Last time we asked how long it would take Max Verstappen's RB16 to lap everything out there. This time we ask: how well does Lando Norris' McLaren MC35 fare against almost every era of classic F1 car? Once again, we take to Assetto Corsa to find out.
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It’d be cool to see a “restomod” of an early ‘00s V10 F1 car with modern aero,tires, DRS e.t.c to see how insane it’d be
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I was just day dreaming about that
F2004 with turbo v10, drs , ers , and slick tires , driven by pedro de la rosa
@@thatonenigeriansformula dont forget the 8th gear. It could probs go 380 with all of that(8th gear, drs, ers and slicks) not that slicks matter for topspeed but still
@@nesovsky1474 yes
The two best sounds from F1's past that I'll mourn the loss of probably forever - The manic shriek of a V10, and Kimi on the radio.
Iceman
And they call kimithe iceman
yea it's so sad they don't sound like that anymore, that is the real sound of formula 1, it should never be forgotten
@@alf3071 exactly the V8 years where some fantastic years
@@aimarowenhuarte but not as best as the V10 era.
Kimi's commentary never disappoints. "Leave me alone, I know what to do" Lol.
😅😂😂
Ferrari on hards. Yep. They predicted the future.
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The little insert of Kimi saying“Just leave me alone I know what I’m doing” got me😂
All the Kimi Moments! Gonna miss him in that mega quick McLaren from 2005. 900bhp and so much lighter than 2021 machines. Great video man I love your voice and excitement!
We'll all miss him! End of an era, for sure.,
Meanwhile 2022 cars are heavier than 2022 uglier or even worst
Repent to Jesus Christ “And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.” Philippians 4:19 NIV h
yeah perfect video i just missed the time and placements while they were racing.
shame it blew up half the time
14:38 "Now imagine if those cars weren't on grooved slicks made intentionally to slow them down'. - Yep, absolutely. And you'd find if they were on slicks, Montoya's pre-qualifying time at Monza 2004 would still stand as the fastest lap instead of Hamilton in his Hybrid Mercedes on slicks.
Except it wouldn’t
@@imjustspeakingfactsbro4189 give it an 8 speed gear box and it would destroy the obese Mercedes
@@brubrulani except it wouldn’t
@@imjustspeakingfactsbro4189 except it would
They are changing the tracks all the time to make them safer, remove barriers, etc which makes the track generally faster. A modern day F1 will get trouced by an older V10 with modern day electronic systems.
Imagine the W11 with a V10. the insane aero and the insane engines.
Would be slower
@@antoniohagopian213 lmao
Insane favoritism too, Ferrari presented DAS to MaFIA in 2018 and they rejected it.
The W11 was a shit heap of an ugly bastard to put that engine in.
@@antoniohagopian213no because they v10 is lighter revs higher and makes more power plus take modern engineering in account it would put these fucking lawn mowers to shame
Honestly, imagine what power they could get out of a V10 these days, it would be insane.
Imagine e power they could get out of these Cars if they had the same displacement as v10
V10 weighs too much. Also no turbo + the current weight of the cars = slower overall cars
@@Celatra He is referring to the engine.
@@CelatraPardon… I meant- engine power. The development of engine power on the V10
@@Celatra the V10s weighed LESS than the V6, bot the car AND the engine. dont be a potato
Great video Ermin, as always, but Monza was a poor track of choice. I think it is generally well known that the modern cars top end speed is not its strong suit. I would have gone more a more mixed up track like Spa, with decent straight, but still plenty of places for modern cars to show their true strengths as well.
Ermin moment
"Not their strong suit" and then the DRS opens. Ok. Monza is just fine.
yeah 350 kmh down the main straight at monza proves modern cars arent good in a straight line, oh wait... monza is the perfect track to show off a cars power, unlike spa which is a power and handling circuit, monza is purely a power circuit, you're only going to do well there if youve got enough POWAH BABEH
@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 if f1 was just about power we wouldn't se such a big emphasis on aerodynamics, right now they are more important than raw hp
I think the corners at Monza do tend to emphasize the weight difference in the cars, mainly due to the long braking zone.
I think the main reason the V10 cars are faster on the straights is because... since the hybrid cars gained a huge Downforce gain in 2017, it caused ALOT of drag, and drag decreases top speed, however the V10s ran on a lower downforce setup, therefore less drag, so they had a higher top speed
Or maybe the Engine had something to do with it as well. And the hundreds of horsepower they needed to take of as well
Can a 10 year old girl beat Mike Tyson?
No
Those V10's were peak F1, I grew up watching them and they are absolute rockets that have not been matched by the later gens
Uhhhhh................. Whos gonna tell him that the Top Speed of the V10s was the one good thing about it, and that at any other track, the modern cars would dominate
@@jacobhanekamp2534 the lap records held up for over 10 years and on sims I found they feel more nimble and have more mechanical grip in low speed turns
are the mercedes 2017 cars faster? , i thought they were the fastest f1 car ever
@@jamesmckeary8428 i think, the fastest f1 would be the mercedes w11 from 2020, it was a rocket ship glued to the track.
@@nuggy4051 and yet Still today most of those records get beaten by cars twice as heavy as the v10s were, they were arrows on straights but on every other occasion especially acceleration of today the hybrids win clearly, also they are much more environmentally friendly than the pure gas pump that was the v10
As a sound engineer, I LOVE the little added touch with the audio filter on your voice for the in-car bits. Well played, HamSandwich. Well played.
He does mention he’s a sound engineer around 8m30 ish.
@@officialvisaural you're right! I should've said as a "fellow" engineer. Still it's a neat little touch
@@JReaLBiz86 Yeah I was refreshed to watch a video with good audio mixing.
The kimi comments are a great touch
@@officialvisaural I read your comment as I got to him saying "I'm a sound engineer"😂
I'm a bit bias on this, since I grew up with the V12 era F1 cars, so those sound a lot better to me than the V10s. Also, the added Kimi antics on the video had me laughing hard! Great video!
A uniquely entertaining comparison, thanks for going to the trouble. I'm sure dozens of people have already asked, but I would like to see a comparison race between a few of the top 5 F1 cars and the same number of fastest-ever LeMans prototypes on this fantastic Monza track.
In truth as we see with the track records that go down each year. In real life with similar tires the results would probably be the more recent the farther up the grid you would be. It’s not only about the engine, even though it makes a difference it’s not all. And with the changes to smaller engines aerodynamics solutions were implemented that completely changed the landscape year by year. Of course there would be black swan situations. But as a rule of thumb.
Man I loved those Kimi edits 😂 the water bottle 😂
Absolutely amazing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I literally slid down from the chair on the floor while laughing out loud.
Amazing... Kimi's McLaren made it without blowing up!
Surprising that the reliability of that MP4/20 is as realiable as the F2002 lol.
@@user-dv3sm1ff5q an equally unreliable car in general. In terms of outright pace, Kimi was quicker than Alonso in 05, if it was more reliable then he would’ve won the championship that year
Suzuka 2005 Kimi ❤
@@mcfowler1675 Wasn’t the MP4-18 (2003) even worse? I mean there were so many opportunities Kimi could’ve got points had his engine not fail him I believe almost 50% of the 17 races that year.
@@RBMapleLeafthe mp4-18 did not even made it to the start of a gp
Very cool video !!! Wow so many memories watching this. I think F1 V10s of 2004 are the quickest ever. They had weird limitation on the tyres, 4 stripes in the middle to slow them. With slick tires they would have gone seconds faster. And in race mode as refuelling was allowed, they were absolute sprint machine lapping 5 to 6 seconds faster than modern cars. Alonso, Button, Schumacher, Barrichello etc looked completely destroyed at the end of races. It was another time, different context, different issues but it was nice 😎🙌🏻
Oh man, even though that was a game, I thoroughly enjoyed that! That was really entertaining and I've always wondered how the two would fare against each other Modern Vs the Classics. I would love to see something similar in real life. I would think that would sell out. Cool vid man!
5:09 classic Kimi 😂😂😂
True
Okay but clockner being an F1 fan is not something I expected to see 😂
This was fun and intense to watch. Well done and great video! Those V10 era F1 cars are truly one of a kind. Here, and in real life. 👌
The cars these days have grown so much bigger, they old 2000s car were so powerful and nimble. And the V10... I get goosebumps listening to such symphony!
This was a brilliant video! Thank you and keep them coming?🔥🔥🤙🏼
Mansell's 92 Williams should have been in there . The pinnacle of technology. Senna's MP4/2 as well.
Senna never drove the McLaren-Porsche MP4/2. He drove the McLaren-Honda MP4/4.
they are using grooved tires “makes you wonder how fast they are on slick tires“ - this is VERY easy to find out, in content manager chose the car and hit “replace tires“ and you can fit anything on any car! Please make a video with mid 2000 f1 cars on slik tires and also put that record breaking endurance porsche in it! (And put one ai with your car in the grid so we can see how far off the ai pace frim a human is, I think if humans drove on that race in alonsis and kimis car tgey would be a lot quicker but its hard to tell by how much if you dont have an ai competing with your car)
I just tried that on my content manager, it doesn’t work… It keeps telling me to “hold shift to swap tyres” tried that as Well, didn’t work either. Would you care to explain more in depth how you are supposed to do it?
@@lucabuzz2678 hey, I just tried it and it didnt work for me either. I didnt use cm in at least half a year so maybe I forgot how it works but judging from my internet search this broke some time in 2021. You can try earlier version of content manager from 2019 or use the “generate new tires“ option in the replace tires menu.
@@michaelmeier9085 yeah…
@@lucabuzz2678 I made it! I had the feeling something special was necessary to make this tire swap work so I went back and played around a bit and it worked: Click replace tires - then on the right side where it lists all tires left click any tire and hold - then drag them to the left side where the cars current tires are-keep holding left click and right click under the #1 - release both mouse keys- then a delete box will appear - while this box is open - drag the tires you want to have from the right to the left. And now they are accepted. Try it several times it needs some practice :) Write me if it works for you!
@@michaelmeier9085 the fact that both of y'all have the same color for y'all's profile pic...😂
I love ur commentary man! And this video answers all the questions
The late 1990's to early 2000's were the best era after 1980's turbos. No ABS, no traction control, beryllium engine parts, 900-1000hp from 3litre v10, 19-20 000rpm, no max rev limit in the rules.
The cars from 2001-2007 actually did have traction control.
Ermin what a brilliant video. Made me laugh so much with the edits from Kimi after what has been a tough week. Genius. More, more, more 👏🏼🙏
I was thinking the same things! Ermin, you are a genius. Can't wait to see what you do next! God bless and Merry Christmas 🎄😎🎸
Great to see one of my long time fave channels get referenced by Jimmy!! Remember when ACC came out and you were learning sim racing
Juan Pablo Montoyas record stood there at Monza for so long in that Williams V10 BMW. On grooved Bridgestones no less. Miss the screaming V10's so much! And as an IndyCar fan over F1 the days of the 1000HP twin turbo methanol breathing 256 MPH top speed CART monsters are of a bygone era. Its looking more and more like the early 2000K's was the peak 'Golen Era' of motorsports that will never be seen again.
imagine the old v10 engines combined with today's aerodynamics. it would be wonderful to hear and see. that would be a BEAST!!!!
The V10s wouldnt have enough torque to push the cars thru the air. Top speed would be around 300 kp
@@danesebruno due to the lack of tuebos?
@@danesebruno turbos plus hybrid?
@@100ksubscribersandipostvid5 The V10s were designed for small, lightweight cars. The harmony was perfect. The modern engines have a LOT more torque due to the turbos and electric motors
OMG... I love the kimi radio reaction, “JUST LEAVE ME ALONE I KNOW WHAT TO DO” 🤣🤣 he is a legend will miss him 😣 in F1
i really miss the v10 days... the sounds man. the sounds...
The reason theyre so fast on the straights besides the epic 19000rpm V10's is they are less wide with thinner tyres, makes a massive difference in drag.
Very entertaining! I enjoyed it all the way to the end.
My only problem with this is that the mods for the older cars may be less accurate because they are made by single people unlike the Race Sim Studio official 2021 f1 car
Well the mid 2000s cars are made by a well known team if I remember correctly, so that is really all that matters as they are the fastest cars
The RSS cars (physics-wise) are made by one person too. That's... not a valid criticism. What is valid is that very little hard data exists in the public realm for most of these which will, inevitably, lead to problems with realism. Good point poorly made. ;)
@@PlatinumAgar all you have to do is look at lap records to find out which cars are the fastest and it's 2017-2021 by an absolute mile
@@mch6367 Well that's not apples to apples. The V10 cars didn't have slicks or DRS. Yas Marina 2020 proved that the V10 cars on slicks still had the ability to keep up. And that's with an engine nearly 2 decades old limited to a certain RPM. Imagine if more R&D had been put into the V10. No doubt such a monster would scorch the modern cars built to be as micromanaged as possible.
@@MrJr1976 yeah..... but it wasn't built differently...... so it's slower....................
The sound of that v10 gives the feels like as the rpms increase we feel that it's going faster and faster but i. The hybrid car's it's just feels we're going at a constant speed as we cannot feel the increase in speed and rpm as in the v10
Those moments with Kimmi are pure gold Bro ;D Good job! ^^
Another Ermin video, let's go.
The parts with Kimi are legendary 😅😂
Great content, enjoyed the vd. Wish you’d use the fastest cars from each era tho
What an exciting race! Really enjoyed watching this ❤
I wonder how this would've ended if it was for a full race distance. Also lots of the additional weight of modern cars is safety related. Impact and crash structures, the halo and wheel tethers. Also Monza is very geared towards the older cars. Let them all have a go at Silverstone sometime.
this guy has his clear biases. Not one mercedes car from the hybrid era, the cars that won 8 championships. instead he puts a ferrari 😂😂 this guys an idiot.
It feels like F1 is getting slower but isn't the W11 the fastest car in F1 history?
The old f1 cars in this video are quite unrealistic the w11 would destroy any f1 car ever
@@rak7791 its the track, the v10s are still unbeatable in top speed. Any other track and the 2021 cars would have won it easily
@@matheussouza3751 yeah i agree
Today's F1 dont allowed for refuel, how do you think teams cope with that?
@@harukrentz435 efficiency
I came across this video randomly, and actually stayed to watch the whole thing. Good job.
*VERY* entertaining! Subscribed! Thank you!
Only OGs know this is a re upload
Right? I was a bit confused
I thought i had seen this video before👀
I knew it!
@@tmoshamo same
Why was it reuploaded? I knew I had seen this before
I can't believe you left out the car that held the record at Monza for more than 15 years. The BMW Williams v10.
I was also looking for it :)
Juan Pablo Montoya’s car?
Plus the best f1 v10 ever made by far was M. Schumacher's ferrari F2004...but no comment..!
@@alkispanou3781 F2004 was a better car but the BMW engine in the Williams was a monster.
@@johnnycab8986 f1 is not just the engine is the whole package plus the F2004's engine produced over 970 hp which was at the top of the list along with the BMW engines.
No Mclaren MP4/4???? That's the most iconic of all
The best description I've heard of the hybrids vs the v10's is; "the Hybrids are faster, but they're not quicker".
also, i wonder how a full length session might go. obviously wouldn't have reliability and such to worry about, but between tire and fuel wear, pit strat, etc, maybe the cars would be closer? especially on a track that suits corners and acceleration much more
It all makes sense now. I was wondering why modern F1 races and cars look so slow - it's just because i'm used to the monsters that the early 2000s cars were. Smaller and less powerful engines with bulkier and heavier cars can't really bring something faster. Really miss the speed of the Golden F1 Era, but what i miss even more is the sound. Those howling V10 will forever stay not only in my mind, but my heart and soul as well.
This was fantastic. Thank you for this.
Holly sh*t, this was a lot more thrilling than I was expecting!!!! 😯 And Kimi's quotes...🤣 🥺
I miss the banshee wails of the the V12 and V10 era.
it feels great seeing Kimi Raikkonen still killing it.
good choice for this vid, interesting setup would like to see a match with just modern with 5 or so older F1 but not the ancient ones to clog up the track and put it on a tight track
This vid just earned you a sub, that was cool
You can give the old cars any tires you want: In content manager click replace tires-then on the right side where it lists all tires left click any tires and - drag them to the left side where the cars current tires are-keep holding left click and right click under the #1 - and release both mouse keys - a delete box appears leave it open - now you can drag and drop any tire from right to left. Sounds complicated but it is easier than it sounds!
Only legends know this is a reupload
This confirms that I'm not crazy
Nice Video! And asked a great question to begin with!
in 1968 jimmy clark in a lotus H-16 set the lap record at spa with the old 22mile circuit, although that old circuit has been closed down, its basically still there, in 2008 they removed the barriers of the old spa circuit so that michael schummacher could break it in a v-10 car. he came close but no cigar, missed it by 1.1 seconds
while its a good visual comparison it is worth keeping in mind all the 90's & 2000's v10s and v8s are mods & some of them (like the ferrari 310b) are way too fast and others too slow
Okay, but imagine the V10s in today's cars with all the technology and same dimensions, they'd definitely be faster...
Same tyre compounds
wouldn't be faster the new engines make more power
@@somethinganything4864 the total package, yes, the actual engine, no. It's not hard, more fuel = more power, but lower efficiency, yes
@@somethinganything4864 no
They'd be slower, you can't fit the modern package in the cars with a v10. You'd have to strip away the MGU which would leave you with 900hp compared to the v6 package with a whopping 1300hp
Nice video, and nice detail of choosing Ridge Racer Type 4 music in the end. I know it's stressful to drive and observe at the same time, but you can improve on your skill of identifying cars lol
Oh my this was so awesome , had me grinning & laughing all the way to the flag , kimi was hilarious 😂 Thanks so much 👏
Great video!! Would like to see Williams FW14B and Mclaren's MP4/4 on the grid.
It's a huge fail to not have these on the grid. Especially the active suspension Williams seeing as that car is considered the peak of F1 car performance (meaning they had to start intentionally slowing down cars at that point).
I mean no, the cornering speeds are all wrong with a lot of these cars and the downforce produced by the modern ones is unparalleled
Modern F1 cars actually have less downforce, but more weight and questionably "better" tyres. A large part of the so called "improving the racing" in modern F1 has been trying to make overtaking easier and safer. That means less high cornering efficiency (less downforce), more mistakes, but better slow cornering speed (higher mechanical grip) through the tyres.
@@fredsas12 look at the size of the cars and tell me there’s less downforce lad they’re got like twice the square area of bodywork to generate downforce with, it’s actually the low speed corners where the modern cars are slower due to being lazier and heavier
@@fredsas12 lmao
@@fredsas12 The land barges post 2017 are only faster in medium speed corners.
@@sulphurous2656 the w11 in qualifying trim would disagree
Bro I love the little kimi cuts your putting in😂
Bro! this was a great video!!!!
These V10 sounds are chilling. I miss those days.
Ciruit Gilles Villeneuve en Montréal 2000
2015 Ferrari would’ve had the equivalent of today’s soft tyres; they were just painted white
bro the kimi memes killed me, beautiful video
that was a very interesting race there to prove a question. great driving by the way.
This is interesting to see as every single speed record set in F1 has been during the Hybrid Era
lol yeah, this video is for the most part a demonstration of how inaccurate many of these mods are. But also this is a very setup-dependent track and comparisons are pretty pointless without working on that.
At one lap yes. In a full race the v10s would finish ahead.
@@magnusVarblomst they literally wouldn’t. They were slower as much as it hurts your nostalgia. Plus they’d have to put as their tanks were big enough.
@@Griffin283 I am comparing results of clean races, for example spain 2005 which was the last year of v10s, and spain 22 or 23. Race times are quicker back in 2005. You have to take into account they were faster in straights and the cars were way smaller and lighter. Tires were better too, since it was a performance competition between bridgestone and michelin, not degradation management for entertainment. Perhaps you are partially right and in some other circuits with more high speed corners v10 have worse results. Or if tire rules were different now they'd be faster all-around.
@@magnusVarblomst The groved tires were miles slower than modern slicks.. did you ever watch the demo of Alonso driving his championship car on them? It was a missile in comparison to what it was back then. Also, the Spanish GP isn’t a good argument because the 2023 qualifying times were much faster than the 2005 lap times. Not really sure what your point is? Sure they’re slightly faster in a straight line, but miles off in the high speed. They’re not going to be faster on many, is any circuits. Maybe the likes of Baku, Singapore or Monaco. But not on a traditional circuit
It would be interesting to see on any track where there haven't been changes (or even on a single curve which hasn't been changed) how pilots have changed their lines through different eras.
the commentary, the realism of this game, the sounds, its incredible
those Kimi's radios made me laugh through the whole video, well done lol
I'd love to see a v10 with their sound, size and weight with slicks and updated aero. A car like that could break lap records!
If they were more fuel economic I would love it but this may sound stupid but I’m slightly worried about global warming and v10s just dump fuel like no tomorrow
@yese2769 global warming lmfao. Pay more taxes, and it will go away.
Don't forget that in a race moderna F1 doesn't refuel It means 1 minute ahead at the end
Kimi literally made the video for me haha the true cherry on top mate 👌
Hahaha the way you had the Kimi radio parts was so good.
I thought I was having a massive Deja Vu moment when I first saw this
those V10 reving into another dimension is a charme on its own.
Very enjoyable vid. Subbed.
Not sure on the decapitator/sans amp type radio vocal with the on boards Ermin... maybe slightly too far for me but good on you for trying something new and different. Great content as always buddy 🤘🏻
Man chose the only track the V6s arent faster at 😂😂😂
It pains me so much
Well, they should be, it's a track full of straight and the V6s have drs while the V10s don't, so why are you complaining
@@theodorechatzis7881 drs only brings them up to the older cars level, the rest of the time they're bombarded with drag due to higher weight and bigger dimensions and wrong aero setups (pointy sticky uppy beats everywhere). Truth of the matter is, in the years to come, you'll see more electric power given to the cars. 80Kw is laughable, but still they're faster than the old cars. Imagine when they put in a bigger battery and a proper 350Kw motor for the mgu-k and mgu-h to draw from it..... These cars will do 0-200 kph in sub-4 seconds easy.
The V10's and V12's were peak F1. Absolute monsters!
i really enjoyed this thank you
We need the 2022 cars added to this, I would love to see the speed difference
Wait wtf, haven't i seen this video before? I feel like I've seen this video before
That voice over sound quality! Do you even mix and master your voice over track with analog hardware, ErmZ? Hahaha. Jk. Great video!!!
My first time going to the Australian GP was the last year they had the V10's, when they were quite possibly the fastest the cars have ever been and until the new cars come out when they plan to be smaller and lighter nothing will be as fast, but that's just simply due to how much power those V10's had.
Current V6 are more powerful
Id love to see a race between the fastest modern F1 car, the fastest V10 F1 car and one of those 1300+ hp F1 cars in real life
It would be fun but they'd get absolutely smashed by the modern F1 cars
@@goyolake true true
@@goyolake However the f2004 with slicks would be interesting against modern f1
Should've done this on spa or something. This just measures straight line prowess
Man i hope more then just me appreciates the ridge racer soundtrack on your vids
Imagine seeing a lineup with all those different era f1 cars that would be an amazing race
This would have been cooler with the fastest cars from each generation
They needed to have a Brabham BMW turbo BT-52.
This was better watching than most of the current races on TV. I mourn the glorious V10 sound