What Happened to America's Electronics Stores?

He’s so resourceful

Actually, I'd say that's not a bad idea when you think about it. One example would be movie theaters. With the way things are going these days, they may not eventually be around, so having documented footage of theater interiors will be the stories you can pass on and say how we would all go and watch shows on a 40 foot screen. I'm 38 and when the time comes when I eventually have grandkids, I'll bet they'll look at me and say, "You actually carried around phones?"

@@trekzilladmc A tram and bus company had the habit to photograph the places where works on bus stop and tram line were done, for documentation and liability protection. They stored all the photos, some going back to the horse drawn carriages. So places that were completely destroyed and old bus and trams were accidentally photographed and nowadays those technical photos become a really interesting time capsule

Makes me wish I had risked getting escorted out to get pictures of these. You never think at the time that something like that would have value years later.

@@retrolinkx I'm sure that the store owners have a photo. I remember that there was this club in Montreal, on the north shore, by the river. It had a large territory, a large parking lot. I think everybody knew about it. It was called the Octogon. I was too young to go but I did bike by it often. There is a bike trail going by it. It was destroyed maybe 20 y ago and they built apartments. There are maybe 5 photos of it online. The Octogon appeared in a movie called Cruising Bar.

Agreed, the only electronics stores that remain here are Best Buy and a small indie chain that specializes in computer parts and accessories.

lol salc1 I didn't expect u here :)

There also aren't many of them. One hour drive for me!

oh hi salC1 i didnt know that you watched this

As an arcade tech, I'm super grateful Micro still exists even with their weird and diverse product selection. Some of the games I work on still use VGA or serial connections and communications, and when I have a game go down, I need it back up ASAP. Being able to send someone to dip over there and buy the cable/connector/component we need, or have them pick it up on their way in to work instead of waiting and having a machine offline for 2-5 days for shipping is a godsend.

This is also why nowadays you typically find more of a variety of stores, that have nothing to do with clothing and jewellery in the strip mall complexes across the street. Since the rent there is probably a little more cheaper, then in the actual mall building.

My local mall is succeeding largely on restaurants. BTW-love the guidelines.

Why go to the mall when amazon will put it on your porch

There’s a mall down the hill from me that I’ve been revising for around 30 years. There used to be used cd stores, independent video game stores, Arcades, electronic stores all sorts of stuff. I went there a few months ago and other than a pretty good comic book store it’s all just clothing and jewelry stores and phone repair shops and The food court sucks. Hardly anyone there it’s almost spooky.

@@206beastman Idk it's still something different when you can hold that thing you want to buy in your hand and like actually look at it, its build quality etc.

That is actually a good idea!

that would be nice. and maybe have it in an old mall. then have all the fastfood chains in there be looking like 80's and 90's interior design. with some tv screens playing 80's and 90's shows and NBA stuff. that would be a blast from the past

I agree so much

and the exhibition pieces are just like the demo units back then

@@paulocuento9949 that sounds amazing!

Back when there was an interest and culture of repairing and even making things yourself. Welcome to disposable everything 2021.

Here in the UK our version was called Tandy, a company that sold mostly Radio Shack branded prodcuts and you could buy individual things like RF connectors, there was a gap for a few years after they went under until Ebay became the main place to buy from, well Ebay was around and you could buy cables but rather than 50p for a connector you needed the entire cable which inc postage may of been £3-£5, wasn't until years later that buying a few connectors/wires in buik worked out literal pennies.

Agreed, used to be able to go there and get the component you needed to fix something. That went away years before they closed. I remember going there looking for parts and leaving disgusted because they didn't have anything even remotely close. And the staff there used to be knowledgeable in nearly everything electronic, but that went the way of the dodo too.

In Houston (better than Dallas all day every day) we had EPO - Electronic Parts Outlet - where you could buy new components and older assemblies - Did I mention WAY better than Far Southern Oklahoma (Dallas).

In Texas at least, Altex is the 80's Radio Shack of today, with all those things you mentioned, on a lot more floor space (but still small compared to Fry's, for example). Friendly, non-pushy staff, too.

Similar tactics playing out now with Bed Bath and Beyond and Gamestop, and AMC theatres.

That is what the Investment Management Corporations like Black Rock, State Street, and others are doing today, that is why prices are so high on everything, and I mean everything!

That makes no sense. They made a little more money for a few years, and then the businesses were gone forever? No one in their right mind kills a golden goose. Most of those retailers failed due to their own problems, mainly high prices compared to online retail.

One time I went there and they had multiple isles of cases of bottled water. Also noticed a lot of cheap luggage. they had to be losing a boat load of money keeping the stores open as long as they did.

The other lie, "learn to use the dewey decimal system, you will use it for most of your life"

I got that in 2012, when people already had calculators in their pockets all the time.

Back then in my University, they said to me the same crap. I studied computer engineering so it was nonsense.

I still wish I could go find each of the teachers that said this and show them the calculator app.

Yep, I remember that...LOL

And the television as in the medium not the device is becoming gobbed up by the Internet as well recently. I just have less and less incentive to watch actual any television on my TV every day (it's more like a large monitor now), and I definitely am not the only one, at least in Poland. They just play reruns of reruns of old shows with bad dubbing that I can find in better quality online and have seen already or don't want to, films that are either boring enough to never watch them or I already have them on DVD, again with bad dubbing, and stupid reality shows that I have no idea at all who in the right mind might be watching so many of (and that's even on Discovery Channel: "Some guys looking for gold", "some guys looking for crabs" , "some guys looking for meteorites", "some guys auctioning garbage", "some guys driving a truck". That's really so much fun, ha ha. And takes up most of their schedule, and the rest is popular science programs that are >5 years old and I've seen them like 3 times, air in uncomfortable time slots, and aren't really up to date anymore). THAT's why I don't want a VCR anymore, or any more modern method of TV recording. I miss the days that there was anything worth recording, or even something remotely worth wearing out my eyeballs on the TV, and that is probably never coming back as well.

In the UK Radio Shack was called Tandy and guess what? Carphone Warehouse swallowed it up (Mobile phone shop!)

@@krzysztofczarnecki8238 Back in 2008 as a cost cutting measure when I moved across the country I got rid of my TV and when I got to my new place I never got cable. Its been over 10 years now that TV has not been a part of my life and I don't miss it at all.

@@mhoobag1 In Australia it was called Tandy too.

Including the catalogue itself!

My Xmas radio shack catalog was given to me with a lot of the pages torn out and some pages with chunks torn out. I was later told my parents had not wanted to disappoint me. Parents, duh.

>DRM But DRM hasn't been a thing with music for years now...

Doesn't seem to be worth the tradeoff now that we have it

Amazon and Ebay has pros and cons, lots of fun stuff, some good prices, lots of scams and house shenanigans, magical $100 rebuy taxes for the too lazy to check being one obvious one, and Ebay seems to game its users to promote blood in the water feeding frenzy. Ebay is not an honest auction site.

Computer Shopper. Large, paper version of Google for computer parts in the 90s. How I wish I would have kept a few of those - for the luls today if nothing else!

Yeah...I use Amazon for the convenience like everyone else, but it's souless lol

That's honestly the bet way to describe Online shopping seemed new and magical at first until we started realizing how it was slowly eroding the in-person shopping experience outside of basic department store goods out of existence.

Oh man. The Best store. THAT took me back.

I really miss seeing fry’s thrive. I miss the hot dog event at the manhattan beach location.

You nailed it. Especially for me the part about seeing the product in person. There're so many products that look great in a tiny thumbnail and when it arrives, its disappointing junk. Its a frustrating experience.

I just heard that voice in my head too LOL

😂

You: "Why don't I sue you?" Guard: "What?" News: Guard being sued for harassment during escorting.

In reality, we don't like people recording and taking pictures because we don't want evidence of everything we are doing wrong to get back to corporate

Ah, settle down, Paul Blart.

probably because you were a kid in the 90s. For adults in the 90s, going to malls was almost as soul crushing as it is today.

@@whaaaa869 No. Because in the 90's the shelves were full, every store was occupied, people could afford to go out and buy things with their higher disposable income. Now it's all FUCKED. Empty stores everywhere, entire shelves void of items in 90% of stores and people can barely afford those few remaining items anyways. Cheers.

​@@TheVanillatech half right. I was a teen in the 80s, so I was also a 90s adult. Overall, shops and restaurants in malls still had a high turnover, its just that they'd get replaced quicker. The individual stores, however, were being killed by Walmart and Target and "big box" and "warehouse" stores. Sears tried to join in with "low everyday prices" by eliminating sales, which did make prices cheaper, overall. But the loyal Sears customers were brought in by "sales-driven" marketing, and people who were looking for low prices but not sales had already become loyal to those newer stores, so it was a disaster, Sears soon went back to sales. Don't forget the growing influence of internet sales and "Cyber Monday". These weren't damaging brick and mortar's until the late 90s , but everyone was paying attention and buying by 1999. But the malls in the communities surrounding Worcester, in the 90s, for example, had already totally devastated downtown Worcester. There was no need to pay for, or struggle to find, a parking space, people stopped going downtown. Even the porn theater went out of business. I traveled across the country a few times when re-locating, among other reasons, I know what you're talking about. What bothers me is that you're pretending to be an authority on the subject and putting your problems either typifying every place as all the same, or your issues as the worst. They aren't.

@@TheVanillatech It is much more soul crushing today because of architecture as well. I am not kidding, the way buildings look will drive your soul down as well, attract gangs and it is done on purpose. The beauty of how buildings look has the same psychological effect as a well landscaped area vs a run down unfriendly area does. If you look at every fast food joint today, none have a roof, they all have a simple straight up pattern, no imagination city block buildings as to up until 2010 they all had a roof, looked comfy to go in, welcoming village type building.

@@DMalenfant1 Of course it's done on purpose. The beautiful and highly diverse architecture of the last 300 years and numbers of "movements" were created by highly trained, highly paid master tradesmen (which don't exist in that regard anymore) and designed and paid for by a plethora of individual construction gangs employed by a plethora of individual entities. Money was abdundant, profit was not the be all and end all, sometimes it wasn't even an issue. Today you have a handful of massive construction conglomerates in a world where 1% of the population own 75% of the land and wealth. Things are done as cheaply as possible, using inferior resources and employing inferior, lower paid tradesmen and the projects are not under supervision of artistic / creative architects (unless its a house in Aspen, of course). The new buildings here in the UK, both residental and commercial, have for decades ignored the thousand year history back catalogue of national and international designs that we have aquired and that can been seen up and down the Country in the old town areas, infavour of the Wallmart / Modular style of bang it up fast and cheap and sell it high. These new houses look terrible and offer a scientifically pre-calculated amount of living space as to be JUST ACCEPTABLE to the average pleb.

I am 53, so I grew up through the 70's, 80's and 90's. Watching this video brought back so many memories. I remember one epic shopping trip I did right after I graduated college, moved out and got my own place in the early 90's. Going into Sears to buy brand-new 486DX2-66 MHz machine, then going into Babbages and getting a SoundBlaster 16 ASP, CD-rom drive, and another 4 Megs of RAM (Yes, Babbages, also sold computer components in addition to the consoles and games), as well as a couple of games, going into Montgomery Wards to get the monitor, and then hitting up the Musicland to buy a couple of albums. Oh yeah, I also bought a 22-inch Zenith TV and a SNES (both of which I still have) and a couple of games for that as well. Must've dropped nearly $5,000 (in 1993 dollars) on that trip and all in the same shopping mall (I guess what happens when you are a young 22 year-old at the time that just landed a nearly 6-digit income job as a software engineer and need to outfit a new apartment)! Could not do that anymore today at the mall as all of those places are now gone (yes, even the Sears and Montgomery Wards)! Along the same lines, anybody remember when Computer Shopper used to be this massive phone-book size tome of a magazine? It was my go-to if I needed something that I could not find locally for computer hardware and parts. Also, anybody remember the computer shows/fairs as well? Since there was no Fry's Electronics in my area (I am on the east coast), those computer shows were the place to go to find just damn near anything you needed when it came to computer hardware, and there was usually one somewhere in the general Washington, D.C. area nearly every weekend. Do they even have those anymore? With that, there is still a Micro Center up in Fairfax, which is not too terribly far from my place. I did live a couple years in Columbus, OH and do remember going into that big one they have there many times.

My brother in Christ your generation made Amazon the giant it is today you should’ve just went to the store

​@@SkiBumMSPYou were certainly one RICH dude!!!

Faaaaaaacts. I always had a specific mall route that started at EB/Kaybee/Babbages/whatever game store was in the mall, then Walden's, then Musicland/SamGoody, before I'd inevitably stop in Radio Shack on my way to the arcade FUN Family Amusement Center.

Virtual reality "physical" stores are a thing if you prefer to view things as displayed on shelves as opposed to in a big list

i lived it, it was ok, but i'd rather have the thing i want in 3 days than settle for what those places had that day

I wasn’t even around in the 80s and I can still feel the effects of online shopping & e-commerce! I 100% agree!

@@stoneofverbosity Yeah, virtual interfacing might be disappointing as a replacement for commonplace experiences. But when we use the same technology to allow us to simulate picking up and looking at rocks from planets in other galaxies, it becomes inspiring and wonderful. Products being sold online needing to have good ways for users to interface with and analyze them will put money into the development of the same technology that could expand our experience to places it has never been before

Shows his dedication

stfu

@@pandapolygon who hurt you?

@@pandapolygon Who hurt you?

@@pandapolygon who hurt you?

Yeah, that was common practice. And there was nothing the security guards were able to do about it. "What are you writing, sir?" "Just making a shopping list."

When I worked at a petrol station at a supermarket in 1994, I had to jump in one of their company cars and drive around writing down the prices of competitor stations.

And now today you can walk around with a 4K camera No one knows you're recording. 😂

@@Jayce_Alexander unless THEY, the hierarchy enslaving you, tries to cancel/ban writing next. god always wins.

@@EgoShredder I did that thing with gasoline pumps too, not with the prices though but with the amount of fuel sold as indicated in that very inconspicuous analog counter ( to know if competing with them is sustainable)

Could not agree with you more.

I wish I could have experienced the fry's and best stores in their prime.

I learned MS-DOS on computers in Fred Meyer's back when they sold computers. I would just literally stand at the computer and learn about commands and the file system. I had free reign on the computers in stores back then.

@@telengardforever7783 crazy for much Fred Meyer downsized. They even used to sell lumber!

There is something to what you're saying, but I think the "stuff us nerds just don't care about" is kind of a hot take. Especially coming from a man. I mean couldn't he just say that he doesn't care about it? I do think fast fashion is largely aimed more at women, but I don't think that helps to say that if what you have against yet more clothing stores existing is the materialism/consumerism.

I just can't buy it, I think it was just a case of the lack of knowledge and thought going into everything, after all, I had pocket cameras in the 1960s that allowed me to snap pictures without anyone becoming aware it was happening, and the electronic stores sold them, so they knew what they were used for.

@Eugene Cam When I was growing up in the 1990s, corporate execs were "millionaires" (except for Bill Gates et al); corporations were valued in the low billions; corporate debt was low, and manageable. Our country's debt was bordering to a trillion (give or take depending on the year. Then I became of age when the Financial Crisis hit; and execs were billionaires, companies would become trillions in market cap and our debt was in the upper trillions. In fact "small businesses" owners tend to have millions on paper. But one thing that people don't talk enough is what got America (us) here. After the dot-com bust; we were running on low interest rates; this is what helped Amazon and Apple and the others get to those trillions on market cap. If we didn't learn how Japan declined in the late 80s, I don't know what other example to point out. Low interest rates is inherently a bad idea; and asking for trouble. I love to go to the malls where I live just on the NH side of Boston metro, retail ain't dead. Many still go to bricks. I think it depends by market. And the retailers should tap into what market works best, and how to improve the remaining customer base. I think that would be a positive place to start.

I'm 42, and I miss the days before the internet and cell phones too. Digitization has ruined much in this country.

Too many off brands, that were too expensive! It was like you had to be privileged to buy form some of these stores! That said, I still do miss having one. That’s why I try to support Best Buy & GameStop as much as I can, I also like to see the product that I’m going to buy in action, and I hate paying and waiting for something to be shipped (Especially when don’t know exactly what I’m getting!).

@@MarkMcDaniel I miss it too, but not for going into malls. Malls suck now just as much as they sucked then. The arcade being an exception, and being able to smoke in doors. Playing outside and getting into trouble with your friends beat going to the mall where you had to park, walk, stand in line, try stuff on, walk forever to get anywhere, nah as soon as I scoped out the computer stores in my city (and ended up working for one under the table) I rode my bike around to them and spent my money and time among like minded people. Malls hold absolutely no allure to me - only reason I went to one routinely was because my postal outlet was in one. Don't miss malls much - maybe screwing around with my friends, but even then as soon as I got a car at 17, I almost never returned to the INSIDE of a mall - the parking lot was used extensively in the winter for drifting and making my own autocross course and spending good portions of cold winter evenings getting my Hyundai (yes, a RWD one) going sideways. Sometimes friends would join. Those are my memories of malls. Oh and making out with co-workers in the back of the food storage of the restaurant (even though I didn't work there ;) )

Not American but I'm always having a good time reading thoughts of you guys above and the history of US.

Yep

This is why Best Buy will match Amazon pricing.

That didn't really exist in the 1980s, though. Back then, we just called it "shopping around."

@@stilts121 idk maybe that’s bc ordering online wasn’t a thing in the 80s

@@linkthehero1234 That's what I mean.

You haven't missed much, I have ventured into a mall a handful of times in the last decade, and it's always the same - the requisite few big chain home goods/clothing stores, smattering of specialty stores, Sharper Image, Gamestop and a shitload of dodgy kiosks.

Even in the 90s when I was a kid you could still buy parts and tools there. At the end they were nothing more than a glorified cell phone store. The only other place we had locally was a one off store that sold electronic components and related tools. It was awesome, the store inside was a huge mess but if you needed a capacitor, mosfet, wire, etc they had it. Unfortunately the place burnt to the ground and never reopened.

I remember the "lifetime" guarantee tubes. Even made good on that guarantee a few times. *Sigh* No more.

Built my first 11 meter amp with components purchased at RadioShack. The only thing I had to order was some toroids for matching transformers. They were the only electronic supply store that kept Teflon coated wire in stock. Sandman 10/7...

how about the battery of the month club at Radio Shack?

The parts and tools sections of the stores kept getting smaller and smaller, so sad.

@rustychrome: Oh, yeah, they did play up the Star Trek/disco light show in those rooms! My favorite had the sofas in front of the $$$$ rear-projection TVs (4x3 and SD, and IIRC, you could still see the scan lines. But it was cool at the time)

I remember Best Buy having a room like that in Cali back in 2007, it was the first place I would go whenever my grandma went there to buy something.

Then it turned into a place to buy cellbones.

@@louistournas120 The smart bone's connected to the... cell bone!

That catalog he had, I remember going though those like some loved the Sears Wishbook. I too love being able to online shop and I guess that makes me part of the problem. Good thing we still have Best Buy around me, cable modem took a crap and I was able to get one of the shelf. I now keep a spare. Also I am 5 min from Chicagoland's mighty Abt. Electronics. Still I shop online but can pick up my order rather than wait.

I miss the rows and rows of components. Its exactly that. When you forgot a resistor, it was nice to have a store 20 minutes away to pick one up. Microcenter is about the best we get now

@@blackbird1234100 To anyone who is within reasonable driving distance (read: 5 miles) of a Micro Center, I wanna say... y'all are a bunch of lucky SOBs.

Speaking of mall cops, if anyone saw that video a few years back of a cop making a kid do push ups instead of taking them in(I forget what for exactly) that was actually outside of the theatre attached to the Six Flags Mall. It is now a boring ass warehouse and it hurts my soul every time I drive by it.

The 2 malls left here are known as places of violence and drugs. It’s really sad.

Yeah Paul Blart was always ragging on me for running in the aisles

Ikr in my home town growing up adults would complain about the youth hanging out at the park then we got a game crazy and vandalism went waaaaaaaaaaay down and then the adults botched about the owner having a psudo internet Cafe we'd play cs condition zero at his shop, after he lost out to gamestop which was his fault we eventually found planet 8 ball and then kids in town had a place to go again until adults wound up getting mad that we would hang out in broad daylight on 3rd street so 8 ball got closed and everyone was old enough to buy heroin. 2/3 of my graduating class of 30 are addicts or recovering. Shit always broke my heart, one of my friends who fell prey to drugs once thier mom was completely fed up with thier computer usage. The dude was so fucking talented and I learned so much from him it sucks seeing how the drug affected his cognitive ability. He'll still send me a shell script to do random shit like translating my hdd spinning to raw audio.

@@MARKE911 SO true. Many people I know, including my wife, are afraid to go to a mall, because of the criminality and just general disorder and rudeness. There is no longer anything of interest for me at a mall.

this comment made me super nostalgic before i even watched the video

This comment makes you ALL old. And I'm older.

I remember the mall in my small town didn't let people under 18 come into the mall unattended, I'm like you're telling the only demographic that actually still comes to this mall and spends money to leave; years later half the mall was vacant.

I'm a late 90s baby and I absolutely still had this experience growing up in the 2000s. And so did everyone I know. Don't worry yourself, those experiences never went away with time 👍

The 90’s were the best.

it is quite loud

Reminds me of Max Headroom.

its awful and distracting.

Wow it's bold, it's difficult to focus on anything else. [Sort of painful]

It is a migraine.

From the 1950s to the late 1990s was better times, and the further back you go to the 1950s, the better off America was, the more innovated people were, and the more freedom we had!

Oh great now I've got the triumph song stuck in my head. :-) but yeah I don't even want to know what this place is going to look like in 2045.

one of the greatest movie lines, and movie moments, from one of the greatest movies ever

Electronics stores? You wouldn't believe the things I've seen.. :)

@@trickyrat483 exactly. When 8-bit guy was talking about the 80's nostalgia of going to the computers stores in the shopping malls, I was having a flood of vivid flashbacks. It was literally like yesterday

I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Stores full of electronics and devices. I’ve seen shops full of discs able to reflect the sunlight. All those electronics will be lost in time. Like tears in the rain.

barely

Yes, Microcenter is probably the last of the last Brick n Mortar stores.

I just wish they had better locations, since frys shut down, I gotta drive 45 minutes to the nearest microcenter

urhotmom I'm lucky mine is only 1.5 hours away. Some people don't have them in their state haha

@@jordanranstead3016 or have one in the state, but a long ways away (661 miles to the one in Tustin)

Also, the expectation of it to work properly have changed. There are just so many weird Chinese products that do work "sometimes".

And if you had a faulty item or another problem you could return to the store for face to face help, and get a replacement item(or a refund). Plus seeing things up front, meant you could ascertain styling and size issues for your living room. There could be a time when we regret the closure of all these stores.

Virtual reality store shelves help to mitigate this problem. Or those 3d still image webapp things that you can rotate. Once lidar or an analogue is cheap and convenient enough for stores to scan their goods, we'll be able to get a better picture of them from home

@@farmerfreakeasy9577 Is now, the time?

@@jek__ That's the 1st i've heard of these rotating 3D images. Nice thinking. In a few years we'll have phones that can project 3D images, just like in Star Wars. Help me Obi Wan. Help me. Maybe it's about time i bought a mobile phone; but i can't afford the phone calls.

Ah yes, smart business tactic of banishing price conscious customers. Instead of getting a little money, they get no money! Such a massive improvement!

@@nullpoint3346 I mean it's understandable from a buisniess prospective, you may lose money from kicking some people out that are money savy but if a direct competitor can slightly undercut you you'd be losing way more, but yeah it definitely sucks glad it's much easier now with online shopping

@@Not_Loading Most stores that are left will do a price match nowadays if you bring up a competitors name.

It's not about just the prices. It's about the layout and presentation. Retail is a cat & mouse psychology game. A competitor would video a store to study where and how products are arranged, how customers move around and react. Same reason they collect all that data online. It was tougher to hide a camera then, and data harvesting was in it's infancy. These days they just try to hack each others customer data.

@@peterbelanger4094 Now companies just scrape competitor websites every day and then data mine it.

I love the phrase "The Golden Age of Nerd Shopping"! There's a movie title there.

I'd love to see a movie that centers around tech from the 80's till early 2000's. I think that'd be really neat.

I'm 31, and my childhood mall is in it's death throws. They annouced they can't pay the mortgage after this year. The only store that consistantly has people in it is the mall ninja store - incense, swords, throwing kives, and in the back, MTG gaming. Seeing the empty sears building hurts, I spent a lot of time there as a kid. Even the empty storefronts from Holilster, A&F, and American Eagle, which I went to as a teen, are empty shells, devoid of product but filled with memories.

Man, I feel that. There's a mall near me I used to go to, almost all the stores are now gone. Literally all that's left now are a few clothing stores, one department store and a Hobby Lobby. You can still see Radio Shack's name vaguely. As nice as online shopping is, you'll never replace the charm of walking around stores to see what's new IMO.

"... empty shells, devoid of product but filled with memories.". -- That makes for a great quote & summarizes all our feelings. My best times browsing stores for technology were in the 1980's & 1990's. Radio Shack, Blockbuster, Sears, Incredible Universe & the final nail, Fry's. All gone. I did take a couple photos inside the local Radio Shack during liquidation in mid 2017. Bought lots of stuff at 40 to 90% off before saying goodbye.

While I had the same problem getting out of the store, the guys knew there stuff on the electronics front and would be willing to endure it now if when you ask a employee a question you got more then a blank stare and that is only if you can chase them down to actually ask them something.

so give a fake one

I used to work at one. People would argue with us about addresses. I think that Radio Shack in its original form was a speciality boutique shop that only professionals and hobbyists would shop at, and it made sense to keep such information because it was more like a community. We would use addresses and such if we needed to contact people for some kind of follow up about their product, or mail them documentation they left behind or if they abandoned their credit card.

@@CamdenBloke That's certainly a more positive way to look at it. I never was the type to give clerks a hard time- but the questions every time were irritating. Especially when paying cash. I came in a lot when working on a project, and they would constantly ask me if I wanted to buy a cell phone too.

Early form of spamming

Same here

Yeah same, I was absolutely expecting Amazon to be top of the list when it came to things that killed electronics stores, but yeah he's right, 90+% of the stuff they sold is just redundant these days!

The upgrade cycle was way more harsh / impressive.

@@AntiPseudo Well, there's an app for pretty much anything nowadays. Even my bum basic, hand-me-down Nokia 3220 which I used to carry back in late 2000s and early 2010s was capable of doing most of the stuff mentioned in the video. Even had a blurry VGA camera with picture quality on par with early consumer digital cameras.

It actually gave a me a headache... I love your work, but that background needs to be easier for your eyes....

@@frankklinkers4209 I liked his plain background with his KZhead Awards... :(. It looks smaller...

@@frankklinkers4209 omg same, how doesn't he see it?

It looked like a migraine to me.

It's pretty jarring

I used to work at Babbages at the mall part time during Christmas as "Jobby" just to make some extra cash on the side, plus taking advantage of the employee discount on games. I was really good friends with the manager so he hired me on the spot when I asked if he did not mind some extra help around Christmas. The mall across the highway from my place not only had a Babbages, but it also had an EB, as well as THREE record stores (Camelot, Musicland, and Sam Goody), and a fairly sizable video game arcade. None of that exists anymore, although there is a Game Stop still in that mall. However, at least just down the highway from the mall, there is a "retrocade" that opened up fairly recently. I've been in there numerous times and that place is always hopping, so at least I can still go to an old-school 80's style arcade like I did when I was a kid!

Maybe add it to Defunct Land?

@@AltimaNEO Exactly LMAO

No they don't.

i agree. and maybe have all the interior design of the mall and the shops look like they were in the 80s

Need to photogrammetry a mall

Very accurate.

Yep, plus they stopped keeping up with the trends in the electronics hobby. We had to mail order anything made past 1983 anyway, so why bother. I worked at Radio Shack about the time John Roach abandoned the loyal hobbyist.

@@bryede I worked in a mall software store, opening and closing it, and by the end of it I had pirated the entire Macintosh section... no small feat. Every morning I would come in, and for an hour in the back re-shrinkwrap all the stuff I had taken home and copied lol. It was for my own personal use, and I never would of been able to afford any of it anyways on that minimum wage, so no big harm, but kind of funny. It was 10x better than today's Gamestop. If only it had paid 5x more. The manager made $15/hr, which was okay, but everybody else made nothing. Still, fun place to work at the time because we were all a bunch of characters and the customers that came in were fun. Where else could you play video games locally... at work. Just about all the sales were credit card sales. I miss places like Computer City and CompUSA tho... even though I never bought anything, it was fun to look. The further you go back in time, the more fun the computer stores were, and the more varied was the merchandice.

There at the end when RS started supporting the Maker community I thought they might be able to hang on. But, alas, no.

I was looking for a can of electrical switch cleaner recently and had to shop around in what shops are left. The guys that work in some of these 10th rate excuses for businesses haven't even heard of switch cleaner. I live in the U.K and everything is near enough gone nowadays. Shops like Tandy, Maplin, Independent stores as well like small computer game stores. Even mainstream chains selling electrical items have largely scaled back or gave up selling a lot of products altogether. Most of the took for granted shop spaces with the exception of big chains are vacant or been turned into yet more hipster eateries or cheap fast fashion stores. It's an unspoken shame what the West has become under the banner of a "progressive" society. The U.S always had more shopping than the U.K would ever dream of having but it's fukin ridiculous what tech giants have done to the world and the West in particular.

It's pretty distracting in this state

I'm sure once it's covered in shelves it will look great.

its seizure inducing

@@JasonOFlaherty It's distracting here in Pennsylvania too.

@@mrb5217 haha

well we are not allowed to travel, thats our future. corona shit fuck

You’re speaking of Akihabara. Multi story electronic stores! I visited just before the pandemic and will return!

Lots of it in West Taiwan, too.

That's a place I would like to live in, if it wasn't so expensive.

Are you talking about Akihabara district in Tokyo. It's also full of retro games shops that are stuffed full of... well everything! As well as still having multi-story Game Arcades. It's a place you will see nothing like in the west.

I doubt it. It's not that difficult to just look around and memorize, especially given that back in those days they probably had even fewer cameras than today.

@@wurfyy things were different back then.

Holy cow yes I was very fortunate to grow up in last year's of 90s & Also so the customer can't sue the store fake a fall or something on tape.

@@iluminumfalcon8619 right!

You could literally walk around with a pad and write their locations down. There wasn't actually any valid reason to prohibit camera usage. Only the most idiotic robbers would use an overt camera to case a store.

But the 80s were only 20 years ag...... oh. :(

We do! We do!

@@Darxide23 20 years ago was the 2000's 😔

Or how small David was...

_WHO NEEDS A CAMCORDER THAT FITS IN MY HAND_ _YOU KNOW I WANNA LOOK LIKE A NEWS CAMERAMAN_ - Rhett and Link

@@carbonstar9091 There was "smaller" VHS cameras but with a separate recorder wore to the belt.

huh

@@that2dollarbill863 His house got flooded

@@that2dollarbill863 his house got flooded

His house got flooded

@@that2dollarbill863 His house got flooded, after the Texas snow storm and power outages, I believe a pipe burst

And if you had the right one the manager built models. Went in there a lot after I found that out as I was getting into lighting up my ships. Got a lot of good advice and ideas. Guy got screwed by them. They never said anything about closing and he had a lot of stock invested for retirement. He lost money on all of that.

@@francisdhomer5910 In fairness, the writing had been on the proverbial wall for over a decade (nearly two decades if paying close attention) that Radio Shack was ultimately going to implode and was a near foregone conclusion in the last several years of Radio Shack’s existence, so closure really was not a surprise to anyone paying any attention. Radio Shack went downhill tremendously once they closed their catalog business and shifted nearly everything over to cellular sales instead in the mid to late 90s... they got by on that for about 10-15 years so long as there were few other reputable nationwide chains selling cellular service and phones, but once everyone and their mother was selling cellular service plans and phones there was no longer a compelling reason for people to go to Radio Shack anymore and they had already killed off nearly everything that once made them a major hobbyist and novelty item destination for many. Your friend was effectively gambling big time on Radio Shack beating the,overwhelming odds and rebounding, thus a huge payoff, but their debt holder specifically forbid any significant changes to their business model that might have facilitated their survival nor any additional or outside cash infusions to keep them alive. Radio Shack in those final years was much like the GameStop of today, maybe a miracle happens and GameStop is bought up by an exceedingly generous angel who successfully saves the chain, but to anyone paying attention the death of GameStop is a near foregone conclusion as they are hemorrhaging money, customers, and outright ripping off customers (e.g. canceling paid preorders at closing stores and pocketing the customer’s money and making it very difficult for customers to recover their own money) and low level employees just to keep the lights on a little longer so the top execs can give themselves one final annual bonus for their epic incompetence (the classic Golden Parachute - could you imagine if the rest of us regularly received huge bonuses whenever our bosses fired us for gross incompetence or neglect?!)! I do believe they could have saved Radio Shack had their debt owner wanted to allow such by realigning and reinventing Radio Shack with the Maker movement in mind and partnering with Makerspaces, etc., - or even creating their own Makerspaces on a Nationwide level - providing folks with not only ready access to hobby related parts and services (both same day for stock items and free pickup mail order) as well as equipment sales and rental for Makers. The 2008 recession would have been a great time to have made that move as retail space and real estate prices were substantially depressed due to the many business closures in that recession, so creating Makerspaces would have been a much less costly experiment and Radio Shack still had significant cash on hand back then that could have been used to help finance the conversion and marketing blitzes not to mention a passionate Maker movement they could have allied with for additional free publicity and members/customers. However, by the final terminal years such would have required both bold vision and a significant outside cash infusion and their debt holder would not even authorize them to close and sell off their poorest performing locations, much less pursue a bold vision to save a much beloved institution amongst those of us who grew up with Radio Shack and their catalogs! It is pretty clear that their major debt holder WANTED Radio Shack to shutter for their own financial reasons given they did everything possible to ensure its demise by forbidding any real changes in a dead business model and now allowing them to close poor performing and redundant locations. The final closure and liquidating of Radio Shack was not only a very sad day for the electronics hobbyists that grew up with Radio Shack but also for the amateur (ham) radio community as that was where Radio Shack’s origin story begins, hence the name “radio shack”!

@@ethanpoole3443 Thanks for your reply. To be clear on my friend he worked for them for 20 years, almost always treated him right but his biggest problem was he was small town. It was hard for him to think of people trying to screw other people. The week before everything fell down he had been told things were going good and he had nothing to worry about. In other words he was too trust worthy. He has bounced back from all of this but no where near where he was. He was one of the few stores who was doing good due to what you mentioned, the HAM people in our area. He also tried to give personal service to everyone and tried to have his people do the same. (Sometimes he still had idiots that understood nothing nothing about like customer service) Radio Shack screwed themselves all over. Myself I felt Tandy was a good product. Still have an old Tandy computer somewhere and it works. They had interesting stuff that covered everything from a young child interested in electronics to the crazy guy down the street building his first Skywatch to take over the world. Then I first started looking into lighting my models and showed their choices my imagination ran wild. Not only could I build the Starship Enterprise but I could outfit a control panel making you feel like you could fly it. (Never did, cost) As a budding nerd I could spend hours wandering around. Near the end all I did was orbit around thinking Yep can buy that somewhere else and better. Another thing that killed it, things started feeling cheap. Now we have on line, which don't help the new people coming into anything. You have read me talking about models, if you got interested an wanted to learn what do you do? Talk to me? We may never chat again. Chat online with someone at these sites? Once more you don't know them you don't know if they know the hobby or are reading a script. And if you take time to think and come back later you may never see them again. Yes you can call me a Boomer. I miss the days where there were human interactions. But the good workers back them learned to read their customers, learned what they were not saying and was able to steer them towards what they wanted needed or in some cases what the company wanted them to think they needed. I won't go into Gamestop. That is a whole ten page chat to start. Thanks for your comments Have a good day. Frank

Believe it or not, up to at least the 2015 bankruptcy, corporate Radio Shacks still had a ton of the basic electronic parts needed to make a lot of stuff. It was just marginalized and relegated to the back of the store, and most stores the employees didn't know crap about any of it. But, would you like to upgrade your cell phone? Their addiction to wireless sales to subsidize their labor costs (SPIFFs and commissions added a LOT of fat to sales associates paychecks) is what most killed their future, and ability to even change. They got so dependent on it, just 1 month of even near zero wireless sales could tank the company, if their cash reserves went away. When Julian Day left as CEO, his successor Gooch literally doubled the number of VPs and other high level execs, and in 6 months dried up ALL of their cash reserves. The shrinking sales due to simple marketplace competition alone was enough to throw them into the red. They didn't know how to get their enthusiast customers back, and couldn't pivot to do so fast enough for it to save them.

Heath Kit was another.

Dan Bell is a lazy FF. "Retail Archeology" is a better version of Dan Bell.

...with a dash of "Company Man", a great YT channel that gets into why certain businesses succeed or fail. In fact I almost thought I was watching yet another "Company Man" video, especially when 8-Bit Guy went into the points for the electronics stores reasons for demise.

There is also Sal.

Benrith!

The crossover I didn't know I needed!

😆 GameStop is newer. Babbage, Software Etc., and one I cannot recall! Those were the childhood stores

doesn't matter even if WSB gets insomniac. what they did may not help gamestop in the long term.

Stonks?

@@ericcooley9407 Gamestop is Babbages and Software Etc. Those two merged in '94 and changed their name to Gamestop in 2000. Funco was also bought and combined with this set.

Paradoxically, the producer of store killers - Apple - has a lot of well-earning classic stores.

Don’t forget about the toys!

I remember the weird system they had where you couldn't just pick the games up off the shelf, they basically just had a wall with box shots and you had to take a ticket to the counter and they'd give you the game. It still seems bizzare where even today, the items might be in a glass case but they're right there you just need to ask someone to open it up and then you can just check out normally.

@@Tahngarthor Yes! Sometimes the front and back were next to each other. Eventually as more consoles came out you could flip the box shot up to see the back. The ticket counter also blew my mind. ALL THOSE GAMES.

That's very true, I remember those times in the 90s and they sold Boglins which was My favorate toy besides Lego.

@@Tahngarthor they did that to prevent theft, because $50 for a game was insane back in the 80's and 90's (we're talking like $100 for a single game today!). So, to try to curb theft, they locked up their games, so you'd have to pay for it first, then collect it later. They changed that when they remodeled into the R Zone, and started putting them into locked cases that had to be unlocked behind the counter.

They are, however, interested in selling useless crap like extended warranties and overpriced HDMI cables.

LOL

Absolutely spot on. People now are just terribly boring to the point that you wouldn't want to get to know them. KPI obsessed clones.

@@maidenthe80sla We did had brick and motor stores for electronic parts at one time. Radio Shack was one of them. But that was probably in part of back in the day, when something electronic breaks or had something burn up inside of it. You where more inclined to get it repaired, then to throw it out and buy a new one.

For $8.00 an hour, do you blame them?

And then covid hit

My Fry's was failing for a year before Covid hit, when they started doing consignment in early 2019. Coincidentally, the 2000 series RTX card I have right now is the same one I bought just a month before they started doing consignment, and I never seen a single GPU after that for almost 2 years until they went bankrupt.

frys was run by assholes

@@davincent98 Or as it was originally known.........the seasonal flu.

Yeah really, @@EgoShredder. The Seasonal Flu is also known as one of Big Pharma's greatest cash cows around. The Year 2020 proved that there is no such thing as a legitimate Seasonal Flu.

yeah, he should replace white with a color that is closer to the blue we see

I agree. However, with the advent of cheap online pricing you can now just order a selection of capacitors or what have you and have them on hand.

DigiKey and Mouser took their place. David even worked for Mouser.. he was ahead of the game. Places like MonoPrice and Startech specialized in telling you Chipsets and documenting obscure technical guts so you didn't have to do Teardowns to suss it out yourself and compare.

This. Until a few months ago we actually had a small electronics shop in the neighborhood. You could get just about any part. Heck, you could even check tubes (remember them) and get replacements. Sigh.

@@jasonk9779 That being said you now have to buy things in bulk even if you need just 1 or 2, and can't mix and match so can still mount up cost and a lot of wastage.

RIP Maplin. RS are still around in the UK, but they have very few branches. Nowadays, you mostly have to hunt through sites like AliExpress to find a store that will let you buy just *ONE* component and not have a minimum order of 100 of them!

I think I can adjust to the blue mosaic ... it's the shelves behind his head I find horribly distracting

We've also got a few gadget stores here in the UK too but they're not that popular or common any more. I think the last one I heard of was a shop called Menkind that sold things they thought men would want in their mancaves.

Well, at least they used to be common in Asia. Was just a pale shadow left in Bangkok two years ago. Mostly iphone screen repair and phone covers left. Looking forward to check out the remains in Kathmandu and Tokyo later.

@@quadcopter Right now Tokyo is holding on but it is fading, i recommend to check it out while its still here. The markets are so cool to see both the old and the new stuff right near eachother

JayCar in Aus/NZ is pretty close to what Radio Shack used to be. Can still get individual components and electronics kits.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, well not the sexual angle that thought didn't occur to me, but rather the theft angle. They don't want people to be able to film and later analyze how the products are secured.

I remember hearing that cassette tapes in parking lots contained satanic chants and the VHS streamers on the sides of roads were discarded porn. Bearing in mind, this was told to me by someone whom thought Ozzy was possessed by a demon.

Hehe, late 1980s, stopped in a Sao Paulo, Brazil, high rise shopping mall. It had an interesting overall interior look. Like a typical tourist, whipped out my camera to snap some pics. Within a minute or 2, store security was on me like gang busters. I was totally unaware of picture taking restrictions, no warning signs or anything on display. I was rattled to say the least. Per their request, put away my camera, no further issues.

I'm surprised that there weren't creeps trying to take pictures of men. Isn't that a case of creep-bias? Creep lives matter!

Yes. That second one. They didn't want people "casing the joint".