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00:00 Ready to Dock
01:00 Size Comparison
01:31 Blade Performance
06:40 Salt Water Test
07:45 Springs and Action
09:45 Ergos and Problems
14:05 Value
possibly redo the salt water test submerging the whole knife to test the corrosion resistant of the internals, body screws, pivot, etc as well?
just submerging the metal parts won't do as much since the metal needs air to react, better spray everything with salt water and repeat as soon as the water evaporates.
@KZhead-Censorship-Police except being sprayed with saltwater multiple times isn't a real life scenario. Way higher probability of submersion in my opinion.
_In theory, you should be able to take an entire "Can/Pour style salt" containers.. dump the entire thing into boiling water, then submerge the knife into it for 24 hours.. take it out.. let it sit... it will come out flawless! What will get F'd up? That'd be the bronze washers!_ _ANY of the Spyderco's from their salt line will do this, and pass with flying colors!_ _(Yes.. salt equivalent to 1000X what sea salt water is!🤣🤣)_
@@robertm9848 if you fish chances are you have knives and tools that touches saltwater and gets dumped into a toolbox without getting dried. Essentially getting wet and left in the air just like getting sprayed.
I'm more curious about how the axis lock and pivot hold up against salt water than the blade itself. I already know what magnacut is capable of.
my goodness aaron that scuba mask on the thumbnail 😂😂 amazing
Haha!! Glad you liked that. This was a fun one to make, what do you think about the lower Rockwell on the Benchmade MagnaCut
Its definitely an entry level of magnacut, which is still good but as you say could always be better. But I wouldnt sweat it too much. I doubt the end user would notice enough to regret it too much. I would say its a batch issue - probably want to use the same stuff in the pocket knife as in the bendy knife rather tha send two or more lots of steel off for different protocols.
Yaaaay! I’m totally excited to see a great review on these Benchmade offerings!
Right on! Hope you enjoy
Yet again Benchmade hits a home run. Thanks for sharing GT. Take care.
No problem!
You really should watch the CBRx review on the adira. It didn’t pass the rust test so it’s absolutely not rust proof. No homerun at all.
Great addition to their lineup. Love the full size
There’s just no reason for the mini to be $56 more than the Manix 2 LW in magnacut or $40-$50 than the Ritter RSK in magnacut. Especially since both of those knives have a better heat treat and the Ritter has far more premium handle scales. Benchmade has just lost their mind on pricing
Hopefully they come out with some different coloured scales. A black would look really nice or a more natural coloured micarta. It would've also been nice if the heat treated to at least 61-63 if not 62-64 where the properties of magnacut really seem to shine.
Agreed some more colors soon will be great
I doubt you would see a difference
@@Laurarium You're right, most people probably wouldn't notice a practical different in the steel at 62-64 vs 60-62 (me included) However, it still seems a shame not to heat treat it in manner that, according to the inventor of magnacut, optimizes it's properties.
You can dye them with Ritt dye. It's fun and easy, works fine, lasts a long time. Especially black. I may do that to mine.
I agree with testing the internals. Great vid.
Totally agree on more washers. bearings just let manufacturers be lazy with their tolerances and actions
For sure! Hope more companies go back to them
Bearings are great.
G'day Aaron, I'm really pleased to see a focus on a "water sports" knife, yeah there is the Spydy Salt and others, but not that many out there. Having said that, with ya, plenty of handle real estate, (on the full size), good stainless, slicey and bronze washers, .... though there's not really anything that specifically makes it a "sea, or freshwater, faring" job. Some would argue for fully, or partially, serrated ....... though I'm not one of them ; ) However, a marlinspike or fid is a must and the only time I'd advocate for a slot on a knife .... i.e "shackle tool" for when there's no hole in the tightening tab. ...... think, wet and cold hands. Also, for the application, forget the axis lock altogether, go with a backlock IMO. Re; hardness, bottom line, .... I'm quite happy to sharpen more .... rather than have any risk of chipping ; ) Cheers Duke.
I think that maybe the hardness is associated with a heat treatment that is optimized to give the steel a higher resistance to corrosion. However, I trust Soyderco's meticulousness (and their prices), that's why I bought a PM2 salt with Magnacut! As for the Magnacut, I notice that with very sharp edges (17 degrees), despite its toughness, the edge bends easily... at least on the PM2 and the Deka.
Aaron, very thoughtful of you to release this video to coincide with the online retailers releasing the actual knives. I was very curious about both of these knives. I was unaware that the larger one is nearly the same size as the the larger Adamas folder. ... I've had a bias against grivory and frn used as scales in the past. I bought a Benchmade Redoubt primarily to checkout CPM-D2. The grivory scales were just covered with a plethora of tiny hotspots. Generous use of emeryboards, intended for fingernails transformed the Redoubt into a useable, backup hunting knife. So I've learned to tolerate grivory. ... I also snagged several Spydercos with blue FRN on a great, unexpected sale, last summer and found I rather like it as a utilitarian handle scale. ... Great video Aaron, thanks. There's probably one of those larger folding knives in my future - as well as the 7" fillet model.
Looks interesting ... Like the full size . Good review , thanks for sharing !!
They look cool tbh
They look good !
Thanks for this Aaron. I have a couple of Spyderco Magnacut knives, which I believe are hardened to aabout 62. I've not used them hard, just EDC, but I will note that I have not had to so much as strop in a month. But the real beauty for me, in my always hot, always humid environment, is the stain resistance - wipe and go.
I think I would really enjoy those. I live in a super humid place, and in the summer I often am near water. I think that one of those would be a perfect fit for my summer rotation.
I pre ordered the Mini. Can't wait until it comes in! Great review
Thanks for watching, hope to fits your hand well.
@@gideonstactical I've got a thicker hand so your review made me a little nervous 😂. But I'm sure it'll be fine for me. I hope... Haha
I preordered mine last week, just started the video hopefully I won't regret my purchase
I used to think it made sense for magnacut to be 60-62 for fixed blades. Ans I agree it makes sense for the filled knife. But after seeing the performance of 65hrc magnacut from UG tools I can't help but want something closer to the 62.5 inflection point. 62-63 feels ideal for me. I think only spyderco and Hogue are getting there atm.
Ya, I think unless it’s a huge knife these 62-64 is my preferred MagnaCut rockwell
Waiting for this knive videos . maybe I want one 🤔
Good points and review as usual sir. I think the new line is a good idea, with a twist. It demonstrated to consumers and other manufacturers what materials make a good water knife. I give Benchmade a hard time and no money, but I do like Magnacut so my money is up for grabs for the competition. I wear XL to XXL gloves, so no bird beaks for me either. Tops is bad about that too. I swear no one at Tops has a man sized hand
Owned a Benchmade 940 and EDC’d for a few years. Took it to the beach and spent a week or so in and out of the surf. A week later, the omega spring broke. Benchmade replaced it but for salt water use, I would be wary of their crossbar folders in that environment.
A lot like the most underrated Benchmade the turret.
I appreciate you going into handle construction
$325 in Canadian dollars for the full sized right now.. In comparison, the new Manix LW Salt is $100 cheaper. In that $300+ price range, they running into brands like Lion Steel and GiantMouse.. Brands that seem to offer far more value for the price tag. Kershaw even offers the Blur in Magnacut, and they're not charging an ultra premium for the steel. Benchmade is starting to want ZT prices for SOG products (Not a dig at SOG. Ive enjoyed their stuff since the rebranding. Its just making a point). It's truly insane
Good comparison there, ZT prices for SOG products, great call.
Im getting the fixed blade one. Need it for Hawaii fishing.
Nice!!
Never had an Omega spring break & I’ve had dozens of BM knives with this lock.
I’ve had one break before but only once so nonetheless it is possible and no I don’t abuse my tools there was no reason it should’ve broken
Currently own 18 Benchmade knives. I've been carrying the "Freak" in M-4 recently. Never had an Omega spring break on me either. I know it can happen, but, in roughly a decade it hasn't happened to me.
It happened to me with a mini Griptilian after two years of using it awhile back.
I recently purchased the undercurrent, and I LOVE this knife. It’s kinda like a bushcrafter but for the sea. Wish there was instructions on how they tend for us to wrap/carry with its sheath. W knife review and would love to see you do a review on the undercurrent. ❤ 💪🏾
Yep looks good like the color! Can’t afford it….but a guy can dream. Would always go for the full size don’t like small knives. Thanks again Aaron. God bless!
I am with you minis rarely work for me!
Can’t wait for your white river cub review!!! Loving the content bro! Thanks again! Can’t wait for all the summer stuff!
No problem! Thank you as always video coming Sunday!
@@gideonstacticalAnd if you want to sell that cub😏😉
Relating to corrosion on your steel: you can always sponge on a little CLR house cleaning product for a minute or so then brush off with brass wire / steel wool, rinse with warm water, dry off with towel and use some mineral oil with a cheese cloth to keep your steel in working condition
I'm glad to see reasonably priced solid Benchmade designs. Who wasn't expecting $300 and $320 for the prices? I've been saying it since the fad began, mini= bad. With the exception of the Buck 112, it doesn't work.
Magnacut is a very good steel, the best all-round steel that is currently available. 62 HRC should be the minimum hardness for Magnacut, below 62 hrc no significant toughness is achieved. Magnacut reaches the most balanced properties at 63-64 hrc and the maximum hardness is so much I known at 65.5 hrc. I like Magnacut and thanks to the relatively high corrosion resistance, you hardly have to think about the application. However, there are better alternatives for sea water use, such as Terravantium, which is a super alloy and no steel. Personally I tend more to tool steels like: A2, Sleipner, 3V, 4V, Vanadis 4 Extra, Cruwear, M4, K490, K390, 10V, 15V, etc. My favorite steel is currently K390 at 64-65 hrc.
IF they didn't change the material and make the axis lock spring out of titanium then its all for naught that little spring will rust out asap with some salt water exposure
Not these but there are a couple Benchmades im looking to acquire. Excellent review, sir!
Thank!!
The difference in toughness from 60-62 hrc vs 61-63 appears to be negligible. I’d like to heard their rationale. I don’t see a good reason….. it doesn’t really seem to affect corrosion resistance like some other steels. 🤷🏼♂️
I live around the water and am interested. My favorite color is blue, but I wonder about this color on these knives. Also the price is pretty high
Benchmades always come at a premium, but I am interested in the Intersect. I have a weakness for compact pocket fixed blades.
60-62 Rch seems to be a bit of a family tradition at Benchmade. From the ATS-34 CQC7 and AFCK onward through 154CM, D2, M2, you name it. The reason expressed was always for edge toughness. They hated anyone going on forums, groups, god forbid a knife magazine and say the edges chip. I get it. I was always happy with the performance of Benchmade ATS-34 and 154CM. Whether that is still a thing with Magnacut, I couldn't say. BTW, just FYI, the back spacer is aluminum. Looking forward to trying this one. I really love the Taggedout with its thin scalpel blade.
I wish they would bring ATS-34 back.
Yea gonna stick with benchmades neighbors over at kershaw, especially now that you can get the Link from kershaw in magnacut and kershaw is doing a higher HRC range now.
Hi I got the small size of these, and I love the way it feels. But I do love most Benchmade knives. Just something about how they feel and operate.
A small quibble: most divers don't use oxygen. It's toxic below 20-25 feet. If used in a closed circuit you could stay under for a lot longer than one hour.
Lion steel m390 that’s where it’s at!
Ok, this offering from Benchmade seems like a nice product line extension, and the pricing actually does not seem to be outrageous (this time). I can see the value justified in some ways. Possibly coming back down to earth a little, that's good.
I've just recently bought the full size Adamas. (thanks in part to your knife review on it.-thank you) Love the knife but one thing that I wish most all knife companies these would either ease up on or completely do away with is JIMPING! The Adamas is for sure one of them. Darn jimping creates hot spots on the hands that shouldn't be there! The only company that I know that does jimping right is Spyderco. Sadly, I see the Adria has that jimping like the Adamas does. "Dear Benchmade...you don't need all that aggressive jimping!!
Would rather have the white river backpacker in magnacut. $100 cheaper and a better design for everyday or water work. They do a great heat treat at 63-64HRC
Are you familiar with Tekto knives? I was going to order one with a "coated" D2 with hardness of 60-62. I assume it's going to be pretty tough?
I have heard of them, a little interested, but they are made in China
Need to measure my finger span! Best part is the washers! Thanks for the vid, really good.
Glad it was helpful!
First off, I admit I'm weird. Ive never been impressed by Benchmade, mainly because of their prices (Im a sub $75 guy) but these knives i like! The blade shape, the steel, even the handle all are really appealing!
For use around the water on folders I still like LC200n or Vanax. On outdoor fixed blades I like Magnacut with a high RC.and other steels as well. Personal preference I guess. See ya. PS.I like the Magnacut RC on CRK folding knives.
HRC, yes a definitive and arguementative threshold!! I don't understand the "Folder" craze! I pocket carry the strongest foldind knife in the World! A Balisong. Rockwell should be less for smaller knives for ease of sharpening as they will be used more often(much more often), so 56-58. Larger blades(used much less often) should be 58-62 as you will almost never have to re-sharpen them. Rust is just a surface blemish, so if you can't cope, use Obsidian!😉
Toughness is quite important for working knives probably getting a bit of abuse. Would the higher HRC be harder to sharpen? Most people using these won’t be knife nuts, just something that works ( cutting gritty old ropes, forgotten in a buoyancy aid or fishing tackle box etc) and easily maintained.
Wouldn't those bronze washers corrode much faster in salt water? Spyderco uses teflon washers in their Salt series of knives. Could be wrong I'm no expert on this.
Gpks soul out those knives in 24 hours the folders. 🤙😁
Thanks for sharing 👍. I would have to handle these blades in person. You take care Aaron. 🇺🇲🔪🌲🔥
I have 7 pairs of the apex pants 😂😂😂. First I’ve heard of anyone else with them. 2 shades of brown, grey, and green with a black pair. My everything pants from backpacking in backcountry to putting on a collared shirt to church. Holds 4 30rd mags or 8 packages of Mambas 😂😎🤙
My reaction disappeared strange.. But CBRx on KZhead did a realistic real time rust proof test and the adira failed. The Spyderco magnacut salt version survived the test with no rust whatsoever. So think twice on who you wanna spend your money. 💰 I would recommend the Spyderco manix 2 salt, at least you know the lock wil hold and the blade won’t ever rust. Cheers.
Benchmade is crushing it. Everyone is sick of the “bUtTeUr fLy tAX” comments. BM 100% USA made, designs and mfg. the market is saturated with Chinese garbage. Big respect to the De Asis’ for holding their morals, work ethic and commitment to the USA.
God damn! What a great review! Love your insight and energy. Your my new favorite channel. Thank you! Subscribed! I just got the full size Adira. So far, I absolutely love this knife. I cannot put it down. Do you do anything to loosen the action, or it's just a case of breaking it in? Lastly, I love the name "Adira" It's meaning "strong, noble, powerful," or "great, mighty, or powerful".
I don’t think they will have a chance when Spyderco launches their new Salt line in MagnaCut. Most of them will be under $250. I’ll go to the Salt Stretch 2 XL.
Yes stretch 2
Just got my Spyderco PM3 in Magnacut. Love it.
@@KnifeFanatic nice!
I preordered the Native Chief Salt in magnacut for about $180. Waiting impatiently 😕
@@imgadgetmanjim yeah that’s the worst part of ordering, the wait.
The filet knives maybe make sense...
Is there a chance you will be reviewing the Benchmade Intersect and Undercurrent?
Nice blades but until Benchmade comes to their senses on their pricing, I won't touch them. I can get an almost new CRK or a new ZT, Microtech, or Heretic for the price of some of BM's stuff or I could get a custom like my RMOR Knives Babayaga (64 HRC Magnacut) for the price of their Gold Class. Also, running their Magnacut soft for "toughness" is bull. My RMOR Knives Babayaga is at 64 HRC and thinner stock than those two and I guarantee I could break the latch of a car door without hurting the knife. Magnacut is crazy tough even at really high HRC
Ive asked alot of people and nobody ever has an answer...when people say "I wish..." who are they wishing to? Those look neat but wouldnt be for me unless it was given or picked up at a really good deal, just not something I would buy but I do like that it has magnacut.
It’s a good question. I have to think on that.
@gideonstactical right but it is worth thinking about lol even tho it's not knife related, if you believe your words have power and are a believer in the lord (which I know you are and that's why I asked this question lol) this could really matter cuz we're not told to wish to God we're told to pray to him. So if you're not talking to God when making such a wish there is only one other entity one could be talking to, not targeting you or anything like that lol I just wanted your opinion cuz ive been thinking about this for a while now.
Billion knives out there that perform just as well that don’t cost $200.
Great, but benchmade isn't available in Australia. All sold out.
Look the knife is cool but it’s only for fishermen? Why not a set for coast guard and navy personnel?
The fishcrafter is my favorite out of this bunch though it seems a little pricey and overdone for a fishing knife the rest of the water designs from Benchmade aren’t really my style.
So Benchmade just rebooted/tweeked the 980 from a few years ago.
Very different from the 980. 980 has full stainless liners, G10 scales, generally heavier, thicker construction, different handle profile. Thanks for reminding me of the Turret, though. Cool knife.
@@monsterslayer4317 I have both, they are not very different.
This is another weird markets push. They’re really pushing the corrosion resistance angle of Magnacut which was never a thing it was especially made for. They’re going to be hard pressed to beat Spyderco H1 or H2 steel. Weird flex…
Spyderco has added Magnacut to their Salt line knives so you can get H1/2, LC200N, Magnacut.
@@scottburns5242 H1 is discontinued and there Z-Finit as the non proprietary version I know all these companies a getting into Magnacut. It’s just I haven’t know to be compare to H2. It’s just an odd angle to lean into. It’s robust performance is more than enough
The best non rust steel is the h2 spyderco steel
FYI I asked BM about the springs (and whether the internal hardware is corrosion resistant) and they responded: “The internal components of the Adiras are all stainless, including the springs. The AXIS lock is the original design, but we made sure the springs and all other metal components would hold up.”
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In my opinion, the Griptilian still is the best Benchmade.
FIRST i thought you were gonna throw it in a bucket of water to see if it floats hahahaha for reals though would it? Benchmade totally could do it. It's one reason to stay away from mini versions of knives because they just dont fit the hands right, knife seems really solid and its MagnaCut so its a win in my book.
I would be pretty concerned about how well those springs handle salt water. They are not likely to be cleaned, as I doubt any divers would take the knife apart and clean the internals after every use. Getting those springs wet frequently and not properly cleaned and/or oiled would, I think, inevitably result in corrosion and frequent breaking. Besides that issue, there's also just nothing about these that interests me beyond the big Magnacut blade; but they ran it soft so that kinda kills that for me, too. I appreciate the review, though!
Good news is nobody is ever going to use these knives in any water for any reason ever.
@@adamimberti6948 I take my Spyderco salt 2 in LC200n in the water all the time. It is an amazing water knife. I wouldn’t replace it with the Benchmade Adria for that purpose.
@DamionJR4923 Yeah, that's an actual knife that is actually designed for its intended purpose. These are essentially just knives in magnacut with blue handles and the word water attached.
@@adamimberti6948not to mention I’d want a saltwater test on Benchmade’s hardware before ever considering it a water knife. Spyderco Salt knives have the hardware designed for saltwater too and are proven to hold up to the craziest conditions for the H1/2 and LC200N models.
When I first saw a pic of these, I was expecting them to all be 370+
HRC is too low for a Magnacut folding knife. Ive seen fixed blades in Magnacut with much higher HRC that work wonderfully. Companies keep it low to save money.
i'm shocked at the price i assumed they gonna be $600 each
Ya surprising value
Just because it is a Benchmade does not justify their price point on their knives. It bugs me just as much as Harley Davidson bugs me with their pricing on their bikes. The spring on my mini barrage malfunctioned a few years ago and it struck a nerve with me. I’m completely okay black listing a brand for whatever reason. Benchmade made that list. I’m not cheap as I have a few dozen folders above the $350 mark. The full size Adira looks pretty interesting. I want to hold one in hand. I’m okay with $250. Maybe it’s time I get over my grudge.
Benchmade makes really good knives, and then prices them $50-$100 over where they should be.
yeah i don't go with benchmade for a "water proof knife", i bet the screws, clip and especially the springs are still regular stainless steel and will rust and fail quickly. if it was a spyderco i'd knew that they'd check every detail and nail the heat treatment of the magnacut for optimal rust resistance, but this is benchmade, they have messed up one thing or another for sure.
Sink… saw them at blade show and was so disappointed
I like it more than my Griptilian but less than my Adamas
I like the smaller one.
BM. No thanks to Tiffany inspired cutlery
I guess they don't actually want to sell knives.
Benchmade typically uses a lower Rockwell to give their blades greater toughness.
Watched another channel where they performed a much more telling corrosion test and the Benchmade failed and did in fact rust . On the blade and even worse on the pocket clip which is not corrosion resistant at all. This while the Spyderco Salt flew through the same test without a issue.I really wanted to like this knife but that is not gonna happen. Marketed as a corrosion proof knife it is a failure.
Good to know!
I don't think it makes sense to use a crossbar lock in a salt knife...the internals will still rust while the blade will not.
That is definitely possible.
Honestly I see almost zero difference in ANY high end blade steels in edge retention. They all get dull/chipped/rolled within a week or so with my use. Edge retention is literally a myth and sales tactic. Unless you’re just cutting cardboard and paper with zero obstructions on a perfect surface.
Nah, not for me. that’s basically a reshaped Griptillian with not optimal Magnacut for an extra $100.
A pale imitation of Spyderco’s Salt Line.
I would trust spydercos salts over these
the handle material/price combo just kills BM for me ... its a weird bias i know with no basis other than preference however 2 and a half bills for magnacut/frn basically vs 1 and two thirds/three quarters bills for magnacut/frn just cause one has a butterfly instead of a arachnid ... cant justify it
They look pretty cool. I'm curious why they went with blue handles for a knife you'd potentially use underwater. Must be a reason, but it escapes me. I kinda hope they make an 'EDC' version like they did with the Taggedout. Different scale options and/or blade steel. Thanks for the look at these Aaron! 😎👍
That is totally true
The blue is to signify water 💧 im guessing, I think that's why they went with that color. I like it because if you drop its easy to find unless it's in a lake or ocean lol. I'm definitely getting the full size. I wanted the full size adamas, but this one is slicier, much lighter, and still strong enough.
@@bryand2978 yeah, the blue makes sense since it's a water line, but like you said if you drop it in a lake/ocean...bye bye knife lol.
They release a colour that doesn't make sense first and when they've sold as many of them as they can they'll start releasing colours people want and colours that make sense for water use. And they'll probably charge a premium for it. It's marketing 101.
I’m a little fidgety with my knives and my omega spring broke.. unfortunate for a $200 knife but once you learn how to replace them it’s not too bad. As far as magnacut I’ve had great experiences with it! I wish a company like mora would pick it up!
Sorry to hear that your springs broke. But agreed with Benchmade’s warranty not that hard to replace. Glad to hear you’re enjoying MagnaCut as much as I am.
I love mora products, , have a mora or martinni on my hip. With that said, what makes mlra great is nit just the build and style, but the price and knowledge it is tough as hell, but if it breaks, who cares , but another one. Tye second magna cut comes into play, it's nit the same anymore and everything will have to change with it. They'd have to seriously upgrade the sheath, the sharpening system that works so well, would have to change, it just isn't I'm the company's future with the steel at that price point. I could see Maybe martinni using it. They basicly make a fancier version of mora knives anyway lol. Maybe it is the other way around , the martinni knife has been out far longer , but who cares, they might, you shoukd check, they might already have some, and they are as fair as you'll get for that quality I'm price, they charge maybe 20 percent higher then mkra for identical blades with leather sheaths, nicer handles and slightly better steel, nit as east to replace , but I know they have a great selection, I just never spend more then 5o bucks on a knife, I destroy them really fast working and playing, my knife is used nonstop , I work and play in the mouatins, no matter how much I spend, 30 bucks or 200, it's gonna break , the 200 one may last an extra month, just isn't worth it to me.
I hate Benchmades springs, i've had half a dozen break on me
Yikes!
I have never had one break in years of use. Guess I am lucky.
No thanks.... IL keep my Spyderco Manix 2 & Para 2 SALTS !!!!??
The new benchmade narwhal.
Hahah!!!!
how well does the spring in the axis lock resist rust ? how about the pivot ? I mean I like both knives , but I bet the spring will rust quick in saltwater !