I Cannot Believe Jumbo-Visma Tried This Again | Tour de France 2022 Stage 4
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Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Stage 4 of Tour de France 2022 which finally saw some big action from jumbo-visma.
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In the last two stages of the 2021 TdF, WVA finished 1st and 1st. So his last six stage placements have been 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1.
Good point, that’s fucking nuts
Will he beat the mark cavendish wins record?
@@meira5446 obviously
Could have been 6 1's with a little bit of luck 😅
😂 holy crap wiw
The bird sound @7:04 is sublime
I want a compilation of these moments at the end of the year, together with the "oh no, oh no, oh nonononono" and all the other best LR sounds.
It's what makes LR so good!
When the yellow jersey attacks stage wins, you know the thrill is on!
Yeah, even if I don't think it was the best tactics by Jumbo, it's still awesome to see the yellow jersey win in a breakaway like that.
It is reminiscent of Pogi getting back to back mountain wins in last year's Tour. There is something exhilarating about watching the yellow jersey in full flight and dominating
Well it's only week one. Good for him to get some screen time in yellow.
@@spoon0r stop the hating
@@savagepro9060 Not hating. It's cool to see some fun in these early stages.
That was like the best 12km of a Sprint Stage ever on TdF. Such a good Job
@@patrickbateman7444 How was that not a sprint stage? Also the wind had no influence at all
@@patrickbateman7444 There was 7 miles to the finish from the top of the last climb. It definitely wasn’t a flat stage but no one expected the finish to end as it did. It was seen as a possible break up in the peloton due to wind but still likely to be a sprint from.a reduced peloton.
@@patrickbateman7444 I could have imagined not all sprinters would make it but still was was clearly a sprint stage. These Cat 4 Climbs are not too hard for most of the sprinters
@@patrickbateman7444 1500 m elevation gain is pretty low tbh, even for a sprint stage. Maybe in week 3 it would've been a breakaway stage. But this isn't week 3, it's week 1. 113 riders finished in the peloton, including all serious sprinters bar Groenewegen. Philipsen, Laporte, Kristoff, Sagan arrived in the top 5. They aren't sprinters?
This was a sprint stage, period. Perhaps a somewhat reduced bunch sprint lacking a few of the sprinters because of that final climb but nailed on for a sprint nonetheless.
I think they made the right call, if he waits for Jonas and Yates he lets the peloton get closer too and it may give other GC teams an incentive to chase where as now only the sprinter teams were pulling. I don't think the possibility of gaining a couple of seconds on Pogacar was worth the risk.
Maybe, but I just can't help think who was left to chase anyway. Initially Pog was completely isolated, Ineos wont chase because of Yates, Jumbo will block the road so which teams are/were left that had strong enough squads to chase 3 strong and motivated riders all gaining either time or a stage...
@@dylanperkins5212 true about Pog, but there is also a possibility that Yates just sits on the wheel as Ineos has other horses to bet on too, like Thomas and Martinez
Agreed. Also, no guarantee that Yates would have taken turns on the front if Wout waited for him and Jonas. Maybe Yates would have acted like an anchor and the peloton would have caught up. In the end, it was only an 8-second margin for Wout.
After what we have seen from Pogačar over the last two years, if I were Jumbo, I would try to take every chance to put him under pressure I can get. And it is pretty obvious, that his team is pretty weak on this terrain and he was a bit out of position. But Jumbo has too many side projects and doesn't focus on the task ahead.
@@beckobert Green is not a "side" project, nor is Wout winning stages. He is one of the best riders in the world and at his peak. He serves the team brilliantly in many ways, both on the road (think Paris-Nice stage 8, in which he practically carried Primoz to the finish) and with the sponsors (think they like day after of 24/7 Wout coverage at the biggest race in the world?). And even with Wout and Laporte on the Green team, TJV still has the deepest climbing team in the field. If one of their GC guys doesn't win Yellow, it won't because they lacked support. It would almost certainly just mean that Pog was too good again.
Can we please talk about that Laporte got 2nd in the bunchsprint without even standing up? 😂
No
No!
The team Dr is on point
Absolute beast Laporte.
He’s in my fantasy team, please tell him to try 🤣
Jonas joining Wout would probably cause a bit of a threat to the gc and thus result in more aggressive chase by Pelton. Imo Wout did the right thing.
Yes, I agree. IMHO, Jonas is a greater threat than Primoz based upon the Dauphine. If Jonas had gone with Wout, the peloton would have been much more aggressive in trying to chase them down.
@@gulfgal98 Maybe but Jonas is not a bad time trialist and he did not have wait more 2 sec in order to get on the wheel. It is not like Adam is gonna win stage anyway or the Tour for that matter and Pogacar did not have any team mates so who is gonna chase them? Jumbos management is bad.
I see the logic, but who could put up the chase. Only team with enough riders for it was Jumbo, Ineos and Trek.. Jumbo and Ineos is obviously not going to chase, and Trek don’t care about GC
@@nikolajbruun-nielsen6101 I agree to your point. The main problem would be if Yates is down to it. If Yates commits, they can definitely at least put some nails on Pogacar’s legs which is the main point of what they do. Roglic can just sit on.
Well, 7 stages later and Jonas V certainly affected the GC position of Pogacar.
It was Phillipe Gilbert 40 years old birthday today, WVA offered his daily yellow shirt to him with his autograph (and Bernard Hinault autograph too).
The fact you’ve missed the “red bull gives you wings celebration” is brilliant. Also love the annotation of riders “podcast co host.” For Rowe is up there with when you marked Quintana with “no esta Una cyclista”
He just hasn't tbf, in lrcp he comments on it
Yeah I think they all missed the Red Bull gives you wings gesture lol
@@user-bz9ld2go3g hahah yeah, on NBC they said it was "maybe butterfly wings?"
SBS tv commentator got the red bull reference but not immediately.
van Aert said it was regarding the yellow jersey giving him wings.
I think he chose wisely. With Jonas and Yates I think the chances of staying away were much smaller
Ineos wouldn't be chasing
@@stendijk8949 And UAE wasn't able to chase, so i actually think it wouldn't have made a difference. He should have waited imo
@@stendijk8949 yes they would, they want Thomas up there, not Yates. They don’t care about the sprinters though, because Jonas returned to the peloton they had no reason to chase.
I disagree. Vingegaard and Yates are great big motors. No way would the peloton have caught them
@@itszaque5031 ineos definetly wouldnt have chased if they had a man in a stage winning move. However the other gc teams would have gone all out not to lose time to vingegard
Loved Jumbo ripping it up on the last climb. Hammer time. 👏
When you know how strong these guys can pull and then see their pain face, you know it's just brutal to hang on the back!
So happy for Wout. I’d never seen a guy carry yellow for 3 days and clearly look disappointed - he’s such a competitor and just wants to win every single race. A great ride by his team and of course his solo effort. Well done Wout - you deserve this one.
Lol shoutout to the Baltimore Ravens in a cycling video. Now that's impressive👍😂
I expected Ineos and Jumbo to work together to drop Pogi. Today's last 10 kms shows that WVA will probably work for Rogla tomorrow.
That was my thoughts watching live. I want to see them work together to put time in to pog. I expected that after that attack but wout went clear
Jonas leaked that on a podcast he was on
@@stendijk8949 could u point me in the direction of that podcast please?
@@billpickle2875 lmao pathetic jumbo & ineos
Underestimating UAE every year
WoutStanding!
Come for the race commentary, stay for the "Ka kaaaaaaaaa!"
Great job on the coverage. The TV coverage said Roglic was nowhere to be found when VA took off. But here we can see that he wasn't that far back at all.
This is a great long term play. It’s a 21 stage race. This gave WVA a larger gap in the yellow as well as the green, plus the stage win. It also allowed TJV to sit on for a free ride when everyone is killing themselves to pull back WVA. In stages to come, TJV will now have those matches to spend to further their team and their GC contenders. 3 of the top 7 ain’t bad.
That's true but Wout also burned a huge match himself. This was for his stage win not his yellow.
Not a single GC team burned themselves, TJV used their team way more than other GC focused teams (only Ineos is active too). Wout isnt threat in GC so GC focused teams didnt chase.... Its good for Wouts green jersey but not for their GC ambitions. Lets see if TJV is strong enough to handle it and Wout didnt burn himself for his domestique role to come. I hope TJV are calculating it well to attack Pogy.
Redbull gives you wings ultimate marketing man.
I love the Tour and we're just getting started. Thank you for the amazing race analysis!
Appreciate how you try, and succeed surprisingly well, with pronounciation of the names!
Great to see the actual positions of Poj and Roglic with your analysis, was not posible to see on tv at all, thanks
This was a really amazing stage finish. Incredible action. And man, that Phillipsen guy who won the field sprint is incredible.
Shoutout to LR these highlights are the best in the business by far. Keep it up!!!
Wout should NOT have waited for Jonas. There would have been much more of an impetus to chase if there had been a GC player up front pre-cobbles, particularly since a lot of Ineos and UAE were in the second group. If they’d committed to the chase from the off by adding to the sprint trains, given they still got within 8 seconds even with Alpecin being totally unaware Van Aert was still out there, they’d have almost certainly mopped him up and the stage win and top points would have been out of the question. Van Aert was flying on a move that would have won him a Monument at that point - let him do his thang. The team will thank him for it later. First non-mountain, non-TT stage won by the race leader of the Tour de France since Fabian Cancellara ambushed the peloton in 2007 - Van Aert is the Cancellara of our generation, and probably even more versatile.
Disagree. Why would Jonas follow Wouts attack up the hill and waste any energy at all? Jonas and Primoz should just sit on Tadej wheel until the mountains then. Surprise attacks don’t always work but you have to try. The goal is gc. If you can take a chance to get some time then take it. Get as much buffer as you can any chance you can get it.
WvA made a judgement call coming off that climb. He knew how fresh he was and how fresh his teammates were. He knew he had the legs to go for it, as well as teammates behind who could possibly slow the train. The peloton failed. If they’d stopped thinking about their individual teams and worked together as a solid group, they’d have brought WvA back easily. He was pulling away for half of the flat because the peloton couldn’t get their shit together. It was the perfect storm and WvA profited. The peloton should have seen this move coming. You don’t get to be a Red Bull rider because you’re average.
Racing a la pedale. It’s not just a choice, it’s a lifestyle. When you’re the best, you don’t stop to calculate, you go for it. It might not always bring you the best results and it brings you incredible love from the supporters. That’s why Ineos / Sky is generally unpopular and people love the likes of Sagan and Alaphilippe so much. That was definitely the good call from Wout.
These kinds of attacks always succeed because the peloton cannot get organized.
They would have never let Jonas get away. I think they played it perfectly.
like these concise recaps a lot!
Another excellent analysis. Thank you.
The position of Anthony Pérez on the bike its just perfect🤩💯
Amazing how many views LR is getting. So glad. Keep pushing the numbers!
Patrick your trademark flair makes this channel gold 🤣
around 60% of engagement with your viewers (Subscription vs views) , thats pretty good number, congrats on the effort and for the reviews
That’s strong. Nice win .. nice message to others too🎉
Great analysis. Thank you
Team planning, strategizing, executing.... what a feeling of success.. especially with Wout as your anchor leg... he has wings, must be the Red Bull helmet.
really appreciate these recaps, since I tend to drink too much and fall asleep on the sofa while watching Le Tour on the DVR
I love that you actually had Wouts radio recording from his celebration 😂😂😂
Great analysis! thx!
I cannot believe Lanterne Rouge coming back again with the THERMONUCLEAR highlights. Nobody can even touch him! ♥️
goosebumps moment! what a team performance!
WVA’s arm flapping at the end was him saying Red Bull gives you wings. He even said that phrase in a post race interview. It’s interesting though that in their race summary upload on their YT channel Jumbo-Visma has edited out that bit and only shows his fist punch in the air as he crossed the line.
He referred to it but actually said the yellow Jersey gives you wings.
@@eterlizzi “gives you wings” is very much the slogan of Red Bull and unlike every other JV rider WVA wears a Red Bull helmet
@@epincion His exact words were "the yellow jersey gives you wings".
@@epincion in your initial post (this is not a big deal, btw) you said wva said in an interview that phrase which in your sentence was “Red Bull gives you wings”. I was only pointing out as did Traianus Imperator what he actually said which was the yellow jersey gives you wings. I know what he was referencing, but to be clear Red Bull did not get their actual name dropped as you implied. Again, not a huge deal, just calling a spade a spade. Accuracy does matter. ;-)
@@eterlizzi No need to say the words Red Bull. The term “…gives you wings” is so ingrained by now that it’s obvious to any observer. Plus he wears the [ most certainly non-sanctioned=fine] Red Bull helmet in the interview. It’s a blatant pitch. That stunt put $ millions in his pocket. Yellow. Off the front. Solo win. Some people know their worth and also have the ability to capitalize on it. Bravo WVA. & YES!!! Words have meaning & precision in language is FAR too underrated.
Proficiat met je passage bij Vive Le Velo, Benji! Ik heb er van genoten 👌
So cool to see the peloton torn apart like that!! Wowie!
5:55 - Some really cool panoramic shots of Wout Gotta say, that climb looked hella unassuming on the stage profile, gradient aside. Certainly made for an exciting finish!
It seems Laporte losing the wheel of Jonas caused the final gap between the front group and Rog + the Ineos boys. If Rog was ahead of him he'd be with WVA 100%. We were metres away from an even more insane display
This barn storming is a great technique with a team this strong. Waiting for Jonas wood have not been as advantageous as this solo assault was. He made the right move!
Love watching your recaps, so much indepth tactic discussion and also the subtle comedy is great! Thanks for your passion mate!
He waits for Yates and vingegard you have one of the best TT guys in the peloton, Pogocar, going full tilt for the catch. Good move leaving them behind.
I only saw WVA during 10 km with a solo that kept a big group of cyclists behind him. That is my opinion. Wout is a fantastic Belgian cyclist !!
That's a textbook performance by Jumbo! WVA suits the yellow jersey too
just screamed here after this bird sound. Thanks for the videos, I can't watch all the stages and love your work!!
WVA did best by not waiting. He who hesitates is lost.
that was pretty beautiful to watch
I definitely think he should have waited but wow that team attack was so beautiful.
If he waited for Jonas no chance to win anything as they will have chassed them like crazy! Good choise from Wout!
Pretty spectacular stuff, but the outcome suited all the GC teams in the end, Jumbo got the win but used up a few bullets. Bettiol a big winner too, passing the baton to Jasper Phillipsen. How did they not see the giant yellow vulture up the road? Big thanks as always to team LR.
The moment Van Aert took over, dropping the last riders with Yates and Vingegaard into a TT without having a chance to recover whatsoever.. absolute beastmode 🔥🔥
Thanks!
Wout is an absolute machine
What a finish by WVA. Top.
Wout did the Yellow Jersey proud today.
Seemed like WvA caught the whole Peloton flat footed by breaking away. The chase never got organized, esp since most of the head of the pack was JV guys gumming up the works. Looked like great racing as well as ridiculous athletic work by Wout. Pulled the flapping celebration, then made sure to tell the interviewer the the Yellow Jersey “gives you wings” while wearing his Red Bull helmet. NBC guys either missed it or pretended to… Seems like real hardcore cycling people are more understanding about Philipson’s screwup? I guess maybe if you’re in the pack with your head down and no radio, & expecting a bunch sprint, it’s kind of understandable to think you’ve just won. Still I’m sure he wishes he hadn’t done the Superman pose.
Wout is simply amazing
Vingegaard said its was the right decision, i totally agreed, today IT Will get serius. Not To loose time. Another good rev from LR 😜🔝❤️
Love the channel - definitely just sub'd.
With only a gap of 15-17 seconds at the finish line I think wout did well to not wait for jonas and secure his win. The gap they had on pog was too small amyway
G said in his podcast that the bikexchange guy dive-bombed the corner and pushed him and Roglic a bit out of position. He goes through the whole climb with Rowe so worth a listen.
Luke Rowe: Podcast Co-Host.... Love it
Which podacst is it, though?
@@damiangruszecki7733 Watts Occuring
7:03 lmfao, that sound effect 😂
Impressive solo motoring WVA. I think he did not have to wait for Jonnas. This was show time man😅👌
I'm not the greatest fan of bikeracing, but am very impressed with your work of editing, condensing and explaining what happened. Also your rapidfire never-miss-a-beat style commentary shows your thorough analysis of the course. How many hours go in one of these videos?
1.5-2.5 hours start to finish
@@LanterneRougeCycling I just read that you quit your dayjob to do this full time. I wish you great success!
100% correct decision to go for the stage win in spectacular fashion when in yellow - at least from an onlookers perspective. I guess there can be arguments against it from a tactical perspective. But it's only stage 4 and the tour is not decided in the first week.
Loved Wout's celebration.
I seems that the clear shot at the stage win trumps tiny GC differences. But yah incredible and clear demolition of the peloton by Jumbo dudes.
This was Wout's day. Wout taking a win in yellow with Jumbo on his chest will be worth /loads/ of publicity to Jumbo across the Netherlands and Belgium. Wout and MvdP are big stars and well-known outside of cycling. Publicity for Jumbo-Visma with Wout winning stuff is great for the sponsor. Getting Wout a stage win in the early stages was no doubt a team goal, simply for the publicity. And doing it in the yellow jersey even better.
Amazing sprint by Philipsen yet again, the pure pace I feel like he's the fastest man of the bunch but the positioning just lets him down time and time again
Baltimore Ravens approves this win.
Too funny commentary on the finish today 😂
you are the man
He maybe couldn't see far enough back down the road to get enough information to make his decision on whether to wait or go. In the end a good result. Stage win. Another jump in the points competition for Wout. Jonas keeps his powder dry. And JV are looking very strong.
Great break down as always!!! It would have been interesting to see if Jonas and Yates could have made it across and got some time on Pogi🤷♂️ but the time difference would have been nominal and better save it for tomorrow😬😬😬 anyways!!
I believe if WVA had waited for Vingegaard, the GC would have pushed for catching them. I think it was a deliberate Jumbo-Visma move.
Probably the right call in the situation. Would have loved to have seen what could've happened if Roglic and Thomas were slightly further forward and didn't have spend energy going round dropped riders. There might have been potential for a 5/6/7 man Ineos/Jumbo TTT to put a bit of time into Pogacar?
I watch the whole replay but still come here to see what Lanterne Rouge has to say.
Luke Rowe’s team name detailed at 3:06 in your pointer graphic as Podcast Co-Host 😆
10k full gas !!!!! Insane effort.
That was a very impressive sprint by Jasper. He came from a long way back and passed a lot of people through small gaps Should still have covered that a bit lantern.
Boring stage till Jumbo Visma decided to flex some muscle.....WvA is something else and Vingegaard was very smart for not trying to go along since that wouldn't have worked!!!
He just couldnt follow
@@LeZinZin95 he could follow just fine. Just chose to let Yates do all the work and sucked his wheel the whole time. Btw, that’s what he’s going to do to Pogacar with but with Roglic instead of Wva
@@frankburn6312 In the post race interview Jonas said he could not hold WvA's wheel.
@@LarsRyeJeppesen he wasn’t on Wva’s wheel, was it?
That was the obvious plan for Jo as to be dragged home. It shows as the other two jv riders shut down the peleton as best they could
There's a big if in waiting for Yates and jonas. All the other GC teams would have chased. Theat means bora, UAE, baharain. Then sprint teams, alphecin, internachey, lotto etc. Gruphama might also chase. This could make it difficult for them. So i guess it's a diffucult call. On the other hand, if those three started pacing, we might have seen panic mode with pogacar and bunch splitting to further pieces.
Good decision making by WvA: had he waited for Jonas, GC teams would all have chased pedal to the medal. Even if they didn't catch them, they would have carried Yates with them, who would not have helped one bit obviously, and then he would have jumped them on the line, with his more than decent sprinting abilities
Also, the WVA celebration was the Red Bull gives you wings slogan. Lol!
WVA should definitely have gone. The Red Bull helmet gave him those lovely wings
This was the best tactic for Wout, not to wait. Vingo was covering Yates had he gone ahead all the GC teams would have pulled to close the gap and he would not have won. One could argue they might have pulled faster with 3 riders. Hard to say
ahouldve shown the sprint philipsen did. crazy
If it works... Thanks for your vids!
I think he should've waited. If you want to beat Pogacar in the GC you should explore every little chance presented to you. In retrospect I actually think it would've been very hard for the 3 of them to stay away until the end but still, it would've been worth it
I don’t think that would’ve worked if he waited he’d have less of a gap and the other two are skinny climbers not much help at 60k an hour trying to escape the sprinters
If wout can claim the green jersey early, then he can support more in the hills, so one of the aims gets sorted for jumbo.
Jumbo Visma - Schlurp Schlurp! Loving the coverage. Also nice to hear Ravens get a mention 💜
Right move. They gain 25-30 secs on peloton but massively increase chance of a stage win with out or Jonas. Time gain is nothing in the overall GC for Jonas