"The Russians are definitely beatable, but it needs a coherent approach" I Battle Lines, Podcast
2024 ж. 29 Сәу.
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On this bonus episode of Battle Lines we speak to Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon about the state of the army in 2024. What should an army look like in the 21st century? What equipment is needed? How much should countries be spending?
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Hamish Stephen de Bretton-Gordon OBE @HamishDBG on X
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Asks military man how to solve a problem and he will always, always say that more military is the single solution. I seem to remember a time where interviews were more of a debate. There was even a time when people of opposing ideas could sit down and have a discussion.
By necessity our militaries specialise because we all have limited resources. This makes us even more dependent on each other. And, frankly, given what sort of leaders we have, we are not so dependible.
Ur not gonna win anything when u let ur leaders ship all ur industry to China u ding dong that's ur own fault😂😂😂😂😂
Can we just talk about Hamish's amazing soothing voice, the accent is so amazing
Thanks, Telegraph.
The real problem is leadership. Both parties are deeply influenced by the money coming from foreign sources.
Both Tory and Labour?
@@rmdomainer9042 whoever will take the money
FINALY!!! A great show from battlelines 👏👏👏
This was a VERY GOOD episode lads 👍
What does beating putin even look like?
I don't think fantasy Island is capable of that
Russia out of Ukraine as defined by the internationally recognised borders.
They don't want peace with Russia
@SteenLarsen No that would not be a 'beaten' Putin.
Making him be stuck in this situation until an oligarch pays to bump him off.
What a waste of all those army dreamers
5:30 Two carriers, but not enough sailors to operate them or destroyers & frigates to escort them.
Hahahahahaha
The current situation cannot be compared to pre 1914; at that time in our history we had the world's largest, most pwerful navy. At present we have a few rowing boats sequestrated from the local boating lake!
Correct me from wrong Did Finland win the "winter war" against Russia ?
That incorrect Mr Wong
@@dessmith7658Nowadays it's correct to be Wrong.
No, of course not. The USSR caprured what it wanted.
The Finns provided for some good memes but lost the war. The same is happening in Ukraine.
Like the Ukrainians, the Finnish counterattacked when the Russians were eating Dead Russians lying dead with food in their mouths Read for yourself what happened in the winter war
Civil war broke out already in UK 😂😂😂😂
Yea man, my grandparents have gone on a holiday to Italy, my dad's just bought a new car...Proper civil war stuff...
@@lukegray2835 And many of your neighbours cannot allow themselves to heat their homes.
@@alexanderlazarev3570 Everyone has plumbing in the UK
@@lukegray2835 Yeah, I know plumbers, electricians etc are the separate like Hindu casts in US and UK.
@@alexanderlazarev3570 Are we really going to compare Russian poverty with UK poverty? And the levels of it?
It’s depressing hearing an ex- army officer talking about effective combined operations whilst knocking the other two services. By implication saying that the RN and RAF have sufficient equipment and personnel, which is clearly nonsense. The entire Defence budget is insufficient given the current threat. All three armed forces are under equipped and undermanned and we are not well served by armchair ex-warriors trying to stir up inter-service rivalry.
British Army officers are not immune from tunnel vision. If their senior officers think they are going to mastermind ops in the next conventional war they are sadly mistaken as their only large force experience is on PowerPoint and whiteboards. 70,000 troops actually means at best 15,000 combat troops barely equal to the manpower of 1 US division but having barely the tank and artillery units of one third of one US armored brigade.
My only dispute with this gent is that we can ramp up defence AND act responsibly toward the environment, as both pursuits stimulate the economy.
Not forgetting the bonus for a 5yr contract is around £50 per week since it's all paid in year 1.
Hamish is very insightful and I agree with everything he's saying. The West needs to wake up.
However, smarter fighting is required. WW I style trench warfare massively favours Russia, so cleverer tactics are required. Unfortunately, in large measure, Ukraine is still playing Russia's favourite wargame.
An exhibition of captured military hardware from NATO countries that kicked off in front of the Victory Museum at Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow features 32 units of various armored equipment. "The exhibition presents various examples of seized military equipment which were captured by Russian servicemen in the special military operation zone. In all, there are 32 items," Andrey Lyubchikov, senior researcher with Russia’s Central Armed Forces Museum, said. For instance, the exhibition features a German-made Leopard 2 tank, an American Abrams, a Bradley fighting vehicle, М113 and MaxxPro, a Turkish-made BMC Kirpi, a UK-made Mastiff, a CV90 combat vehicle from Sweden, as well as many others captured by the Russian servicemen during the special military operation. The exhibition also displays firearms, documents, maps, gear and drones.
Embarrassing
Russian slaves love russia
@@Cuzthatwouldbeweird Western masters lost their power and the slaves bursting to freedom for slaughtering them.
I don't see a problem in Russia displaying NATO tech because they can never replicate it. It's a display of envy and awe rather than mockery.
@@senquidam6318 Shock'n Awe in progress by broken military dominance.
LOL Comedy Gold.
Ukraine 🇺🇦 gave up their nuclear weapons in accordance with the Minsk Agreement. Putin broke the agreement. The West should replace Ukraine's nuclear weapons with something similar to what Ukraine had.
Another one who gets a thrill saying the N word
Change happens 🇷🇺
It all comes from America basically
Test
What a bullshit. Find out at least on Wikipedia what the Minsk agreement is. And who broke it. What nuclear weapons? Nonsense
Better watch out for bot swarms!!!
If we only have 70,000 personnel in the army, then it confirms my LONG HELD (20 years!) SUSPICIONS, that we need to QUADRUPLE our army, QUADRUPLE or navy, and (at least) TRIPLE our airforce! The ONLY WAY to do this is to bring NATIONAL SERVICE back! Bring back the military disciplines that built this country! This will also provide manpower for CIVIL institutions that also need staff! The NHS, agriculture, the care sector, and MANY OTHER aspects of British life! Give ALL immigrants, legal AND illegal, the OPPORTUNITY to EARN citizenship with 3 years SERVICE! I have been plotting this solution for the last TEN YEARS!
Agreed but unlikely that our politicians have the backbone to implement.
Just a bloody good show eh govna? Maybe u should stop being americas little poodle and think for yourselves again.... dont u think that's a good idea? Cheerio!
Great job thanks for the trumpet call. 🇺🇲🇺🇦
One key balance act overlooked is the conquering country absorbs all the resources of the dominated country and used to take the fight forward. The battlefront struggle seem balanced currently but should Ukraine yield, all Ukraine resources (arms and men) will be absorbed and used against neighbouring countries. They did that in the Donbas oblast forcing the remaining population to fight against Ukraine. Russian fighting power can snowball from strength to strength. By the time it reaches France and England, it is not just Russians tanks and men, It will be ALL of Europe's tanks and men vs UK.
Actually , well before Donbass seceded, many thousands of Ukrainian, Russian-speaking military switched camps. They took themselves and their weaponry/equipment to Donbass to join the militias and fight a civil war. The same thing happened earlier in Crimea. It was these deserting Ukrainians wearing no insignia who were labelled in Western press as "little green men"
God help us if the Telegraph is in charge.
The rushist empire is starting to crumble
It certainly doesn't look like it
@@dessmith7658 Weak Woke Western 14 year olds can't work in arms factories like our strong mighty Russia.
@@dessmith7658 In his dreams only.
@@dessmith7658 16% base rate. Now 8% official inflation. Spending 40% of their gov budget on this war. Surely not healthy.
@@rmdomainer9042 and not sustainable.
There is too much talk about tanks. We need to think about long range air defense, long range attack missiles, anti drone defense and then off course drones which was discussed.
Hamis, man who was saying 14 british tanks would crush Russia and win war? What a clown.
Tanks are so twentieth century
Please bring up quote and timestamp.
Whose Hamis?
@@johntynan8161 complete and utter joke who thinks to highly about himself.
@@AkenValle 😆
the war needs stopping get to the peace table
They've had their chance several times
@@dessmith7658 until boris britain national clown arrived
phone putin and tell him to stop.
The WEST should have acted sooner, as in the time when Pootin took Crimea. Europe was wedded to fossil fuel that Ruzzia was happy to supply, but in doing so - the West / Europe gave Pootin the green light ( and little green men ) to do what they went on to do. Appeasement never works.
No shovels, no power... this guy can be talking all day long!
😂😂😂😂 another pityfull claim from Empire in decline 🤣😂🤣 Put your money where your mouth is 🤣 and walk the walk not talk the talk 😂
Starts by saying we have an army of 70,000 men ……. Last check Russia has an army of 700,000 men and increasing everyday…… but yeah they’re definitely beatable 😅
The UK is not alone. Russia 's GDP is the size of Italy. It should be possible for Europe, US and other countries to produce an army and weapons to ensure Russia loses in Ukraine.
Armies are so twentieth century
@@SteenLarsenrussia now outproduce west weapon production. And for manpower issue, why the hell west not fight the war themselve?
@@SteenLarsenGDP doesn't fight. Armies do
@@dax354ableperhaps because it is easier to talk about Russia's weakness on the Internet than to go to war against the Russians and die?
💙Slava ukraini 💛🇺🇦🇺🇸
Once autocracy takes hold, it's hard to dislodge. The information space needs to be fascist-proofed to prevent future tyrants from rearing their ugly heads.
With current tech it never ends.
Creating an information space to suit your preferences is a staple of fascism. It is an unbelievably slippery slope that democracies will always struggle with.
Qualified crap…
It’s not just the size of an army that wins a war it’s also political leadership. During WWll the UK had Churchill……….look what we got now 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
yeah, Putin I no Churchill. He's not even a Stalin.
@@anthonyhulse1248 - and yet, Putin has brought NATO to its knees ?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Da Torahgraph !
Thugograph.
eat fake news to much at wkwkwkwkland? #wkwkwkwk
@@robertsteele474 AbuseBritons-ograph
They really need to take note and work with the cheap drones. Ukraine is showing the way
The Telegraph,🤣😂🤣😂
Vatnik.
Stop fuelling, enough.😢
All putin has to do is call back his troops and the fighting stops today. Who is "fueling?"
putin is fuelling the war. The Telegraph is reporting on the war. Learn the difference.
I don't think anybody thinks putin is going beyond ukraine. Why would he? It makes no sense.🤷♂️
As if europe is waiting for english generals to lead them.
Putin could swallow Moldova and he had made political steps to accomplish this at once.
How would they get to Moldova, tunneling? Anothre Hostomel-like attempt?
@@rmdomainer9042 If Russia conquers the Black Sea coastline to Odessa, they could virtually walk in. Russia has hosted the organization of a pro Moscow political party called победа, Victory which will contest elections in Moldova. And the enclave of Transdniester, occupying Moldovan territory already has asked Russia for protection against so called Moldovan aggression. So the stage is set for another nationalist Russian expansion when the military situation allows for it.
@@chipyoung4396 RU has no capability of Reaching Odessa. They have both lost their bridgehead in Kherson and the Montreaux Convention means that they can not reassemble their Black Sea Fleet.
@@rmdomainer9042 They don’t need a fleet to cross into Moldova if they reach Odessa. True, they haven’t done it yet. But Russia now has 600,000 soldiers in Ukraine with more coming. And Ukraine, with a third of its population is hard pressed even with Western assistance.
@@chipyoung4396 Dude, they can barely move kilometres. Forget a land push to Moldova before 2027 if ever. There are rivers and cites and long distances to cover. Russia stronk is a fallacy.
Suuurrreee
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Calm down, Col Hamish. Russia invaded a non NATO country, they haven't invaded a NATO country and in my opinion they wouldn't dare do that.
They would start by hybrid warfare. The actual shooting war is still a bit further away. Lots of fifth column in the baltic states.
@@rmdomainer9042 And very able to do it.
Give me baa-aa-aa. That's a good little sheep.
@@rmdomainer9042they start by sending a few billion in bribes to other countries. Then they spend a trillion making messes all over the world. Then that wait for the right to give up because they value money over freedom.
First get rid of all the corruption in the defence industry.
That doesn't exist
The speaker is as much in touch with reality as an ignorant primary school coach!
2 years later, 100 billion dollars and youve achieved.... absolutely nothing...
Kyiv under Ukrainian control, successful counteroffencives in Kherson and Kharkiv, continued support and aid from allies, forced the Russian Navy out of the black sea, candidate status for EU membership. I can go on....
Greetings to putlers trollbotboys
Controlled 🇷🇺
@mryouben Hi, brou from Russia with love.
Big mouth propaganda
😂 More propaganda
A complete collapse, blackout of Ukrainian territory was arranged for the unwanted pensioner PrezeZelensky and "Kharkovoblenergo" (russia could not do this) disconnecting the electricity for several months in order to close his mouth and freedom of speech. And everything is covered by law enforcement officers and the DBI of Ukraine. Полный коллапс, блекаут на украинской территории устроил неугодному пенсионеру ПрезеЗеленский и "Харьковоблэнерго" (раша этого не смогла сделать), отключив электричество на несколько месяцев с целью закрыть рот и свободу слова. И всё крышуется (покрывается)правоохранителями и ДБР Украины.
I love it when Russians know they've lost and are only left with tears and name calling.
No one can beat anyone without losing everything... Russia is tough... They know how to win big wars... It the village people that they can't beat. Just ask Afghanistan....
Russia is a serial loser. Russia lost WW1, the Polish Russian war in the early 1920s, Cold War, Russian war against Afghanistan, Russo-Japanese War of 1905. And even when they win, like the Russo-Finnish war in WW2, they lost huge amounts of men, and their international reputation.
Ruzzia certainly know how to lose men, wars, equipment, their morals, their morale and their international reputation.
G7 economies going down, BRICS going up... go figure ?
"go figure"?
Go Russia 🇷🇺
Yea! In G7 economies 14 year olds can't work in arms factories!
@@lukegray2835 - 14 year olds can't get married either .. what's your point ?
@@sebastianforbes1 But very soon Ukronazis will send them to the front.
World please just stop! Let everyone fight they're own battles. Most the time there is no good guys, so why get involved?
Ivan stop. We fight for thr freedom of the world in the west to not be ruled by idiotic kleptocracies like the Russian government.
Except Ruzzia doesn't fight their own battles, they start wars.
@@anthonyhulse1248 like France
Another delusional report about Ukraine.
Or we could let the people of Crimea and Donbas decide and not let Ukraine join nato then this would all be over
They already decided, they're part of Russia now. So those areas will never be discussed again.
Dumb vatniks in this chat
@@ConnorJane the Ukrainian government doesn’t seem to think so
@@ConnorJane which is why military action is needed.
Useless propaganda
From the Hellograph !
50 countries and their puppet master USA proxy Ukraine against 🇷🇺Russia and they lost😅😅😅😅😅
Clown
Repair Nordstream now
@@dessmith7658Who cares now.
@@dessmith7658never. Learn to bathe in your oil.
proxybot
This would all be over if nato didn't try to expand into ukraine. It should have stopped existing after the cold war.
"They made me do it"
@lukegray2835 what would America do if Russia put troops and missiles in Mexico? Or Cuba??
Victim blaming. Typical.
YAWN Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Delusional!
Quote "Putin a modern day Hitler determined to head West". This war could have been stopped in April 2022 but the Istanbul deal was nixed by NATO with Boris Johnson being the one who delivered the news to Zelensky. That deal didn't involve any loss of territory for Ukraine but Ukraine was to be neutral with no NATO presence and to stop abusing the ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. Putin didn't want the land then and probably isn't that bothered now but he wants NATO out and is heading west to do that.
Ukraine is a sovereign state.
@@anthonyhulse1248 💯
Nato wasn't IN Sweden, Finland or Ukraine until Ruzzia went in. Putin singlehandedly strengthened NATO.