This week, Marques, Andrew, and David go right into Samsung Unpacked which happened right before we sat down to record. After that, Marques and David talk about their latest demo with the Apple Vision Pro and give some last-minute hands-on impressions before pre-orders begin. After that, we talk about the ongoing Apple Watch ban situation and some Amazon/OpenAI weirdness that happened before wrapping it all up with some trivia. Enjoy!
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:04 Samsung Unpacked and Galaxy S24
28:23 Visible (Sponsored)
29:23 Apple Vision Pro
57:57 Ad break
58:58 Apple Watch Ban Updates
01:03:26 OpenAI Policies on Amazon
01:07:30 Trivia Scores
01:17:02 Outro
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Its great to see all the group back almost after 1 month 🎉🎉🎉
Best team 🖤🖤
@@_daniel.rad_ truly are
I think Samsung and Google are two companies working alongside each other from now on.
@@CyrusShameli maybe but I think they are rivals at the fundamental level
@@Not-to5kf The only things they really compete on are personal assistants (Bixby vs Google Assistant) and phones (Galaxy and non-flagships vs PIxels). Both companies are very diverse and have money tied up in many other ventures. Google's overlap with Samsung is a very minute part of their business, so I'd have to disagree with them being 'rivals at the fundamental level'. They compete in certain product areas but overall don't and can both benefit significantly by collaborating to benefit themselves in the areas they don't compete.
"Dead Internet" Theory deserves its own David storytime podcast special episode. Also "what are we even consuming" is the most dystopian phrase of the millennia.
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I one hundred percent agree.
It's a nice theory and actually not impossible.
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42:22 I was a firefighter. The Vision Pro comes in at about 22 oz, which is 1 lb, 6 oz (650 g). I used to wear a fire helmet that was about 56 oz (3.5 lbs as a naked helmet, though most firefighters have a flashlight, wedges, and other things on their helmet), or just under 3x as heavy, for hours while battling fires. I learned that balance was as important to the heavy “feel” as the weight itself. Both are heavy, but I wonder if the battery is moved to the back of the unit instead of your pocket if it would feel less heavy. I think you’re feeling the stretch in the back of your neck and that would lessen somewhat with better front/back balance.
I think you’re onto something. Something that I really loved about the first PSVR is that they put a counterweight in the headband. It helped balance the weight and it didn’t feel like I had a brick on my face. When I bought my Quest 2, it was SO uncomfortable. It just had a fabric strap and it was so painful to wear for long periods of time. I bought the elite strap, which basically just looked like another counterweight headband similar to the PSVR, and I can now wear my Quest 2 for hours
@@IronBran123Wear. NOT where.
Yeah but the helmet also wraps around your head and goes on top of it The vision is strapped on so most of the weight is focused on the front of the device and you don't really want it moving around or shaking on your head you want it to be pretty stiff in place when you're using it otherwise everything's going to be bouncing around in your vision
@@IronBran123 1000% also I got the elite strap with battery for quest 2 which I was originally con cearned was going to be a problem because of the extra weight. but I've never had an issue because yep it feels perfect tly balanced since the external battery is at the back of the head. The hard shell type bike helmet tightening ratchet thing of the elite strap is something I absolutely love and is a real game changer because of the comfort and security.
You're also comparing being a built firefighter to a bunch of stick nerds :D
Google seemed way more involved in this particular Samsung event/product launch than they ever have been. Seems like they've really settled into collaboration.
Google is using Samsung to fight IOS/Apple. and Samsung has a good chances of actually wining in the end Since Samsung is not in direct fight with apple
@@vari217 There is not fight, iOS and Android are different platforms
@@vari217Winning? What is winning?
Winning the market, there is a fight though
@@user-fs8xl5qe1kthere isn’t. iOS and Android are two different platforms.
David shouting "daddy!?" is expected to be on the soundboard is my guess.
Agreeeeeee😂
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@@user-qi3hf8ko3q at 26:44 someone says daddy. I literally saw the comment, randomly tapped a section of the video, and that's what I heard. Idk if it's the same one.
Omg I thought of the exact same thing
David was too accurate impersonating an old Japanese man😂
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Other regions outside of USA/CA etc. are getting Exynos 2400 on the S24/S24+, like in EU and SEA. And fun fact, there are KZheadrs who have already done gaming tests, it outperforms the S24U's 8 Gen 3 on AVERAGE while running slightly cooler. It seems that Samsung has finally fixed Exynos' issues
I'm just really annoyed that they disabled Wi-Fi 7 on all non-ultra models cause of the Exynos
I’ll need to see nom KZheadrs testing. If you got the phone early you won’t say bad things
@@vinayak1998th Bro who cares about wifi 7 , it's not even available for 99% of the population.
@@toptiertech7291KZheadrs who get phones early say bad things all the time. They are incentivize not to, and I'd be interested to see which channels did the benchmarks.
@@toptiertech7291???
That was my favorite last 3-5 minutes of a waveform episode. And I totally agree that Andrew deserved the point. Signed: “a person of the internet”
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I think Samsung and Google are two companies working alongside each other from now on.
I'm not made at it. I've had Samsung galaxys since the S3 but I've thought about trying the pixels, but now, I don't really have to I guess.
10 years later I still get chills from this
David definitely had some coffee lol he was so hyper this time around 😆
Just imagine showing the Vision Pro to somebody in the 1700s, saying their minds would be blown is a massive understatement. Humans have created some really incredible things, we are living in previous generations wildest dreams
You’d have the same reaction from showing them a Ford Pinto.
Nah they wouldn’t understand it, I feel like if you showed it to early computing pioneers from the 50s to 80s would be absolutely blown away
You don't have to go that far, just go to the 1980s. 🤣
To be fair you don’t have to go that far behind lol ,even 40-50 years ago ,people wouldn’t believe this was possible and wouldn’t understand what it is
VR headsets been around for 10 years now but ok.
Genuinely loved David's story at the end about using Google translate to communicate with the Japanese taxi driver....feel like we need to hear more fun stories about some of you guys' travels and trips
Thanks for the story & pictures David, I love that Andrew got that point ☺
1:15:09 that expression of David killed me 😂
i should have not read this comment before I got to that section cuz now all I'm doing is anticipating is his face making the best expression ever
I’ve always been really into the idea of VR but never able to enjoy it fully despite owning the Quest 2, 3 and PSVR 2 because neither Meta nor PlayStation made these headsets with IPD ranges that incorporate my vision. The Vision Pro specs that were released this morning confirm that Apple’s focus on user experience and optics will create accessibility for people like me with narrower or wider IPD. I pre-ordered mine this morning
Hey good for you man! I hope it works out
2:28 Samsung said in the briefings that non-US,China, SK (and probably a couple more) markets are getting an exynos version for non-Ultra devices
It's the Eames Lounge chair designed by Ray and Charles Eames, the reason it's so renowned is that it was a huge step forward in manufacturing with their steam bent moulded plywood, plus it's just gorgeous. They were big into cheap, functional and beautiful design. love you guys love the show 👍
Thank you!
Also It's the model of expensive chair you get on The Sims games. Not officially but a very similar one
1:14:57 David, that feeling is accurate.. you lucky the place had internet connectivity😂😂😂
The chair David mentioned is the Herman Miller Eames chair. My favourite piece of furniture.
S24 Ultra is Snapdragon globally. S24 & s24+ will have Exynos 2400 variants outside of North America. Nice to see everyone back by the way. 😁
53:22 "If I have my wife, but I don't have a wife"--us bro moment😭
yea..... I don't think wife was the right word for that individual.
We had this feature for quite some time. The same way you select unelectable text in recent apps view, just tap and hold (I believe) and it shows you exactly the same search results as this new circle search feature. I used it since the beginning, starting from Pixel 2 not sure what Android version since.
Ngl I'm kinda watching this pod to enjoy the last bit of the pod cause it so damn hilarious 😂 Good job guys 🫶lysm 🙌
I just pre-ordered a Vision Pro this morning. Looking forward to using it in 2 weeks!
What are you planning to use it for?
16:37 i thought my phone just malfunctioned there😂
about live translation, i don’t think what David is suggesting about taking a voice map and making it into different languages is not that big of a leap - it would be a HUGE advancement, languages are extremely complex and have so many unique and different sounds that change the meaning of words in different languages. some of these sounds we don’t even get close to making in english. i think it would have to be an extremely advanced program to take the sounds of english from an english voice map and make them all of the sounds of other languages.
I was waiting listening to the audio !!
I would love to see sport events take advantage of the vision pro and implement 360 degree cameras that would allow users to feel like they are at the event on the sideline or on the front row of the game. That said I hope they are able to address the weight issue.
I feel like for the nfl it wouldn't be great but for something like Tennis it would be amazing, or even like golf that it will follow the player around and then you can switch to the normal camera once the player has hit it would be awsome
If they could do this with the sky cam for American football games, I'd think about it just for that lol
For two people owning the headset? They probably will address the weight issue, but several generations later
Gotta get extra batteries for the game
@@stevorellanasky cam or NBA courtside
26:37 this should be a gif😂
I love all the AirPano channel. Their 360 films are absolutely stunning. I can only imagine them in the Vision Pro
I have very recently started watching the podcast! Go S24😁😁! Also, I love the integration of Galaxy AI! To add, my favorite thing is Photo Assist (I am excited for all the new features) and I feel like Circle to Search will be the most widely used featured. Will have many sales and pre-orders. Excited for the Samsung Galaxy S24! Galaxy AI is here!
the typing contest but with the Vision Pro keyboard
I think the nitpicking over the voice translation not being "live" doesn't take into consideration that with translating, you also have to consider the grammatical/word order conversion you have to do as well with people who speak a different language. That alone requires some latency for someone to finish a statement before you can properly translate. So i don't think "live" translation will ever be immediate, 1:1 as someone is talking.
thank you Andrew for clarifying!🙏was wondering in the FI video as well, whether Exynos "all across the board" meant all across the world as well
Glad y'all are having fun on P.Cast KEEP IT UP🤙🏿
Is it too much to ask for a Google play edition Samsung galaxy s24
i listen to you guys on spotify , but always come here to watch the outro haha.
It’s the weekend! Thanks to be part of my week
Matt, what’s up?
I can do the "circle to search" feature right now on my s23 just sliding my finger from the bottom corner. It does the same thing but without circling
Bad day but wavefrm pod notification pops 😍
Regarding Vision Pro feature questions: 1. The Quest allows you to stream live video to an iPad using their app. This proves extremely useful when friends demo the device, as you are able to walk them through how to use it. I’d imagine when you did your demos, Apple employees were able to see what you were looking at, but will that be available for consumers using Vision Pro, on Apple TV, for example? 2. I realize in your demos you were able to look at your own recorded spatial video from your iPhone 15 Pro, but I wonder: will spatial video recorded natively on the Vision Pro actually have a more pronounced 3D effect, as the distance between the lenses on the Vision Pro is farther than the distance between the lenses on the iPhone? 3. Does the Vision Pro allow you to accept phone calls like on a Mac or iPad, for example? How do they sound? 4. If logged in as a guest on the Vision Pro, what does iMessage or FaceTime do? Or if you’re letting a guest use your Vision Pro, how would you be able to share a spatial video with them for them to watch it while in guest mode? 5. I’m curious how the Eyesight feature would work for someone like Nick Fury, either with an eyepatch on, or with a disfigured eye (how does it display that?) 6. How do notifications appear? For example, if you’re in an immersive experience (like Disney+ at Avengers tower) and you receive a FaceTime or an iMessage, how does it appear? 7. To your point of the device being heavy, one highly requested feature on Quest is the ability to watch a movie while laying on your side (so the room perspective “rotates” 90°, does the Vision Pro allow you to do that? Thank you! Great job on the podcast, fellas!
Thanks for sharing it. ✌️
I was hoping the ultra phones edges were similar to the regular and plus models. It will dig in to your hand. I'm not sure if they'll ever bring back the IR blaster from so many years ago. I also think Samsung should have added a 6th lens, where they kept the 10x and 3x, but added a 5x instead of getting rid of 10x all together. I think Samsung will now keep the 5x for at least the next two ultras as well. I'm just hoping they don't keep the same design for a fourth phone in a row. Doesn't have to be a massive change, just a small change from behind. Either add a 6th lens or change something up a little
can you connect Bluetooth keyboard to vision pro? cuz it should technically fix the not feeling the keyboard problem right?
We have to wait and see
Samsung literally just duplicated most all of Google's AI features, like magic editor, recorder transcription, summarizer, and live translation. I would really like to see some tests to see which one can perform better though...
Bro dint they said they r partner of Google ....so isn't it obvious
Yes, I think Samsung is trying to combine google ai in Thier products for something new
Are you new here? This is Samsung MO... They copy others and get away with it. Quite literally copying is what set them off to become such a dominant smartphone company dating all the way back to the infamous Apple lawsuit (which Samsung lost).
😂😂😂@@itsacookie1
Bruh the AI is literally operating on Google's Gemini model, ...
I love how nice they are to each other! love the vibe
Live translation feature is not something you use daily, but it saves lives when really needed. Just like fall and crash monitors.
The exynos version is for Europe. For the regular i belive.
Also SEA region
Sweet update from Samsung, awesome ❤ WaveFRM podcast as always
Isn't Circle to Search the same as Search Screen or What's on my screen? That has existed on Assistant for quite a while
Great going!
The S24 and S24+ have Exynos in Europe and SEA. Ultra is SD 8 G3 worldwide
Question: All the software magic that Samsung is doing on new S24. Can it not be done in S23 too with a software update?
Only the cloud-based AI features will be able to run on the S23 series. The on- device ones like Live Translate and Note Assist will not likely be coming to the S23 series because they are baked into the hardware, the Snapdragon Gen 3 for Samsung. That said, Circle to Search will be coming to S23 with the One UI 6.1 update.
Do you guys think that if some of the weight was in the back of the head(more balanced) the weight wont bother you so much?
In New Zealand, the S24 & S24+ will be using the Exynos 2400, is this a deal breaker and what are the differences?
13:03 I am surprised Marques found the google on screen search "new" and only compared it to the google now tab. The pixel phones also show the search on screen option when you trigger Google assistant and you can select anything on the screen using the selection rectangle, and the search is instant too. But it is more convenient in the way samsung has done it tho.
Nothing like a Friday with the WVFRM family to take up my lunch break🎉
Awesome episode That story at the end is awesome
I was easily able to buy the Vision Pro 3 hours after pre-orders opened. I just checked, and 20 hours later, the only in-store model that is sold out in my area is the 256GB version. Both the 512GB and 1TB are available for pickup on February 4th.
What are you planning to use it for?
I wish Samsung would make a smaller Ultra. Like how Apple has the big pro and the small pro. I want most of the ultra features but in like a 6.4 inch phone
Really?!? I could understand that. Currently have the 22 ultra. Love the size because I only use my phone for media consumption.
I keep all my phones and agree with you, sometimes use my second s20 that was the small one and is like how would I watch a video here or multitask ajaja @@B-RaDD
Yeah, I really wanted the ultra, but went with the s23 for the size
I posted the same on X the other day. Like us with small hands are not allowed to enjoy Ultra features without having to carry a giant brick? I got the iPhone 14 Pro and love the size and the features although I am not an iOS fan
Kinda insane that the "most impressive thing to do" on a vision pro is watching media right now.
yeah and that is for all that price and weight on your face...
the part about the exploded F1 car got me thinking that you could probably make a pretty cool car mechanic sim game
does browsing safari on the vision pro feel like browsing edge on an xbox? Like, useful to have in a pinch but you don't really want to use it often and it's way faster to search on your phone or laptop instead?
RE: Language translation in real time: It's probably not ever going to actually happen due to languages being structured differently. I'm sure there are some language pairings that are near-perfect 1:1 translations, but it's not particularly realistic.
It’s hard to imagine instantaneous translation unless the AI can very accurately predict what the speaker will say next. I speak Japanese and the grammar kind of operates in the reverse of English so you don’t really know what’s being said until the verb shows up at the end of the sentence. But even a delay would be amazing.
The magic editor is great and all but I was honestly expecting some midjourney or adobe generative fill stuff. I mean they did give us a bit of the generative fill with the image expansion and subject removal/moving. I was also honselty expecting some pixel level highlight and contrast correction in samsungs hdr algorithm. I guess we might have to wait another generation or two for all that.
It would also be great if the Vision Pro included a swipe-keyboard style input method because its almost exclusively what I use on my iPhone
you plan to buy it?
@@MrKinein absolutely not lol, as marques said it's currently just a very expensive toy
Circle to search is coming to Pixel 8 and 8 Pro on January 31st as well
I miss curved screens, yes there was off axis stuff but the feel when you swiped back and hand was so much better
Accidental touches were horrible and also accessories like cases and glasses
1:14:11 “Let’s Go Carry The 1” 😂😂
I feel the live translation is focused mostly at Language barrier than to regular day to day conversation.
From an S22 ultra user, I think the S23 U would be the better buy for me. The AI stuff is adequate but the clause will expire in 2025. I am a curved display fan and reallylike how the curve is minimal on the S23 ultra
As an S22 user- actually a Samsung ecosystem member for their entire life... I'd suggest buying the OnePlus 12...
To me the biggest obstacle to vision pro is that the Quest 3 does not have the same very high quality screen but good enough to be a good way to watch a 2 hours movie, especially if (like me) you don't have a big/good TV, it's not incredibly comfortable but it's still bearable for that long while costing "only" 500 USD (and you can use it for other things than media consumption)
Quest 3/2 use cases are way more then vision pro. Quest 3 have crazy good games and apps.
I think if you are thinking about media consumption, then both Quest 3 and Apple Vision Pro both bad headsets for it. You need to look for something like Bigscreen Beyond, light and small to wear it for hours
Or just buy a good TV... common!
@@MrKinein well obviously the beyond is better but it cost 1000, need a good computer and isn't wireless and a TV can't be move to your bedroom or on vacation at will, while VP and Q3 can be used alone and anywhere so I still think the use cases are slightly different (but I agree that a good TV is often the better and easier choice)
At least for me I use my quest almost every day to watch series since I have a Q3 but I don't have a TV and it's still better than having to watch things on my phone or PC
53:19 gold 😂
Hey, Just a thought, wouldn't it be interesting to have swipe typing, I think eventually it'll come in the VR
the way Goole lens is implemented is almost identical on pixel dievices- for yers you could swipe up to select. it's just square not a circle and not a long pressing which is kinda better- because navigation buttons are just ancient technology at this point
Yeah, I was going to say, I do this on my Pixel all the time with Lens. I can swipe up and search any part of my screen just like this "new" Samsung feature.
I think the purpose of Apple Vision Pro is to get a head start on spatial computing as a medium. It will be seen as the grandfather of the platform that killed the smartphone/laptop/tablet/and tv. Eventually lightweight glasses will collapse a lot of hardware into one device much like smartphone did once upon a time but on a larger scale. Apple vision pro is the first step to that.
is there a drastic difference between it and other VR\AR headsets? Don't buy in a different name for the existing technology.
@@MrKinein Apple Vision Pro is a part of a myriad of different devices all trying to get to the same end goal starting from different angles. Some people are going full headsets that are like standalone computers like meta and apple, some are doing slim glasses that are just vr displays mainly or camera ai glasses with meta ray bans, eventually headsets will slim down closer to glssses and glasses will get more capable like headsets. A race to meet in the middle on form and capability. Eventually we’ll get to where we all see this going!
@@lilmichael212 yeah it's true and closer than one might think. For example Bigscreen beyond is almost glasses like and still full VR headset, and in opposite new xreal ultra glasses are coming from glass side and added VR foundations - controls and head tracking
Well done on the clarity slider moment guys 🤣
It seems like a lot of these are software updates. These features will also be on the s23 right?
In India the s24 and s24+ have the Exynos 2400! Really wanted to buy the S24 but will wait for some reviews now to see how well the exynos 2400 performs and if it throttles like the older exynoses! ✌️
Buying an S24 with Indian wages doesn't sound like a smart idea. Better wait till Xiaomi or Motorola release their Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 phones, then wait a few more months, as the price drops quite fast for those manufacturers, and you get basically the same as an S24 but for half the price. Probably faster charging too.
@@cube2fox buddy ppl earning like 30000Rs(360.90 US Dollar) per month are buying iphones like crazy on emi(monthly payments) cus its a StAtUs sYmbOL
@@cube2fox Agree with you partly! Good software support and Smallish screen size are my top priority that's why i was thinking about buying S24. Don't like miui/hyper os. Might look at Motorola though! ✌️
8:50 My wife literally duo lingo'd for 2 months straight just so she could call a restaurant in Venice to make a reservation 😂 this would have definitely made that process easier.
I think where the voice translation will really work well is when you're on the phone with someone who likes to talk about you in their native language to someone when they're talking about you. :)
Has this ever happened to you?
@@aktm1407 Yes, that's why I mentioned it.
You guys amazing ❤
I preordered the S24+ to upgeade from my S21+, with the trade in value increase, and free storage upgrade it was a great deal. I'm excited, tbh the only feature I'm particularly excited for is the voice memo transcribing notes with bullet points. I'm in University, and it would be nice additional notes to anything important i may have missed from lecture
Almost seems like the ultra without the pen
Feel like Apple is going to have to switch the materials to make it lighter for the next iteration . If you can’t use it for more than 30 minutes at a time sounds Ike a deal breaker to me especially at 3,500.
Why does your Spotify pod come out earlier?
The first talking point about translating live calls is already available since One Ui 5 and the latest bixby and phone updates from November 2023. On any samsung with bixby.
Also you can have a voice map of your own voice on samsung phones that copies your voice for bixby. These arent new features.
At what point do we get rid of the Pixel phone, and Samsung and Google just collaborate to make the perfect Android phone? It can't be that far off from this...
If Google and Samsung are offering 7 years of Android updates, it just means that Android won't see major enough updates that requires better hardware. Take this how you want...
David's Oddparents reference 😅 "If I had one!"
All similar features… but is this offline (on-device) capable? isn’t magic erase on pixel requiring an internet connection?
In college my friend dropped their brand new iPhone walking across campus, I made some comment about it and they said "your phone isn't any better." I immediately and without hesitation tossed my Nextbit Robin as high as i could and then picked it up and started using it again
The nextbit robin. Aka one of very few phones that failed Jerryrigeverythings durability test. The phone that he could snap in half with ease? I'm calling cap.
@@GullibleAbjabGamesand throwing your phone just because of a random comment? Like yeah no, I wouldn’t do it with it being inside a box specially considering each drop can have different results due to different impact
@@GullibleAbjabGames lol use your critical thinking for a sec. It failed his test because it's all plastic, including the screen. Plastic will scratch early and you can snap it, but when dropped or thrown that same flexibility stops it from breaking
@@matthewbrach4922 the screen is gorilla glass 4 my guy. Wtf are you talking about. More proof that your story is cap 🧢
@@matthewbrach4922 The nextbit robin has gorilla glass for its screen. Wtf are you talking about
Marques needs to start training his weak neck.
A curiosity question. You guys usually hit an hour and 15, to an hour and 45 - how long do you spend in the studio recording?
53:24 "If I had one" whoa is that a rare Fairly Odd Parents reference
Idk if it ended, but Samsung was doing a promo for maybe pre orders that gave a free storage upgrade
8:21 correct me if I'm wrong, but I think live translation as described by David is pretty hard to achieve(or impossible) as grammar works in pretty different ways depending on the language.
Not if you've got a pretty intuitive Ai. I believe live transcription is possible. It may have an acceptable among of latency too miniscule to be an issue. Especially with all those multi model Ai's coming online now. Definitely achievable.
@@LeonNeuton imagine what if the places of subject and predicate are interchanged in translations?
@dendemello Am sure all that will be addressed through the Ai learning model.
I'm pretty sure google Pixel 8/8 Pros are getting the circle to search as well right?
such nice and cool ep