Green Book: History vs. Hollywood
2019 ж. 26 Ақп.
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We compare the Green Book movie to the true story of pianist Don Shirley and his driver Tony Lip, portrayed by Mahershala Ali and Viggo Mortensen in the Oscar-winning movie. To fact-check Green Book, we travel back to 1962 America during the civil rights era. After watching the video, to get more information on the true story behind Green Book and how it differs from the movie, check out our article here: www.historyvshollywood.com/ree...
Virgo’s performance was superb, absolutely Oscar worthy
Perhaps you're right about Virgo, but the story was almost completely fictionalized.
Unfortunately, he’s not allowed to win anymore. Hollywood got WOKE!
*viggo
The king of Gondor is truly amazing
@@TampaJohn why do you say that
Tony Vallelonga's son swears the scenes of his father in this movie are true. However, he also admits his father was one of the biggest bullshitters in history.
I enjoyed the movie and your comments about it. Thank you for emphasizing the truth vs. fiction facts concerning the movie. To me it was easy to see the change of racism in Tonylip which was based on understanding Mr. Shirley's gifted life. It will always be one of my favorite films
@Jayden Chris Wow amazing! I was totally not paid to comment on random videos about bullshit products.
...I think as a young man, in early 50s, my father went through a "Tony", life changing experience...
I have heard audio recordings of Shirley describing how he 100% trusted his life in the hands of Tony, how he teached him to speak english because "Lip was one of those Lower East Side Italians who had jaw of a bulldog", how Lip saved him in that bar from armed locals (depicted in the movie) and other things.
@@joonaslehtonen7965 Still doesn't prove everything in this movie is accurate.
Both Don and Tony were sooo different yet very likable , high class and salt of the earth. A movie I will see again !
I wouldn't call Tony likable in totality. Tony was racist! He only changed his mind after an occurrence with one black person, which didn't change behaviors and fertility because he still inserted his micro aggressions on others!
This movie was so good that I completely forgot about the apple pie I had baking in the oven
Timers are everything! @Robyn Carlson
I loved the movie, too. Also, I hope you took your pie out of the oven by now! 🙂
Aragon to Tony Lip.. His performance is unbelievable
Here is a History vs. Hollywood in the movie in regards to The Don Shirley Trio. I know the trio was not a focal point of the movie but there were scenes in the movie that had interaction with the trio and thought it would be interesting to comment. The movie shows that the cello player's name in the trio was "Oleg" (played by Dimiter Marinov) and that he was Russian. The fact is that the cello player's real name is Juri Taht and he is not Russian but Estonian. He does not even speak Russian. I know this because he is my Uncle. My father was his youngest brother. Also, according to my Uncle, he never saw Shirley drink alcohol after performances.
So did ur uncle really snitch to dr Shirley about tony lip stealing that rock? Lol
Eric thank you for sharing
In the movie, he didn't drink around the 2 other band members. Plus, he was staying at the hotels where only the African American's would stay. That's when he would rink. How would your uncle know this, if he wasn't staying at the same hotel, etc?
Eric Taht is You’re uncle still alive?
@@yannickleroux3212 Yes. He is currently living in Estonia and has become a minor celebrity since the movie come out. He is the last surviving member of the Don Shirley Trio. Here is a link to an article that was written in Estonia by his Daughter in Law. You can use Google Translate to read the article. There is a current picture of him with the cello he played during his time with Shirley. tartu.postimees.ee/6538200/oscari-filmi-tsellisti-prototuup-juri-taht-roheline-raamat-voimendab-rassilist-eristamist?fbclid=IwAR1k3SGh0zlPzh4YvcGYfcTKPQGO5tnUR8AEr5W2VngjCQGgaA5MGuqf9uk
That musical piece at the end was perfect
Very interesting! Thanks! I was expecting the movie to be about the actual Green Book as I remember not being able to stop at certain places as my family while we traveled when I was a child. When I went to see the movie, as soon as "Lip" said he was looking for "Dr. Shirley" then another character called his whole name, a light of recognition went off in my head from my childhood. My mother played Don Shirley's music on many Saturday mornings. When I was in high school, he played for a benefit for our Saturday art classes which were sponsored by the Links. It was wonderful to actually see him play music I'd heard for years. Don Shirley was fantastic! The movie was as well!
Very interesting! This began in 1962, the year I graduated....
We have to see it.....
I'm sorry that happened to you and your family. It's all about control
That's pretty damn cool.
Kathy Michael: Thank you for sharing your personal story.👍✌🤘😷🤘
Wow I would never known that Tony Lip played Carmine in the sopranos, that's really neat
Yea that is pretty rad
I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw his real life picture in the credits. Seems just so random.
I recognized the name but figured it was a different Tony.
He was also in the open wedding scene in The Godfather smoking a cigar.
This movie was absolutely brilliant! Definitely in my top 10!
How this film didn't singlehandedly end racism boggles my mind.
Tonight I seen the play. The play was actually focused more on the purpose of the green book and its value. It's a very informative play. I'm so glad I took the time to see it
I just saw the film and it was incredible. I'm glad things like this exist to see what happened in real life vs film.
I hope no one expects real history and Hollywood movies to be exact? I watched “Green Book” last weekend and thoroughly enjoyed it. Especially Vigo Mortensen’s performance. I’m first generation Sicilian l’m telling you he was awesome. It felt like watching my Uncles talking to their “Gumbas”! Vigo’s performance made the movie for me.
Good for Viggo, but this is a "white savior" b.s. movie. Oh, look at the Italian guy show the poor black man how to eat fried chicken, or HOW TO PLAY HIS OWN MUSIC. Smh.
@@kateichacker3145 Umm... no? The fried chicken bit is a lighthearted scene to showcase their developing friendship, the "play his own music" bit is intended to come off as ignorant because Tony is ignorant. He develops throughout the movie but he's still a human being on a journey to become someone better. The people who call this a "white savior" movie have a fundamental misunderstanding of the role that race plays in this film. Yes, the plot and theme are racially driven, but race plays a much smaller part in the interactions between Tony and Shirley, the more prominent influence on behaviors being class. Shirley teaches Tony to write and enunciate because he's educated and refined; Tony teaches Shirley to eat with his hands and throw bones out of the window because he's blue collar and relaxed. Most importantly, Shirley is not the only one being "saved", both Tony and Shirley become better people for knowing one another.
Go look up how Shirley's actual family feels about this film, then come back to me with your facile bullshit.
@@kateichacker3145 It's a movie, how Shirley's family "feels" about it is irrelevant.
@@farshimelt no, it isn't. If a movie character is based on a real person, that person's family has every right to be offended, if the portrayal is inaccurate.
One of the best movies I have ever seen in 57 years...top 10 for sure .
It's great to see these kinds of stories coming out of Hollywood. This one seems to have been pretty close to events as they happened and it's fascinating to see the responses it evokes.
I just watched the movie..."Green Book". It was amazing!!! I am about to watch it again.
Same, made me cry too
Yes, I've watched it several times, never gets boring 😊
@@marzplayz2709 i was holding my tears.. Till dolores hug him and said thank u about the letter.. 🤣
A wonderful job, of relating this musical genius’s life. Like Nina Simone, they were very suppressed as performers. Congratulations of properly presenting Don Shirley’s life
• In case you're wondering....here's the unnamed, un-credited song that supported the mood flow throughout scene transitions of the 2019 Oscar winner for Best Picture, "Green Book." • For the life of me, I don't know why it was not ID'ed or credited. Growing up in 1955, it was my favorite chill-out relief that was captured on one side of a single 45-RPM record. If you watched "Green Book," you'll immediately recognize it..."Lost Dreams," written and recorded by the Ernie Freeman, a Pop, R&B, and Jazz pianist (not to be confused with the film's main character, Don Shirley, an African-American classical and jazz pianist and composer). • My take of the movie: Excellent, well-deserving of the Oscar, great acting, and great soundtrack...with exception of not crediting "Lost Dreams" and Ernie Freeman and co-composer, Irving Ashby. kzhead.info/sun/o86cZtOHjYKJh58/bejne.html
I didn't know the history of this man because I was born and raised in Africa but for my love of American movies I came across the movie and I fell in love with the story so I had to google him and learned more about him. Thanks for the information you provided for us.
This is so well edited and presented. I greatly appreciate your intelligent and insightful background to these men's lives. Thank you for your efforts in these vids.
My new favorite movie. Love, love, loved it. Tony's wife was so pretty.
I think she’s from freaks and geeks
Fried chicken
I think we all know what they move their hand too... Assume what I mean, whoever gets it correct I will call out and edit this to that answer
@@evanextreme6157 I don't have the time to do that for I am a very busy man.
GullyBop If you had the time to type that down, not that busy :/
"Viggo more-TEN-son"? It's "Vee-go MOR-ten-sen".
Concerto is an Italian word and is pronounced “con-CHAIR-to.” It’s not just “concert” with an “o” tacked on.
drives me nuts when they mis - pronounce porshe too . ugh
Concherto
Tameka P and it drives me nuts when Porsche is misspelled....just saying.
Never mind the fact that he's also butchers g the hell out of Viggo Mortensen's name! It's quite distracting.
You're wrong. It's pronounced concherto. Dont be a clever dick.
It was an awesome movie! It was a hidden jam for me! Stellar performances by all the actors in the movie!
I am a real fan of Viggo Mortenson as he chooses roles because they genuinely interest him rather than for the money or the "fame". It was his son who had to talk him into taking the "Lord of the Rings" role of Aragorn. My only complaint with this video is that the presenter keeps mispronouncing his name. "Mortensen" is pronounced with the emphasis on the first syllable not the second.
OH MY GOD HE'S ARAGORN?! That's why I kept finding him extremely attractive!! (it's because he's extremely attractive)
People pronounce words differently? No way!
Its leviOsa, not leviosAH
Are you sure you are a fan? If I was a fan, I would make sure to write his name correctly, lol. 🙂
What a wonderful documentary. Thank you for this take on American History and Friendship.
I loved this movie when I saw it in the theater last year, it's well worth adding to your collection!
Saw movie yesterday so this is great info for filmmakers in particular. Thank you, whoever produced this video.
“Unless they’re making a documentary, filmmakers are history’s interpreters, not its chroniclers. Green Book interprets the sea of historical events to reveal a truth relevant to today: Resist those who would tell you to know your place.” -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, from an essay in The Hollywood Reporter
Great story about racism and how to people overcame it and came together but the real reason I'm here is Viggo Mortensen's unbelievable performance , what an actor! Mashallah Ali did a fantastic job as well.
Moved me to tears this film. Just awesome
This is a great movie. I love it. I learn history with this movie. I have never heard of Donald Shirley and the Green Book.
Carmine Lupertazzi was Tony Lip?!?!?!
There are millions of dollars at stake.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 Again with the money?
The don doesn’t wear shorts
Not if you want him clipped over it
other way around..
It was about two different guys coming from different worlds who became very good friends for many years
This movie reminded me of Plains Trains and Automobiles in so many ways. Don was Steve Martin and Tony was John Candy.
Driving Ms. Daisy meets 42. Excellent movie, great acting by both men.
Excellent work fascinating insight!
Loved this movie. It definitely deserved best picture. Dr. Shirley was a brilliant and talented man.
Very good. It made me think of the phrase don't judge me until you "walk in my shoes." But in this case it was like until you walk beside me, and see my life!! 👍🏽💕💕
Just found your channel. Fantastic work.keep it up
Dr. Shirley was ADORABLE!!!😘
So was Tony's wife. She was so nice.
Love the historical details
So Don Shirley was living in Carnegie Hall when I performed there in 1998. Interesting. Also the diner and shower scene were done in New Orleans at Clover Grill and the New Orleans Athletic Club.
You know how to get to Carnegie Hall??????????????????? Practice! :))
This was an interesting piece. Thanks for the info.
Holy shit Tony Lip played Carmine Lupertazzi in Sopranos? Wow !!!!
Historically, Carmine always said the Sopranos were nothing more than a glorified crew
Loved the film, but not enough of Shirley’s music in it.
I sure agree not enough of Shirley's music in it. That may have been the main reason I didn't love the film.
Very informative thanks brother
Just got around to watching the movie today ( almost 7 years to the day of Dr Shirley's death) & thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for posting this, I appreciated this as well.👍✌🤘😷🤘
Tony lip is Carmine Lupratazzi? That blew my mind
as soon as I heard that it brought be back to that scene in the golf course when he dies with egg salad coming out his mouth
Brings me back to "yeah, again with the money! so either name a price, or get the fuck over it!"
cuong bui he also is an extra In the first godfather
Same here
I think back to Uncle June saying "he's a slippery fuck isn't he, with those big fish lips." Lmao blew my mind too
Re: this remark: "It must have been difficult for Shirley, living above the very stage that the color of his skin had kept him from performing on." NO! It was the racism of those who operated the venue which would not permit this fine musician from playing classical piano in Carnegie Hall. His skin is just fine and quite blameless!
Very well said Margaret
Of course, that's what he meant.
It was just the times honey. Try not to take it personal
@@3myway D: and try not to take it personal when someone has taken the time to shift the wording in a subtle but important way that doesn't focus on the skin color as a problem, but on the actual source of the problem. Timely to do this, as we whites need to realize our people have very often been the problem, not the ones who had to grow up throwing off shame constantly as if THEIR color was a problem. Words frame how we think and feel about things. Something that may seem unimportant to you may in fact be more important than you can at first imagine.
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Truly a excellent film. That's why I love biographies, such substance.
when a man can forgive those who hate him and still be civil is what we should strive to achieve
Loved this movie, couldn’t stop watching the interaction between two characters. They were both changed by their experiences and time together. Didn’t think he was a homosexual, as they portrayed in the movie. I was lucky to see it twice. Loved it.
He was a homosexual - as portrayed in the movie
I totally loved it!!!! Such a great Story, beautifully Acted, and the Soundtrack fit very smoothly!!!!
Very interesting video, one of my favorite films I've seen the past few yeats
Very Interesting story between Don Shirley and Tony Lip.
Don't call me Shirley.
My new favorite movie. Bronx Tale held me down for the past 25 years....now Green Book will be in heavy rotation.
Yes Indeed Love the Fried chicken seen
This movie was serious, but also entertaining. Thanks for the facts.
I didn’t know what a green book was.
First time glad I watched it...
Damn shame a "Green Book" even needed to be created.
Sharee Brown I hear you. Great point. When were “all things being equal?”
A shame, but not a surprise.
Read the book slavery by another name “Green Book” was the least racist thing Hollywood was willing to include in that movie
@Danielle Jaeger There are social classes, but its about money not race.
@@rickyray2794 maybe now but it didn’t use to be. Economic segregation followed racial segregation.
Thank you for this! Well done... will watch
I order KFC delivery straight away after i watched the Kentucky Fried chicken scene ....lol
In the TV show Little House on the Prairie, Michael Landon ordered KFC to use as the Ingalls ate fried chicken on the show. (Dinty Moore Beef Stew for the Beef Stew.)
@@LiveINtheGood53Michael's daughter is on Yellowstone as Teeter the ranch wrangler.
Saw the movie twice...very beautiful story and inspiring as well..i would tell my friends to see it too...
I enjoyed the movie I was made aware of the Green Book as a child my wife had no idea it ever existed the book can be used as a teaching tool in American history.
The same with "Sundown Towns". Films like this give you a small taste of just how much America hides it's inglorious past - how it tries to sweep such situations under the carpet and hope that it never rears it's ugly head again (ie never spoken about). That partially explains why that country has such problems in this department today - because they never really addressed the issues - the just tried to ignore them - possibly out of embarrassment - but more likely out of ignorance
Not bad & very tastefully done. 👍👍
Don use to sing in Black churches as a kid. If that is so they feed him. Most likely chicken dinners, etc. Lip did not introduce him to fried chicken.
Can priests and pastors make fried chicken?
@@ede5302 Priests and Pastors don't do the cooking, that is done by the women of the congregation, Y'all.
I'll watch anything that has Viggo in it. He's such a talented actor.
Un film extraordinar, care pune în valoare talentul actoricesc al celor doi protagoniști. Este o poveste frumoasă despre doi oameni care provin din medii diferite ;prietenia care se leagă între cei doi merită să fie menționată tocmai pentru că ei sunt atât de diferiți și totuși reușesc să devină atât de apropiați! Jocul celor doi este MAGISTRAL!
One of my favorite movies of all time, so many special moments. I can relate to Tony, this is a classic in my book.
Thank you for this informative video. I enjoyed it very much. Are you a fan of the film? I loved it and am embarrassed to admit that I've seen the movie 11 times so far and plan to buy the DVD. You answered some of the questions I had, so thank you. However, I still wonder about a few things. Perhaps you might know the answers? 1). Was there really a lucky rock? 2). Did the bar incident where Doc was got roughed up really occur? 3). They said that Doc and Tony remained lifelong friends, but I cannot find any photos of them together. Thanks again for the enjoyable video, and great job!
Steve, I'm glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful. I enjoyed he film as well. As for your questions, no, I never came across any mention of the lucky rock. My guess is that it's fictional. With regard to the bar incident, a very similar incident did occur in real life, and it resulted in them being chased by an armed pack of white locals. The notion that they remained lifelong friends is questionable. I came across an interview with another friend who said that he didn't know of any other friends besides himself that Shirley had later in life. It's nice to imagine, but it seems that they may have lost touch.
@@HistoryvsHollywoodOfficial Cool, thanks. I did stumble across a few recordings of Tony talking about the trip, which I'm sure you did as well. According to his son, Nick, there are hours and hours of tapes. I wish they would release all of them, because they're pretty interesting. I only heard one clip of Shirley. It's where is talking about how he trusted Tony implicity and that he was more than just an employee. Would be nice to hear more.
@@HistoryvsHollywoodOfficial Where's the tapes of him claiming that he was out-casted by his family and the entire black community because that just sounds like a way too much 'creative license' coming from the screenwriters.
@Moana Lahi its a white man white washing a black mans history like a puppet and trying to delegitimise his families concerns, and the academy just drooled and jizzed all over the film because its white control over the black experience and a downplaying of racism.
@Moana Lahi The writer claimed that Shirley himself told him not to contact his family in regards to the movie, throwing their relationship and intentions into question; I won't say either party is implicitly correct because it's really a "he said, she said" situation, but it's important to consider both perspectives and not take everything at face value.
My dad is 75 he told me about those sun down towns he worked in concrete his whole life he was a Forman for 36 years anyway my dad told me he saw a few towns that in the store windows and even on the street they had signs that would say things like “nigger don’t let the sun shine on your back” that’s insane to me my dad worked for the union he said they’d have a lot of black guys work for them we are from Pennsylvania company wd based in Pittsburgh I think anyway he said even up until the 1980’s he saw that kind of shit
@BiteMe. Sundown towns were also common in the North. East Falls, a Philly neighborhood where Grace Kelley grew up, was one. Another one was next to Wynnewood , in Montgomery County outside Philly. There were quite a few of them_ up in the Poconos are more.
We really need a movie on Victor Hugo Green. This movie was great on its own. But I thought I was going to learn more about the Green Book and its origins.
Exceptional film with great casting!
Your research is very thorough ... oustanding. SUBSCRIBED!
Hmm. Why can’t the narrator pronounce words correctly?
Con-CHAIR-to, not Con-SERT-o...and Viggo M....?
Made this nearly unwatchable. It's not as if it was a language barrier issue, more like a lack of research, issue. Seriously, who doesn't know how to pronounce Carnegie Hall?
Srsly... *smh*
Autism?
Why do people have to over stress over such small things that's what I'd like to know. Just enjoy your movies and clips. Enjoy life without over thinking every little detail. sheesh. You'll be happier that way :)
thank you for this video and theses informations 🙂
Thanks for elucidating and directing to other sources.
Excellent video about an excellent movie and two extraordinary people.
reality is always more interesting. good job.
Just watch it for the first time Love it must watch it again.
That was a great video. tyvm
Amazing movie. What a big surprise!
Shirly looks like the pope interviewing Lip!
Thank you very good documentary
This story almost made me cry!
"The Greeen Book," an excellent documentary!!!
Great Movie! I was hoping to find out if the Birmingham scene in the movie was true... Did they actually ever walk out on a scheduled show because of the way Don Shirley was treated, like for not being allowed to eat in the dining room?
All the performances in this movie were fantastic
That's a great account, thank you. One thing you didn't address: Did they (at any point) break their contract by refusing to play at a venue because Don Shirley couldn't eat there? That would be interesting to hear about.
I agree, I’d like to know.
It seems like a mistake to use the words of Vallelonga to corroborate the film, which is based on Vallelonga's book. Some other sources are needed.
It's the recorded interviews with Shirley that clinch the case. Also the letters.
Great movie. Would love to see a documentary on Dr. Shirley.
So would I. I do know that in his early days before he hit the big time, he used to tour small places around the country with just himself and a black stand-up bass player. One of the places he performed at was off 8 Mile Rd in Detroit called Bakers Keyboard Lounge which was just down the road from my house.
The photograph of the Copacabana in this video is not the actual Copacabana in which Tony Lipp worked. The original Copa was much less ostentatious on the outside, and was located on (I think) 60th Street, or 61st Street half a block east of 5th Avenue. The place in the photograph was a place years later called the Copacabana, and I think that one was on 8th Avenue in the 40's but I wonder if it had any connection at all to the original. The earlier one had a bar on street level, but the main room was in the basement, whereas the one in the picture was on the second floor of whatever building that was.
That was beautiful. Thank you.
No shit he was Carmine in the sopranos !! Wow
I know, right? As a musician it would have been cool if I had known that when the series was first aired.
@@rcbennett6592 it's really cool how people's paths cross and how we would probably never known about his past without the movie.
@Johnny Boy " I smell burning hair" lol
@Johnny Boy "a Don never wears shorts" lol
@Johnny Boy" Ralph fucked ginny" lol 😂 😂
Not everything is history, there're still sundown towns!
Really? Wow! That’s disturbing.
Antonia Warrior you wouldn’t find a sign like that here, but travel to remote locations and you’ll find publicans and other business proprietors casually refusing service to First Nations people, even though they’re clearly in breach of the law. It’s interesting to compare racism in different countries and regions.
I was warned by a native of Georgia that there are still sun down towns. Having said that I’ve met some of the loveliest people down here of all colors and friendly.
JuanJose247 ...there’re???
This video was a blessing for me. I collect DVDs that I would like to again and I own a copy of 'Green Book'.
rite away at 1:27 he mentions the condensing of time. When doing a " based on a true story" . That is always the case and its a fact that you just have to go with.
Viggomore Tensen? Car Negiehall? Perplexing, but... ok.
I've heard Scottish and Welsh people pronounce Carnegie that way. The other mispronounciations are interesting.
And 'con-sertoe'?
That’s how Andrew pronounced it.
@James Walker a duck choking on a hairball 🤣🤣🤣
Carnegie is about the only thing he pronounced properly.
I'm happy to find out that the movie was fairly accurate. That doesn't happen very often.
Your funny
no no it was not it was very innacurate it was just a white feel good film it made this biopic be about the white guy rather than ya know the actual famus person whos life the movie is ment to be about hell dons own family called the movie out (who the writer never bothered to even contact)
@@ladyaceina If you're so mad, pay off the jews who wrote this movie and make your own. What you don't think they made whites look bad enough? Christ this was 60 years ago. I swear you people crave the victimhood you never even experienced 1st hand!
@@mickdavis2385 we still have racists to this day but people like you dont want to listen to those who experience it you just call them snow flakes or say fake news or wtv buzzword is trending rather than listen to peoples own experiences and again this film was not accurate at all and focused on the white guy rather than the famous black man its ab out the entire production staff was white even its a white feel good film to make white people feel better about their racist past get over it snow flake this film was BS the family of the man its about where not even contacted
@@ladyaceina The only "racists" today are in your imagination. Jussie Smollett mentality. Fake a hate crime because your victim card is long expired. Sad!
Scandinavian-Canadian-America Viggo plays an Italian-American beautifully.
the image of the copacaba at 0:29 is NOT the one "tony lip" worked, which was at 10 east 60th st. the image is its location since 2011, at 268 west 47th st.
Thanks for that, history becomes distorted and lost by factual errors like that image, but few appreciated and understand the correction.