How much bang, or speed in this case, can you get for your buck? Ollie takes Phil, GCN's very own average man, to test out three bikes of varying prices. Phil completes a 10km time trial on each bike, to see how much faster expensive superbikes are compared to an entry-level, budget road bike.
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00:39 Entry-level road bike
01:35 Entry-level bike test
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06:50 TT trial bike test
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Good but I wonder what the results would have looked like if each ride was done on a different day so he was fresh for each 10K go.
@@arthurkirk2100 He was producing 200 watts each time, so he wasn't tired before his 3 laps.
I think I’ll stick with my aluminium endurance bike and save myself $10k. That money will better serve me if I invest it towards retirement, because no matter how much a bike costs, you can’t outride your bills!
@@TheMachoGabacho I agree ... 10k on a depreciating asset is a bad decision, unless you have a lot of money.
Great vid and shows money can buy a little, but there is limits, protect Phil / boardman great upgrade idea
Make the Boardman faster than the Orbea on the cheap? That's a bold plan. I'd like to see it in action.
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Changing the tyres will get you 90% of the time savings already, as already tested, by GCN too
Also consider that Phil was wearing a long sleeve jersey on the Boardman and a short sleeve more aero one on the Orbea. That's probably half the speed difference already. If you have him wear an aero helmet, a short aero sleeve jersey (or aero bra underneath) and aero socks he's probably gonna get there without spending a single pound on the bike.
And not putting a dura ace on from the start...
Definitely a great idea.
Nice one, Phil. You've convinced me that I'll be better off spending my $15,000 on beer instead of a new bike. 😀
Best answer ever
faster recovery w/ carbs and electrolytes!
beer will hurt your health cycling will only hurt your wallet
You've got £15,000 to spend on piss water? Now that is a problem.
@@samuelyeung03 not in moderation, also not as much as 50% of food on store shelves, calm down
"I've literally had heavier toilet visits than this one." --Phil 😂😂😂😂😂
Fair play to Phil, first time on the TT bike with such a narrow elbow pads placement it will be sketchy no matter what. TT bike is a big compromise for the speed.
Thanks!! It was an experience 😂
@@phillipbailey7080hour record next?
😂
@@phillipbailey7080what were you more afraid of? Injuring yourself or trashing a 15k TT bike? 😂
my first ride in aerobars felt totally unusable. couple years later and I loved it, could tear up high speed corners and felt comfortable and wonderful. just takes time and tweaking.
Phil, great job getting onto the aero bars on camera, for the first time ever, and while on a public road!
Cheers!! Fun and terrifying at the same time
100% that looks so sketchy, Phil did so well. Be more like Phil
Great video - basically you can buy quite a bit of speed. Kudos to Phil - it’s a great benchmark to have a genuine normal cyclist doing these tests as it shows what is applicable to the typical weekend cyclist.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video. What else would you like to see us make?
I think adding in a £3k bike - like something from the Ribble range with good tyres with a normal cyclist would be interesting. Also the impact of tyre size with a more “full weight” cyclist would be a good comparison. The hypothesis being heavier riders benefit more from wider tyres.
@@romeandcurry6915 I can help you there. I am your average cyclist, tipping the scales at over 100kg who now has that £3k Ribble bike. I went from a Triban RC120 to a Ribble R872 105 Di2, six times the price. Is the bike six times better or faster no, is it smoother and more refined, yes Do I enjoy cycling 6 times more, no, it is just a nicer expeience now. Switching from the stock tyres on the Triban to Continetal GP5000's with latex inner tubes changed the ride quality and maybe saved a few seconds. I also run them on my Ribble too a cost effective uprage. We need more of these videos aimed at people like me, you don't need a £3000 bike let alone a £10,000 bike to enjoy cycling, you also don't need to be the weight of Tour De France rider to enjoy getting out on a bike. Cycling needs to embrace more people ike "us" and shift away from a sport that promotes an unhealthy body image and ridiculous prices only attainable by a tiny percentage of people in take part inthe sport. GCN there is a huge audience for this typre of content, more please!
I'd like to see a tire width effect video, generally, all the way up to 4.8 fat bike... or whatever the largest is for a road style tread. the tread is the difficult part to work around. the closest I've found is a 26 × 4 inch marketed to ebikes on Amazon by a huge number of sellers that all seem to be selling that same tire with their own branding (based on the photo) but it's really functionally closer to a gravel tire with regards to rolling resistance, as tires go they're cheaper and heavier with poor sidewall support so I had to write it at exactly the recommended pressure. but even so, significantly less rolling resistance than the nobbies for road riding. like if you take a fat bike fork and put it on that time trial bike, with that 4 inch tire (or a bigger, slicker, one if you can find it) how does it affect rolling resistance and aerodynamics?
How can you know? There is no power data.
I was sceptical coming into this video, but it was fantastic. I realized that I have the EXACT bike I need for my current level
Awesome! Glad we could help 🙌 what bike have you got?
Maybe Phil is a beginner, but 200 watts for an hour total without even being out of breath is no average man.
Actually it’s bang on average according to statistics
@@Elhesh maybe for cyclists or people with power meters, but it definitely takes effort to work up to 200 watts
An averagely good time trialist can crank out 250 watts an hour no problem. Pro riders average about 6 watts per kilogram, and amateur riders average about 3 watts per kg. For recreational riders it goes down to about 2 watts per kg. Which is to say 200 watts is pretty good for a beginner.
@@ElSantoLuchador I agree with this. Also Andrew Feather with 7 w/kg and an "amateur" title
I for one would like to see more content about regular bikes for regular people. I'm 73 years old and have over 37,000 miles on my main bike that I bought in 2005 (I have 3 bikes, 2 being folding bikes for specific purposes). It would be nice to see what bikes would be great bikes for just plain, simple fun rides which are the rides I like the best. Ones that get you out there getting space and enjoying your time outdoors.
As a former semi-pro rider if I were you I wouldn't worry too much about top-end bikes. Not for the type of riding you want to do. There are a million variables but on a surface reading I would recommend a decent quality gravel bike or what we used to call a cyclocross bike. You're going to want to try before you buy because ergonomics will absolutely matter. What works for someone else in your situation might not translate.
That Boardman was a great deal!
Better spec bike from Decathlon
Main issue seems to be quality control. Quite a few videos on KZhead highlighting problems with them. Personally, id be wary
@@MTBScotlandto be fair the décathlon Road bikes are more expensive.
Phil is a great “average man”. Clearly experiencing something new but not the fool 😏. 👍🏻for Phil. Now to play with the Boardman
Loved this, more Phil on GCN! 🙌🏼
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Great idea to upgrade the Boardman. Looking forward to that one. 🇮🇪
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Oh my goodness, my heart literally skipped two beats when he came off the aero bars. That was wild.
Same here. It brought back memories of my first time using them, and I even thought he might swerve into the camera car. Mad trust to let a beginner on that bike hahaha.
How do you think Phil felt? 😂
@@gcntech let's just say, I can see why there wasn't any more footage of him riding on the aerobars 🤣 Fair play though, he did an amazing job holding on.
Would love to see the Boardy up specc-ed three ways: a) On the cheap. Penny pinching, most bang for buck, COMMON(!!) 2nd hand specials. 2) Off the shelf. but still sane purchases. iii) All out lunacy. Full KZheadr connections abuse.
We also need to throw in a closed course for Phil's sake. Maybe get his some tri-bar coaching time.
Absolute belter of a video this..Very relatable and major kudos to Phil for doing pretty much 30km in an hour on bikes he's never ridden. "I've had heavier toilet visits than this bike" is a T-Shirt in the making surely..More Phil.! More Phil!..
Good to have Phil back!
Chapeau to Phil for taking part in this test. It's really interesting to see what difference equipment choice can make, but it really needed comparing to what being fitter can do. And Phil's experience on the ski bars are on point. It takes practice to get in and out, and get used to riding whilst using them. I run them on an aero road bike for time trials so it's not as twitchy, and it serves as a normal summer bike when not racing. And as a summer bike it is nice to har but I have the previous iteration Boardman alloy bike set up for the winter and it is a brilliant bike for the money. It's what I started riding with and is still great fun to ride after 15,000 miles
One of the better videos lately 😂 phil is an absolute gem
Averaging 30km and 200 watts and chatting - he’s not too shabby …. Is he the same ‘beginner’ runner on Global Triathlon Network that was doing 24 minute 5kms ?? …. He looks beginner - but he’s pumping an engine in there
He seems pretty tall, that helps with power :) but yeah, 200 watts is not "beginner" power for most people
No way he did 24 mins for 5k. Gtn had a begginner lady who did such times
@@colecoleman1499 kzhead.info/sun/rK6eqbeFiYGNmYk/bejne.htmlfeature=shared
@@colecoleman1499 No - you are correct - he did a 22:30 (apparently)
Wish I could do 200 watts full stop!
Great video. I'm definitely looking forward to more videos on upgrading the Boardman.
We can't wait to get spannering
Great video, Phil. Interesting to see the improvement in the orbea v the cost. Food for thought when I upgrade from my entry level Triban 520
Great video. You could have been describing me in terms of bike purchases. Giant OCR with Sora, then TCR with 105, and finally a carbon Cannondale Synapse also with 105. I wouldn’t get the value of something more expensive but its nice to hire one every now and again. Phil’s a good sport. Please do the upgrade video.
Awesome job phil! You killed it! Definately upgrade the entry level bike
Deffo want to see the upgrade Boardman vid. I bought my first road bike from previous hybrid and it was the Boardman SLR carbon. Best buy of kit and fit the price and features, a bargain. Also well played for having a go on the bars. Balls of steel that man
Good on Phil for riding. Great video. Looking for ward to see how you improve the entry level bike, for i too have an entry level, Cannondale Synapse Sora.
Would love to see the upgrade... And well done Phil, what a legend!
That’s amazing! Just shows you what can be done with entry level stuff. I’d love to see what a difference the upgrades make and more to the point, how much it would cost to do it. Well done, really interesting test.
Thanks for the great video and experiment! So, basically, for additional 9.5k pounds you get 10% increase in efficiency/speed. Which is great if you're competitive, but really shows that for begginers and even many amateurs/weekend-warriors it doesn't make much sense to spend absurd amount of money of somewhat faster bikes. All that matters is that you buy a bike nice enough that you want to ride it and can afford, and enjoy it. And great job, Phil! It's great a see a more representative person trying the tech out!
Totally. When I see fellow riders smashing it on the bike it's not because of what they ride, its their engine! I know folks riding on older, 'slower' bikes, who always overtake everyone else riding the latest bling. One caveat though, they've been training well for years and still do. The issue is a top end bike is much better at showing off and getting head turns, than the work needed to turn on the pedals.
Admittedly, there are far more ‘extras’ than merely the extra speed.
@@Penalist Yes, brakes/tire clearance being one of those.
Not to mention having a bike you can afford to maintain…
We agree! The most important thing is just loving your bike, that will make you ride better 🙌 Marginal gains are super interesting and we love to get nerdy over them but for most people your rides should be measured by smiles not miles 👌
Loved it, yes do the upgrades and try again!
Well done, Phil. It is great to see GCN listening to the viewers, focusing on cheaper alternatives as many of us can not afford a £1,000 or even £2,000 bike due to loss of employment/cost of living. Great work GCN. I personally thank you.
Well said 👏
Get on your bike - Norman Tebbit
Thanks Tony! We're always open to ideas - we make content for you guys, so always want to make videos you'll love! Watch this space for more entry level content 🙌
there will be huge diminishing returns on the amount spent, reckon you can get 99% of the performance for half the cost on the expensive bikes
Great vid aero Oly, always love you science approach to bikes, well done Phil, solid numbers and gives perspective, you need to train to get the best out of TT / Tri bike position, reminds me how far I have come to hold the position for half iron man racing 😁
What are your training tips for someone looking to put some time into the TT bike?
#feelgood, informative and entertaining . well done Ollie, Philip and crew
Great video, definitely go for a follow up with the upgraded Bordman.
Great video. Well done, Phil. Would love to see an upgrade on the boardman 😊
LOVED this video! And Phil is awesome! :D Yes, please upgrade the Boardman to the max!!😁
We love Phil! 🙌 We'll see what we can do - where would you start?
Phil is amazing! Keep it up!
Well done Phil, great video.
What an effort and triumph Phil! I cannot imagine myself riding that TT bike, it looks so scary. Nice job man.
Thank you so much for the insight. It is an eye opener.
Good video I like. Look forward to seeing the next.
Well done to Phil 💪 For me as much as I love cycling all cycling industry is a scam. Bicycle cost 10k and you can get great motorcycle with aluminium frame , adjustable suspension , cornering abs , traction control , riding modes, tft display, quickshiter , forged wheels etc. for that kind of money. There is so many components and development done that everything will work together as a package. I know there is research done with bicycles but how the name of god bicycle made from carbon can cost 10k. I can imagine till people will pay that price they will cost that much.
The best tip I've ever gotten from GCN is to upgrade my tires. Went from mid tier Schwalbe's to top tier Pirelli's and it's a massive difference. I've got a 8.5kg entry level bike and it made a massive difference. It was also nice I got those Pirelli's at a good price 👌
Great video, and compliments to the ‘average man’ maintaining 200W over 3x 20min segments while talking conversationally!
Well yes. Pls do speed/comfort per money upgrade video.
Nerdy deep dive... we don't mind if we do 😉
Definitely want to see the followup making the Boardman faster with upgrades.
Jeepers. That confirmed it - you're never getting me anywhere near Tri-bars and a TT bike! Full credit to Phil for not stacking it, I'm pretty sure I'd have been in the hedge within the first half kilometre!
Look on the bright side. When your neck starts hurting on the TT bike. It makes you forget about the pain in your legs.
And the pain in your wallet!
Good job Phil! I'd be very interested in a video regarding the opgrading of the Boardman
Would love to see the boardman upgraded. I would also like to see the Eurobike have it's wear parts upgraded with moderate cost parts to see what differences those make.
Thumps up for phil
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Seriously great job, Phil! Just switching between bikes you’re not familiar with is nerve-wracking-never mind all the cameras on you while you’re riding them. LoL.
Phil, you are legend, first time on tt bars and you just sent it - love it!! I want to see if upgraded Boardman can do better then stock one, of course it can, but how much for reasonable price it is what I am looking for :)
Great video...kudos to Phil
Yup. I’ve got one of those boardmans. Love to see it upgraded.
I like the boardman. Looking forward to the video where you will mod it.
450 pounds for a 9,5kg bike???!!! That IS as bargain!
Great video, very interesting comparison’s there regarding there the type of rider using them 👏🏻👏🏻😍!! Also be cool to see a slightly better rider like Ollie on all 3 of them too 🤔😜 also would like to see bog standard bike upgraded 👍🏻
Slightly better?
Great job Phil. Thanks man for doing this for science 🎉
Nice one Phil. I've always wanted to have a go on a TT but now I'm not so sure! Would love to see what Ollie has planned for the Boardman.
Well done Phil. An upgrade vid would be great to see:)
More power to you Phil we'll done. True everyman test.
This was awesome! More Phil on the channel please!!!
Is this one of your fake accounts, Phil? 😉
Best film for a good while , loved it and look forward to the boardman follow ups , amazing value bike
Have you got your notifications on? You won't miss it then 😉
Yes that next video you mentioned at the end is the 1 I've been waiting for.
You might not have to wait too much longer 😎
The Boardman is beautiful! My favorite of the three for the looks alone.
That's super interesting! What do you love about it?
Phil represents me, please do more videos like this!
If he represents you..you should spend more time cycling and less time watching overweight people cycle so you can feel "represented"😅
Brave man, going for the TT bars! 👏💪
Love the idea of this video. About time!
thanks, what would you like us to do next?
I'm more of it's the rider that makes the bike mentality. I think this was a great video for us with a limited budget I Would love to see Phil ride the updated Boardman. Keep the great vids coming guys.
More Phil please ! 👍👍👍👍
I'd like to see a video where you upgrade the Boardman. Good job on the tri bars Phil. I imagine it's quite tricky when you first start using them.
Go gor it guys, bike upgrades are always interesting
Well done, Phil! Would definitely want to see that upgrade,Ollie.
Good to see GCN are taking on board the comments about featuring more budget bikes, it'll be interesting to see how much money in terms of upgrades it takes to get the Boardman on par with the Orbea. Switching to latex inners or going tubeless would be one option, don't know if that Boardman is tubeless ready though.
Clearly I am a below-average man, how Phil reacted to trying the aero bars on the TT bike is how I feel riding in the drops on a road bike...
Yes that's the video I want to see. Thank you.
You should give him the Orbea. He earned it.
Super Video. Would really love to see make the cheap bike faster. I think little wider tires like 28 or 33mm will help a lot.
mann olleeeee is so funny. well played for his humor! more powers to you guys!!!
enjoyed this..looking forward to seeing Phil on the upgrade.
wow, he can still chat comfortably while riding
Maybe he wasn't going hard enough 👀
When I got my TT bike, it was January in Michigan. Riding outside was not in the cards. So I put it onto the trainer for all my indoor rides until it was warm enough to go outside. It felt a little odd for about 2 minutes now that I had to control where the bike was going, but all the practice in the position really paid off. I can pretty easily get 2-2.5 mph of extra speed on the TT bike for the same power output, and my aerodynamic Madone road bike is no rolling brick. The position makes a huge difference.
Excellent experiment! Upgrade will be interesting.
So the Boardman has 80% of the pace for 5% of the price.
More like 97% with decent tires. You are never going 25% faster on another bike.
@@Al.2 at average speeds of 40 km/h the difference would be bigger. But agreed, never 25% :)
@René Assuming the same position, to go 1.2 km/h faster you'd need to be saving around 20 watts with bike components only, so I wasn't far off if at all, honestly.
@@Al.2 didn't say that, just saying aero kit and aero bikes make a bigger difference at higher speeds. (Speeds most amateurs don't ride at)
@René Actually, being aero is as important at lower speeds (the aero component of the total drag already exceeds 50% at speeds as low as 18 km/h) as it is at higher ones. 20 watts at 40 km/h will give you a roughly proportional speed increase to 10 watts at 30 km/h. The power to overcome aero drag grows with the cube of speed, mind you.
Slap some cheap aero wheels and good tires on the Boardman and you have like a $1200 bike that will almost be as fast as the $10k bike.
Oh, my secod road bike was Boardman (a pretty the same complectation, but older), and it is cool working machine for commuting and fun rides with friends. The third road bike is Giant TRC (some old one too), and the biggest difference for me that it's so responsive (as told in the video), which give you ability to greatly increase top speed. I hope you'll make a really cool updates on Boardman, because I still love this bike so much!
Yes! I’ve been an avid road cyclist for over 25 years and tried many different segments of cycling including mountain, gravel, CX, and BMX. I would consider myself more skilled than most. I bought my fist TT bike last (Cevelo P3X) and I must say, the learning curve was so much steeper that I would have anticipated. It took at least a week for me to feel comfortable on the skis. So nice work Phil. But to answer the question how much speed you can buy? Before I bought my P3X, I had 0 Strava KoMs, now I have around 40. I sometimes feel guilty about this because I know the people I got them from are far better athletes.
Phil looked at home on the TT bike 👀 Interesting that you feel guilty! How could they make the hunt for KOMs fairer?
Best video y'all have made in a while.
Thanks! what would you like to see more of?
If you are really taking requests: Crossover episode with Path Less Pedaled. Russ on one of Ollie's super bikes and Ollie on one of Russ's alt bikes. @@gcntech
Kudos Phil and GCN. Great idea to upgrade the Boardman (maybe even just the tyres/tubes) and rerun the test. Also, how about another test, same setup but this time with an experienced cyclist (Olli?). This would probably more accurately answer the "how much speed can you buy" question.
Ace Phill . I'd love to see a boardman upgrade
This was a great video! Loved it! Sure thing I would like to see Boardman upgraded! As a side note, I know this doesn't fit an entertaining video convention, so I don't expect this from you guys, but to make conclusions meaningful, Phill would have to make several rides on each bike to make results statistically valid.
Phil is a great sport - and I reckon a person that many of us viewers can relate to. An interesting video well executed. Cheers!
More Phil! What a legend! I think Alex might have a Dura Ace Chainset lying around you can have for the Boardman! 😅
A Dura-Ace chainset you say? Worth, approx £100 by any chance?
@@gcntech That's the badger! Would defo love to see the Boardman get faster for minimal budget and Phil test it. Phil is the presenter equivalent of 105. He's the ordinary rider of the people! 🔥
Fun video. A general criticism of GCN's methodology is that getting used to a new bike setup is really important to really performing with it. Phil should not have been expected to perform well off the bat with a new fit (aggressive position on the Orbea), or with a TT position with zero prior practice. Similar to the flat pedal video you guys did a while back and had to do a follow-up on.
great content!
Cheers!
Definitely do the boardman upgrades 😊
That was great !! (And, yeah, I did think that riding a TT bike does take getting used to)
Yes, love to see the pimped up Boardman! I rode today on my 12 year old Cervelo S2 and very modest Mavic Kysyrium Elite wheels with chaps on more modern machinery and was being ribbed on the age of my steed. I want to get new wheels but research is a minefield with loads of commentators with differing views e.g big brands just labelling up Chinese rims etc so to see a ‘scientific’ upgrade of the Boardman would be fab.