PRE-ARRIVAL: Working 2nd Alarm Structure Fire - Thomaston, Maine
2022 ж. 18 Мау.
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Pre-Arrival footage of a 2nd alarm structure fire at 59 Water St. in Thomaston, Maine. Interior crews found heavy fire on the second floor and in the attic space. After they ventilated the roof visible fire could be seen. Command requested a 2nd alarm assignment for additional manpower.
The departments that assisted were:
Thomaston
South Thomaston
Rockland
Rockport
Camden
St. George
Cushing
Warren
Friendship
Waldoboro
The call came in around 1:10pm and the last units cleared the scene at approximately 5:45pm. Taken: 6/15/2022. Thanks for watching!
Enough manpower and equipment to put out a forest fire, but the slowest effort I've ever seen.
The fire could have been put out with a fire extinguisher! They've brought in a bunch of equipment, and the firefighters are standing around preening...
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This video makes me glad I don’t live in the area anymore. It took them over 7 minutes to charge the line. What’s more absurd is watching the full time Fire Department (Rockland) sit in the engine for two minutes and nobody even gets out to help. There are SCBA guys going in without masking up. I’m just glad nobody got injured.
Proving you know nothing about firefighting
Proving he knows more than you. This was a shit show. Small fire to deal with, go in put water on it job done. Fannied around without charged lines , cut a hole in the roof then the whole roof went up and the interior crew in the loft space wasted most of the water they used which you could see being sent in to the sky because they used a solid stream. A slightly wider stream gives you a larger surface area which in turn absorbs more heat which in turns knocks the fire back quicker. But hey you wou know that being an Internet firefighter.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels Oh look it's Captain Butthurt still crying over his hurt feels 😂🤣😅 You and your fellow YT Fire Brigade Warriors fighting the good fight from behind your keyboards "Fire up them deck-guns fellas! Use CTL+D+SHIFT" 👨🚒🚒🚒👨🚒
@@virgilhilts3924 lmao, still can't answer a question, must be a pretend firefighter. You love to say people don't know what they are talking about yet you never explain anything as to why. Clueless. If you think this is a good video of professional firefighters you need to find another occupation. 😉
As a firefighter a couple things, one why did it take so long to get water in the first attack line? Two, since when does the driver of the first arriving engine pack up and leave the truck when there is no charged line yet? Three, Why are we going into a burning building without water in the line? four, people in the building not wearing a mask? Five, why so long foe water?
You're right...makes no sense.
Because they don't know any better. Just made the fire worse.
They are probably all volunteer fire men up there they have no clue
If you're smart to ask those questions you're smart enough to know the answers.
The chief kept walking around in what looked like a daze. As a retired firefighter, he took way too long to get a first line in. Crews were inside without water. Disorganized
It took seven minutes for the first arriving company to get water after arriving at the seen and coming to a full stop. Those pumps probably have a 750 gallon tank and a inch and three-quarter line could’ve been enough to extinguish that fire if they acted quickly.
Thanks for confirming that you have no clue what you are babbling about
Your camera work rises above the competition on KZhead.
Thank you very much!
I didn’t even realize this was in maine until 1/4 through it! Crazy something from maine finally came up. I was just in your classic rabbit hole watching fire videos. Nice video.
I sure Miss it, after23 years of Firefighting I retired in 2013 and I swear there isn’t a day I don’t miss it.
Could you be a volunteer?? Just thought I would ask.
I retired after 30 years on the job in a metro of ~1 million I have lots of hobbies and such but I finally had to volly as I missed it so much No where as busy but it gives a taste and gets the blood flowing regularly Although I will say this, I dont think I would want to be a big city FF today, all the guys I know say the vast majority of calls they run are EMS, often non-stop day and night. And the vast majority of those are nonsense like people calling 911 because they are constipated or they bought new shoes and their feet hurt, one was for a kid who got hacked with a water balloon, utterly absurd.
Thank u for your service sir
Vollie here...Truck drivers feel the same way...
Doing there jobs taking care of business let's stop and honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated great job great catches as usual still going strong keep them safe out there way to go you guys rock thanks let's hope everyone is doing ok right ? Joe
Call me crazy, but at some time in the first 10 minutes, it might have been a good idea to put that awesome ladder at the gable, and jam a 2.5" into the attic. Could have cooled that attic space off before venting. 🤷🏻♂️
Right idea but wrong approach. Climb to the top floor, create an opening in the ceiling, insert a nozzle open to a medium cone of water from a 1-3/4" line or even a Booster Line, and fog the attic space with water. The heat, smoke and water vapor will exit through the gable end vents. No ladders or roof work required. You have all the windows you need to vent smoke and heat. This was a piece of cake they turned into a mess.
Good idea, but Kelvin, the power line was in the way of the Ladder extension. So they could not get to the gable. They went for an interior attack from downstairs.
Crazy. The truth be told.
That’s what I would of done after I punched out those two windows.
@@stevo6430 You Fireboys love to break windows...
Good catch sir. Well done. 👍
Were they waiting for an invite from the property owner to arrive by mail to allow them to enter? It was around 7 minutes after first engine on scene before any sign of water being available for use. Why do US fire fighters have a dislike of using on board tank water? That's assuming they actually have tank water. The first crew on scene looked like they were waiting for others to arrive so they didn't have to do anything. No sense of urgency at all.
It’s because every fire department in the United States thinks they know the best way of doing things and the national standard is a joke here. The amount of bad fire department’s far out way the good ones.
As an ex British firefighter I agree with you no urgency at all. Almost like a training exercise not a shout
Fire in cock loft, not easy access, only smoke visible. Where was the actual fire? Until you open up, you don't know. Only put water on visible fire, not smoke.
@@edgregg7371 but you have to enter the building to find out where the fire is not take more than 5 minutes stood in the doorway fiddling with breathing apparatus and not have any water ready. Smoke gives indication of fire location and the door looked perfectly fine to me meanwhile fire getting more established upstairs. It looked like they had already decided to not even attempt to save an old building.
@@robertrussell7388 As a Third Generation USA firefighter, I couldn't agree with you more.
Awesome catches!! Got a text that Thomaston had a working fire, and instantly thought of you and said to myself "Hi CoolFireTrucks!" lmao
😂
I thought venting the fire through the roof was slightly risky but perhaps putting some water on the fire in the first quater of an hour might have helped.
Why was it risky?
It’s not that it took so long to get water on the fire, it’s that it took so long to get connected to a hydrant. Seriously, was this a training exercise with new firemen from several jurisdictions and that’s why the huge response. Since watching fire videos, both good and bad, I’ve bought more fire extinguishers. If you can’t get it out in the first minute, the fire dept isn’t going to save your house.
U got that
Early on there was an instruction to tell the water company to shut down their operations and (?charge up?) the hydrants. Which would suggest there wasn't water immediately available.
When they opened the roof...I knew it was the end.
They are not in hurry. Slow and steady wins the race, but slow and steady misses the Bus. Report 15% damaged by fire, 5 % damaged by firefighter.
Why did it take so long for them to start attacking the fire ?
Finally after 10 minutes they charge the line.
Someone needs to help you interpret these videos. You are dazed and confused.
Awesome video and coverage! Found something kinda funny @ 2:09 I have that Lightbar on that truck! Those are pretty rare!
That hose looks bright, shiny and new! Looked like the truck got water before the attack line. I was just waiting for that ladder guy to let loose with that master stream and blow the back of the house out!
Nice work guys keep it up 👨🚒🚒🚨🇺🇸
Lmao.
Let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok the paramedics and firemen deserve a lot of credit your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated great job great catches as usual still going strong keep them safe out there you guys rock thanks ! Joe
Wow, at least six towns got involved, Thomaston, South Thomaston, Rockland, Camden, Waldeboro, and Friendship.
Based on the number of engines responding I’m guessing these guys don’t see too many real fires.
Could not believe how that one truck just blew thru that intersection against the red light without even slowing down. Good grief.
GOT TO NY FOR REAL FIRES AND SEE
Could be volunteers a need for staffing? They need to teach engine driver not to block street truck.
@@trvman1 it looked like clear view in all directions. No need to drastically slow down
@@trvman1 Fire trucks don’t usually slow down at intersections when lights are going
2.5 minutes into the video and it's already a gong show. Drive right past the hydrant (who needs water anyway). Then park right in front of the house where the ladder truck should be. The Mr Ladder drives past his second option and has to back up. And we're just getting started.
Great camera work showing how unbearably long it took to call for water. It’s embarrassing at minimums.
0:35 Can't believe the engine went through the red light without stopping then preceding, potentially a bad situation !!!!
I wondered that myself.
@@wvhappykatz In Maine the driver of a fire engine is allowed to do that. The "duty to yield" rests on the other motorists. Title 29-A. Sec. 2054, para. 5(b).
@@ianlounsbury1544 None the less it creates an incredible risk. Regardless how title 29 " reads" I wonder how the insurance carrier for Thomaston would feel. In Standish we operate under the same yield laws but not stopping at a stop sign or light is not part of our SOP.
1.) PLEASE drive safely. That code on the books doesn’t do any good, especially if you never stop and you wreck the rig and then you have multiple emergencies with less personnel to manage them. How many cars at that intersection were there, four, five ?? You don’t know what one of those other drivers could have done and at the speed the fire engine was traveling how many lives would have been negatively affected?!?! 2.) I had a driveway collapse under my ambulance (no one posted any signage indicating the driveway was washed out underneath, yet the family knew) so although it wasn’t my fault, we ended up with 2 different calls. One was the original cardiac call and the second was my unit, that rolled three times, and was sitting eighty seven feet down the side of a mountain that had four members on board who thankfully were able to crawl up the mountain and were able to walk away despite becoming four patients to be dealt with at that time. 3.) The patient’s family, who owned the driveway, happened to have a single stranded barbed wire fence running parallel to the driveway and it was destroyed by the ambulance and I got sued. But my county countersued for the cost of a fully stocked four wheel drive ambulance and the medical bills for the four patients. 4.) Please be safe, don’t take chances, this call haunts me, even after nearly forty years.
@@ianlounsbury1544 Thats how people get killed.
Holy crap!! What a mutual aid response. I lost count at four departments!!
and 10 pumpers and 3 ambulances
The only thing i'm wondering is why the engineer packed up instead of pumping the truck, There was enough manpower between those first two units that he didn't have to go interior.
17 fire trucks 14 ambulances, 9 water trucks, that should do it
Lol
И один сгоревший дом.
At first I thought vertical venting that pitched roof was a bad idea. They thought well ahead! It ended up isolating the fire and exposing for significant knockdown
Great video, enjoyed watching it. I like when they are responding the best, very good camera work!! Kudos to whoever captured those.
Thanks man!
CAMERA WORK WAS GOOD BUT SHOWED ONLY ONE SIDE. NO PROSPECIVE
Exceptional 📷 work❗👍
Excellent videoing of that fire
HATS OFF TO ALL EMERGENCY RESPONDERS!
Might be a good idea to put Water on the fire when you arrive! Just a suggestion.
Might be a good idea to have even the slightest clue what you are talking about before you start typing next time
What happened to due regard when blowing through the red light?
if you can see theres no oncoming traffic you dont need to stop stfu probie
It's an emergency vehicle. They are allowed to go through the red lights. The other traffic needs to stop and let them go.
Read your drivers manual.
@@moemcgovern7345 not without due reguard
@@moemcgovern7345 we have to drive with due regard in the state of Maine regardless of if we are running code 3 or code 2 we are no good to the people who called for our help if we wreck on the way to the call
Mi gran respeto para los bomberos, gracias por su trabajo
Nice video! Cool to see how they operate the ladder truck.
Thanks! Yeah they sure set it up quick!
@@CoolFireTrucks But was out of place, set up by powerline and could not be used. WATCH THE FOOTAGE AS WAS BEING RAISED AND LOWERED AND THE GIVING UP ON.
@@CoolFireTruckso
This house was reported listed on the tax rolls as having a value of about $36,000. I speculate that at that number, the old house will be a tear-down. Typically, unoccupied houses are not insurable, so there would be no funds to gut and rebuild this old structure. The piece of land is worth something, even if only for overflow boat storage for the yard across the street.
After spending my entire career in construction and 10 years in my Restoration business, I can tell you it would be a sin to demolish this structurally intact and vintage structure. If the fire department hadn't screwed up this fight by allowing the roof structure to burn, this would have been an easy clean up and repair. But this was just another example of the horrific USA work ethic citizens have to deal with at that LOW end of the employment scale.
@@JB91710 With an intact roof structure, the logical way to snuff out the fire would be to flood the building by piping in an inert gas - and thus displacing the oxygen component in air. Such gases could be nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and even argon. But that approach implies a gaseously intact upper structure, and usually a fire will have already burned through to create a "vent," so the gas approach is dubious. Instead, firemen rely on water, and lots of it. In this case, the men cut a vent hole in the roof to allow hot gases to escape, while an attack team went in from downstairs. But it took longer than expected, so the fire got draft and flame spread through the attic and second floor. That wood has been drying since 1875, so it burns fast. Rural Maine is filled with old, worn-out buildings that are energy hogs and functionally obsolete. There is nothing special about this old place. Those old houses are tinder-boxes, and built without insulation, as "balloon houses." Once fire starts in those old structures, it spreads rapidly through the cavities, which were built without fire-breaks. If the house is an energy hog, unaffordable to heat, and a fire-trap, what incentive is there to rebuild it? When those places burn, the usual result is removal of the debris. You can see the result in every Maine town, where a row of old houses suddenly has a mini-park, a lot with just grass. Well, that one used to be an old house that burned, and got torn down. As to your comment about low-end work ethic, these Maine departments are volunteer. Thomaston is "pay-per-call," the town offers a small stipend as appreciation to the men that abandon their other work to come in and fight the fire. You are being a bit harsh by dumping on them for not having a perfect fire attack. There is no money for a full-time department in rural Maine, so the citizens step up to the plate and do the best they can. (I live in the next town over, on that department). Cheers.
@@ianlounsbury1544 The key to any group of humans is strong leadership. In the USA fire service, it is almost non existent. With a 1957 Mack engine and four component workers, this fire could have been a piece of cake with zero roof work required.
It's a vacant. What's the rush? No life hazard. No exposures threatened.
The way that house didn’t burn I would say it was old slow grow dense wood. Proper wood like your grandpa used to use :o)
Was this actually a firefighting operation? It appears that only one attack line was laid and there was 3 less than a million fire apparatus on the scene of an engine and ladder operation. Where was Incident Command and the coordinated fire attack? Bless you for what you do but it is time for some training before you end up killing yourselves on the fireground, not to mention the emergency response driving to the scene.
Never understand why you fly the stick and then use ground ladders to drags saws and tools to the roof. That big thing is meant to climb and provide a safer environment to work from.
Boys with their toys and a complete lack of knowledge or ability to use them intelligently.
Power lines.
Truck gets front of the house, not the engine
That was my first thought too...
I was just about to comment the engine needs to pull past the house to give room for the truck!
Good job!
All these towns have great equipment but no one seems to know how to use it.
Then Mr expert enlighten us.
@@Allison-ti5vv I'll absolutely enlighten you. When it takes you 7 minutes to get water on your FIRST attack line, you have no business being a firefighter. That's beyond embarrassing, it's pathetic actually.
Although the house was saved I cant help notice that it took 4 + Fire tenders on scene but a minimum of 7.5 minutes to actullay getting the water into the hoses? Surely they could have at least starting hosing the roof down to minimise any further damage? great job though....
I saw two engines and a truck. No tenders. JK. Also a roof is designed to keep water out. Hosing the roof is a waste of water. You have to reach the seat of the fire. But still as you said lack of aggressiveness
@@kjack61 He is a Brit. That explains a lot.
The other engines arrived on scene as manpower
@@kjack61 are you a firefighter
@@RLTtizME In the UK I cannot see them sending more than 2 engines but we tend to have easily accessible water hydrants nearby and brick houses.
This was some great footage
ladder needs new lights!, great video!
Love all the comments from folks who weren't at this fire and thus have no idea what went on inside this house or anything else that took place other than what you saw in the video. Did things go perfectly....nope, is firefighting black and white...nope. But I sure learned on thing after all of these comments, you guys should feel so lucky that you all live in your perfect cities and towns, with your perfect fire departments and your perfect firefighters who never have issues and always get water on that fire as soon as your feet hit the ground!!! Constructive criticism and questions is acceptable and justifiable but your snarky ass comments are pathetic!!!!! You boys sure did make your departments proud.......
.....and a computer system (used to be a ring binder) in every unit, with an attack plan, hydrant location or pre-planned tanker requests from mutual aid ready to act on. Scott-Packs mounted in crew cabin ready to wear during inbound travel to scene. Check and Clear structure team ready to enter on arrival. Reel hose on 500ga internal tank (with dump valve closed please) deployed until hookup to external water supply. Truck to roof position for cut-saw into roof and vent. Adjacent structures cleared and protected, in the event of an evacuation of personnel, Surround and Drown. We get training at our County Fire Training Center --- a concrete building to get it right the first time, There might not be another. Be Safe Brother !
A couple of things from a 20 year still active career FF and current LT of a busy Ladder company in the 2nd largest east coast dept, the first engine on scene chose terrible positioning making it tough for the incoming ladder, looking at the smoke's velocity (it's floating out not pushing out the fire's more than likely in the walls or ceiling in this case in the void space between the ceiling and roof in the section of the city where I work we have a lot of A frame roofs like these the key is getting in there quick with a charged line and ceiling hooks to open it up to get the water into the attic space and also get ground ladders up quicker to open the roof I think the companies did a good job but just a little slow in execution.
My kid said, wa wa, wa wa while watching.
If everyone is out of this house then I don't see any reason to risk these firefighters lives other then making sure it doesn't spread to other homes. looks like everyone is safe. I also know this might have been a training drill. Stay safe.
respectez les personnes qui ne partagent pas votre avis monsieur " je sais tout " !!!
I love those sirens and one truck has a Marrs light on it
As an Asst Chief, I wonder if the engine driver at 0:35 had a confirmed clear intersection or was praying for a good outcome.
As a captain i was thinking the same thing chief he was real lucky.
Chris as old code3 driver I saw the same thing.
While we are hammering the pumper driver let’s add in his placement of the pumper where the ladder should be. The ladder subsequently had to back up, park at an angle and cut off street access. It also took him 9 min to charge the pre-connect. He should have 500 gal in his tank & alone will put out a metric shit ton of fire.
Chris, if you look carefully at the tape, you will see that the Northbound traffic (on the left) shows stopped traffic, and the Southbound two lanes on the right also shows stopped traffic. Northbound, the street is only one block long, the locals do not barge through the intersection as the truck was on busy Route One. Southbound, the road flows from Lowe's store and a very busy Shell gasoline station, so the risk is from someone in the right lane attempting to turn right onto Route 1 while the truck is coming. If the driver watches for that, he is good to go. The sight line to the right is quite good, and you can see that there was nobody in the intersection or waiting for the light in the direction the truck was travelling (to the West). The one car that was stopped in the cross street Southbound was in the right hand lane and he waited until the truck passed before pulling out. The driver had the intersection well in hand. This particular intersection is well known to everybody; trucks from both Thomaston and Rockland roll that spot on a daily basis. No worries.
@@ianlounsbury1544 well unfortunately that driver still was not driving with do regard.
I am hoping this was an abandoned house and this was training because no one on that fire scene knew what the hell was going on
How fast was the driver going when he blew the red light. Pathetic department.
Great work getting that ladder in place and setup. These guys mean business!!
Not really😂
In place and setup but not used. UGH.
Maybe some water would help, but I'm not a fireman.
First time opening a roof for ventilation? That alone was hard to watch. "Dispatch from command. Give me a second alarm for more personnel to wander around aimlessly."
Did anyone notice the snarky face the firefighter made at the truck after he motioned for it to move up, it was funny
Good to see Rickland show up quickly. Awesome ladder placement. Quickly too. Great job.
I mean Rockland. Worked 15 yrs in western Maine seen my share. And I love Thomaston. Camped and partied with good people there a few times.
Good having the preemptive dumpster there, because there's nothing left of that structure worth saving. Are all those ambulances required; for what exactly?
make it look good so they can be financed
Where there's smoke there's fire fellas.. What is taking so long to get a charged line into the structure and to the source?
Any idea what department the Mustang SUV with lights belonged too? Was it a POV, Fire Department, or Police Department?
Do you mean the one at 21:04 in front of the Camden Engine? If so that is a Thomaston police cruiser, the newest in the fleet!
@@CoolFireTrucks Yes that would be the one! Interesting to see a mustang, but very cool and unique!
@@dnovids Electric Mustang at that. It is the next standard for departments going electric from what I am seeing.
A friend of mine, was a fire man in Wellesley, Mass. (Boston Suburb).
Looks like a nice community. Apparently some renovation going on.
Is the response done by voluntary FD? Greetings from Germany!
Here where I live in NC the first engine on scene don’t catch the hydrant with what few hydrants we have it’s usually the second due engine to catch it
Looks like there is a smoke machine upstairs. Don't see any fire. These firefighters must have sat around for a year and now get a chance to try out all their toys.
Before I even get close to the 2 minute mark, notice the 2 dumpsters, and the over-grown yard. Either this home is or is going to be going through renovation, be aware that it will not act like a "normal" structure. Holes in the floor, walls removed, etc. OR, it is a shit hole inside and the Bank has yet to clean it out.....And, let the ladder truck take the front of the house....
This hole in the roof was made for the worst only - they made a draught for the fast and strong fire.
Looks like a great place to call home from
Strong work and great footage
WELL dONE !!!!I like the AGRESSIVE INTERIOUR attack. Once the water sauce was established, it was FD 1, Fire 0. Great camera work. Stay safe Brothers and Sisters !
Not really aggressive to be fair. Amazingly slow i thought . should have an interior crew inside working within a couple of minutes.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels Ditto, John sounds like a FD PR person. About eight minutes before water flowed.
@@549BR They just spent ages in an open doorway doing nothing but feeding the fire. I'd have an interior team with high pressure hosereel and thermal cameras inside in 2 minutes knocking the fire down.
Way to slow. I see no aggressive interior attack. A lot not to like critiquing this fire
@@andyoxleyonhistravels damn, if that was my house, I'd have grabbed a hose line myself. What a bunch of turtles there!
Looks like the fire was confined to the attic, so they had no access to the fire until they cut the hole in the roof, which I think is why it took so long to attack.
Awesome video. You never know just by watching a video the game plan but looks to me they did a great job putting the fire out and containing it to just the top and no extention...🤗🤗
Any idea if CP is making a run down to Brunswick today? Should be 13 or so cars in Brunswick waiting to go North as of yesterday.
I don’t believe so. Last week on Friday when it brought the 12 down to Brunswick it ended up bringing 4 back up north. Good to know that it will be 12/13 going north on the next trip… that’s a decent size train for this line and worth chasing! Also I not sure if I told you but Finger Lakes is taking over this month!
@@CoolFireTrucks Yes I had heard that. Thanks!
@@drc930 it literally just went through Thomaston around 9:50 with 4 cars, I think the ones it brought up on Friday. If you could let me know when they leave Brunswick that would be great cause I want to chase them back up a little ways.
@@CoolFireTrucks Awesome thanks!
@@CoolFireTrucks It just arrived in Brunswick now. Should be heading east in a half hour or so. I'll let you know when they're on the move.
Wow all those fire fighters couldn't put out a small house fire. Waiting so long for water why? nice video.
I always ask myself the same question. 9 minutes into the video before the first line was even charged. Ladder truck arrived and positioned but didn't spray a drop of water. Don't understand.
Are the fire hydrants in another county ???
I understand that firemen want ventilation for visibility even at the cost of increased flames. I have seen firemen competitions where they have water running in under a minute. One fireman hops off the truck with one end of the hose as the truck slowly passes the hydrant. Here it was around eight minutes. Internet says a slow fire can double in 2 minutes, and a fast fire can double every 30 seconds. That means the fire got somewhere between 16 time and 65,000 times bigger than when they arrived. In an older home with balloon framing and few fire blocks, the fire spread is probably closer to the latter, especially when the open the roof. I don’t know why firemen don’t have a half inch diameter long steel pole with high pressure water and lots of tiny holes at the end to jamb through a door or wall. A gallon or two of water in a fine spray would probably suppress smoke, absorb a huge amount of heat, and probably prevent flashover before entering a room,
almost every engine company carries a piercing nozzle --they mostly collect dust
Fundamental fire fighting rule, you don't put water on smoke, only visible fire. Smoke travels before fire, open up the structure to allow fire to show itself, then use water put out the fire
@@edgregg7371 aside from hydraulic venting
If you start using common sense and logic, you will be forced out of the comment section fast. Those fire challenge skills and intelligence are for fun and entertainment. At real fires, that aggressiveness is left back at the station. this fire fight should have been a quick and simple extinguishment of a smoldering fire that would have caused superficial damage. But then the fire players arrived and now the damage is extensive, and lives were put at an unnecessary risk.
@@edgregg7371 Sure sounds good on paper but not in the real world of uncoordinated humans.
I know basically nothing bout fire fighting, but have never seen more equipment at this size fire.
First time in LONG time I have seen a hose clamp being used. No way they were loosing that structure with all that equipment!!!
My street has seen it's share of house fires. I never saw our Firefighters be so lackadaisical. They arrived, ready and prepared to put the fires out. They were also volunteers. Is the training any different?
This was actually very well and intelligently actioned. In fact it would make a good training video on when and where you pause, setup and make a strategic response. their sizeup and truck placement was spot on. They needed a proper flowpath (achieved though their vertical ventilation). The ladder placement was excellent. There is a time and place to rush (most of the time) and a time to pause the action while purposely setting up a response. This was quite good. Rewatch how purposely the pumper driver was. Every action when he arrived on scene was done methodically .Even though he wasnt going to be the engineer he got the pump circulting then grabbed a pack, checked the back of the house reported to i.c, grabbed line etc. Well done guys. You can see the solid trainig here. Even the Police and Medics were properly staged.
Why are they just standing around. The water isn't even turned on 😮. I see line's out but No water. Okay now I see one line with water now.
Looks like he was just about to set that ladder down on those wires at 4:55. Good thing he noticed.
Great job guys.
Where the heck is a charged hose line ? Don’t see anyone at pump panel of first arriving engine co.
Is the railroad crossing still in use?
Yes
Why no hose lay when arriving? Hydrant is right at the corner, 3 sections at most of LDH.
Because you weren't there to tell them what to do
Way to clear that intersection guys
Respect aux pompiers pour leurs dévouement les héros de la ville toujours la pour sauver les gens et les biens merci a vous
All fire equipment is to stop at red lights then go they are no different than a car, many accidents happen when a fire apparatus don't stop at a red light, people get killed or serious injured.
Another example of SLOW response to a fire. The guys seem to move in extreme slow motion and just let the fire consume the structure. Wonder if the response would be the same if it was one of their homes burning?????
Let me take a moment to educate you... The house was clearly vacant and had been double checked by the first officer on location, meaning there was no need to rush as no lives were at stake. So you do not needlessly risk FF lives over property. Second, this was clearly a confined space fire (attic) above the second division that had not vented yet, it was oxygen starved so you dont just go rushing in and start tearing down the ceiling as the moment you do O2 gets in and feeds the fire. Better to let it stay starved and take your time SLOWLY venting the roof that way the heat escapes vertically, tearing down the second division ceiling will result in the heat and smoke flooding it and needlessly making for poor conditions. Instead you get your crews and lines in place while the roof division sets up to start ventilation, once it begins the interior crew can start pulling the ceiling in cooler/clearer conditions and knock down the fire. Working it this way is much safer and actually causes far less damage.
They were all fired up and doing reckless disregard getting to fire, but then they forgot why they came.
What is the latter truck doing?
First in engine made two glaring mistakes in my opinion. One they passed a hydrant that they could have dropped in from and had the second engine hook it for them, and second (more importantly) they blocked the ladder truck from better access.
they sure did,,no supply line for like 8 mins or more then only one line on the attack..then I see ladder trucks with water cannons on them do nothing at all...are they Not trained to use them??
@@fredbiden868 hookup to a hydrant and use your man power. The other option is Pull up and not knowing if a you or kids are inside. If any issues you can immediately enter with water. Knowing there are trucks coming behind you. I would go for 2nd option
@@fredbiden868 We always let 2nd due in engine catch the plug and use our water tank till we get supply line. I noticed that it was the 4 engine in that hooked the plug.
@@skipd9164 It was stated several times that the house was checked twice for occupants by prior firemen before engine arrival. It did not show this but was mentioned as an after note.
I commented too soon. These tactics actually went from bad to worse. The squad was way too late in arriving. Far too many apparatus for such a small fire. Unbelieveable.
Doesn't make sense to drag a charged line up stairs and around sharp corners. I'm surprised that no one asked why they didn't use the deck gun.
We not use wheel chocks anymore?
Charles, Thats the first thing I noticed too! Not too safe!
First engine in make quick hit with tank water. Truck setup was a little off but should have hooked up to engine. Second engine company connects to hydrant , pull forward and connect to engine. Got to work. That took too long. Did this for 24 years!
Amen Brother ! That's how we roll here in South Carolina . I'm watching this at the station today and we're all laughing bccz nobodys doing the most obvious and tactically efficient move (establish a water supply) . Bless these guys and pray they get more training. Not saying they "suck"....just saying there is a better way!
Truck parked at that wonky angle because the engine stopped right in front. Always TRY to leave the front for the truck company. You have a lot more hose on that engine than that truck has reach with his ladder.
After watching this video I can only guess that perhaps this was a multi department drill? The condition of the house is suspect. The lack of preparedness upon arrival, the carelessness in approaching and passing through intersections along with other obvious things makes me wonder if new or inexperienced members were put into a “real” situation? If this is not the case, then the never suspicious house under construction fire, raises some other questions.
Not a drill. We don't do drills like that here. I live here. No drills.