I7 8700 vs I5 12400F - 6 Cores and 12 Threads, 4 Years Later
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How does the Intel Core i7 8700 compare to a modern six core processor with hyperthreading, namely the i5 12400F? Let's find out in a couple of CPU intensive tests and a handful of gaming benchmarks.
0:00 Introduction and Test Specs
1:02 Cinebench and Rendering Benchmarks
1:45 Gaming Tests
1:50 Cyberpunk 2077 2.0
2:49 Red Dead Redemption 2
3:29 Counter-Strike 2
4:20 Spider-Man
4:53 The Witcher 3 Next-Gen
5:32 Starfield
6:25 Final Thoughts and Suggestions
Thanks for watching :)
After living through the "14nm quad cores are good enough until the end of time" period at Intel while AMD was eating crayons, it still surprises me to see substantial CPU perfomance gains these days.
Yeah part of me is surprised that we don’t still have quad core i7s haha
AFAIK the 8700/k came out the same year as Zen 1 and it still made a joke of Zen 1 and Zen + in performance, especially with all the RAM issues AMD had with early chips.
@@Spiggle.yeah, they didn’t get competitive until zen 2 but first gen zen was still decent value
@@Spiggle. That's why I bought an 8700k, but the R5 1600x I built my mate at the same time has served him better - he's still not maxed it out.
...especially after the APUs (like 2200G & 2400G) came along. Also that's when the RAM issues were all gone. And that's why I'm still on my Ryzen 5 2400G.
I'm using an i7 8700k since 2018. Still able to game comfortable with an rtx 2070 super and 32gb ram
@makaan1932 8700k on fast DDR4 is still able to do 60 FPS, and is not bottlenecking that old GPU too. If you need that RTX 4070 ti now or better, it will, keep the DDR 4, only replace that CPU for some cheap 1700 intel board ! Keep the rest ! Buy the 5060 ti next year only, keep the old RIG 3 more years?
@@lucasremlearn how to use periods in you sentences.
What is your resolution?
Like me 😂
I have an i7 8700k paired with a GTX 1060 6GB. I'm happy with the performance of the combination.
easy gpu upgrade, can keep the 8700k
I also have an 8700k and its paired with a 2080 (nonsuper). I game at 1440p and always get above 60fps in most games... which is awesome! But sadly I wouldnt call it "high refresh rate gaming" unless im playing a nondemanding shooter like CS2. I feel like my 8700k does bottleneck my 2080 a bit on certain games. (Especially newer game titles that prefer newer CPU's) Ive had this build since 2018 and man... I cannot wait to upgrade to a newer generation CPU/GPU!!
@BREEZYM6015 Here i did RTX 4070 Ti on old 6900k, and Pentium, Core Duo Extreme. You can still get 60 FPS 1080p on over 20 year old Pentiums on Windows 10, bottleneck the new RTX 4070ti on it ? If you only need 60 FPS, Pentium + RTX 4090 ti will do it perfect too ! Keep the old systems !
Ultra room for upgrade, 8600k and 6800XT here
I got a killer deal on an old inventory laptop with a 8750k and gtx 1070 for only $300. Doesn't compare to my main rig but it's a nice little laptop for cheap.
I have a 3rd gen i7, 3770k in an old PC and it still pushes on like a champ. Paired with a GTX 1650, it is a solid living room gaming PC, with emulation up till the Xbox 360
If you don’t play anything from 2018 or newer, that’s all you need
Third Gen i7s are awesome. They're dirt cheap because they don't support AVX2 - the only reason I upgraded from mine was to emulate PS3. My nephew has my old rig with a 1050 ti, and he's loving his first PC.
@@bornonthebattlefront4883, I was using an i7 3770k@4.2GHz and DDR3 2000MHz until a few months ago, paired with an RX 590 and I ran a lot of graphics intensive games at high settings at 1080p.
@TechOrigami If it runs Windows 10, you can play any title on it. Keep the GTX 1080 Ti forever too ? GTX 1650 better then GTX 1080 now ? The same ? Keep it please ! NOT getting 60 FPS on it, not needed ! Modern games, only upgrade the GPU to RTX 4060 Ti 64 GB now ?
the biggest lie the gaming tech influencers ever pushed, is that we need to upgrade our CPUs on the regular xD Unless you're gaming on the uber high end with the most expensive GPUs and fancy high refresh rate freesync monitors, any 4 core 8 thread CPU back to ivy bridge is probably still fine. For those building on the thrift, entire PC builds with ivybridge, haswell, skylake etc would still be fine too. just pair it with a midrange GPU and you're fine for 1080p and even 1440p at reasonable settings. edit: if you're getting a used system, getting an old B350 / B450 with a ryzen 1600 or 2600 will probably be cheaper AND overclockable. overclocked that would be equivalent or faster than this i7 8700
These last few updates have been lovely for me. I have paired that same 2080Ti with a 2600k, 8700 (non-K) and now with a ryzen 5700x. For me the bottom lines of these vids is that the 2080Ti is a different kind of special flavour!
Oh hey. Thanks for reminding me my 5700X is coming in the mail today. I'll check the tracking.
@@Gatorade69hope it got to you safely :)
What was the jump from 2600k to 8700, same settings?
@@NegitoroIsBestShip It did !
Thank you. I’m still running my 8700 with a 1070ti and after this I’m feeling less of the need to start planning for an upgrade at this point in time. Again thank you for making the effort to do these comparisons. I know they take time.
Was looking for this comparison, thanks Steve.
Thanks for watching :)
Im still rocking an i7 8700 paired with an rtx 3060 powered by a 750 psu in 2024. She runs strong playing every game I love to name a few, Battlefield 2042, Diablo 4, Iracing sim and Mech Warior online in 3840×2160 over 60 fps. I dont know when I will upgrade but this is the best CPU I ever owned.
Ive been watching u from 2018 and your content is literally the same. Never change man
"Starfield doesn't like -those older architecture- GPUs."
yea man you're one of the most original tech youtubers i will gladly give you a like.
I appreciate that!
Running the I5 12400F, and it's been so good to me. A testament to how well the 8700 has been for other gamers😊
I got a 12500, basically the same thing with slightly faster boost. I love it. I came from an old i5-2400 so it was night and day when I swapped
@@lurch789 i dunno. As far as them being "overpriced", I bought an i3 prebuilt for $100 and got the i5 for $50 on ebay... so I'm not complaining😁
@@colestowing8695 I'm hoping my PC last as long as the 2400 did. What a legendary CPU generation
@@theanimerapper6351 Intel knocked out of the park with Sandy bridge. But once I switched I realized I probably stuck with it a little too long. With that said I still have that old system (just in case)
Would the 8700K add a little bit more fps? Great video - very interesting really.
the i7 still rocking today even after all this time
Yeah still going strong!
@@RandomGaminginHD that means rtx 3060 can easily run games on i7 8700 !
@@reckergamer5247this is what I was planning to pair together would that be a good pair for 1080p gaming?
The 8700 was still sold in stores up until March-April around here for 400€.. The 12400F is 155€... Used 8700s range from ~90€ to 150€.
I'm on the i7 8086K paired with a gtx 1080, going strong since 2018 and hoping to continue using it (maybe with a 3070 in the future)
I didn't actually expect the i7-8700 to be that close in performance 😅 Still rocking one, but I never compared it to newer CPU's.
its the same cpu as i5-10400 and 11400 and the 8700k has almost the same clock speed as the 10600k and 11600k. Yeap, Intel did that back in the days.
it's pretty common to underestimate CPUs, but they last much longer than GPUs do
A N I M E N I M E
I still have that CPU still good but I'm selling my build after 4 years 😢
Crazy to see the gains/IPC improvements over latest gen, been running a few benchmarks on an older Ryzen and getting handily beat by newer i3 in CPU tasks regardless of cores/threads. Edit: Lol first CS2 gameplay I've seen, did they just smear some Vaseline over the screen and call it a day?
Great video! I wonder how 8 cores on 9900k vs 12700 or 12900 perform, and interesting as well to compare with the 9700k as it doesn’t have hyper threading.
Not the exact setup but I can say having done the upgrade 9600K to 12700KF. I haven't tested the 12900KF I setup yet. The non ks should still be nice also. I think it's an IPC gain, It's been more smooth and less stuttery in recent games.
I'm feeling if it was better GPU the gain with 12400F would be even bigger.
My work PC has a i7 8700 in it (no dedicated graphics card though) so its nice to see how it stacks up in games etc to newer CPUs. Great video!
@unionofslavstanrepublics2317 Some people get these office machines now, upgrade it to a Gaming system, only buying that new RTX 4070 Ti for it, bottleneck any CPU ? You should be able to play any game on Windows 10, Pentium can run it, only getting a new GPU only, bottleneck that GPU ? or enough frames now !
@@lucasrem???
@@lucasremwhat are you going on about mate you’ve replied to almost every comment in this video not making any coherent sense and going on how a pentium will not bottle neck a 4070ti? Idk what you smoking but yes it will most certainly bottleneck a 4070ti 😂😂
I think it would be interesting to compare power draw when comparing older hardware with newer hardware
My new Rig came with a Gold Coolermaster rated 600 PSU branded by OMEN, only the board and the GPU, 4 PCI lanes for the NVMe on i7, why bigger PSU ? My old RIG PSU is 750 Watt, for that X99 Xeon SLi, needing less power now. My next build will be StrongARM by intel again, plus ARC onboard, 100 Watt enough !
There is a huge difference. The 12400 maxes at 185w while the 8700k @5ghz can heat your room at 300+ watts.
The 8700 in this example, has a consistent lower power draw with very little loss in performance.
@@spritbong5285 it's actually a large gulf in performance
It uses less than 150w at 5ghz all core.. Ur confused with 13900k (I have a 8700k)
My I7 8700 is still chugging along. Its paired with my RTX 3060Ti with some CPU heavy racing sims its still great at 4K
I did not expect it to hold up this well, won't lie there
If possible please include Baldur's Gate 3 for CPU benchmarks since it's quite demanding on CPU as far as I understand
since I'm stuck with an old alienware hand me down, I upgraded my i5 8400 to an i7 8700 for $100. also went from a 1080ti to a 2080ti for $240 (DLSS is a legit game changer). net cost would be about $150 for both. works fantastic for any recent games 1440p at ~80-100fps
And you would have 30% more fps if 12700k,13600k or ryzen 7600.
@@jason2jz then I'd be looking at $500+ in upgrades. new CPU, ram, case, cooler. not worth it when the vast majority of games don't need a better CPU than an i7-8700. even the i5-8400 is fine. Plus playing at 1440p helps push more of the workload on the GPU
@@nintendork07 Doesnt matter what game you play when your cpu is holding back your gpu at all games. I would say your fps would be close to same with rtx2080. Btw i have 2080ti aswell and tried that with ryzen 3600,ryzen 5600x and now 12700k.
It's interesting to look at the power draw of the 2 chips too I think! The i5 used less wattage in every test by the looks! Very impressive.
Hows it impressiv? Isnt that what almost every new cpu generation does? Higher clocks with lower wattage?
Is Ryzen 5 3600 or 5500 enough for 3060 Ti bcs i bought 3060 ti and currently i am using it with ryzen 3 3100 but i see a bottleneck on 1080p sometimes but it's not scary but sometimes know to be alittle annoying so could i remove that with these two processors i am on tight very budget
Can you also test with 9700K and 9900K?
Could be worth testing the i7-8700 with Baldur's Gate 3 . You may have already seen Gamers Nexus' video of testing with the game with newer & older GPU's - where they found that the game could be more instructive for CPU benchmarking because turn based gameplay isn't as demanding on GPU's (unlike real time shooters & adventure games) , and (I could be wrong) more of the bottlenecks was on the CPU side than the GPU side. Maybe one way to add a twist to the video is to demonstrate how an Englishman from the land of J.R.R. Tolkein and C.S. Lewis plays these 'Dungeons & Dragons'.
lmao, baldurs gate 3 is surprisingly demanding on the gpu side, neither of my laptops can run it at anything but 720 fsr garbage mode. And even then im only getting like 20 fps.
Anyway can you make a comparison between 12400f and 13400f? I just want to know how much % is the difference on those two processors and pair it with an 2080ti or 3070
Yeah that’s on my to do list :)
In gaming not much. But in productivity yes, the 13400 is like a 12600k.
@@RandomGaminginHDI'm curious to see an i7 8700 vs 9700 video if possible 😊
Got to love ipc improvements.
still rocking the 8700 paired with a 2070 super
I have the 12400 in both my HTPC as well as my PLEX server. Very good bang for the buck as well as very good power consumption. I was able to get one of the 12400 for $150 from Amazon as they were on sale very briefly,
How are u able to run rivatuner with cs2. I have tried it multiple times it stopped working for csgo and never worked with cs2 for me i want to cap my fps using rivatunner
I've got a i5-12400 in my living room gaming computer, it has a 3070 for some nice solid performance on the TV and the Intel HD 770 runs as the dedicated transcoder for the plex server running on it and it's perfect.
Hey dude. My Pc is bound to only have 230w psu, msi trident 3. People do wicked upgrades on it and upgraded their 1660 to a 4060 since both are the same tdp. Ive done that. But im stuck with an i5 8400. Do you think ill see big boosts if i upgrade to i7 8700/9700 worth it? Can do it for about $150 CAD Thanks
I also have the 12400 with the RX 6600 and it's a really nice combo. Great comparison as always
9100 +6600 - looking for reason to upgrade but cant find any ;-s
@@danielkowalski7527reason is you're leaving a lot of performance on the table by being bottlenecked by that cpu especially if you attempt to play modern games
@@herewego9885what's the best gpu for gen 9?
@@herewego9885what's the best gpu for gen 9th?
@@ibnuasqallani1952 a gtx 1660s is the best you can have with i3 9100f with little a bottleneck as possible but if you can up your budget then switch to a Ryzen platform or just upgrade to an i5 and get a better gpu with it, currently the rx 6600 is the best cheapest performancing card out there
Love these types of comparisons for illustrating what kind of difference an upgrade may/may not make in games, the only thing that'd make this clearer would be a more powerful GPU for games like Starfield
@@lurch789 I haven't spent any money on that game but I agree that it's an outlier for all of the wrong reasons, it absolutely does not look good enough to warrant its GPU demands when you compare how things like Cyberpunk look and run
Makes me wonder, what would be the perf diff between this and the last gen equivalent.
I love my i7 8700k. Its showing its age a little bit, but I have it paired with solid DDR4 and an RTX 3090. Still going strong at 3840x1600. The only game that has actually caused me issues recently is Starfield.
Even high end gaming PC’s will struggle to get Starfield above 55fps at 4k. Even when they’re built for it. That game is so demanding
The i7 8700(K) buyers made a very good choice back then, those CPUs are still capable today. RIP anyone who bought an i5 7600K in 2017.
I have an i7 7700k with a 3070, has been pretty decent over the years. Had a msi 1080gpu before that just died on me, but I’ve been happy. Considering upgrading within a few years or so, but not sure
@@louis1234_ the 7700K was certrainly not terrible but the 7600K with only 4 threads aged like milk.
@@lharsay this is true, 7600k was the worst cpu you could spend money on in 2017
@@lharsay well I’m glad to hear I didn’t get the worst one lol. Curious to see what will be on the market within the next 3-5 years or so and if my cpu will start to show its age
I've been using i7-8700K , at 4.9Ghz, for almost 5 years, paired with a GTX 1080 Ti, before changing to i7-13700K (and the reason for that is I bought an RTX 4080). An incredibly solid CPU, which now serves my server purposes (undervolted, cos it's overkill for my home server).
What's your riva settings for that info ?😂
Did not expect that big of a difference ngl
Im running an i5 8600K oc to 4.5ghz (running stock voltages with a soft LLC) paired with a GTX1080, still runs all the games at maximum settigs or really close to that. I was thinking in selling the 1080 and buying a used 2080 (now its like 250 euros on cex), do you think would be worth it?
it would be interesting to see if you could use the intel tuning tool to change the boost timings or use the mobo to adjust BCLK and see what difference that makes
What Budget RTX 40XX card gives the most frames on old intels ? Keep the 6900k 3 more years on the new RTX 4070 Ti ? Bottleneck it on old intels ?
Can't wait for you to test AC:Mirage on minimum specs...is that video coming soon? haha
What about the Xeon E5 1650v4? Thats also 12 threads and 6 core
Got a i7-8700 + Z390A + 32GB RAM for 180ish EUR/USD around xmas last year, was very nice upgrade for me, could just move over old cooler and put a cheap M2 drive in there, just needed to adjust stock voltages which were way too high (dropped 20-25W power consumption at full load).
Funnily enough, Im building a second rig with this cpu atm, managed to pick one up along with a z370 mb for just under £90 😄 A couple of the cores on it like to run hotter than the rest but I beieve that was a common issue with them, otherwise a great little chip. Still considering what gpu to pair with it. 👍
yeah intel seems to have an interesting heat variation with the cores, my 6600k the 4th core runs like 20c cooler than the other 3 even when under 100% load
add background for benchmark scores... becomes easier to spot them
I use 12400 in my builds most of the time (I have a good deal on them and Asus MB new from a contact) and people still try to sell 8700k and 9700k for ridiculous price around here anyway...
I’m trying to get a 9700k to replace a 9400f in my son’s PC but the prices for them are insane. You can get a used 11400f (different board) that matches/beats the 9700k for half the price but I need a 9th gen to go in his board.
Bro talk about timing a 2 weeks ago I basically did this upgrade went from an i7 8700 to a i5 12400. The 8700 wasnt giving me any problems or anything but basically got a crazy good deal plus the ability to finally use faster DDR4 ram was neat
I recently did a new build, my old one had the 8700 in it paired with a GTX 1080 Ti. Figured it was time for an upgrade when I tried to play the last of us and it just locked to 100% usage and screamed in agony while the game ran at 30ish fps
I'd love to see a video of a head to head comparison with the i7 8700 vs a xeon 1650v3 or even a ryzen 1600x. Would make some fun and interesting content imo.
@T.Lspitz You will bottleneck any modern GPU on it, specially the old Xeon's on consumer boards. But you will still get 60 FPS only on any modern GPU in windows 10 !
The 8700 is more comparable with a ryzen 5 3600x and even beats it in gaming a lot of the time.
@@mrm90000yeah... and used ryzen cost less than i5 8400 + you may find motherboards in similar prices and it is easy to make better ram work on AM4, when old Intel is locked to 2666mhz beside z370 motherboards. Ryzen cost only a bit more, but all cores are in one ccx, so there should be almost no games where it is slower than this i7.
A few months back I was wondering if I should buy a second hand i7 8700, upgrading from i5 2500... Skipped that and went right into i5 12400. A 40% increase in price, but did not regret my choice. Edit: By Jan 2023 I was still using G620 (;p). Upgraded to 2500, then to SSD (from HDD)... then got hooked with upgrading. Having 4 cores from 2 cores was awesome, but SSD upgrade was the real MVP.
Still running a good old i5 4590 with some asus variant of a 1050 ti, starting to feel a little bit slow compared to some newer stuff but still not planing to upgrade from it in the next while.
I was just about searching for any bottleneck examples with my i7 - 9700 and you just upload one with the 8700! Talk about convenience. How do you think my cpu would fare instead of the 8700? Since mine misses out on hyperthreading so its a 8c/8t. Also, i usually keep it clocked at base 3ghz speeds, the boost makes it unstable at longer periods of loads and ends in bsod or just freezes. Will be ditching the cpu too if it's not worth keeping with a new gpu.
i have the 9700, made a video with the new 7800XT to see how bad it gets
Man I was so proud of the 8770k I had when I got it lol. It was a golden sample, delided with liquid metal and a Copper IHS that could run benchmarks strong at 5.4ghz.
stefensmith9522 proud you are, for intel, LOL ! you bought a new GPU for it, bottleneck it, still getting 60 FPS in any modern game ! Even on 6900k on > 5 Ghz, it still bottlenecks any modern GPU, but if you only need 60 FPS, any Pentium and up will do that on Windows 10 ! Proud, LOL ! Fanboys feel that ?
@@lucasrem and look at amd having trouble with the newest windows 11 update. Come on do you really need to start stuff about fanboying and what not? Your complaining about Intel on an Intel video and at the end of the day we are all PC enthusiasts
I was literally asking this question myself few days ago
Still using this and thank god it supports Windows 11. Specs: i7-8700K, 32GB DDR4 2666MHz RTX 2070 Super
Great combo there :)
And now the i5-13500 adds 8 e-cores on top of the 6 cores/12 threads. Crazy considering Intel did not budge from a 4-core 4-thread i5 for SEVEN generations.
Yeah things have come along way. I’d really like to test the 13500 actually
Thanks great video
Just thought I'd mention what I've found with cs2. I am on a high-end system so overall performance is totally fine. However, on every map for the fist time playing it I would get terrible stutters. After playing all the maps I've never had this since, but thought it may be worth mentioning.
known issue on all hardware atm
Since 2018 my 8700k delied and OClocked to 5Ghz runs like 5 years under 60°C all the time , and its paired with the beautiful 1080Ti FTW3 from EVGA. The 4x8GB TrindentZ Royals Silver with a Boost XMP of 3600 runs smothley too on my Z370 MSI Gaming Pro Carbon. 5 Years never let me down and in this Years i experienced maybe 4-5 Crash in Gaming. Almost 4 Years and 5000 Hours Spend in PUBG and a lot of other Games! Now it's in Pension , my Childs Born and now we use it as a TV Stream PC ❤❤❤ Never let the Boy Down!
The 8700 held up incredbly well.
Naam is Silva, You bought that RTX 4070 ti for it, still enough frames ! Or even cheaper GPU, still getting 60 FPS on old intels is all you need ? What is the best GPU for it ? keep the GTX 1080 card that came with it too ? only upgrade the GPU on RTX 40XX levels now ?
Ifkr
I've got this CPU and I've bought the 6700 XT as an upgrade for my old 1050Ti. Pretty exciting, there's about to be some serious gaming done. I'm considering an upgrade to the 12700KF tho
Definitely a great GPU upgrade. The CPU upgrade will be nice too
@@RandomGaminginHD hah it'd be nice if i remembered to get the power cables for the card!
That's gotta be quite the framerate jump even without the CPU upgrade. The CPU certainly would be the icing on the cake, though.
@@fattomandeibu oh, totally. From barely getting 40 frames on lowest on cyberpunk to having stable 60 on really high settings. Pretty excited for that
@@fattomandeibuaight, I finally installed it. It feels ILLEGALLY fast lol
I have the i5 12th Gen and the key is to enter in the BIOS and disable the Virtual Machines configs and a few more pre-configs
Could you maybe take a look at how the 9900k is doing nowadays? Feels like everyone forgot that chip existed even though it was the best gaming choice back in the day
"even though it was the best gaming choice" No - it never was the best gaming choice - it was the best performing CPU for gaming but it was still a bad choice in general due to how expensive it was.
@@ABaumstumpf I never claimed it was the best value. It was the best gaming CPU in absolute terms.
Does the 8700 system support rebar? Just the only way I could see Intel ARC having a performance difference in GPU bound scenarios, lol.
It depends on the mobo, gotta check the site for a bios update thats says rebar. My MSI Z370 SLI PLUS mobo got that option in the latest bios update.
@@enriquetapia1287 good to know it is new enough to be an option if one has a motherboard that supports it.
Excelent vídeo, thank you very much.
I think this shows that if people open their minds when it comes to past gens, the barrier to entry, for a solid 1080p 60fps Experience on pc drops to the floor and anyone can join.
What’s the first 8 core?
again, awesome performance from the older chip, amazing
Still rocking my 8600k since it released. delided on Liquid Metal clocked at 5.1ghz quiet as a mouse hovers around the 60s still while heavy gaming. I think I’ll wait another year or 2 before I change her out.
Nice brother. You respect your money
I have an rtx 3070 and 8700, is it worth upgrading to r5 5600x or r7 5700x or can I wait a year or two?
include the 5820k pls so we also have an ancient 6core :)
It's nice to see counter strike back into the gaming benchmark world. It was forgotten for a long time. I also used to experience a lot of stutter at the beginning of evey CSGO match and I thought it was because the game was installed on a HDD, but when CS2 came in, I installed it on the HDD and all the stutter was gone, there is literally a lot less stutter than before, so the problem was not the hard drive lol
For me there is stutter at the start since CS2 because I have an AMD GPU and the Shader Cache builds while you are in game
@@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 you should set the shader cache up to 10 gb on the amd panel. I did that but on nvidia's panel
@@valentinsteam where can you set it up you just can reset the shader cache.For Example in COD the Shaders compile before you enter the game
@@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 on nvidia panel, manage 3d settings, scroll down and there it says shader cache
@@valentinsteam I don't have an Nvidia card and Nvidia doesn't have this problem. It's only CS2 though and on Linux there does not seem to be a problem with RX Navi and Shadercache as of now Valve has to fix this
Gonna continue banging on about nVidia driver overhead for slower CPUs and why I think it might be better to test with AMD GPUs when doing CPU-limited runs.
12400F can be better suited for additional hardware that is new, like PCI e 4.0 storage and GPU and as many of the newer mid range GPUs only has 8 lanes this can have some impact.
@@lurch789 not really, these days many mid range cards(like 4060TI, RX7600) etc uses 4.0 x8 instead of 4.0 x16, cutting the bandwidth in half, so when you put such a card in an old system it is only getting 3.0 x8, that limits the performance in some scenarios. You might want to check modern benchmarks.
Had a good run on it's cousin the 9600K. Went to 12th gen earlier this year, less stuttering. Did play Baldur's Gate 3 and Starfield with 7900XTX. Starfield had a boring intro. Going to gaming on 12700KF has been mostly better, some DDR5 and ram compatibility (no bsods) but growing pains. At least DDR4 is mature, have plenty around from the past few years. Built a 12900KF I've yet to test. I'm a bit curious if the lows are better but in CPU bound games that's what I feel the most in areas where there are events/in raid groups.
The old one uses 50-100% more Watt?
Actually, pretty good results for i7 8700. Comparing price/performance it's good option. I would love to see how Ryzen 5 1600/2600 compare to it. Great video.
I7 8700 beats them
No point in testing ryzen 1600, when ryzen 3600 is dirty cheap.
Hi, nice video. When benchmarking cs2 you should be able to record a demo, then replay it on both systems to benchmark the exact same gameplay.
I have the i7-8700K and I gotta say I absolutely love this cpu. It's very far from being obsolete. It can easily keep going for another 5 years probably maybe even longer
I have one too and it'll be dead by next console launch. Which is about 2-3 years away at most. Don't get me wrong, it'll chug along fine with a delid and a good OC. But even then it has the multi-core of a 3700X. Point is it's about the same amount of CPU power in the current consoles so it will last that long. I am also guessing Intel's new product segmentation means all older Core i chips will be the equivalent of Core 2 Quad to an i5 Nehalem Quad Core.
Running an i9 9900K with 64GB DDR4 3200 RAM here and still hope to get upwards of another 5 years from it. Plenty of performance for what I need. I love my PC setup.
@@bigsteve8856I have a 10850k I'm hoping for 5 years as well
Still using i7-8700, but upgraded GPU to the 3070ti and 16Gb of RAM, where CPU a bit bottleneck but playing most of the titles in 2k. Plans to change platform to the newest Intel.
what is the RAM frequency of the 8700 and 12400?
Great choice of chips to compare, but it's weird how the numbers are constantly showing a 20-30% improvement meanwhile your VO says they're "very close" etc. It feels like you're trying to sell me your 8700.
I'm running an 8700k and i've been wondering for the last year or so if it is time to upgrade. I guess the answer is no... If i had a 2080 ti
I think there are still a significant number of people that dont understand that the generation of CPU is more important than the tier, I7, I5, I3
The i5-14500 going to put these to bed with all the threads 😂 nice video I think games are getting back to being cpu intensive more than lately it’s like back in the day you could get any card as long as the cpu would hold up
This is the market. They are trying to take your money with newer technology every year or two. Just don't get trapped and appreciate your pc ❤
have an 8700k@5.1ghz with 4200cl16 ram, still very good at w1440p paired with 6900xt. downsides are the amout of time to get this stable and the power consomption which is around 90-130w for the cpu in game
Very impessive of that 8700, expected a little worse. 8700K at 5ghz/4.7ring with high end ddr4 (4000mhz+) and 35ns memory latency should be on par in gaming and will actually give a snappier pc than 5600x/12400. So it's overall in a way better than these, I certainly wouldn't upgrade to recent locked 6 cores from that.
so a guy that had a 8700k for many years, the upgrade to my 13600 was literally night and day, however i dont play singleplayer games, just multiplayer and thats where youll see the biggest difference. even my partners 9500f to 13400f was amazing for a pretty good fps uplift but smoothness and much higher 1% lows
Thanks, it seems Alder Lake is substantial upgrade over Coffee Lake architecture. We can also project the performance based on the i7-8700K running at a 5 GHz overclock. The linear increase in clock speed from 4300 MHz to 5000 MHz should theoretically result in a 16.27% boost in FPS. For instance, in the case of Cyberpunk 2077, running the 8700K at 5 GHz would yield an average FPS of 82, with 52 FPS at the 1st percentile and 43 FPS at the 0.1st percentile. However, it's worth noting that this is still lagging behind the stock-speed i5-12400F. It is also interesting to note, that in Starfield, the New Atlantis is not CPU bottlenecked by either CPU, but entirely GPU bottlenecked. So New Atlantis is not a CPU intensive location, but overly complex for any GPU to render.
mikegaming4924 You can still get 60FPS in Cyberpunk, any old intel, on next gen RTX 40xx cards ! But the old intel will bottleneck any GPU today, who cares, still getting 60 FPS on the RTX 4070 ti, not needing to upgrade the system, only replace the old GPU ! Why not keep the old RTX 1080 ti too, need RTX that mad now ? If all you need is 60 FPS, you can do that on 8700k + 1080 Ti, and never do any upgrades.
*Nice little performance uplift*
If you can get a good cooler the 9900k can overclock to 5ghz on all cores. Mine is doing great on a 360 aio paired with a 3080ti!
Please compare i7 11700 vs i5 13500