Sturmtiger's Little Brother, the Brummbär | Cursed by Design
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You’ve likely heard about the story of the Sturmtiger given the plethora of videos on that vehicle as well as its increasing popularity among tank fans. I will without a doubt cover that and other Tiger based vehicles in this series, but for today I wanted to look at a vehicle which is lesser known despite its similar design to the big gunned feline. So sit back, relax and let's discuss the Sturmtiger’s little brother, also known as the Sturmpanzer, Sturmpanzer 43, or as it’s commonly known nowadays, the Brummbar.
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0:00 - Intro
1:50 - Origin of the name
2:36 - Design and armament
5:53 - Production begins
7:26 - Different versions of the Sturmpanzer
10:22 - Munitionpanzer
10:46 - Combat deployment
13:26 - Combat performance
15:33 - Survivors and Outro
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i too enjoy driving for 5 hours, then dieing to CAS
For clarification - the in-game Brummbar dont have just 50mm LFP, under that its another 50mm plate, you can prove that by looking at the bottom corners of it with armor analisis. With the track on top its closer to 110mm effective, whitch still is kinda off from what you presented but at least there is a proper additional plate.
@@mateuszk3812 Ah alright, that makes sense.
Please do not download War Thunder, the devs are so bad
It amazes me how the Germans were willing to make various vehicles to meet various situations instead of being a few general purpose vehicles that they could mass produce and build/share parts for
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Nothing beats Kniepkamp keeping the Pz3 in production when the 4 was proving itself superior.
Let me enlight you, take the T-34, a simpel general purpose vehicles yes? T-34/76, T-34/85, T-34O (flame-thrower) PT-34 (mine sweper) SU-122, SU-85, SU-100, now there are lots of sub-variants of the T34/76 and T-34/85 and probebly some more varaint like a tank-recover variant and a command variant.... now you realise how hard it is to build a general purpose vehicles.
@@kirgan1000 M4 Sherman
@@kirgan1000 let me enlighten you as well...there's a difference between building a variant of something and building something redundant that does the same job. Take the Ferdinand/Elephant and Nashorn for example or any other assault gun or converted halftrack the Germans built that did the same job as the Brummbar. Not really an issue if you have the time and resources....however I do see your point.
Brummbar irl : cursed by design Brummbar in game : Attack ground micro shot, get vet 1, bunker buster barrage on retreat path, wipe enemy squad.
Coh2 reference lmao
Nah i blew a couple brummbar's to the moon with my IS2,IS1 and KV85
@@zachfrancisco8185 better as anti infantry
@@zachfrancisco8185 i once had a brawl with a brummbar in my t34, an enemy stug joined the fight but i killed him, brummbar managed to reload and destroyed me though lol, it was epic (war thunder btw)
@@zachfrancisco8185 No one cares about you or a stupid game
Just a minor hint the term "Abteilung" doesnt mean division or a division sized unit.... a Abteilung is the batallion equivilant for panzerunits. A minor translation error but i had a good chuckle thinking of entire divisions of "Brummbär's" driving through Normandy
That sounds like alot of artilery.
Wow lad let me give you a hand... *battalion *through
My Opa was in Abreilung 43 in the 8th PD. You are correct. Thiis term mean battalion. The direct translation according to my mom is department
@@danday8596 Thanks gonna fix it
Abteilung literally means Battalion. Brummbars were deployed in independent assault gun battalions, which were attached as corps level assets as needed.
Lack of combat documentation can sometimes be caused by soldiers using equipment in an unauthorized way. I have heard it suggested that panzerfousts were frequently used against enemy positions as opposed to against tanks, this being a violation of policy, it was not reported. If the Brummbar was being used as an assault gun, this information may not have been recorded to avoid angering Hitler, who wanted it used as a tank killer.
Source please on panzer Faust usage you claim.
@@MTLB85 idk seems logical
@@MTLB85 The comment was about the fact that there would be no original source. They would not file a report saying they broke the rules. Maybe there would be a source in memoirs written by soldiers or low-ranking officers after the war, but I don't know of any. One can infer from the very large numbers issued, and the very small numbers of tanks destroyed with them, that many were either used for other things or discarded. There were some Russian reports mentioning unspecified "large number" of panzerfausts abandoned. It seems more likely that the soldiers would use them for whatever purpose came up, rather than just throwing them away. Also I heard that the Russians, at first, may not have known that the tube was disposable. If that's the case, then the "large numbers" would have been expended launch tubes rather than abandoned weapons.
It was designed to be used in urban fighting for demolishing buildings and bunkers. The Germans discovered early during Barbarossa that they really needed self-propelled big howitzers to do that so began converting light tank chassis that had their turrets ripped off. Those got the job done but were dangerous for the crews due to their thin armor and open gun compartments.
@@billwilson3609 yes, but, Hitler wanted it used as tank destroyer (as per the video) so they probably used it as you described and then didn't make any documentation of its use so Hitler wouldn't find out. It was absolutely designed as a mobile howitzer.
You present little known tanks in such a talented and detailed way, thanks for the preservation of the rarer stuff in history!
There is a great 1980s encyclopedic series of military equipment books if you can ever find them; called: "Weapons and Warfare" They were published right before the end of the Cold War. (The F-15 finally being fixed was one of their latest additions) It's an amazing ~30 book series that compiled nearly all known WW2 equipment, variants, and a bit of context. They included the US's TDR-1 strategic bomber drone, and the Horton Brothers' theft of Northrop's militerized N-1 patents in their WW2 flying wing designs.
Nice vid, but the in-game Brummbar dont have just 50mm, under that its another 50mm plate, you can prove that by looking at the bottom corners of it with armor analisis. With the track on top its closer to 110mm effective
Good catch, I'll edit that portion out of the video since I was wrong. I couldnt see any bolts so I assumed they hadnt modelled on the plates
@@ConeOfArc that ofthen happens with armor analisis - modules view mode dont display plates that are deeper (while also not being a modern spaced armor) or overlap under the "main" outher armor, and armor viewer shows just the number + lights the main plate. That's the main reason some player get frustrated - game likes to count invisible armor parts in manner, whitch is unclear to most players that cant find that sweetspots to look "under" outher model. Celere Sahariano with its 15mm+35mm ufp, later centurions and Arl-44 ACL-1 with its double gun mantlets are a great eqzample of that. Seems like easy pen, ends up as a worst place to shoot at.
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@@mateuszk3812 Don't forget the absolute troll that is the M4A3E2's UFP
The "Brumm" in Brummbär is derived from the verb "brummen", which means to hum/growl/grumble. That's what a cute little bear does. It's pretty much the opposite of being grumpy.
Brummbär sounds almost like the danish nickname for bumblebee, which is brumbasse. So for a long time as a kid, I thought it meant bumblebee. Still to this day, I think of it as a bumblebee instead of a growling bear. I find it fitting somehow :) The danish word for blackberries is Brombær, which is even way closer to the german pronounciation!
so i was almost correct thinking it was called so because it made a ''brumm'' sound
The in-game model of the Brummbar does actually have the 100mm of armour on the lower plate, the plates are stacked on top of eachother and are both 50mm thick.
Who cares? We're talking reality. If you want to babble abound some game (and we are left to guess which) please go to one of their sites
@@colbeausabre8842 Cone of Arc, the guy who mentioned it in the video?
@@colbeausabre8842 yes , ok coronel, but now calm down, old fart.
@@colbeausabre8842 lol you must be fun at parties!😂
So it represents one of the early units that where build from repaired Panzer IV chassis and had a second armor plate bolted on. "Für die Fertigung der Sturmpanzer wurden ausschließlich Fahrgestelle der Ausführungen E, F und G verwendet, welche alle über eine 50-mm-Bugpanzerplatte verfügten und auf den aktuellen technischen Stand der Ausführung G gebracht wurden. Für die 100 mm starke Frontpanzerung wurde eine zweite 50-mm-Panzerplatte auf der Bugplatte mit Bolzen befestigt und der untere Bug ebenfalls mit einer 30-mm-Panzerplatte mittels Bolzen auf eine Stärke von insgesamt 60 mm gebracht.[4] Im April 1943 wurden die ersten 20 Fahrzeuge fertiggestellt und im Mai folgten weitere 40 Fahrzeuge." (wiki)
Common missconseption about the brummbar in Warthunder there is actually 2 50mm plates bolted onto of eachother try highlighting the corners of the lfp and it'll be highlighted
Edited out that portion after seeing that, should be removed soon once KZhead updates
@@ConeOfArc It is actually visible on the blueprint here: 4:16. In the top left corner tou can see two plates and you can sorta see the drawing saying "50-50".
@@olekzajac5948 I'm aware that the real vehicle has the two plates. The portion I removed was me not seeing the two plates modelled in War Thunder.
What about covering the nearly forgotten Stug, the Stug IV?
Ah, the evolution of German assault guns, from the early StuGs over leFHs on tracks to the big funny rocket launcher. The StuH and StuPa are probably some of my favourite vehicles of the war together with their red counterparts, the SU-122 and ISU-152
Honestly anything mounting the 122 or 152 from the Russians is great fun to read about, and they always look fantastically devastating.... Unless its the death fridge. Thats just funny.
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Fun fact: the Brummbär is its nickname by the allies. In the actual german army it was nicknamed the ”Stupa” which is short for Sturmpanzer IV
Again, I see no curse on the vehicle design. This vehicle is a reasonable re-use of existing resources, with the new parts being being basic and simple. It produced mobile heavy artillery pieces that could survive *close* to the front edge of the fight. The curse, as with so much of German hardware, seems to boil down logistics, to mis-use of the hardware counter to doctrine, and to being literally overwhelmed by massive enemy numbers.
Amen to that! They were designed for fights like stalingrad, to destroy entire buildings, the shockwave alone killing the enemy!
Yeah this video isn’t doing much to live up to its title
yeah this video was pretty underwhelming. No specific cases of combat use listed, he's just prattling off statistics with no underlying message or lesson on the subject, really phoned it in like an 8th grade book report, just filling space. Boring video.
@@QW-lm1ie You can do better? You have a hidden trove of data on the combat use of this vehicle?
@@colbeausabre8842 omg you again.
The Brummbär I've known since I was a little kid playing "Seek and destroy" (Shin Combat Choro Q) on the PS2. It had a starring role as one of the boss enemies.
Huzzah! a man of quality
I love how you say where the surviving tanks are today. I never realized so many cool tanks were to close to where I live.
this bear quickly became one of my favorites in the game, who doesn't love a good derp gun?
Thanks for the video ConeOfArc. FYI a better translation of "Abteilung" in this context would be "battalion."
One of the first plastic panzers that I built back in the 1970's was the Tamiya Sturmpanzer IV. On the box it was described as being used to reduce 'built up areas such as Stalingrad' with a diorama showing its use as a self-propelled pillbox. Thank you for your excellent videos which clear up any old misconceptions from the days before War Thunder.
I was so happy to see the brummbär at the Munster panzer museum. Was a pretty cool tank to see.
More accurately, grizzly bear. that was one German name for the brown bear. And no, my old workmate Ernst Beyersdorfer told me of the Brummbar when I was picking his brains for my model making. It mightn't have been listed in German documentation, but there was enough anecdotal evidence to say the nickname was used.
Parabéns pelo canal mano, continue gravando vídeos muito interessante esse tipo de conteúdo
This had a lot of useful information and photos. Thanks for sharing this.
Brummbär could be translated as humming bear. "Brumm" doesn't really go with grumpy. The word Brummbär itself is almost only used in kids books and usually referrers to a sleepy but powerful creature kept in a zoo or circus. For example Baloo from the jungle book would likely be referred to as a Brummbär.
I thought it was a literal translation of grizzly bear
Brumming is a german word for being grumpy / having a bad mood. And a Brummbär is a "grumpy person" in everyday german. Source: I am a german!
@@mbr5742 ich auch, hab ich noch nie so gehört
What an historical whirlwind tour. Excellent work, very interesting and informative.
This is a very nice and rather unexpected birthday gift. Thank you, ConeOfArc.
Those who played the old 1977 Avalon Hill board wargame, Squad Leader will be very familiar with the bunker-blasting Brummbär
I was playing Squad Leader in 1968 and 1969 with my buddies at a friend's basement during the Summer vacation when it was too hot outside for sports. I was a lousy field commander since I mostly threw snake eyes when rolling the dice.
Great video. Very informative.
Damn man, you managed to find some really nice footage this time
NGL I’ve never seen this channel before but as soon as I saw that absolutely amazing intro design I subbed.
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My current favorite tank. Thanks!
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Wonderful video. Thank you
Godsend,I can shelve this T34/85 kit and drag out the fully detailed sturmpanzer kit that I burnt out on.Great footage and photo’s,”The Worm” was my intended paint scheme but now I have a lot more to choose from.Cheers.
I saw somewhere, I think it was Tank Encyclopedia, that also said that the name Brummbar was given by allied troops, while the german crews referred to it as Stupa
Yeah I saw the Stupa name so I included it on the list at the beginning. Sturmpanzer seems to have been what it was referred to most often from what I could tell.
@@ConeOfArc Ah, I didn't hear you say it at the beginning. I find it to possibly be a variation of Sturmpanzer, in my mind, Stupa could be the simplified variation of Sturmpanzer
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Thanks for the video.
Awesome series! And a HUGE kudos for pronouncing the "Škoda" name correctly with "Sh" sound at the beginning of the word!
I just got the most awesome advertising I've ever seen on KZhead . Sat through right until the end and it ended up being Raid Shadow Legends
My father Sgt James Knapp fought with the 10nth Mountain Div in Italy he won the Silver star in the fighting in the Po river valley. After his squad had crossed a small river they came under fire from a quad 20mm and troops. After his Sgt was wounded he flanked the enemy position and captured the Germans. He was promoted to Sgt and again commended on his excellent use of movement and tactics on the battlefield.
Funny the timing I've just started using the brummbär as my main in warthunder
I had to chuckle when I heard this... In 1971 as a HS graduation gift to myself I spent some time during the summer visiting my German relatives, meeting many for the first time. One family was my dad's Tante Loni and her husband Hermann Scholl. Onkle Hermann served in the Kreigsmarine and was a trip...sort of a funny gruff German Archie Bunker. ..and his nickname was "Brummbär" and he fit it to a "T". A funnier, warmer guy would've been hard to find yet wrapped in the Grumpy Bear facade. A real character.
awsom info, Thanks
I opened this thinking it was the one with the vents round the barrel like a pepper pot. Yes, of course I still watched it.
Per German tanks 1914-1968 by Heinz J Nowarra: "sturmpanzer IV Brummbaer (bumblebear) sd.kfz.166 a self propelled 150mm howitzer on a pz.kw.IV chassis. The undercarriage performed poorly under its heavy load." Accompanied by another version with a 100mm k18 on pz.kw.IV chassis. Of which Only two were built. "Development was abandoned "
The in game Brummbar *does* have a second 50mm plate, on the Lower Front plate, its just very had to differentiate between the two as they are almost identical in size.
I must be weird, because I knew about the Brummbär long before I'd heard of the Sturmtiger.
I had seen it way before the Sturm tiger but I never knew it's name until now
I think a better translation of ":Abteilung" would be "Detachment". The most common usage of the term is for a battalion sized unit not organic to a regiment, but it could be applied to a group of forces as large as an army, if it was an ad hoc grouping, not commanded by an army headquarters
One of my favorite vehicles in warthunder because it can bounce shells and 1 shot everything.
I agree with several of the comments below regarding the "Abtielung (Plural = Abteilungen). The "Abteilung" was a unit or detachment equivalent to a Batallion of soldiers in the German Army.
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Hey coneofarc have you heard of the landslutan tiger. It is a tiger based recovery vehicle I know nothing else about it. Also I have heard of a panther verriant on the same premises
Maybe but as BergenTiger or BergenPanther?
land slut tiger? wait what!??!
I know the BergePanther existed, not so sure about a Tiger recovery vehicle. Maybe Cone can shed some light on this.
@@onomatopoeia7505 ; There are a few photos of a Tiger field conversion into a recovery vehicle. There was no official Bergetiger. (Except for the Porsche based one)
Nice video! The units the Stu. Pa. IVs were organized in were not Divisions though, they were Abteilungen. An Abteilung is an (independent) battalion, despite the literal translation Abteilung is indeed Division. Important to note, as a Division has about 14.000 men, an Abteilung about 500. Greetings from Germany :)
Although the Germans designers had a long list of official technical names to refer to the Sturmpanzer-IV (2:30), it has been documented that German troops used the term "Stupa" (a contraction of Sturmpanzer -- [Stu]rm[pa]nzer) to refer to the vehicle in the field during WW2. For example, in the book "The Forgotten Soldier," an autobiography about the veteran Guy Sajer's experiences as a German soldier on the East Front, the author mentions the vehicle by this nickname during the Battle of Kursk witnessing how much punishment the assault gun took before being knocked out.
Imagine being a allied tanker that saw almost every unique vehicle the axis had to throw at you Back home after the war being interviewed: “Yeah, man those Germans, lemme tell ya. They were some of the toughest bastards you could ever fight… crazy and crafty too. Every few months there was some new contraption being pumped out of their factories. They had anything from small ones with auto cannons to big ones with howitzers. Not all of them worked or weee very effective, but WOO, kept you on your toes for what might come out next. I mean, some of these things looked just BIZARRE. Scary as all hell, but bizarre. Seems like they couldn’t agree on anything just like our own brass (hearty laugh)”
Woulda been a great weapon for the d day landings
5:10 nice cut
You could make a video about the 105mm/m43 italian anti tank
can you make a video on the ww2 support tank ( bridge layer , mine , repair ect ... )
The series iv commanders cupola was the same ones used on stug 3 and 4s
This is basically the German SU/ISU-152 considering how similar the armor thickness on the casemate, all sides and the gun it uses, any 152mm HE shells hitting a medium tank at that time will definitely give the crew a concussion they've never had in their life before. May I request you to do the StuH 42, a StuG with a 10.5 cm howitzer, and the 15 cm sIG 33 (Sf.) auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II, a Panzer II with a 15cm on it, I'm looking forward for these tanks in your channel in the future.
One thing I'm keen to know, we're the canvas covers on the mantlet just for travel or we're they used in combat,? Sometimes vehicles have them sometimes they dont
That was cool, thank you
in the case of a 15cm projectile, you have a two part ammunition because the shell alone weighs in the vicinity of 90 pounds, or probably something like 40kg at minimum. That is heavy enough to be getting on with, without the issues it can cause to any cartridge it might be sat on, or the difficulties suffered by any loaders who have to handle it. It's just easier to deal with anything over about 100-120mm as a two-part system, it seems. The 22cm shells are twice the weight, making loading, handling, stowage, and so on a massive pain. Which is why you don't see many land based 8" guns these days. But making it an L12 assault gun? Might as well just bring an equal number of towed 15cm artillery tubes, it'll be easier on fuel, keep your guns out of the line of fire, and deliver the same hurt on the enemy. Assault guns fell out of favor for just this reason, Artillery could do the same job and get shot less.
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When i was younger i had a model of this tank
Yes, I have played War Thunder for a few years and yes I have had my tanks destroyed by Brummbars! Anything with a 150mm howitzer is extremely dangerous! Of course, the reload time is also longer for large caliber shells too.
Great info! From the picture at 16:00, it appears to me that the example at Saumur is equipped entirely with all-steel road wheels. Was that configuration ever used in service?
Like I said a bit earlier in the vid some of the early ones did receive all steel. Apparently this didn't last the full production though.
It's 1:00 am here but ConeOfArc is more important than sleep.
Agreed
Day 2 of asking for a cursed by design video on the SiG 15 cm Hetzer.
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The W H A T
@@wolfgang_h3t effectively a HE trashcan launcher
Yay I wuv war funder! Also, the Brummbar is my favorite German tank destroyer, although it is very hard to aim correctly at long distances due to its slow velocity gun. But, an altogether fun tank! Thank you ConeOfArc, Love the content.
Please. Never fucking say "wuv" or funder. Please never again.
@@Yukikaze-uq7wr Thanks for the info, I wuv the comment!!!
14:20 The weight of the vehicle, together with a mountain road orobably resulted in failure of the suspension. A skilled driver could probably reduce rhis, but it would be tiring for him.
It always surprised me that Germany didn't properly fix the Pz4's side armour weakness. Especially with foreknowledge of the Soviet's excellent 14.5mm anti-tank rifles, and prevalent use of anti-tank mines & sachel charges for both defence and attack.
A.K.A that assault gun in Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
Thought those were stuh42 or the Italian interpretation of it
So that's the story behind Company Of Heroes 2's MinisturmTiger. Neat.
Ahh the good old Stupa!
Very cool
It would be nice to see another video about previous 'Sturmpanzers', explaining that they really weren't the Sturmpanzers...
Just a "maybe" for you on the name - in some regions of Germany a "Gronmbare" is slang for a potato ("Gronmbare" is phonetic, how it sounds to English ears, the usual spelling would be Grombeer) whereas "Bear" is pronounced "baar" not "bare" As a sarcastic name for this thing, "potato" kind of fits...
"Division" is not a good translation for Abteilung. In the Wehrmacht (and previously in the Prussian Army) an Abteilung usually was an independent Battalion, assigned on Army level, though generally with Panzers Abteilung was used also for battalions assigned to divisions. The Sturmpanzer-Abteilungen were basically similar to the Tiger battalions in that they were self sufficient in maintenance and supply and did not need to rely on regimental or divisional resources. So while the amount of combat vehicles might be similar, an Abteilung usually had far more support troops assigned to it.
Brummbar means "Grouch" in Germany never heard the angry bear thing? Production & variants Sources conflict as to how many were built, either 306 or 313. There were four series built as follows, all using variants of the Panzer IV chassis. - Series 1: April 1943 60 built by Vienna Arsenal, with 52 using Panzer IV Ausf.G and 8 using rebuilt Ausf.E chassis. - Series 2: December 1943-March 1944 60 built at the Vienna Arsenal using Ausf.J chassis. - Series 3: March-June 1944 Built at Vienna Arsenal. - Series 4: June 1944-March 1945 Built at the Deutsche Eisenwerke on Ausf.J chassis. Because of the weight of the gun, there were problems with the suspension of the Brummbär. With Series 4 a new, lighter gun eased the problem considerably; in addition, a MG 34 was mounted for close defense. Previous models had a MG 34 mounted on the commander’s cupola. The only variant of the Brummbär was a command vehicle, Befehlsturmpanzer IV. It had extra radio capacity. Krupp also built one prototype of a proposed Jagdpanzer IV with a 8.8 cm Pak 43 L/71.
I kinda miss the old cursed by design intro, but this one is more fun. So no complaints here!
The panzer 4 has a lot of models like the sturm panzer the stug 4 and the panzer 4/70 and the the panzer 4/5
From making war thunder memes to getting sponsored by them, ky god how have you grown.
I know this is not to this video but does the t in pz.38t mean it is made in chekaslovakia, since I love watching GUP and I was just wondering if what Yukari akiyama said was true
Díky!
I know this is an older video, but if possible Would you be able to annotate or caption the on screen facts? I refer to the MG34 one as I don't often use KZhead with video running and only captions with audio but happened to catch it today.
I hope you make video about 10.5 king tiger and kw68 gun it use
I'd like see the panzer III hulled 15cm gun thingy known as the StulG 33bb
Would love to see a video for object 279
disclaimer: the brummbär in war thunder is a premium vehicle, but you can still test drive it though...
I remember back in the 90s seeing Aberdeen with all the tanks in outside storage rusting away, nearly brings tears to ones eyes! They had lost most outside mudguards, interiors, tools, lights, and some were open to the weather- home to thousands of bees! They also once had a Luchs ( heavy small scout tank) , and a panzerjager mk 4 that they scrapped in the 1950s for a korean war scrap drive! One panther was cut open to show the insides, and was full of refuse. Awful! Awful! Now, theyve been dispersed worldwide, but the restorations have merely been exterior cosmetics. It seems to me the same as putting the mona lisa, or the david statue out in the open. Sacrilege!
10:15 Looks almost identical to a Space Marine Rhino Transport.
You did a voiced article of the maus on the tank encyclopedia channel. While most of what you were talking about and showing on screen made sense, I found the part about the side armour to be confusing. The diagrams lacked detail, were not labeled and didn't show were the side plates were in relation to the rest of the armour plates and the tracks . Do you know where I could find a more detailed set of diagrams of the armour layout?
The layout isn't that complicated. It had the standard layout with 80mms on the upper and lower side armor and then the skirt which was 100mms (or 105 depending on the source) for a total of 180mms.
It kind of looks like one of those little paper firework tanks.
Was there any ideas for a panther platform heavy gun carrier
‘Abteilung’ means department, division, section in German - However Abteilung was equivalent to a battalion; ie, Schwere Panzer Abteilung-Heavy tank battalion. German word for division is division. Can be confusing. Most battalions of SPG’s were attached to Panzergrenadiere/motorised divisions.