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The further we go with AI art, the more it makes me question what about art actually appeals to me. I think I don't even like art. I just like people making things.
@kyer96772 ай бұрын
I'm starting to feel the same way.
@Blocked-Muse2 ай бұрын
For some time people mislabeled art, elevate their ego as artists and be a snob about craft. A lot of times if something is handmade with passion someone will see the art in it. I’m still waiting for A.I. to compose a piece of music that makes people cry. It may happen and put a lot of people out of work. Should that piece of music be looked down on? It doesn’t take away from someone working passionately on their own music and hearing an A.I. tune for inspiration. What’s interesting are jobs that allow people to develop their craft going to A.I. or people preferring to buy A.I. in a blind choice over human.
@scottmcguirk48482 ай бұрын
I like humans doing a human thing because I am human
@kyer96772 ай бұрын
That's it though. Art has value because it's pleasing but also usually an admimirable skill and the fact it's made by a person. Ai art will be worthless. Basically only useful for TV and movies and maybe advertisements etc. No one will be selling AI art in store for more than basically the cost of the canvas and paint. No go mention AI just copies, so if won't ever have any originality. It can only combine existing components.
@Larimuss2 ай бұрын
@@Larimuss I worked for a guy that would see what sells at art shows, have other people copy it and then sell it off at his store as his own art. I quit for many reasons but years later talked with a potter that worked for the same guy. Was told the business owner wanted the potter to teach his original techniques to new employees and his time around this business owner ruined his passion for pottery. Some people saw through him but his business did very well. Sometimes there are people at farmer’s markets that sell from standard corporate distributors. It cuts into true farmers. Also A.I. art has already won awards. Yes, their are people who like buying things other people can’t and will see A.I. as just copies with no monetary value but by winning awards it does.
@scottmcguirk48482 ай бұрын
I agree philosophically here, but let's be realistic: being artists for a living is a dream for so many people, and now they're getting kicked out of their dream jobs in favor of AI because it's faster and cheaper. Having to find a different job will in turn make them unfulfilled and less productive (because they will dedicate their day to something entirely different and probably be too tired at the end of the day to pick up a pen). THAT'S what's at stake here. This horrible waste of talent and potential. And that's why I'm adamantly against AI and want it regulated into the ground, if not entirely destroyed.
@nefariouswatcher2 ай бұрын
I agree with your point but i think it should be clear that just because the idea of being a working artist is some peoples dream does not mean its not a real job. Its a realer job than most to be honest, and there's a whole lot lost in companies switching to ai over people other than just an illustration. The artists are the thinkers and problem solvers who use their collective experience to create everything that we watch or play or look at for entertainment.
@reltcstone22 ай бұрын
@@reltcstone2 Oh, it's absolutely a real job, I didn't mean as it "unreal," rather, it's so incredibly hard to get yet people who get it are so passionate and caring about it that it's the stuff of dreams, even if the pay isn't the best. My bank took a hit the moment I decided to take art seriously and started filling financial gaps with other gigs rather than sticking to a 9-5 job. Why? Because it has always been my dream to be an artist, and now it's a goal I can pursue (with much sacrifice, but worth it).
@nefariouswatcher2 ай бұрын
@@nefariouswatcherYeah thats fair, I've been there, and i understand. I'm a concept artist myself.
@reltcstone22 ай бұрын
What a backward idea. If everyone thought that way, we'd still be sending letters instead of having the internet. We need to go with the flow of the world, not against it. AI won't replace real artists, they'll just use it to their advantage.
@Clodd12 ай бұрын
@@Clodd1 no they won't omg. Did you even dive into the subject? How can you use ai to your advantage if even now people unrelated to art generate something in 10 minutes and use it for their ad? How can you use ai to your advantage, when ai takes the biggest advantage of an artist aka joy of creation? How can you use ai to your advantage if BIG COMPANIES use ai generated art without any artist intervention and little people care? How can you use it to your advantage if everyone can simply do it for their advantage aswell, won't that make an oversaturated market of digital art? AI won't replace artists, but it will 100% totally reduce job positions by alot, only the best of the best will stay to work with it like Bo chen in league of legends or other principal/senior artists. And what does that give us? That's right, people cant earn money from their passion, meaning they have to focus on something else and keep art a minor hobby otherwise they'll gamble on life, because prodigies that draw since birth and are extremely good at it will take all of the jobs, there's no place for decency in the coming years in art. If you think artists will get hired as much as now to edit ai images, then youre insane or something. Of course we have to adapt to technology but right now its a painful problem to many people. We also need to make sure that technology doesn't take our lives from us, it's meant to HELP us, makes our lives better not take what makes us happy and human from us, generated art might be crucial to future artificial inteligence functionalities, but releasing this to the public should put altman in front of court, that's literally terrorism, openai contributed to destroying many people's lifes and ambitions, for what exactly? For 12 to kids to generate will smith eating spaghetti? It's used commercialy,for memes, and for undressing people. AMAZING. It was totally worth it right, we cant surely live without this tech. It has big positives for ai development and big negatives for society, so WHY THE FUCK DID THEY RELEASE IT? I see it as equivalent as sharing military tech blueprints to the public, totally unresponsible and openai should get it consequences for contributing to sharing dangerous tech, for using nonprofit datasets for profit, and for contributing to decreasing quality of life for many people. Let more responsible people develop AI for god's sake, they have all the money they could dream of from chatgpt, and now they want 7 trillion$ to create some sort of ARASAKA semiconductor monopoly, and plan on releasing sora which will destroy THE INTERNET, not only artists but the whole internet mind you, ai generated videos used by trolls scammers and manipulators will be such a pain that openai should be criticized not applauded
@piotrek76332 ай бұрын
It's not about art as a means to express oneself, it's about the ever-shrinking job market for creatives. In fact, the job market for all those who sit behind the computer screen will rapidly shrink within the next few years, and there won't be any new job that arises to replace them.
@zendao79672 ай бұрын
My white collar job in a non-creative field is doneski as well, there will be no such thing as auditors in 2 years time. There are people who just started a coding or accounting degree who won't have a job by the time they finish. I just manage to be a bit more realistic about it without getting angry.
@chrisanderson78202 ай бұрын
That is true for physical jobs as well, the only reason why physical labor wasn't replaced by robots yet is lack of good enough AI.
@KraszuPolis2 ай бұрын
Honestly if you're talented and creative and you don't monetize your talent or at least freelance you're not looking out for yourself and best interests why are you relying on a job in 2024 with talent?
@ashleybanks-wm4cg2 ай бұрын
The job market for those not behind a computer screen is also shrinking. Automation has been replacing human jobs for a long time. AI is just a drop on the ocean by comparison.
@Windowsprodukt2 ай бұрын
Let's not kid ourselves; the billionaire parasites have said that they'll eliminate up to 80% of ALL jobs with AI and robotics within ten years. They're even hellbent on getting rid of doctors, nurses and teachers so that second opinions no longer exist. Not a world I want to live in!
@GingerPeacenikАй бұрын
Drawing will survive and the traditional idea of being an artist but historically artists were also artisans and did jobs they loved that were relevant to the times they live in eg painting churches etc That idea of being an artist that is relevant to the time they live in, contributing to the creation of the character of society around them and being praised for it is very much threatened by ai.
@GED3D2 ай бұрын
Which is why we need tighter local communities too. AI art will never decorate your neighbourhood backdoor alleys, nor will it be used to create wall art or grafitis in your smaller town or even anywhere that isn't in the rich part of a city, etc. Local gardens and local libraries probably want to hire local graphic designers or local artists for their posters, newsletter and panflets too.
@micheller3251Ай бұрын
"...what i have not drawn, i have never really seen" This quote really captures my thoughts about sculpting. You never really notice all the details of something until you try to sculpt it, you get so much insight on what that thing looks like, every minute detail that you can later draw it from any persoective from memory. When you just look at thins in your day to day life you generalize and group things, you only notice the most importsnt things about an object, but when you start illustrating or sculpting it you hsve to deconstruct it completely and you finally see it for what it is.
@Narko_Marko2 ай бұрын
Of course Ai won't replace artist and drawings but what it will replace is commecial art and that's where the money and career is for majority of the people that interested in art.
@DrDoop.2 ай бұрын
I mean just become an creative and create your own stories and such and use ai for the menial labour. If you are just an printer then you dont deserve the job.
@gaymer56972 ай бұрын
Exactly
@doarte172 ай бұрын
Exactly. Just like the horse and carriage got replaced by the car. Sure, we still have horse and carriages. Even some limited commercial use! But where in the past everyone used horses and carriages. Now it's commercially viable for a select few. And the same with what he's explaining. There will be masters that can still make the most amazing pieces and be financially successful. But let's say about 90-99% or so of artists will not be able to make a living anymore like they do now. For most people, it will be reduced to a hobby. .. Anecdotal example. I was a Webdesigner. I ran a 2 man company with a friend. We aimed at small sites for small companies. Along came the flood of "make a site yourself" wave with things like squarespace. Not quite Ai, but it is digital automation. We had to stop. He went on to branding for big companies. Still does. And I ended up changing career, reschooling to skipper. We'll stil see man-made art. It will carry some extra significance. But commercially? The market will shrink. Even if it's just artists being faster to work with Ai assistance. And thus, requiring less artists.
@xander94602 ай бұрын
Dont worry, AI will come for any commercial activity making a new organization system for humanity with a new found freedom from the necessity of making something commercially viable
@GatileoGatilei2 ай бұрын
AI is cheap and no one likes it. It will be used for tacky KZhead thumbnails, memes, profile pics, and newsletter illustrations. That’s about it.
@reginaldforthright8052 ай бұрын
Thats a little bit like saying that in the era of corporate, globalized popmusic, playing the violin will have profound meaning and voice. Does it?
@f4ust852 ай бұрын
Perhaps. But I do think that it's not delving how the corporate, globalized, and such are part of the problems of modern tech and such.
@darkzeroprojects42452 ай бұрын
Joshua Bell in New York subway. No one even paid attention.
@paulsheldon88382 ай бұрын
Ai will dominate all the corporate commercial arts and such to the extent that there is no point doing art, except for the sheer expression and joy of it.
@PrincessKushana2 ай бұрын
@@PrincessKushana Well so far it doesnt look like it AT ALL. The polls show that overwhelming majority of the public prefers "human made" output and distrusts AI generators, several big brands burned their hands big time when releasing even partially AI generated visuals. Not to mention the huge problem with a) resolution and output quality b) IP and copyright - somehow no big brand wants to be represented by visuals that have ZERO copyright protection, I wonder why.
@f4ust852 ай бұрын
It does for many many people, yes.
@spicekai4486Ай бұрын
So what I gather isn’t that AI will replace artists, rather that it will just become more elitist to be an artist and that it’ll be commercially unviable for a majority of artists, especially in poorer areas of the world. It takes money to live and not everyone is dealt a hand where they can have a good balance between work and being an artist. I consider myself lucky to be able to do my art as I please but most of my artist friends have had to give up cause they don’t have enough time anymore and they barely make enough to get by. They long to express themselves. As an artist, I imagine it must be true hell
@jovajoestar2 ай бұрын
I work in engineering, and this kind of problem predate A.I. art. Many of my friends cannot afford to work in STEM, and they went where the money's at, business, marketing, and they just used their Engineering diploma to impress hiring managers. So, I would say it is more about capitalism in general than just A.I. art. Capitalism doesn't see a value of good quality of life, something both art and science brings. A.I. art is a perfect artist for Capitalism, fast, low cost, no human need, it doesn't matter if it is bad, it just needs to be profitable. It doesn't want a refrigerator that last a lifetime and uses the least electricity, it doesn't want a painting depicting the artist childhood struggle and how they overcame it, it wants refrigerators made as cheap as possible and break as soon as the warrantee expires, and a picture that people will buy 30 of them and then throws away in less day a year.
@EarthWingedDragon2 ай бұрын
For most of humanity, artists have either been very rich people (so they have free time), very poor people (they sacrifice everything else for art), or people who do it as a hobby. The last decades have been incredibly privileged time for artists compared to any other time. Art is about expressing oneself. If all you do is do art then everything you can express is doing art. This is why many of the most loved singers/actors/artists have had other lives before doing art because they actually have experience that most people relate to.
@SiimKoger2 ай бұрын
art is a commodity not a necesity, this would have happened with or without AI, sooner or later
@parafuegosarchive2 ай бұрын
@@EarthWingedDragon Capitalism along with technological progression gave most people on earth the highest living standards ever. I work full time as a programmer, make below my country's median wage and am partly helping with providing care for my elderly grandmother and I still have time to draw after work or play games with friends or go outside on the weekends. Just because you can't spend all day drawing what you want doesn't mean you have it bad, most commercial artists can't draw what they want without investing much of their free time.
@CheeseOfMasters2 ай бұрын
@@CheeseOfMasters Your argument doesn't prove anything except you have a decently good life. My argument is saying that good quality of life (related to science and art) is not the aim of Capitalism, which is profit. Certain products of Capitalism are against good quality of life, such as endless short video scrolling or gamer energy drink. And that is why AI is the perfect, the better artist in Capitalism. Even if it makes worse arts, It can and will replace human artists because Capitalism as a system thrive on devaluing and controlling workers. Everyone should think about AI, which does a worse job and is less innovative, replacing them, including scientists. AI already start to replace some hiring managers even if it does worse job, such as rejecting candidate with a gap in resume, but the gap was for education or something that is valuable.
@EarthWingedDragon2 ай бұрын
As an amateur artist, a funny thing happened to me during the rise of gen AI. I began to appreciate human made artwork so much more. In fact, it’s reignited a creative passion in me. Using Midjourney is cool, but I mainly use it now to create wallpaper.
@tonye24582 ай бұрын
I think that traditional will not only survive, but it will thrive.
@BonusPokus2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I feel like the more AI art develops the more I'm seeing people appreciate traditional or human made art
@Heavym_Etal2 ай бұрын
I've been wondering for a while how long it'll be before a youtuber into AI art makes a video where they say, "Today I want to tell you all about these things I've discovered called pencils. You can buy them online. And look, you can do this thing called drawing. And you don't need to be online to do it. You can take them, with a thing called a pad of paper, anywhere you want." And the comments will all be like, "Wow, that's crazy man. Going to get some of these for sure. More vids on this please."
@samdavepollardАй бұрын
@@samdavepollardtheres ais that you can scribble out a rough outline and itll make art from, theyll probably just talk about that instead of using actual pencils
@Synthesia-ef7hjАй бұрын
I feel like you kinda missed the forest for the trees here. The reason why artist dont like AI because it WILL take jobs away from humans and unfortunately in our world we need to have a job to survive and the only way for a person to be able to dedicate themselves fully to art is to have money and you can only have money if you have a job (or are born rich). If people didnt need money to survive literally no one would care about AI because ITS NOT REPLACING ARTIST ITS REPLACING CREATIVE JOBS. So TLDR: Less people will have opportunities to dedicate themselves fully to art because they will have to get a second job to support themselves.
@dannmcdan21852 ай бұрын
So true. Homemade jam and clothes are still being made today and arguably are thriving. The problem is people need a job to live so they can't use their time/lives for what is meaningful for them. This isn't a new problem though as only a small fraction of 'creatives' actually get to fulfil their purpose, often due to good industry contacts etc. However, isn't AI meant to liberate us from the grind ?
@billyliar16142 ай бұрын
Yep. I'm not a great artist, but i am one. What do i do for a living? I'm a copy editor. It leaves much less time than I'd like for my paintings.
@middleofnowhere13132 ай бұрын
I'm sure, being creative, there are possibilities that could shift sustaining local systems that would meet the needs of the Community. Since 2019 you have to search to find all the many local, township, neighborhood Co-ops that are thriving. It was amazing what can happen with a good idea. 'Working People' skills are what will build our future. Beauty is an important aspect for Human welfare so Artists will play an important part.
@leilathigpen3092 ай бұрын
And since the billionaire parasites intend on eliminating 80% of all jobs within 5-10 years using robotics and AI, that leaves us all where, exactly?
@GingerPeacenikАй бұрын
@@billyliar1614it seems to be "liberating" us from what makes life worth living first and foremost if it's killing creatives before moving onto every other sector. As usual, a handful of billionaires will own the robotics and AI that take over 80% of all jobs. If 80% of all of humanity has no way of earning an income, but is still expected to participate in a consumer based economy, how's that going to work?
@GingerPeacenikАй бұрын
HOW DID YOU LIGHT THAT SHOT?? Looks crazy. Love it.
@GhostShipMusic2 ай бұрын
We need to know! 😲
@JimmyBrandZ2 ай бұрын
But seriously though! I also was curious about that!
@Myrope2 ай бұрын
Betting it wasn't with ai! 😂
@drawingmomentumАй бұрын
I am a painter. I am 100% with you. I see beautiful images created by AI using prompts. AI is more like a visual translator, but the Artist is a narrator expressing emotions and feelings that mean something, coming from somewhere, and channeled in a visual image. There is a difference and eventually, people will come to terms with that after the novelty is over.
@RoopaDudleyPaintings2 ай бұрын
In my late teens I got more into digital drawing but still enjoyed traditional media. AI has got me back to wanting to create more with traditional media, water color and charcoal are my go to but I've always wanted to get better at oil painting, I think it's time to do that!
@yeoldegrayCatАй бұрын
Being an artist is already not a reliably profitable job (from what I've seen and heard) and in a few years it might not be a viable option at all, but as long as people want to create, to be inspired, to have fun and to express themselves, drawing, painting and most other types of art will not die. Tho, it's still kinda sad knowing that the job that I've wanted to have since 5th grade might not (or WILL not) be an option
@sheriffrandom22762 ай бұрын
I don't want to sell my art unless i must. Whenever i show someone my sculptures or paintings they tell me about how i could do commission and stuff but that just absolutely obliterates my passion, I don't feel good making art other people want and I don't. I want to make money in order to be able to make art and not the other way around.
@Narko_Marko2 ай бұрын
i just switched majors from animation to oil painting before watching this video. I was miserable, I felt like I was going to be stuck in an office slaving away. I feel so much more free.
@Lair_in_Limbo2 ай бұрын
Decoupling money from Art always was and will be the key to comprehend it. Thanx!
@bobhumid2 ай бұрын
spoken like a true priviledged ass. artists deserve to get paid
@LynnHermione2 ай бұрын
You *might*be right, but sadly that’s a gross oversimplification of the situation at hand. Artists their desire is to make art, and the only way to survive in the current day is by earning money. Even though art could and would be better if it were separate from money, it’s simply not possible. Since artists wouldn’t be able to earn money through their art and then have to sustain themselves with an unfulfilling job, it would circle back to hurting art again.
@plopplop71122 ай бұрын
Not an attack btw, just trying to show you a different perspective on your take
@plopplop71122 ай бұрын
I am also all for accepting art-making or creative work as work, therefore it should be paid. Just "art" is, like "culture" an indirect variable. You can not "create" culture (only observe or protect or fund or explore it) and you cannot force creativity (Similar to its inverted version: "Now do NOT think about a pink elephant!"). In my field of scenery those music producers that make any OK or decent money are forced to niveau-limbo or just very lucky. Also: Very successful "art" (music?) is not automatically of high value just because it leads the charts. Of course this is simplified, but if you are desperately hunting to find your way to create true art, money stands in the way. And the reality of a health-insurance. @plopplop7112 @@plopplop7112
@bobhumid2 ай бұрын
Too bad for artists who live in a world where you kinda need money to live.
@remnants99742 ай бұрын
1965 the synthesizer was here, AND by 1970, we were told there will be no more live instrument performance bands by 1990. I feel the same about AI. In that the synthesizer definitely put an end to certain practices within the discipline of music performance, however I own an acoustic drum set in 2024. This was also NOT to be an option since electric kits came out in the 80's
@aleedersartАй бұрын
This video may have just brought me out of an existential crisis. Thank you for this. (Im a traditional artist)
@whowhat.wherewhen2 ай бұрын
The people that work with AI in real life (I have friends who have a tech company that provides AI solutions) are completely abject of any creativity and to be honest, soul or happiness. They live to earn money and for success.
@franciscofeest66912 ай бұрын
What a salty, generalizing and obviously wrong claim. Gee... 🙄
@peka__2 ай бұрын
@@peka__ thats the people I know personally. IDK about anybody else
@franciscofeest66912 ай бұрын
I paint plen air with a group a friends and there are a couple of them who code as a living. I believe it is a minority, IT people tend to deviate from creativity just as painters tend to avoid mathematics. I might be wrong.
@canobenitez2 ай бұрын
@@canobenitezi am so jealous that you have a group of people to do this with
@DrewpyPlats2 ай бұрын
You pulled that out of your ass? Ai is here to make our quality of life extremely better, you have no idea what kind of good ai can bring, yet it has it consequences like loss of jobs, yet you think these people spend all this time learning advanced concepts just to give a middle finger to people? Insane, of course they like the money they earn now, but they started out of passion not greed
@piotrek76332 ай бұрын
the way you pose and the lighting looks so rembrandt
@catoftruth10442 ай бұрын
This really helped with my current art anxiety lol. Just this morning I woke up to more news on how AI is threatening coders now too, and instantly all the worries were brought right back up. Obvious anxiety issues aside, the whole reason I DO things - everything I like really, whether it’s cooking, gardening, social media, and especially art - has always been for the joy of making something. Whether that’s digital art, something tangible, or a community. I’m still learning to not let strangers’ views affect me too much, but it’s always good to have a reminder of why I like doing any of it in the first place. It’s for me, and for simply making something. AI can never take that away
@fyrefae7442 ай бұрын
What a beautiful video you created. The lighting and colours make it look like an old masters painting. Thank you for your insights and the encouragement you bring to the art community. Very restful viewing.
@jadeosprey7908Ай бұрын
Just yesterday, I was thinking about how the more advanced AI/generative images become, the more magical human drawing or painting looks. It's amazing, isn't it - there is nothing but a blank surface and some color mud, or coal -and no computer at all - yet a person can create images! I think it is going to become more fascinating as time goes by :D
@milisavban2 ай бұрын
well sometimes we use computers
@cryingwatercolours81272 ай бұрын
Sure, but it gets the point across better the way I said it :) @@cryingwatercolours8127
@milisavban2 ай бұрын
I really don't care if AI can generate perfect images. I like seeing imperfections in art. It makes them feel human and relatable.
@excalibro83652 ай бұрын
@@excalibro8365the ai can make imperfections if you simply ask it to
@Synthesia-ef7hjАй бұрын
Your videos look like works of art. Love your style.
@kirtjames1353Ай бұрын
Been subbed for a while. You have put out captivating narratives time after time. Not to mention, I enjoy seeing your work.
@thomassynths2 ай бұрын
your framing is a master piece
@dr_selby2 ай бұрын
Man you really cooked with that color grading
@julius40542 ай бұрын
I don't know if it's edited but your room gives me so warm and cool vibes I love it
@eshcroft39422 ай бұрын
glad you mentioned Hockney's ipad work, before that he was part of a documentary called Painting with light (1986), open culture might have it to watch, where you have traditional artists trying out an early digital tablet, a quantel paintbox, it's crucial to get into material like that and think about it, understand what was going on, they were open and ready to play around with it in 86, what can it do and not do for them; pixar's computer animated luxo jr. was also in 1986, out there along side bill plymton's hand-drawn animation, Miyazaki, and the brothers quay stop motion
@drawinghorseproject2 ай бұрын
At what point do the tools no longer need the artists? And is it still art then??
@drawingmomentumАй бұрын
What a great video. I will remember and, likely, mention your channel in my own future episodes. Thank you.
@derectumart46842 ай бұрын
I really enjoy your thoughts. Respect!
@jobautomation2 ай бұрын
I just finished The Morels by Christopher Hacker; musing about art and expression and then came across this. So much to contemplate. Beautiful musings as always, thank for sharing!!
@clementine56722 ай бұрын
Loved this reflection. Thank you.
@Fueledchaos2 ай бұрын
6:13 How long is the timewindow each do you get this stunning mood? Do you wait for sun to shine just to filme these shots? Just adds so much atmosphere to the said things :) Or is it some kind of post effect /setup? Looks liek a painting or a still frame of a great russian movie like from Stalker.
@hellerart2 ай бұрын
what if i told you it's Ai!? 🙂 No, it's the morning light by my desk. I would say I got about 40 minutes on this sunny day but only get this shot in winter when the sun is low. You can see i'm gradually more slumped in my chair to stay in the light as it rises. You need a decent camera with a higher dynamic range as it's a very high contrast shot (this is on Fuji XH2S), then I brought the highlights down and the shadows up a bit in Davinci Resolve.
@samhamper2 ай бұрын
What lens did you use? The colors are beautiful!!
@klaustrussel2 ай бұрын
Viltrox 13mm f1.4 for x mount
@samhamper2 ай бұрын
@@samhamper Thank you man, what an amazing photography
@klaustrussel2 ай бұрын
This video has such good compositon my god
@NoradNoxtus6 күн бұрын
The cries of stealing definitely ARE valid. It's really not a matter of uncertainty.
@MrDublemАй бұрын
5:10 came to the same sort of conclusion. Artists, who get paid, are paid for working for someone else, when they could work for themselves, improving personally, creating value that goes beyond what AI takes from them. If all you have is your artstyle, you're not artist, you're artisan Also, I think modern media industry sucks bc everyone is working on someone else's vision. No one has a clear vision of what they're going to make, but they're paid to work on it, so everyone does what they think is appropriate, and there's no common direction
@mnzznxplay9747Ай бұрын
To me you make tons of sense. What has been shocking me is just how uniformed some of my fellow artists are about art though. They seem to sort of know what they do and that's it. I realised that before AI I didnt see many interesting discussions by artists about art online, just people posting what they have created. AI has at least started a conversation which I think is a good thing, but Im finding if I mention things like the struggles the Impressionists had getting accepted, or how Dada experimented with automatism and collage I just get met with a wall of silence - it doesnt seem to even mean anything to many of the artists Im talking with. Obviously they must know something about art more generally because you can usually see clear influences of a few well known artists in their paintings, but thats as far as it often goes. So its refreshing and very enjoyable just listening to you talk about art.
@PeterHollinghurst2 ай бұрын
Your problem is that you're conflating art history with art practice. To take it hypothetical, is it equally disappointing to you if a professional framing carpenter, whose job is to lay up the walls in your house, doesnt know the historic provenance and development of house framing? I would imagine it would be minimal, if at all disappointing. What matters is that they don't fuck up the job. Primarily whats on their mind is the intricacies of craft, not the history behind it. Its "working knowledge"- exactly enough to get the job done. Or, maybe their field of art historic expertise is just different than what you were taught. Im sure there's people out there who could catalog the complete development and chart sample maps across the entire span of major vaporwave or hip-hop works, but would go blank when asked what figured bass is used for.
@maiteleАй бұрын
@@maiteleIn a way you are underlining my point - there is a difference between somebody who is just doing a job (in this can, they are able to draw) and someone who is informed and passionate about it (they can draw but they also love art). Its not about if they know the same things I know about art, its that so many are not even interested. In the case of music, look at the range of music professional musicians are influenced by and thus clearly listen to and even often directly reference in their music. Art and music do not happen in a cultural vacuum. Its been pretty fundamental throughout the history of art for artists to learn about the art that has gone before them - thats why if you go to art galleries you will see people sitting painting copies of the art works - its traditionally how artists learned to paint. You gained an appreciation of the tradition and techniques that inform your profession. Of course people can just draw, but I think its sad if they do not have any interest in the wider context of what they are doing.
@PeterHollinghurstАй бұрын
Just visually beautiful video all round
@inthemakingcaАй бұрын
What sucks is that the generated things get into spaces where artist, digital and traditional, tend to look for quick reference photos and alike. Blacklists are a good thing and training your eye to spot fakes is also a good and nescessary thing. (also dunno if it's my reading or not, but as someone who tends to work in digital medium... I still kinda get of a bit of slight assholishness in takes as "traditional painting and drawing is safer and better now than digital". I get you didn't want (hopefully) to sound like that but there is a tinge of suppiriority I feel)
@masterzoroark66642 ай бұрын
Great video. Thank you keep it up!
@BingusDad2 ай бұрын
i noticed with the dawn of Ai, professional artists are being more helpful to start up artists and have been giving more and more helpful art advice, ive seen an explosion of free tutorials and anatomy help which has been really lovely- the community is changing, it was compassionate before but its being way more compassionate now.
@MizzFujinАй бұрын
That's a nice shot sir
@HowlGough2 ай бұрын
AI generators/AI Art is considered fine if it's just for something worthless or personal recreational. I like what my DnD group said about it: "We support genuine artists, it's just that the characters we have don't have an attachment to us at the moment. We'll commission when the campaign ends and if the characters grew on us."
@hexaldecima6839Ай бұрын
2:13 boom, powerful. Thank you!
@MartaSpendowskaАй бұрын
A bit of a side topic (but just as valid as any !) : I am looking for a reliable, flexible desk lamp. Would you recommend the one seen at 5:36 ?
@piorism2 ай бұрын
Drawing will survive AI, just not on a commercial level. Nobody will keep you from drawing for what it really matters: for expression. You just can't make a living off it anymore.
@NorthstriderGamingАй бұрын
You've said some profound arguments for why art will survive ai. If ai could walk for us, would we stop walking? That says it all. I still draw pictures for the enjoyment of it. When drawing, you get to notice things like details in a model you're looking at, or how your hand, arm, and shoulder feel while moving the pencil. When I use ai to make art, I type a prompt on the keyboard, click generate, and get a picture. It's a different experience.
@Unlucky13ificationАй бұрын
Bowie fan? Funny, at about the five minute mark that bowie clip started playing in my head, and a minute or so later, hey presto you included it. Very nice video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@samdavepollardАй бұрын
I could listen to you all day
@MrPhinausАй бұрын
One of the things i'm worried the most, is those children who will be told by their families (more than ever before!) that pursuing a career in art is "a waste of time", thus possibly breaking their hearts forever.
@shsz1984Ай бұрын
I agree with you! I was going to write a paper on AI art, and your video is extremely insightful.
@user-ec6vf7zq9j2 ай бұрын
3:34 This statement is not strictly correct. Every year more toddlers use iPads and don't use physical art supplies. I bet it's possible to graduate from many high schools without using physical art supplies. I think the most memorable and meaningful AI art I've seen was generated a couple years ago when AI tools were first becoming available to the general public. It was entitled "Checkmate Artists". Juan Brufal makes images that both don't look AI generated and don't look like an amateur did them . He uses a variety of brushstrokes or application methods. If you look at some of his more complex pieces, you might get the impression that he is consciously trying to make images that stand out from contemporary AI generated images. It will be interesting to see how successful AI tools become at generating images that resemble folk, outsider, and "amateur" art.
@harrison87492 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@dM-ij1we2 ай бұрын
I imagine having bots that can outplay any human on competitive gaming, and eventually in physical sports. Astounding human level feats will become commonplace with AI, yet AI will not cheapen these accomplishments. Art will likely be similar. There will be art as produce, but also art as art. The two have always been different, and will become increasingly different. Being lessor does not make one less meaningful. Your children will never be the best, but that's not reason to stop loving them.
@blazearmoru2 ай бұрын
love yes.. pay ? maybe
@bluedragontoybash24632 ай бұрын
But this is a misleading point. Nobody is claiming people will stop drawing and painting because of AI, the issue here is that professionals will lose their jobs, their talents gone to waste as they rot in a different job they hate from which they come back home too tired to pick up a pencil or a brush.
@nefariouswatcher2 ай бұрын
@@nefariouswatcher You're right, I might have been misleading a bit so to your point specifically I'll give three off the cuff rebuttals. 1. Some activities are undesireable to the point ppl have to be paid to do them, and others are so desireable that people pay to do them. Follow that line of logic 2. We've heard this line of argument every single time a new invention occured, including socrates time when lecturers got mad at books. If you want to make this point, make it for everyone including nonhuman animals. I'm still waiting for artists (of every generation) who stood in the way of new artists (photographers for one example) to pay for reparations. It seems like no one cares about this point but is instead caring about the slightly different point of 'main character syndrome' 3. You're making a lot of assumptions to 1, talents not being generalizable 2, workhours and intensity of work increasing, 3, people won't be interested in human art.
@blazearmoru2 ай бұрын
@nefariouswatcher And all by people that imo don't appreciate the medium, and only see it as a just consumeristic product. It also imo is easy to make into laziness due to those I met who claimed to use it to skip steps like shading. I also feel it also is part of that enforcement of seeing art as a hobby, not something to make a job, as one unironically called em parasites. I'm one who delve to digital and traditional and prefer to produce. I enjoy it.
@darkzeroprojects42452 ай бұрын
@@blazearmoru 1. This line of logic doesn't apply to art because it's not something people who do it hate doing. On the contrary, artists often sacrifice their very financial safety because they love doing it so much that they're willing to suck it up and go underpaid and exploited to no end. It's a labor of love and now even the possibility of getting paid for it is under threat. The reason people pay for art is because they want it but don't have the skill or time to develop the skill because their vocation is elsewhere. This rebuttal of yours is completely bogus and an insult to life itself. 2. What are you even saying here? Read it out loud, you're not making any sense, try to reword it. 3. ... See #2 again, what are you even saying? Are you having a concussion? How am I assuming the work hours and intensity of work increasing due to... AI? What? That's nowhere near the ballpark of anything I'm saying, where are you getting this stuff from? And of course people will be interested in human art even after AI, that wasn't my point either. My point was that if entertainment companies and corporations can replace artists with AI to save a buck, they will, and to this point, none of your rebuttals make any sense.
@nefariouswatcher2 ай бұрын
It's not AI. I keep saying this, over and over: it is a machine. The machine has no will, no volition, no opinion, it is incapable of ideation. All of that comes from a human being. The machine, like any machine, requires an operator. And it will then do whatever it does, faster and better than the operator could. Faster than ANYONE could. But not BETTER. We've had the assembly line for over a century, and "handmade" still matters. It always will. We've had the linotype and the printing press and silkscreen for decades. But people still hire artists, and buy original art, and they've never stopped. You can get any of Frazetta's paintings on a poster, but people still pay exorbitant amounts for the originals. And the camera was going to destroy the livelihoods of painters, remember? Who would buy a portrait when they could just take a picture? Who would spend the time painting a landscape, when they could just pull out their camera? Well, you can paint portraits of people who don't exist, and landscapes of places that don't exist. "The machine can do that." I hear you saying. "You ask for a person or place that doesn't exist and it farts one out in just a few seconds." Yeah. It's just not the one you were thinking of. And if you are a shitty artist, maybe the machine has farted out something BETTER than you were thinking of, but if you are even a MODERATELY trained artist all it has done is fucked up. Art is taking the thing in your head and putting it into the world. The machine absolutely sucks at this, because it can't see the thing in your head. You have to explain it, in detail, which is AT LEAST as hard as painting the fucking thing yourself. We're BETTER than the machine. We'll never be FASTER than the machine. And at some point in the relatively near future, we will start to see people with years of experience operating the machine who can get it to do exactly what they want. But those people, like photographers, will be stuck working with what the machine can do - and they'll gravitate mostly to what it does well. The artist's field is limitless. It is bounded only by the human imagination, which is not bounded at all. This is a technical analysis, not a philosophical one. You've handled the philosophical end well; people do not really want the picture you paint, they want you to have painted it. They want that connection, that bridge, between their eyes and your hands. To appreciate art is to connect with another human being. We may, in the future, be able to feel that connection with something that came out of a machine - we certainly do with photographs - but we will need to feel the artist within the result. We will need this machine operator's work to be distinctively different from that machine operator's work. We aren't just not there yet, we're actively trying to never get there. We want the machine to do what it does independently of the operator, so it doesn't matter how good the operator is. What we want is to press the "art" button and be applauded for our hard work when we show off the picture we didn't work for, and that is never going to happen. And the people pressing the button don't understand why.
@cdarklock2 ай бұрын
We're machines too, but with smaller parts. Look close enough at cell organelles, DNA strands, proteins, atoms. None of these are sentient or alive by themselves. Put enough parts together and something magical happens: *life emerges.* I see no reason why this isn't possible with inorganic entities. Their neural networks have trillions of connections. To be clear, I'm not saying current AI achieves this... just that it's not categorically impossible like you suggest. My claim is simply ignorance in the face of possibility.
@Maioubi2 ай бұрын
@@Maioubi What's impossible - and the ONLY thing I've said is impossible here - is that you can push a button and be praised for your hard work. Because it's not your work. No matter what that button may do, the work that comes out of the machine is not yours. You may as well demand accolades for clicking "Print." If you didn't make the thing that gets printed, nobody is going to praise you for it. Making the machine more capable - whether by making it intelligent or by making it alive, two completely unrelated proposals, neither of which is going to happen anytime soon - is a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem.
@cdarklock2 ай бұрын
@@cdarklock I'll defer to your expertise. You probably have an advanced degree in computer science or machine learning based on the confidence with which you speak. I only have a bachelor's in CS with a focus on ML, designing AI systems for just over a decade. My views on the evolution of various model architectures and their internal world representations are limited by my inexperience.
@Maioubi2 ай бұрын
@@Maioubi Not a contest you'd win, but also not the right contest. New eyes are exactly what the field needs. Calcified old farts like me are not. But regardless, the problem I'm talking about isn't in any way related to the field. The people who want to make art with a machine do not want the art. They want the attention and admiration of other people, and they don't understand why they aren't getting it. They think if they had a better machine, that would fix the problem. It won't.
@cdarklock2 ай бұрын
I like your Caravaggio style lighting
@EstebanLopez-pc3jqАй бұрын
Great points as ever - novelty for the sake of novelty will rarely satisfy as art which is where we currently stand with a lot of AI productions. That frustration with the machines second-guessing our intent could lead to more human-made personal art springing up 🤷♂
@stevefarnworth2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video.
@bygollystudio8567Ай бұрын
Nice... I agree. I trust the collective will tire in time of industrial Art and those who find joy in the process that continue, could be the Trend of Tomorrow.
@leilathigpen3092 ай бұрын
there's something to say about how drawing with something like procreate is only possible because of the realtime feedback loop between human input and software output. As AI gets faster, I have no doubt we will move away from text prompts and start communicating visual ideas to AI via reatime drawing input. Drawing will survive AI
@Cjzzl420Ай бұрын
love your videos
@CustomHorror2 ай бұрын
0:38 This piece started from AI but was worked on quite a bit by a human artist
@tundranone83662 ай бұрын
Oh man these visuals 😍
@gracemurrayart2 ай бұрын
If here will be painters who will paint, paintings won't be ever dead.
@einarjungmann2732 ай бұрын
I love this piece. This is something I have been pondering , and reflecting on for the last 18months. I am sure all artists are in the same boat. What am I doing it all for? The end result? Validation? Fortunately, I love the process of drawing. My commercial work may dissipate, but I will always survive. I think of art as another true freedom, akin to what Frankl talks about in Man’s Search For Meaning. You can take away everything from a man, but you can’t take away how he thinks and expresses himself. Drawing is democratic and so easily accessible
@joelebsworth42592 ай бұрын
It depends!
@chrisbenn2 ай бұрын
hahaha david hotney is exactly the kind of artist i like, he sees a new medium and is like "oh it's great! no cleanup, everything's right there!"
@Kavukamari2 ай бұрын
Glad to see someone else who agrees with me on this. Art fun and enjoyable to do, and some AI supposedly doing it "better" isn't going to stop or ruin me.
@InAHollowTree2 ай бұрын
Well, I am an artist who do most of my art digitally for work for almost all the time. Considering that, my traditional art level is very basic. But I want to impress a girl so I decided to make a portrait of her using traditional method. Yup, I want her to see the effort. I am currently studying traditional drawing and oftentimes it's frustrating when I can't do it right. But I know I can finish the portrait in time. I guess that's what separates human artists from AI. The imperfections, the journey, the story of an art, makes you appreciate a human work.
@alrizo11152 ай бұрын
My take is that if an illustrator feels threatened by an AI, it only points out the quality of work he produces.
@JonnyRobbieАй бұрын
100% agree with this video, hes spot on
@brianmaiden72732 ай бұрын
AI can create art that looks amazing but it won't make me enjoy the fact that someone feels something that manifests in something that speaks to me. Art is more social than people think. It's about shared values and sharing emotions and thoughts with other people.
@nocultist70502 ай бұрын
Well, that was fucking beautiful. Thank you.
@fergal24242 ай бұрын
Lovely. I agree. It is as simple as the fact people are still drawing and painting portraits, even since we got photography for a really long time. No matter how many artificial Lensa portraits you can have the ai generated, a photo by a real photographer is always more real. And a real painting, where you can feel the paint, see the brushes, surpasses that by a million miles.
@HoofCreaition2 ай бұрын
Wow lighting
@jayantbhatt007Ай бұрын
Famous last words 😉
@djtomoy2 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who thinks the man is really into an video art and speaking to us?! 🤯
@appushivarajeprasad5039Ай бұрын
3D modeling / sculpting will survive Ai.
@keremgo3d2 ай бұрын
great vid m8
@devereal42292 ай бұрын
People keep saying that ai wont replace artists but as someone who did art commissions, it very much has Ever since the first trend of EVERYONE making AI profile pictures, my career was basically over 'cause my clients just started generating their own by feeding in art i drew for them before, they didn't need me anymore
@shadowm2k7Ай бұрын
Did you purposely set up the lighting in this shot to look like a painting?
@redmoondesignbeth91192 ай бұрын
thats true! ai art will never be timeless
@ivy4360Ай бұрын
Things are truly going to get weird! I agree with you in the hobby sense, however I feel like AI will be used in commercial settings, especially in my world of comics. There has just this past day been rumblings of AI being used in the current mainline Batman series, so I feel like we're on the event horizon and about to tip over.
@LearnComicsWithPancake2 ай бұрын
The reason why the economy of art matters is because it allows people who are perhaps not quite as well off an opportunity to create on a scale they otherwise would not be able to. And that is the most important thing that may be lost by AI leaving nothing but those with the financial privilege to pursue anything more than your average kitchen table sketch.
@Geostationary0rbit2 ай бұрын
Great thoughts on AI but also art in general. Just happen to see this when it popped up here in the Stats late at night making art.
@desp2rog2 ай бұрын
Robot hands are already here.
2 ай бұрын
Perfect point, no one talks about Ai art without speaking about art economy. When did art become accounting?
@squirrelhallowino292 ай бұрын
The thing about ai art, its very hard or kind of a hassle to make small changes to the art. The artist will easilly understand the changes or corrections you want to make but an ai.... well its frustrating. I only used open ai and midjourney.
@anthonyt2192 ай бұрын
I love this video so much, I've been echoing these same sentiments to my friend groups. Gonna just send people this video going forward lol. I feel such a lovely connection to the art you produce. Thanks for sharing this
@mantlion_2 ай бұрын
Paradoxically AI art will make original (hand made art) more valuable.
@seanodaniels397Ай бұрын
You are right, I know it.
@user-bv3hy7tl6p2 ай бұрын
The problem was never that AI would replace all artists. All corporations will use artificial intelligence as an excuse to cut the wages of all artists, designers, musicians, etc. And of course, when it comes to copyright, the works of ordinary people are common property and those of companies like Disney are private property.
@Viktor_Git2 ай бұрын
Great thumbnail
@inthemakingcaАй бұрын
People are focused on the economy of art simply because it's a livelihood for millions of us. Of course I won't stop drawing entirely because of AI, but it is likely to cost me my job/career eventually. So while I might even enjoy drawing a bit more if it becomes just a hobby, I'm not sure I'll appreciate it while living under a bridge. And what about art education? Artists will be increasingly self taught hobbyists, because only a crazy person would go study painting from now on. Who will teach it when the current greats die? In general I am not comforted by this.
@JanPospisilArt2 ай бұрын
I go to an art university and there’s thousands of us doing art degrees, there are plenty of people still pursuing art and building a community and I hope it will stay that way. A world without art is a world not worth living in I was very close to dropping out but I decided to stay until i graduate because it’s worth it to be surrounded by fellow creatives before the world renders human individuality obsolete as seems to be the direction it wants to head
@pleb81542 ай бұрын
Industrial level copium in this video
@reznv2 ай бұрын
he brought up some pretty fair points wym
@Qoxvjskabzfaizb2 ай бұрын
The point is that AI will make extremely difficult to get a living out of art. A lot of the entry level jobs that allows artist to get experience and a foot in the industry will disappear. We will always be able to make art to express ourselves and to satisfy our need for creation, but I see more and more companies substituting human artists with Ai crap. If there isn't any way to live off our art, it will become an activity that only elites with access to higher education and leisure time will be able to cultivate :( Many people forget that a lot of the art we celebrate today, like many reinassance paintings and sculptures, were actually COMMISSIONED pieces, by noble patreons and the church.
The further we go with AI art, the more it makes me question what about art actually appeals to me. I think I don't even like art. I just like people making things.
I'm starting to feel the same way.
For some time people mislabeled art, elevate their ego as artists and be a snob about craft. A lot of times if something is handmade with passion someone will see the art in it. I’m still waiting for A.I. to compose a piece of music that makes people cry. It may happen and put a lot of people out of work. Should that piece of music be looked down on? It doesn’t take away from someone working passionately on their own music and hearing an A.I. tune for inspiration. What’s interesting are jobs that allow people to develop their craft going to A.I. or people preferring to buy A.I. in a blind choice over human.
I like humans doing a human thing because I am human
That's it though. Art has value because it's pleasing but also usually an admimirable skill and the fact it's made by a person. Ai art will be worthless. Basically only useful for TV and movies and maybe advertisements etc. No one will be selling AI art in store for more than basically the cost of the canvas and paint. No go mention AI just copies, so if won't ever have any originality. It can only combine existing components.
@@Larimuss I worked for a guy that would see what sells at art shows, have other people copy it and then sell it off at his store as his own art. I quit for many reasons but years later talked with a potter that worked for the same guy. Was told the business owner wanted the potter to teach his original techniques to new employees and his time around this business owner ruined his passion for pottery. Some people saw through him but his business did very well. Sometimes there are people at farmer’s markets that sell from standard corporate distributors. It cuts into true farmers. Also A.I. art has already won awards. Yes, their are people who like buying things other people can’t and will see A.I. as just copies with no monetary value but by winning awards it does.
I agree philosophically here, but let's be realistic: being artists for a living is a dream for so many people, and now they're getting kicked out of their dream jobs in favor of AI because it's faster and cheaper. Having to find a different job will in turn make them unfulfilled and less productive (because they will dedicate their day to something entirely different and probably be too tired at the end of the day to pick up a pen). THAT'S what's at stake here. This horrible waste of talent and potential. And that's why I'm adamantly against AI and want it regulated into the ground, if not entirely destroyed.
I agree with your point but i think it should be clear that just because the idea of being a working artist is some peoples dream does not mean its not a real job. Its a realer job than most to be honest, and there's a whole lot lost in companies switching to ai over people other than just an illustration. The artists are the thinkers and problem solvers who use their collective experience to create everything that we watch or play or look at for entertainment.
@@reltcstone2 Oh, it's absolutely a real job, I didn't mean as it "unreal," rather, it's so incredibly hard to get yet people who get it are so passionate and caring about it that it's the stuff of dreams, even if the pay isn't the best. My bank took a hit the moment I decided to take art seriously and started filling financial gaps with other gigs rather than sticking to a 9-5 job. Why? Because it has always been my dream to be an artist, and now it's a goal I can pursue (with much sacrifice, but worth it).
@@nefariouswatcherYeah thats fair, I've been there, and i understand. I'm a concept artist myself.
What a backward idea. If everyone thought that way, we'd still be sending letters instead of having the internet. We need to go with the flow of the world, not against it. AI won't replace real artists, they'll just use it to their advantage.
@@Clodd1 no they won't omg. Did you even dive into the subject? How can you use ai to your advantage if even now people unrelated to art generate something in 10 minutes and use it for their ad? How can you use ai to your advantage, when ai takes the biggest advantage of an artist aka joy of creation? How can you use ai to your advantage if BIG COMPANIES use ai generated art without any artist intervention and little people care? How can you use it to your advantage if everyone can simply do it for their advantage aswell, won't that make an oversaturated market of digital art? AI won't replace artists, but it will 100% totally reduce job positions by alot, only the best of the best will stay to work with it like Bo chen in league of legends or other principal/senior artists. And what does that give us? That's right, people cant earn money from their passion, meaning they have to focus on something else and keep art a minor hobby otherwise they'll gamble on life, because prodigies that draw since birth and are extremely good at it will take all of the jobs, there's no place for decency in the coming years in art. If you think artists will get hired as much as now to edit ai images, then youre insane or something. Of course we have to adapt to technology but right now its a painful problem to many people. We also need to make sure that technology doesn't take our lives from us, it's meant to HELP us, makes our lives better not take what makes us happy and human from us, generated art might be crucial to future artificial inteligence functionalities, but releasing this to the public should put altman in front of court, that's literally terrorism, openai contributed to destroying many people's lifes and ambitions, for what exactly? For 12 to kids to generate will smith eating spaghetti? It's used commercialy,for memes, and for undressing people. AMAZING. It was totally worth it right, we cant surely live without this tech. It has big positives for ai development and big negatives for society, so WHY THE FUCK DID THEY RELEASE IT? I see it as equivalent as sharing military tech blueprints to the public, totally unresponsible and openai should get it consequences for contributing to sharing dangerous tech, for using nonprofit datasets for profit, and for contributing to decreasing quality of life for many people. Let more responsible people develop AI for god's sake, they have all the money they could dream of from chatgpt, and now they want 7 trillion$ to create some sort of ARASAKA semiconductor monopoly, and plan on releasing sora which will destroy THE INTERNET, not only artists but the whole internet mind you, ai generated videos used by trolls scammers and manipulators will be such a pain that openai should be criticized not applauded
It's not about art as a means to express oneself, it's about the ever-shrinking job market for creatives. In fact, the job market for all those who sit behind the computer screen will rapidly shrink within the next few years, and there won't be any new job that arises to replace them.
My white collar job in a non-creative field is doneski as well, there will be no such thing as auditors in 2 years time. There are people who just started a coding or accounting degree who won't have a job by the time they finish. I just manage to be a bit more realistic about it without getting angry.
That is true for physical jobs as well, the only reason why physical labor wasn't replaced by robots yet is lack of good enough AI.
Honestly if you're talented and creative and you don't monetize your talent or at least freelance you're not looking out for yourself and best interests why are you relying on a job in 2024 with talent?
The job market for those not behind a computer screen is also shrinking. Automation has been replacing human jobs for a long time. AI is just a drop on the ocean by comparison.
Let's not kid ourselves; the billionaire parasites have said that they'll eliminate up to 80% of ALL jobs with AI and robotics within ten years. They're even hellbent on getting rid of doctors, nurses and teachers so that second opinions no longer exist. Not a world I want to live in!
Drawing will survive and the traditional idea of being an artist but historically artists were also artisans and did jobs they loved that were relevant to the times they live in eg painting churches etc That idea of being an artist that is relevant to the time they live in, contributing to the creation of the character of society around them and being praised for it is very much threatened by ai.
Which is why we need tighter local communities too. AI art will never decorate your neighbourhood backdoor alleys, nor will it be used to create wall art or grafitis in your smaller town or even anywhere that isn't in the rich part of a city, etc. Local gardens and local libraries probably want to hire local graphic designers or local artists for their posters, newsletter and panflets too.
"...what i have not drawn, i have never really seen" This quote really captures my thoughts about sculpting. You never really notice all the details of something until you try to sculpt it, you get so much insight on what that thing looks like, every minute detail that you can later draw it from any persoective from memory. When you just look at thins in your day to day life you generalize and group things, you only notice the most importsnt things about an object, but when you start illustrating or sculpting it you hsve to deconstruct it completely and you finally see it for what it is.
Of course Ai won't replace artist and drawings but what it will replace is commecial art and that's where the money and career is for majority of the people that interested in art.
I mean just become an creative and create your own stories and such and use ai for the menial labour. If you are just an printer then you dont deserve the job.
Exactly
Exactly. Just like the horse and carriage got replaced by the car. Sure, we still have horse and carriages. Even some limited commercial use! But where in the past everyone used horses and carriages. Now it's commercially viable for a select few. And the same with what he's explaining. There will be masters that can still make the most amazing pieces and be financially successful. But let's say about 90-99% or so of artists will not be able to make a living anymore like they do now. For most people, it will be reduced to a hobby. .. Anecdotal example. I was a Webdesigner. I ran a 2 man company with a friend. We aimed at small sites for small companies. Along came the flood of "make a site yourself" wave with things like squarespace. Not quite Ai, but it is digital automation. We had to stop. He went on to branding for big companies. Still does. And I ended up changing career, reschooling to skipper. We'll stil see man-made art. It will carry some extra significance. But commercially? The market will shrink. Even if it's just artists being faster to work with Ai assistance. And thus, requiring less artists.
Dont worry, AI will come for any commercial activity making a new organization system for humanity with a new found freedom from the necessity of making something commercially viable
AI is cheap and no one likes it. It will be used for tacky KZhead thumbnails, memes, profile pics, and newsletter illustrations. That’s about it.
Thats a little bit like saying that in the era of corporate, globalized popmusic, playing the violin will have profound meaning and voice. Does it?
Perhaps. But I do think that it's not delving how the corporate, globalized, and such are part of the problems of modern tech and such.
Joshua Bell in New York subway. No one even paid attention.
Ai will dominate all the corporate commercial arts and such to the extent that there is no point doing art, except for the sheer expression and joy of it.
@@PrincessKushana Well so far it doesnt look like it AT ALL. The polls show that overwhelming majority of the public prefers "human made" output and distrusts AI generators, several big brands burned their hands big time when releasing even partially AI generated visuals. Not to mention the huge problem with a) resolution and output quality b) IP and copyright - somehow no big brand wants to be represented by visuals that have ZERO copyright protection, I wonder why.
It does for many many people, yes.
So what I gather isn’t that AI will replace artists, rather that it will just become more elitist to be an artist and that it’ll be commercially unviable for a majority of artists, especially in poorer areas of the world. It takes money to live and not everyone is dealt a hand where they can have a good balance between work and being an artist. I consider myself lucky to be able to do my art as I please but most of my artist friends have had to give up cause they don’t have enough time anymore and they barely make enough to get by. They long to express themselves. As an artist, I imagine it must be true hell
I work in engineering, and this kind of problem predate A.I. art. Many of my friends cannot afford to work in STEM, and they went where the money's at, business, marketing, and they just used their Engineering diploma to impress hiring managers. So, I would say it is more about capitalism in general than just A.I. art. Capitalism doesn't see a value of good quality of life, something both art and science brings. A.I. art is a perfect artist for Capitalism, fast, low cost, no human need, it doesn't matter if it is bad, it just needs to be profitable. It doesn't want a refrigerator that last a lifetime and uses the least electricity, it doesn't want a painting depicting the artist childhood struggle and how they overcame it, it wants refrigerators made as cheap as possible and break as soon as the warrantee expires, and a picture that people will buy 30 of them and then throws away in less day a year.
For most of humanity, artists have either been very rich people (so they have free time), very poor people (they sacrifice everything else for art), or people who do it as a hobby. The last decades have been incredibly privileged time for artists compared to any other time. Art is about expressing oneself. If all you do is do art then everything you can express is doing art. This is why many of the most loved singers/actors/artists have had other lives before doing art because they actually have experience that most people relate to.
art is a commodity not a necesity, this would have happened with or without AI, sooner or later
@@EarthWingedDragon Capitalism along with technological progression gave most people on earth the highest living standards ever. I work full time as a programmer, make below my country's median wage and am partly helping with providing care for my elderly grandmother and I still have time to draw after work or play games with friends or go outside on the weekends. Just because you can't spend all day drawing what you want doesn't mean you have it bad, most commercial artists can't draw what they want without investing much of their free time.
@@CheeseOfMasters Your argument doesn't prove anything except you have a decently good life. My argument is saying that good quality of life (related to science and art) is not the aim of Capitalism, which is profit. Certain products of Capitalism are against good quality of life, such as endless short video scrolling or gamer energy drink. And that is why AI is the perfect, the better artist in Capitalism. Even if it makes worse arts, It can and will replace human artists because Capitalism as a system thrive on devaluing and controlling workers. Everyone should think about AI, which does a worse job and is less innovative, replacing them, including scientists. AI already start to replace some hiring managers even if it does worse job, such as rejecting candidate with a gap in resume, but the gap was for education or something that is valuable.
As an amateur artist, a funny thing happened to me during the rise of gen AI. I began to appreciate human made artwork so much more. In fact, it’s reignited a creative passion in me. Using Midjourney is cool, but I mainly use it now to create wallpaper.
I think that traditional will not only survive, but it will thrive.
Yeah, I feel like the more AI art develops the more I'm seeing people appreciate traditional or human made art
I've been wondering for a while how long it'll be before a youtuber into AI art makes a video where they say, "Today I want to tell you all about these things I've discovered called pencils. You can buy them online. And look, you can do this thing called drawing. And you don't need to be online to do it. You can take them, with a thing called a pad of paper, anywhere you want." And the comments will all be like, "Wow, that's crazy man. Going to get some of these for sure. More vids on this please."
@@samdavepollardtheres ais that you can scribble out a rough outline and itll make art from, theyll probably just talk about that instead of using actual pencils
I feel like you kinda missed the forest for the trees here. The reason why artist dont like AI because it WILL take jobs away from humans and unfortunately in our world we need to have a job to survive and the only way for a person to be able to dedicate themselves fully to art is to have money and you can only have money if you have a job (or are born rich). If people didnt need money to survive literally no one would care about AI because ITS NOT REPLACING ARTIST ITS REPLACING CREATIVE JOBS. So TLDR: Less people will have opportunities to dedicate themselves fully to art because they will have to get a second job to support themselves.
So true. Homemade jam and clothes are still being made today and arguably are thriving. The problem is people need a job to live so they can't use their time/lives for what is meaningful for them. This isn't a new problem though as only a small fraction of 'creatives' actually get to fulfil their purpose, often due to good industry contacts etc. However, isn't AI meant to liberate us from the grind ?
Yep. I'm not a great artist, but i am one. What do i do for a living? I'm a copy editor. It leaves much less time than I'd like for my paintings.
I'm sure, being creative, there are possibilities that could shift sustaining local systems that would meet the needs of the Community. Since 2019 you have to search to find all the many local, township, neighborhood Co-ops that are thriving. It was amazing what can happen with a good idea. 'Working People' skills are what will build our future. Beauty is an important aspect for Human welfare so Artists will play an important part.
And since the billionaire parasites intend on eliminating 80% of all jobs within 5-10 years using robotics and AI, that leaves us all where, exactly?
@@billyliar1614it seems to be "liberating" us from what makes life worth living first and foremost if it's killing creatives before moving onto every other sector. As usual, a handful of billionaires will own the robotics and AI that take over 80% of all jobs. If 80% of all of humanity has no way of earning an income, but is still expected to participate in a consumer based economy, how's that going to work?
HOW DID YOU LIGHT THAT SHOT?? Looks crazy. Love it.
We need to know! 😲
But seriously though! I also was curious about that!
Betting it wasn't with ai! 😂
I am a painter. I am 100% with you. I see beautiful images created by AI using prompts. AI is more like a visual translator, but the Artist is a narrator expressing emotions and feelings that mean something, coming from somewhere, and channeled in a visual image. There is a difference and eventually, people will come to terms with that after the novelty is over.
In my late teens I got more into digital drawing but still enjoyed traditional media. AI has got me back to wanting to create more with traditional media, water color and charcoal are my go to but I've always wanted to get better at oil painting, I think it's time to do that!
Being an artist is already not a reliably profitable job (from what I've seen and heard) and in a few years it might not be a viable option at all, but as long as people want to create, to be inspired, to have fun and to express themselves, drawing, painting and most other types of art will not die. Tho, it's still kinda sad knowing that the job that I've wanted to have since 5th grade might not (or WILL not) be an option
I don't want to sell my art unless i must. Whenever i show someone my sculptures or paintings they tell me about how i could do commission and stuff but that just absolutely obliterates my passion, I don't feel good making art other people want and I don't. I want to make money in order to be able to make art and not the other way around.
i just switched majors from animation to oil painting before watching this video. I was miserable, I felt like I was going to be stuck in an office slaving away. I feel so much more free.
Decoupling money from Art always was and will be the key to comprehend it. Thanx!
spoken like a true priviledged ass. artists deserve to get paid
You *might*be right, but sadly that’s a gross oversimplification of the situation at hand. Artists their desire is to make art, and the only way to survive in the current day is by earning money. Even though art could and would be better if it were separate from money, it’s simply not possible. Since artists wouldn’t be able to earn money through their art and then have to sustain themselves with an unfulfilling job, it would circle back to hurting art again.
Not an attack btw, just trying to show you a different perspective on your take
I am also all for accepting art-making or creative work as work, therefore it should be paid. Just "art" is, like "culture" an indirect variable. You can not "create" culture (only observe or protect or fund or explore it) and you cannot force creativity (Similar to its inverted version: "Now do NOT think about a pink elephant!"). In my field of scenery those music producers that make any OK or decent money are forced to niveau-limbo or just very lucky. Also: Very successful "art" (music?) is not automatically of high value just because it leads the charts. Of course this is simplified, but if you are desperately hunting to find your way to create true art, money stands in the way. And the reality of a health-insurance. @plopplop7112 @@plopplop7112
Too bad for artists who live in a world where you kinda need money to live.
1965 the synthesizer was here, AND by 1970, we were told there will be no more live instrument performance bands by 1990. I feel the same about AI. In that the synthesizer definitely put an end to certain practices within the discipline of music performance, however I own an acoustic drum set in 2024. This was also NOT to be an option since electric kits came out in the 80's
This video may have just brought me out of an existential crisis. Thank you for this. (Im a traditional artist)
The people that work with AI in real life (I have friends who have a tech company that provides AI solutions) are completely abject of any creativity and to be honest, soul or happiness. They live to earn money and for success.
What a salty, generalizing and obviously wrong claim. Gee... 🙄
@@peka__ thats the people I know personally. IDK about anybody else
I paint plen air with a group a friends and there are a couple of them who code as a living. I believe it is a minority, IT people tend to deviate from creativity just as painters tend to avoid mathematics. I might be wrong.
@@canobenitezi am so jealous that you have a group of people to do this with
You pulled that out of your ass? Ai is here to make our quality of life extremely better, you have no idea what kind of good ai can bring, yet it has it consequences like loss of jobs, yet you think these people spend all this time learning advanced concepts just to give a middle finger to people? Insane, of course they like the money they earn now, but they started out of passion not greed
the way you pose and the lighting looks so rembrandt
This really helped with my current art anxiety lol. Just this morning I woke up to more news on how AI is threatening coders now too, and instantly all the worries were brought right back up. Obvious anxiety issues aside, the whole reason I DO things - everything I like really, whether it’s cooking, gardening, social media, and especially art - has always been for the joy of making something. Whether that’s digital art, something tangible, or a community. I’m still learning to not let strangers’ views affect me too much, but it’s always good to have a reminder of why I like doing any of it in the first place. It’s for me, and for simply making something. AI can never take that away
What a beautiful video you created. The lighting and colours make it look like an old masters painting. Thank you for your insights and the encouragement you bring to the art community. Very restful viewing.
Just yesterday, I was thinking about how the more advanced AI/generative images become, the more magical human drawing or painting looks. It's amazing, isn't it - there is nothing but a blank surface and some color mud, or coal -and no computer at all - yet a person can create images! I think it is going to become more fascinating as time goes by :D
well sometimes we use computers
Sure, but it gets the point across better the way I said it :) @@cryingwatercolours8127
I really don't care if AI can generate perfect images. I like seeing imperfections in art. It makes them feel human and relatable.
@@excalibro8365the ai can make imperfections if you simply ask it to
Your videos look like works of art. Love your style.
Been subbed for a while. You have put out captivating narratives time after time. Not to mention, I enjoy seeing your work.
your framing is a master piece
Man you really cooked with that color grading
I don't know if it's edited but your room gives me so warm and cool vibes I love it
glad you mentioned Hockney's ipad work, before that he was part of a documentary called Painting with light (1986), open culture might have it to watch, where you have traditional artists trying out an early digital tablet, a quantel paintbox, it's crucial to get into material like that and think about it, understand what was going on, they were open and ready to play around with it in 86, what can it do and not do for them; pixar's computer animated luxo jr. was also in 1986, out there along side bill plymton's hand-drawn animation, Miyazaki, and the brothers quay stop motion
At what point do the tools no longer need the artists? And is it still art then??
What a great video. I will remember and, likely, mention your channel in my own future episodes. Thank you.
I really enjoy your thoughts. Respect!
I just finished The Morels by Christopher Hacker; musing about art and expression and then came across this. So much to contemplate. Beautiful musings as always, thank for sharing!!
Loved this reflection. Thank you.
6:13 How long is the timewindow each do you get this stunning mood? Do you wait for sun to shine just to filme these shots? Just adds so much atmosphere to the said things :) Or is it some kind of post effect /setup? Looks liek a painting or a still frame of a great russian movie like from Stalker.
what if i told you it's Ai!? 🙂 No, it's the morning light by my desk. I would say I got about 40 minutes on this sunny day but only get this shot in winter when the sun is low. You can see i'm gradually more slumped in my chair to stay in the light as it rises. You need a decent camera with a higher dynamic range as it's a very high contrast shot (this is on Fuji XH2S), then I brought the highlights down and the shadows up a bit in Davinci Resolve.
What lens did you use? The colors are beautiful!!
Viltrox 13mm f1.4 for x mount
@@samhamper Thank you man, what an amazing photography
This video has such good compositon my god
The cries of stealing definitely ARE valid. It's really not a matter of uncertainty.
5:10 came to the same sort of conclusion. Artists, who get paid, are paid for working for someone else, when they could work for themselves, improving personally, creating value that goes beyond what AI takes from them. If all you have is your artstyle, you're not artist, you're artisan Also, I think modern media industry sucks bc everyone is working on someone else's vision. No one has a clear vision of what they're going to make, but they're paid to work on it, so everyone does what they think is appropriate, and there's no common direction
To me you make tons of sense. What has been shocking me is just how uniformed some of my fellow artists are about art though. They seem to sort of know what they do and that's it. I realised that before AI I didnt see many interesting discussions by artists about art online, just people posting what they have created. AI has at least started a conversation which I think is a good thing, but Im finding if I mention things like the struggles the Impressionists had getting accepted, or how Dada experimented with automatism and collage I just get met with a wall of silence - it doesnt seem to even mean anything to many of the artists Im talking with. Obviously they must know something about art more generally because you can usually see clear influences of a few well known artists in their paintings, but thats as far as it often goes. So its refreshing and very enjoyable just listening to you talk about art.
Your problem is that you're conflating art history with art practice. To take it hypothetical, is it equally disappointing to you if a professional framing carpenter, whose job is to lay up the walls in your house, doesnt know the historic provenance and development of house framing? I would imagine it would be minimal, if at all disappointing. What matters is that they don't fuck up the job. Primarily whats on their mind is the intricacies of craft, not the history behind it. Its "working knowledge"- exactly enough to get the job done. Or, maybe their field of art historic expertise is just different than what you were taught. Im sure there's people out there who could catalog the complete development and chart sample maps across the entire span of major vaporwave or hip-hop works, but would go blank when asked what figured bass is used for.
@@maiteleIn a way you are underlining my point - there is a difference between somebody who is just doing a job (in this can, they are able to draw) and someone who is informed and passionate about it (they can draw but they also love art). Its not about if they know the same things I know about art, its that so many are not even interested. In the case of music, look at the range of music professional musicians are influenced by and thus clearly listen to and even often directly reference in their music. Art and music do not happen in a cultural vacuum. Its been pretty fundamental throughout the history of art for artists to learn about the art that has gone before them - thats why if you go to art galleries you will see people sitting painting copies of the art works - its traditionally how artists learned to paint. You gained an appreciation of the tradition and techniques that inform your profession. Of course people can just draw, but I think its sad if they do not have any interest in the wider context of what they are doing.
Just visually beautiful video all round
What sucks is that the generated things get into spaces where artist, digital and traditional, tend to look for quick reference photos and alike. Blacklists are a good thing and training your eye to spot fakes is also a good and nescessary thing. (also dunno if it's my reading or not, but as someone who tends to work in digital medium... I still kinda get of a bit of slight assholishness in takes as "traditional painting and drawing is safer and better now than digital". I get you didn't want (hopefully) to sound like that but there is a tinge of suppiriority I feel)
Great video. Thank you keep it up!
i noticed with the dawn of Ai, professional artists are being more helpful to start up artists and have been giving more and more helpful art advice, ive seen an explosion of free tutorials and anatomy help which has been really lovely- the community is changing, it was compassionate before but its being way more compassionate now.
That's a nice shot sir
AI generators/AI Art is considered fine if it's just for something worthless or personal recreational. I like what my DnD group said about it: "We support genuine artists, it's just that the characters we have don't have an attachment to us at the moment. We'll commission when the campaign ends and if the characters grew on us."
2:13 boom, powerful. Thank you!
A bit of a side topic (but just as valid as any !) : I am looking for a reliable, flexible desk lamp. Would you recommend the one seen at 5:36 ?
Drawing will survive AI, just not on a commercial level. Nobody will keep you from drawing for what it really matters: for expression. You just can't make a living off it anymore.
You've said some profound arguments for why art will survive ai. If ai could walk for us, would we stop walking? That says it all. I still draw pictures for the enjoyment of it. When drawing, you get to notice things like details in a model you're looking at, or how your hand, arm, and shoulder feel while moving the pencil. When I use ai to make art, I type a prompt on the keyboard, click generate, and get a picture. It's a different experience.
Bowie fan? Funny, at about the five minute mark that bowie clip started playing in my head, and a minute or so later, hey presto you included it. Very nice video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I could listen to you all day
One of the things i'm worried the most, is those children who will be told by their families (more than ever before!) that pursuing a career in art is "a waste of time", thus possibly breaking their hearts forever.
I agree with you! I was going to write a paper on AI art, and your video is extremely insightful.
3:34 This statement is not strictly correct. Every year more toddlers use iPads and don't use physical art supplies. I bet it's possible to graduate from many high schools without using physical art supplies. I think the most memorable and meaningful AI art I've seen was generated a couple years ago when AI tools were first becoming available to the general public. It was entitled "Checkmate Artists". Juan Brufal makes images that both don't look AI generated and don't look like an amateur did them . He uses a variety of brushstrokes or application methods. If you look at some of his more complex pieces, you might get the impression that he is consciously trying to make images that stand out from contemporary AI generated images. It will be interesting to see how successful AI tools become at generating images that resemble folk, outsider, and "amateur" art.
Thank you.
I imagine having bots that can outplay any human on competitive gaming, and eventually in physical sports. Astounding human level feats will become commonplace with AI, yet AI will not cheapen these accomplishments. Art will likely be similar. There will be art as produce, but also art as art. The two have always been different, and will become increasingly different. Being lessor does not make one less meaningful. Your children will never be the best, but that's not reason to stop loving them.
love yes.. pay ? maybe
But this is a misleading point. Nobody is claiming people will stop drawing and painting because of AI, the issue here is that professionals will lose their jobs, their talents gone to waste as they rot in a different job they hate from which they come back home too tired to pick up a pencil or a brush.
@@nefariouswatcher You're right, I might have been misleading a bit so to your point specifically I'll give three off the cuff rebuttals. 1. Some activities are undesireable to the point ppl have to be paid to do them, and others are so desireable that people pay to do them. Follow that line of logic 2. We've heard this line of argument every single time a new invention occured, including socrates time when lecturers got mad at books. If you want to make this point, make it for everyone including nonhuman animals. I'm still waiting for artists (of every generation) who stood in the way of new artists (photographers for one example) to pay for reparations. It seems like no one cares about this point but is instead caring about the slightly different point of 'main character syndrome' 3. You're making a lot of assumptions to 1, talents not being generalizable 2, workhours and intensity of work increasing, 3, people won't be interested in human art.
@nefariouswatcher And all by people that imo don't appreciate the medium, and only see it as a just consumeristic product. It also imo is easy to make into laziness due to those I met who claimed to use it to skip steps like shading. I also feel it also is part of that enforcement of seeing art as a hobby, not something to make a job, as one unironically called em parasites. I'm one who delve to digital and traditional and prefer to produce. I enjoy it.
@@blazearmoru 1. This line of logic doesn't apply to art because it's not something people who do it hate doing. On the contrary, artists often sacrifice their very financial safety because they love doing it so much that they're willing to suck it up and go underpaid and exploited to no end. It's a labor of love and now even the possibility of getting paid for it is under threat. The reason people pay for art is because they want it but don't have the skill or time to develop the skill because their vocation is elsewhere. This rebuttal of yours is completely bogus and an insult to life itself. 2. What are you even saying here? Read it out loud, you're not making any sense, try to reword it. 3. ... See #2 again, what are you even saying? Are you having a concussion? How am I assuming the work hours and intensity of work increasing due to... AI? What? That's nowhere near the ballpark of anything I'm saying, where are you getting this stuff from? And of course people will be interested in human art even after AI, that wasn't my point either. My point was that if entertainment companies and corporations can replace artists with AI to save a buck, they will, and to this point, none of your rebuttals make any sense.
It's not AI. I keep saying this, over and over: it is a machine. The machine has no will, no volition, no opinion, it is incapable of ideation. All of that comes from a human being. The machine, like any machine, requires an operator. And it will then do whatever it does, faster and better than the operator could. Faster than ANYONE could. But not BETTER. We've had the assembly line for over a century, and "handmade" still matters. It always will. We've had the linotype and the printing press and silkscreen for decades. But people still hire artists, and buy original art, and they've never stopped. You can get any of Frazetta's paintings on a poster, but people still pay exorbitant amounts for the originals. And the camera was going to destroy the livelihoods of painters, remember? Who would buy a portrait when they could just take a picture? Who would spend the time painting a landscape, when they could just pull out their camera? Well, you can paint portraits of people who don't exist, and landscapes of places that don't exist. "The machine can do that." I hear you saying. "You ask for a person or place that doesn't exist and it farts one out in just a few seconds." Yeah. It's just not the one you were thinking of. And if you are a shitty artist, maybe the machine has farted out something BETTER than you were thinking of, but if you are even a MODERATELY trained artist all it has done is fucked up. Art is taking the thing in your head and putting it into the world. The machine absolutely sucks at this, because it can't see the thing in your head. You have to explain it, in detail, which is AT LEAST as hard as painting the fucking thing yourself. We're BETTER than the machine. We'll never be FASTER than the machine. And at some point in the relatively near future, we will start to see people with years of experience operating the machine who can get it to do exactly what they want. But those people, like photographers, will be stuck working with what the machine can do - and they'll gravitate mostly to what it does well. The artist's field is limitless. It is bounded only by the human imagination, which is not bounded at all. This is a technical analysis, not a philosophical one. You've handled the philosophical end well; people do not really want the picture you paint, they want you to have painted it. They want that connection, that bridge, between their eyes and your hands. To appreciate art is to connect with another human being. We may, in the future, be able to feel that connection with something that came out of a machine - we certainly do with photographs - but we will need to feel the artist within the result. We will need this machine operator's work to be distinctively different from that machine operator's work. We aren't just not there yet, we're actively trying to never get there. We want the machine to do what it does independently of the operator, so it doesn't matter how good the operator is. What we want is to press the "art" button and be applauded for our hard work when we show off the picture we didn't work for, and that is never going to happen. And the people pressing the button don't understand why.
We're machines too, but with smaller parts. Look close enough at cell organelles, DNA strands, proteins, atoms. None of these are sentient or alive by themselves. Put enough parts together and something magical happens: *life emerges.* I see no reason why this isn't possible with inorganic entities. Their neural networks have trillions of connections. To be clear, I'm not saying current AI achieves this... just that it's not categorically impossible like you suggest. My claim is simply ignorance in the face of possibility.
@@Maioubi What's impossible - and the ONLY thing I've said is impossible here - is that you can push a button and be praised for your hard work. Because it's not your work. No matter what that button may do, the work that comes out of the machine is not yours. You may as well demand accolades for clicking "Print." If you didn't make the thing that gets printed, nobody is going to praise you for it. Making the machine more capable - whether by making it intelligent or by making it alive, two completely unrelated proposals, neither of which is going to happen anytime soon - is a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem.
@@cdarklock I'll defer to your expertise. You probably have an advanced degree in computer science or machine learning based on the confidence with which you speak. I only have a bachelor's in CS with a focus on ML, designing AI systems for just over a decade. My views on the evolution of various model architectures and their internal world representations are limited by my inexperience.
@@Maioubi Not a contest you'd win, but also not the right contest. New eyes are exactly what the field needs. Calcified old farts like me are not. But regardless, the problem I'm talking about isn't in any way related to the field. The people who want to make art with a machine do not want the art. They want the attention and admiration of other people, and they don't understand why they aren't getting it. They think if they had a better machine, that would fix the problem. It won't.
I like your Caravaggio style lighting
Great points as ever - novelty for the sake of novelty will rarely satisfy as art which is where we currently stand with a lot of AI productions. That frustration with the machines second-guessing our intent could lead to more human-made personal art springing up 🤷♂
Thank you for the video.
Nice... I agree. I trust the collective will tire in time of industrial Art and those who find joy in the process that continue, could be the Trend of Tomorrow.
there's something to say about how drawing with something like procreate is only possible because of the realtime feedback loop between human input and software output. As AI gets faster, I have no doubt we will move away from text prompts and start communicating visual ideas to AI via reatime drawing input. Drawing will survive AI
love your videos
0:38 This piece started from AI but was worked on quite a bit by a human artist
Oh man these visuals 😍
If here will be painters who will paint, paintings won't be ever dead.
I love this piece. This is something I have been pondering , and reflecting on for the last 18months. I am sure all artists are in the same boat. What am I doing it all for? The end result? Validation? Fortunately, I love the process of drawing. My commercial work may dissipate, but I will always survive. I think of art as another true freedom, akin to what Frankl talks about in Man’s Search For Meaning. You can take away everything from a man, but you can’t take away how he thinks and expresses himself. Drawing is democratic and so easily accessible
It depends!
hahaha david hotney is exactly the kind of artist i like, he sees a new medium and is like "oh it's great! no cleanup, everything's right there!"
Glad to see someone else who agrees with me on this. Art fun and enjoyable to do, and some AI supposedly doing it "better" isn't going to stop or ruin me.
Well, I am an artist who do most of my art digitally for work for almost all the time. Considering that, my traditional art level is very basic. But I want to impress a girl so I decided to make a portrait of her using traditional method. Yup, I want her to see the effort. I am currently studying traditional drawing and oftentimes it's frustrating when I can't do it right. But I know I can finish the portrait in time. I guess that's what separates human artists from AI. The imperfections, the journey, the story of an art, makes you appreciate a human work.
My take is that if an illustrator feels threatened by an AI, it only points out the quality of work he produces.
100% agree with this video, hes spot on
AI can create art that looks amazing but it won't make me enjoy the fact that someone feels something that manifests in something that speaks to me. Art is more social than people think. It's about shared values and sharing emotions and thoughts with other people.
Well, that was fucking beautiful. Thank you.
Lovely. I agree. It is as simple as the fact people are still drawing and painting portraits, even since we got photography for a really long time. No matter how many artificial Lensa portraits you can have the ai generated, a photo by a real photographer is always more real. And a real painting, where you can feel the paint, see the brushes, surpasses that by a million miles.
Wow lighting
Famous last words 😉
Am I the only one who thinks the man is really into an video art and speaking to us?! 🤯
3D modeling / sculpting will survive Ai.
great vid m8
People keep saying that ai wont replace artists but as someone who did art commissions, it very much has Ever since the first trend of EVERYONE making AI profile pictures, my career was basically over 'cause my clients just started generating their own by feeding in art i drew for them before, they didn't need me anymore
Did you purposely set up the lighting in this shot to look like a painting?
thats true! ai art will never be timeless
Things are truly going to get weird! I agree with you in the hobby sense, however I feel like AI will be used in commercial settings, especially in my world of comics. There has just this past day been rumblings of AI being used in the current mainline Batman series, so I feel like we're on the event horizon and about to tip over.
The reason why the economy of art matters is because it allows people who are perhaps not quite as well off an opportunity to create on a scale they otherwise would not be able to. And that is the most important thing that may be lost by AI leaving nothing but those with the financial privilege to pursue anything more than your average kitchen table sketch.
Great thoughts on AI but also art in general. Just happen to see this when it popped up here in the Stats late at night making art.
Robot hands are already here.
Perfect point, no one talks about Ai art without speaking about art economy. When did art become accounting?
The thing about ai art, its very hard or kind of a hassle to make small changes to the art. The artist will easilly understand the changes or corrections you want to make but an ai.... well its frustrating. I only used open ai and midjourney.
I love this video so much, I've been echoing these same sentiments to my friend groups. Gonna just send people this video going forward lol. I feel such a lovely connection to the art you produce. Thanks for sharing this
Paradoxically AI art will make original (hand made art) more valuable.
You are right, I know it.
The problem was never that AI would replace all artists. All corporations will use artificial intelligence as an excuse to cut the wages of all artists, designers, musicians, etc. And of course, when it comes to copyright, the works of ordinary people are common property and those of companies like Disney are private property.
Great thumbnail
People are focused on the economy of art simply because it's a livelihood for millions of us. Of course I won't stop drawing entirely because of AI, but it is likely to cost me my job/career eventually. So while I might even enjoy drawing a bit more if it becomes just a hobby, I'm not sure I'll appreciate it while living under a bridge. And what about art education? Artists will be increasingly self taught hobbyists, because only a crazy person would go study painting from now on. Who will teach it when the current greats die? In general I am not comforted by this.
I go to an art university and there’s thousands of us doing art degrees, there are plenty of people still pursuing art and building a community and I hope it will stay that way. A world without art is a world not worth living in I was very close to dropping out but I decided to stay until i graduate because it’s worth it to be surrounded by fellow creatives before the world renders human individuality obsolete as seems to be the direction it wants to head
Industrial level copium in this video
he brought up some pretty fair points wym
The point is that AI will make extremely difficult to get a living out of art. A lot of the entry level jobs that allows artist to get experience and a foot in the industry will disappear. We will always be able to make art to express ourselves and to satisfy our need for creation, but I see more and more companies substituting human artists with Ai crap. If there isn't any way to live off our art, it will become an activity that only elites with access to higher education and leisure time will be able to cultivate :( Many people forget that a lot of the art we celebrate today, like many reinassance paintings and sculptures, were actually COMMISSIONED pieces, by noble patreons and the church.
"nah handmade will win"