't matter, to having to go to the VA, to ptsd to not knowing which way to turn for years to the great benefits and having ppl care about you. It was very up and down, i thought about it several times to thinking about not scoring high enough on the asvab to being to old now and my time passing by to having a family. So much made me not want to join but its good to see they are changing their ways to training. Hopefully the new generation wants to give it a go. 18-39
The drill sergeant in the thumbnail, SFC Walker, was my drill sergeant in basic training in 2019. He taught us a lot in those 14 weeks. Crazy to see that he’s at the drill school now.
If you don't get you're simping ass out here 🤣🤣. PANDA BAY 4LIFE
damn
I just got through Basic a month ago and my names Walker 🤣🤣
@The Fires of Mount Doom That's why nobody is joining
That dude has the most infantry jawline ever and I’m hard for it
I went through BCT over 20 years ago and I'll never forget my Drills. It's far from an easy life for them on the trail.
POGS though My 11B built different
@@chico8738 11 Charlie bct and ait yessir
92Y Unit Supply Specialist here. Most hardcore MOS in the Army. Represent yeah!
@@chico8738 11B grammar too
Great respect and appreciation for my Drill Sergeants at Ft. Leonard Wood in the 70's. These were heroes who lived through Viet Nam and then the hell that they encountered when they came home.They helped us develop physical and mental strength, so we could meet our duties. They broke us down to build up our confidence and with it our ability to make informed decisions. They taught us how to survive. They made me a better man.
God bless drill sergeant trainees. Such good folks on the whole.
When I was in the Army, I was sent to the Navy's dive medical course with Recon Corpsmen. Coming from the Ranger Regiment & RTB, my vocabulary consisted of profanity and exclamation points. The Chief running the course stopped me in the middle of a training session to tell me that I was too intelligent to be using the F-word in every sentence. That moment stayed with me almost as much as any other lesson I've learned in my life.
He's not wrong.
Ft. Lewis ?
Scientific research has shown that profanity is typically used more often from people with higher iq's, but alright.
@@josephlane1614 And an intelligent person can also communicate without using profanity which was the point the Chief was making to the Ranger.
@@mainely8007 we could communicate with smoke and sign language too, but nothing says you need to be here right now like "get the **** over here." This isnt high school, this is professional force that's designed to be violent.
When I was in boot camp on a Sunday our DI came in drunk and we thought we were going to have an easy day. After the first 5 miles of him running backwards and us forward we changed our minds. Sgt Bell, tough as they come.
yeah I've seen guys chainsmoking Export A Greens smashing back a triple triple coffee then run us into the dirt.
When my dad did his service in the Austrian Army from ‘80 to ‘81 the NCO On-Duty was inspecting his platoons rifle cleaning progress every hour. With each passing hour he came into the barracks room increasingly drunk, until he practically stumbled into the room, barely being able to walk. When i served from ‘20 until April of '23 that wasn’t the norm anymore, but I saw a couple of sergeants with noticeable hangovers and one time a fully plastered captain who held a closing speech and led the daily push up session in the evening.
I remember Ft. Jackson Basic Training we didn’t say Yes, we responded to everything with “Black Lions” Drill sarn’t lol crazy but good times
One time during boot camp, I responded(out of frustration) to my sergeant with,” You a real tough guy, knowing imma get in trouble if I do something to”… This demon looked at me with most devious smile, and said, “We can go to a secluded spot and fight til the death”……..The joy in that man eyes shook me a little bit ngl…… I haven’t spoken out of frustration since😂
I believe it. Had a drill sergeant I believe he's a little f-up in the head.
you know he was just waiting for SOMEONE to just say something. he couldnt wait to beat some new recruit.
Then he was an idiot. Just like the Russians since WW2. Badly train on mass and make sure they fear what's behind them more than what's in front. Doesn't work.
Ah yes. The lapse of judgement.
I would of been like lets fuckin go!
Being a vet, I have earned the right to say this: Combat will not be gentle with the recruits. Boot camp must be difficult and almost harsh to weed out those individuals who will get themselves and others killed while they are performing their duty and completing a mission. That's real.
you would think this would be obvious. A soldier should be able to deal with stress, the enemy will not be kind because your feelings are hurt.
You need conforming, non-thinking, principless, stand-for-nothing, told-what-to-think-and-believe, willingly/blindly-led, tyranny-worshipping morons to become part of an army that is a part of a totalitarian-cabal-controlled government.
@@afout07 👍
@Joe Shmoe 👍
Bit of a catch-22 isn't it? The percieved difficulty is apparently driving recruitment to record lows but an easier time in bootcamp apparently makes an incompetent recruit. From this perspective you could have a millitary with few strong recruits or a military with many weak ones.
0:22 Very interesting that the army decides it does not work to not scream at new recruits any more. In my opinion many (military) leaders don't know the operation they are in. You have to act entirely different when you are in some trench defending your position or in combat under heavy fire as well as you have to act different when you want to teach new recruits and make them believe in the values of the army (looking at 2:47 I would say that they are really good ones to have)
I do somewhat think that if we were to reinstate the draft, we would need to bring back the old way of doing drill instruction, though. The approach here actually seems to be simply emphasizing high standards and weeding out those who can't meet them in a less rude way, but with also less willingness to push them hard. The way it was before, was they would work really hard to mold even reluctant recruits who weren't cutting it at first into soldiers. I think the way they are doing it now, they will just tell what the standards are, assess whether you meet them, and send you home if you don't meet them. So, I guess positive in the sense that there's less rudeness, but also negative in the sense that if you don't meet the standards right off the bat, they won't try very hard to mold you into a soldier and will just discharge you. So ironically, I get the feeling that the old DIs cared more about making sure anyone who really wanted to get through and was willing to endure the abuse and work at improving themselves could make it through... now it's like, your persistence under pressure makes no difference, they will just assess what you can do and send you home if you aren't soldier material already. This seems like a reasonable approach for an all-volunteer army, but I don't see how this would ever work with drafted men.
I would refuse to do anything if I was forcefully drafted. I would never kill or hurt anyone for a country I don't respect.
Reality is if people are drafted though some people straight up are not going to be molded into a soldier because they don't want to. I highly doubt a DI yelling at me would ever mold me into anything except an incredibly bitter person who would hate the government for forcing me into service.
The drill sergeant from forrest gump is the epitome of a good drill sergeant.
GUUUUUUUMP!
God damn it, Gump! You're a god damn genius! This is the most outstanding answer I have ever heard. You must have a goddamn I.Q. of 160!
During Basic, he’ll teach trainees of how to play Ping Pong correctly lol
@@amadeusagripino6862 what is your sole purpose in the Army?
@@internetperiodista TO DO WHATEVER YOU TELL ME DRILL SERGEANT
The British army have adopted this technique and have been doing it for some years now, getting into the British army is difficult, convoluted and incredibly drawn out, it is in itself a test of commitment, therefore by the time a recruit makes it in front of the DS, they have already proved their willingness to be there
If the UK is doing this then we losing our next war for sure 😅
Let's hope there are no more wars but if needed I will put the uniform back on God bless America!
@@gabriellangford2730 uk army standard and train are pretty damn good. I mean the gurkhas training and selection is mad tho.
@@gabriellangford2730 They've been doing it for decades mate. The English way of doing things, NEVER involved the absolute joke of the shark attack
@@PBMS123 UK military isn’t quite up to par
Having experienced the old way four years ago at Ft Sill, I can tell you that 95% of soldiers in training were only looking forward to leaving the Army ASAP. Drill Sergeants are Bullies, not Trainers.
we had it rougher as recruits in the USMC basic 35 yrs ago than what we just watched become drill sergeants
I didn't have a problem with basic training, even though I fractured my foot and got held over. What made me realize 'this ain't for me' was later on in my regular unit. Asshole NCOs, dilapidated barracks, our entire year's training budget shot by April, broken down vehicles, constant 'hurry up and wait' bullshit, 1% pay raises... this is accepted as "what do you expect, it's the Army!" Well, it's also why so many do their first enlistment then get the hell out.
I'm considering leaving
@@xigamma1457 Speaking from experience, have a plan when you get out to use the GI bill and dont use it on underwater basket weaving, youll be fine. Civilian sector is great right now, corporations love prior service folks.
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ you have the Bible app on your phone.
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ Hail Odin!
@@GankWater I think that depends on the state as well unless the manager is prior service, because some civilians don't give a shit
I may forget some of high school teacher names, but I'll never forget my drill sergeants
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@@AngelLopez-is12 platoon got smoked at least 2 times a day
Bro saaame
Sarg: **sniff** I SMELL SOMETHING**KICKS DOOR** WHY IS YOUR BED NOT MADE? PRVT: SORRY SARGENT SARG: DO I LOOK LIKE A SORRY SARGENT PRVT: MY APOLOGIES SARGENT SARG: WHY ARE YOU APOLOGIZING RATHER THAN FIXING THAN YOUR BED PRVT:MY APOLOGIES SARGENT
To be fair a lot of high school teachers are losers. My history teacher basically grew his virginity back and gave me an F 'accidentally' after he noticed I dated a student he groomed once. Shit was all kinds of wrong for him lol.
Reinforcement, positive pressure and building on strengths rather than negatively reinforcing and berating someone leads to a better soldier… my god why didn’t I think of that?!?!?!
"be honest" mate, that one bit of advice has caused me so much grief and headache. And I ain't trying to fight people who not only want to kill me but are armed to do it. There's a reason deception is the primary weapon of war. If your enemy knows what you're going to do. They can prepare and react to it. Honesty is something everyone loves. Your friends, your enemy, your family. They can all figure out what to expect from you because "you're honest".
Joined 25 years ago, am a combat veteran, and one of my proudest moments in life is ultimately earning the respect of my drill sergeant who had yelled and cussed at me for 8 weeks. Drill Sgt Cantrell demanded my absolute best and showed me what I was capable of when under immense pressure and scared out of my mind. They're not yelling and cussing "to get someone to do something", they are yelling and cussing to train recruits how to perform under pressure, which is an essential skill for performance in combat.
I totally agree. I've never been to war but I would bet my house that no one talks to you politely from the other side that's trying to kill you.
@@antdenzic7977 They won't be talking at you they'll be shooting at you. Yelling doesn't really emulate that atmosphere.
If you can’t handle a bit of yelling I doubt you will do better under worse conditions.
@@antdenzic7977 94% of the Army is non-combat. There is plenty of time for screaming in other training specific to combat roles. Army has a recruitment problem and an image problem. You can adapt and update or you can wither away and bring back a draft. Choice is yours.
@@snowbear163 Bring back the draft.
CO once told me, idc if you have the highest pt scores or best shooter, anyone can easily replace you. You are just a NUMBER!! That opened my eyes and viewed everything differently. Glad im out but proud i served!!
Lol I thought the same thing but if you can’t get people join I’m not replaceable hahah they should treat us like we not not replaceable and people would stay
My CO said the same he got out after I did, now I make triple what I did then
@@rex4571 same here lol
Ok they did all this work at the BCT level but like you mentioned what are they actually doing at the FORSCOM level I recently witnessed the mishandling of situations with the junior enlisted and as an NCO I had brought it up to leadership and they would just sweep it under the rug. The unit leadership made sure I knew I was replaceable but I was still there for the junior Soldiers.
@Yummy Spaghetti Noodles I don't think you have a clue of what they do or how a "starving homeless person" could do it. Most homeless I've seen are there because of mental illness, drug addiction, or sometimes being fresh out of jail/prison. Simply being "a body" doesn't work in skilled labor as it might in unskilled labor. 🤨
In 1987 I was part of a platoon who were the last to go through the old WWII barracks at Ft Sill. Drills were still allowed to put their hands on you. I ETS’d after 11 years of active, honorable service not because of drill sergeants but because of injuries - I am an American Paratrooper and combat veteran
I think the Army is wise to consider adjusting processes borne out of a different time, the kind of recruits signing up today are not what was drafted decades ago, so the training process shouldn't be identical. That said, I don't think boot camp and mean Drill Instructors/Drill Sergeants is even close to the primary reasons people leave the service or refuse to join at all, namely toxic leadership, physical abuse, sexual assault, hazing, and the like. Fortunately, things are at least slowly improving on some of those issues. I went through MCRD San Diego in 2010
Joined up in "73", DI's still could give you a smack around needed... Best bc training I ever had. It wasn't the DI's that had me wanting to just do my three and get out, it was the government as a whole! The DI's were the best part of the Army.
31 years, 7 months, 8 days in the U.S. Army, I retired in 2018; I miss it every day. Well done Soldiers, well done. The best friends you’ll ever have in your life will of those you served with. You go through the suck together.
I am a service connected veteran and I agree with you
Repent and trust in Jesus. we deserve Hell for our sins. For example lying, lusing, saying God's name as a cuss word and stealing our just some examples of sin which we can all admit to doing at least one of those. For our sin we deserve death and Hell, but there is a way out. Repent anf trust in Jesus and you will be saved. Repentence is turning from sin. So repent and trust in Jesus. He will save you from Hell, and instead give you eternal life in Heaven. John 3:16 Romans 3:23❤😊❤❤
Training must be more harsh than the situation you will encounter. We do not rise to our expectations we fall to the level of our training.
I don't think all soldiers need to be trained against psychological abuse.
@@Pranav_Bhamidipati weak shit. Stress inoculation isn't psychological abuse
Train harder than you fight.
@@Pranav_Bhamidipati you think cussing ia abuse? what are you a beta? you think in war no one gonna cuss or when missile are coming at you its gonna explode into flowers? this why this country is on the down fall because weak pathetic men cant handle training and then everyone gets screwed
Good luck simulating ied explosions in training
the retention and recruitment problem comes from toxic leadership, which is reciprocal and arguable learned from your first introduction in the military. it makes since. a beat dog bites
Psych 101, You don't listen to people that shout to you, you don't take them seriously. Shouting is a form of aggression which trigger the antagonistic response mechanism of our brains. If there is a need to shout, you as a leader are doing something wrong. It's very easy to understand that a calm person radiate more charisma and conveys more confidence than a person shouting. Being calm means you are in control and that you have your shit together. Who want to be lead by someone not in control?
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
@@yummyspaghettinoodles1650 just as he said, weak men created this hard time and we got multiple ppl in power doing whatever they can to keep people weak
This is so inept it’s incredible
Good times make snowflakes
Good times can still create strong people 🤷♀️your nonsense is astonishing
Yes, the weak times that are created by the people who consider themselves the strong men that must quell the weak and degenerate.
I went in the ARMY in 1974 and quite frankly the drill sergeants we had were a hell of a lot easier than dealing with my polish mother, who had 6 kids. 😅
In remembrance of the leather belt.
I think all the branches should train with each other 🏆and have communication specialists that work between all the branches and always knows
I feel that people my age are less inclined to join because of not only anti-war movements, but also the push of culture for a higher education before anything else. I am joining for college tuition and career opportunities but others I know got scholarships and programs so that they don't need to join the military.
This sort of advanced training is what many professional soldiers have been calling for since before Viet Nam. It makes total sense and should be applied not only to military but law enforcement across the country. It instills pride, teamwork and strength while improving control over reactionary responses.
It's DS school. Nothing about any of this is advanced.
@@InitialFailure moving away from emotional triggered training to logical based training is advancing. Intuitive handle
@Robzilla1950 Well, as we all know, war is logical and devoid of emotion. This is clearly training "as you fight." Or is it? Is this any more advanced than trying to replicate the chaos of war? Are you sure this is "logical" to do?
@@InitialFailure As a veteran who spent time in recon in south Viet nam I find your comment childish and insulting. The only sector of training that applies the rant and rave piss your pants training is basic. What hardens a soldier is maturity and battle. Go away
@Robzilla1950 as a currently serving active Soldier myself of four combat tours in the Middle East as well as peace time missions in southeast Asia (Vietnam amongst others), I don't care about your veteran status as it's irrelevant in view of "me too" and oh yea, it has no bearing on the truth of this type of DS training being "advanced" or more "logical". So then, let's focus on the point you're making; "I'm right because I'm a veteran." Wow, it's not very convincing, as explained above. Care to elaborate, or are you content with "because you said so as a veteran" and keep going with the name calling as well? Is war chaos, or is it not? Should we train as we fight or should we not? It's not very, what'd you say, "logical" of you to carry-on with ad hominem attacks and arguments from authority when you clearly are not an authority.
A good sergeant pushes you to be the best version of yourself. There's just a limit for how far each person can be pushed before it turns counter productive. If you take things from face value only, you will never understand how much value the work of a drill sergeant brings you.
I do believe the reasoning behind yelling is to give people the conditions of combat zone. That does include loads of yelling and nerve wrecks.
@@eriksalusoo genuinely, I think that's won't work. Shouting and getting shot at isn't the same as shouting only. Nothing beats IRL war experience for actual war. Shouting now only hurt the whole army situation a lot more.
@@peacechan4500 The point of the shouting is to give the soldiers a little piece of the intensity and volume of war.
If you psychologically break from being shouted at, god forbid you ever go into a situation more stressful than that like combat or literally just war in general. The stress of basic also weeds out those who are mentally weak, because the mentally weak should not be the ones with weapons.
Accurate. I served in the army as a soldier, even tho it was not necessary to have a intense training, the fact that we were soldiers justified the unnecessary pressure and pointless trainings. But as a lieutenant once said, the troop is a direct reflection of it's commander. I've seen many sergeants and even officers with poor sensibility and respect for the values and the army's history.
I think we lost sight of what the basic combat training was designed for. its not yelling or cussing at you to get you to do something, its to get to see who does not have the intestinal fortitude to even take that. its to weed out the soft individuals that are not built for military life. if you can't handle some one yelling and cussing at you how the hell are you going to handle real time battle events? I was in during the whole Clinton regime ( granted I was only reserves and saw no r.t.w.e. ) but I would not be comfortable being in a war time situation with some one who can not take being yelled at. I mean what are you going to say at that moment " time out mr enemy your upsetting me and I cant think straight right now can you stop shooting please mr enemy? " I have to agree with some of the comments here also it is not the D.I.'S causing the exodus. my DI'S were great and they cussed and yelled t me daily.. it is the upper management and the failed commander in chief that does that. when you have a weak support staff that you can't trust it kind of makes you not want to join that organization.
Adapt and change. That is the heart of the military. Just because we got trained one way does not mean it is the only way. GO ARMY!!!!!!!
Was at Ft Sill in 1993. My senior Drill sgt had combat jump wings from Granada. He was the perfect example of who a soldier should be like. I served under the last of the Vietnam war guys. Got to meet a few MOH guys. A WW2 code talker and 3 Vietnam guys. I did my 4 and got out.
Your senior drill sergeant wasn't SFC Keeney was it? I was at Ft. Sill in 1995 and my senior drill sergeant had combat jump wings from jumping into Panama with the 82nd. Those days they didn't care about soldiers, in my opinion.
@@JasonSmith-vg8ew It was SFC Musslewhite. Was at D company 1/33rd. You were right about caring for soldiers.
I had SFC Lopez. He was with the 7th ID and was in Panama for Operation Just Because back in '91
@@dkkids . I think I remember him..
I was there June-August 1994. DS Stasik and DS Gigliotti (sp?) made it a living hell, but I'd go back tomorrow if I were able.
Did a 3 year 0911 rotation in the USMC. God bless my brothers and sisters in the Corp, Army, Navy, Air Force, & Coast Guard. God bless my fellow Americans and our great country. The honor was all mine.
What about coast guard
@@stealthotrapo9123 …..My bad….you’re right. Thank you for calling me out on that. Original comment now included USCG
How is it now? I'm going to DI school in the summer did we become woke as well?
We like to tease each other.. but God bless all military veterans
As a member of a different army i can say that Obviously changing Drill Sargeants attitude is something good but is literally giving painkillers to a stabbed man. Armies have a lot of internal issues because the whole system is based on who has a higher rank than you can treat you as they want but you must show respect to them
My father decided to not re-up after his tour was done, not because of his DI. It was his wet-behind-the-ears, freshly-commissioned 2nd Lieutenant, who struck his pack with a riding crop. Who the hell issued riding crops to junior officers in 1952?
People saying they didn't leave because of the Drill sergeant but because of other people. But they missing that the Drill Sergeant is the first person who trains all those people that made you leave. By changing the way Drill Sergeants train, it's the first step to changing the entire leadership. The people being trained now will be leadership in10, 20, 30 years.
Dont kid yourself.
No, drill sergeants have one critical job. Wash out people who are most likely to wash out in combat before they get someone else, or themselves, killed. No matter what role you get in the military if they need bodies in combat that is what you have to do. Some people just are not cut out for a volunteer war fighting machine. We don't have commissars shooting those who run, we don't need everyone to pass basic. If you cannot handle a Sargent screaming at you, you don't want to find out if you can handle bullets screaming at you. Softer drill Sargents just make softer privates, and softer privates just means heavier casualties. You survive quiting basic. Quiting combat? You might not be so lucky.
Nope, that's the political climate that influences live today that "trained" that kind of leadershit...
nope the military will continue to decline and be dead by 2030.. can't remain a super power forever ask the romans
That’s what you think, but most good leaders and soldiers in the army get out when they realize that their units prioritize high PT scores and ass kissing when promoting people, rather than work ethic and respect for others
Its quite simple, treat Vets as an actual job. The problem is, since Vietnam, the problems only got worse and modern combat improves, so the conflicts will get more deadly in scale, causing more PTSD. Treat warriors like a respected job again amongst everyone, sow integrity back into your organization, and provide those benefits you do, and better. Its about incentives. People want to die when theres a bigger shiny rock on the end.
Respect is earned not given.
Not an actual job, but provide help for reinsertion and therapy.
@ChYph3r x partially true, but not all true.
this is not a communism country my guy don’t use our tax to feed or cure other ppl
My father was a CPO in the Navy. Mom had been in the WAVES. There were nine of us kids and we were very well disciplined. Of course, this was decades ago, 1950’s, 1960’s.
Had the yelling type of basic, loved it... the leaders outside of basic were why I left.
Went through OSUT training at Fort Knox in 1985. Our drills put the fear of God into us and there were many times we hated them....but they were some of the finest soldiers I served with. They were tough, uncompromising and made us tough well trained soldiers.
You're f***kin' A right they did! Benning 86.
Ft. Jackson 86 Arrived for basic training and immediately the fat guys were given yellow sweats and run past us while we were encouraged to mock them. Can't imagine that's happening now.
@@mr.horrorchild4094 Nor should it. Seriously mocking fellow soldiers over their weight? Pathetic. I get it if people are dogging it further into training its one thing but upon arrival? Think about the impact that had on those people psychologically. These are people who frickin signed up to serve for this country and that is how they were treated? Seemed more like it was just breeding bullies instead of professional soldiers.
I was in the last all male basic class at Ft. Knox in 2000. We got a great experience, but one time we overheard the drill sergeants talking about the changes that were being made with the integration of women. We didn't think too much about it at the time, and some people were even jealous of the new classes. We had no idea just how sad a sign it was of things to come. My nephew just graduated AIT and the stories he tells paints a dark picture of how far the standards have fallen.
@@red2977 After I got out of the Army I went to university where, in one of my classes, a student suggested that the all volunteer military was better for the reasons that the recruits wanted to be there and would be better soldiers. That student had never been in the military.
As a active duty USMC Drill Instructor and then going through the Army Reserve Drill Sergeant academy I was blown away! I had to low key myself so much. I never let the USMC side go and had a hell of a time!
Crayons for life!
@@gilson1982 collateral damage, sorry...NOT sorry!
My brother was in the Marine Corps and had luxuries (for a lack of a better word) that Marines before did not have. Like being able to PT in go fasters and shorts, dump the boots Uncle Sam issued for more comfortable boots etc.
@@johnfitzgerald5445 No better friend… No worse enemy..
@@gilson1982 Oh, yes they do... They still shit themselves when the loudspeakers get too loud
A kinder, gentler Army...thats how you make warriors. 🤣 Ft. Benning Alumni Class of '87
Not in the Military but my older brother is he's an NCO now he's talked about bad leadership never a bad DS
I live near a military base, have lots of friends and family that served or still served. Their biggest issue with the army is leadership. It's the reason why most of my friends leave. It seems like the real issue is being swept under the rug.
I have nothing but respect for my drill sergeants. We all understood everything they put us through would make us better and that's where some of the strongest bonds outside of combat were formed. Meanwhile leadership looks for solutions to problems that don't exist to put on their resumes. If there actually is a problem they'll find the most idiotic solution possible.
I respected my DS and still do 30 years later.. .. I been to two different wars.. all war are winnable once you know the goals. At 66 years old I would go back in a second.. I had no bad experience not one in 19 years. Yes there is crime on every base. Like there is crime in every town ,,,city ,,,or state..
It’s government what else would you expect lol.
People are already -too- really gentle, we just need people to realize that being rough isn't an insult or a threat to everyone around them
@Lynn Xo no, but as a leader I would call you out when you are wrong, "Lynn". Demeaning people are demeaning to put others under them to inflate their ego, people that are actually tough understand the difference between being a jack-a and being tough on people to make them stronger. Ever hear the phrase "tough times make tough people"? I'm not saying there hasn't been jack-a's in leader positions, just saying you are wrong Background: Lynn basically said calling people out is "disrespectful" and I support demeaning people with the way I think
The CCP is training its soldiers to be hyper masculine super soldiers. Being gentle means a loss.
There is a huge difference between being aggressive and being demeaning and treating humans as less than gum on your shoe. There were plenty of successful leaders throughout history that rarely* raised their voice and had decades-long careers and are regarded as some of the greatest battlefield COs/NCOs in history.
@@b.b.2684 CCP soldiers get their behind beat by Indian soldiers in fist fights 😂.
Yes, our Military should be handing out 🌈 s and 🦄. LOL 😂
Most of the drills I dealt with were actually pretty cool people that just absolutely hated the job and were voluntold to do it. All of them were ready to turn in their hats and return to normal military; TRADOC is a nightmare. With that said, my decision to be a one and doner came due to the idiocy of Big Army.
When shit hits the fan, these new recruits are gonna crumble under fire because they were not broke of that opossum reaction that comes with fear. DI’s and DS’s screaming in your face breaks that habit of freezing when stressed. I’m not even in the military and I know that these new recruits will freeze up, they will get hurt, and they will die if DI’s and DS’s keep going softer
When I graduated basic in 2018 I viewed all NCOs as the enemy. Do not ask them questions. Lie and say you understand when you don’t. Avoid them at all costs. I genuinely hope this new training achieves the goals of creating quality soldiers but avoids instilling that mentality.
@R. A. But distrust between Junior enlisted and Senior enlisted builds no confidence at all. There is a major difference between stress and trust. Maybe you're the one with a shallow mind.
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@R. A. Old guy here. I went through basic decades ago. Was yelled at, from the beginning. When the instructor saw that people were shaping up, they backed off. There were a couple guys, out of fifty, that washed out, and I was glad, because they would have been detrimental to the mission. I was warned about the instructors before I got there. It did not bother me in the least. Not in the least. After the first 10 days or so, I began to actually like and admire my instructors. If I had to do it again, I would not change a thing. Not one thing. Eighteen year olds, some with bad habits, had to begin to grow into a man in basic and become "one" with their fellow recruits, regardless of background, culture, and color.
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@R. A. You make pathetic Yall'Qaeda videos where you simp for Trump and whine, screech, and cry about people who point out things that he has done and said. Why don't you tell everyone here how strong and alpha it is to support white supremacists and defend domestic terrorist attacks on the U.S.? That sounds pretty weak and shallow. But hey, I'm sure you're training everyday for the coming "civil war" with the rest of your airsoft buddies, right?
They guy at 5:50 👏👏👏 Talked about important issues without shying away from them, and gave a very inspirational speech to that group.
As a veteran of those days in the army I say „What a crock of crap!“. The yelling is to train you to react under pressure without hesitation. If you can’t adapt and deal with doing your job while someone is deliberately trying to sabotage you you won’t be able to when everything goes pear shaped
Exactly
As a former DSL at Fort. Leonard Wood 97-2000. You all have made so Proud to see the bar has been raised and the STANDARD IS BEING MAINTAINED!!! Drive on Battle, DRIVE ON! Only the top 1% can be a DSL!
The idea that the Army is getting too soft comes from veterans who are leaving the service after a long career. They personally witnessed the changes and have seen the results of the new policies. Of course the people responsible for implementing such policies insist they're doing a good job.
I bet its more a "I suffered shark week, so should you!" mentality over anything else.
Yes and the generation before them said the same thing. Instead of trying to tear down people, how about we help them?
@@Nekasus Or it's veterans seeing the capability of new soldiers arriving to units now vs new soldiers in the past.
@@Nekasus it's more that being shouted is the LEAST bad thing that will happen to you if you go to war. As the Brits say, "train hard, fight easy."
Have you ever been in the service ? I currently am , I am a brand new boot 11 Bravo , 1 year in .. I will say that has been a common theme among the personnel that have been in over 5 years , but let’s be honest with ourselves . Recruitment isn’t low because the army is “woke” , I truly believe that Generation Z is much more informed about what the US Military has done throughout its history , to its own soldiers and to other countries . Add to that tense political divide like never before , what is worth fighting for ? New privates earn about $23,000 a year , nothing compared to the civilian world jobs , you can say we get housing and medic aid .. but look at it closely . I’m in my barracks right now , this room is about 30 years old , I had nasty headache from running 3 miles with a promask in 19 degree weather , and all I got given was an ibuprofen pill . Add to that , you can work 70+ hour a week and earn the same pay , or be out in the field for weeks with no showers . Now , who will want to sacrifice their time , mental health and body for so little ? It is an even thinner pool of people , the wealthy folks never go out and die .. it’s always the poor . People have the option and will to say “NO” now .
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I turned down a DS assignment back in 1989. I'm glad I did. Too much stress over various matters of nonsense. When I went to basic it was tuff stuff. No assaults but lots of harassment. I went and worked for MPs and CID, which was more my style. Retired after 30 years of service.
So glad I went to Basic before this. The yelling and screaming was what made my day.
When I was in, 1997, Shark Attacks were fun to me. I went in knowing whatever I did is going to be wrong. Made my life a lot easier.