Abandoned UNIMOG Project! - Can we save it? - And what is a 404?
2024 ж. 9 Ақп.
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Hey everyone!
So! i got yet another UNIMOG. This time, a 404. and it's ofcoures in near mint condition.
Although, this ended up being more of an MAN-roadtrip/Ford-Backhoe driving vid?
This Unimog, is one of those vehicles that was somones project, but got never finished.
And then sold on from person to person. getting worse and worse.
And eventually, it was abandoned all together, and left in a scrap pile.
So now it was my turn to pick it up, and give it another chance at life!
Thank you all for watching along!
Do I want to watch you getting the motor going? I just watched you assess your fleet, use one cool army truck to get another project, unload it with another project, then listen as you explain the origin of you projects in detail. Of COURSE I want to watch you work on every part of this project! Best channel ever!
Fair enough. :) I appreciate your support, as always :)
Hello, I owned a unimoh s 404 years ago and restored it. It's a very capable vehicle when it's not broken down. Its main weaknesses are: Oil leaks in the wheel reducers, it takes a 200 ton hydraulic puller to extract the hubs to replace all the seals. The braking circuit has only one circuit, it is ATE and the master cylinder does not live long... Wheel cylinders leak regularly and often need to be replaced. The parking brake is symbolic, even if well adjusted it does not slow down much. The cost of maintaining such a machine, even pleasant and very efficient in off-road use, is insane! The engine remains anemic, it makes a lot of noise and is seriously lacking in power, 82 hp for such a weight is very insufficient. Discouraged, I ended up donating it to a museum.
5 cyl diesel must come alive, its just a very good sounding machine. Your channel cant be boring, explaining things is part of it.
What a pleasure to hear you nerding on Unimogs. I hope that you enjoyed the extreme long range comfort and fuel economy of a MAN 4x4 truck.
When off loading its usually much easier to just lift the load and then drive the vehicle out from under the load. I unload with a JCB like this, it avoids trying to manoeuvre with a high up swinging load. Love this channel and looking forward to some Mog repairing! 👍🇬🇧
Well, yes, we would ofcourse just have done that, if it became much of a problem :) But the loads were stable enough, and i was going to have to maneuver it around like that, anyway, to get it over the Mog. :)
Looks like this project is coming together very well. It was fate you would end up with these. They couldn't have a better home.
Thanks for this vídeo! I appreciated it as the Unimog isa truck in my heart! I worked with Unimogs in my army time (1966/69). We had the 404 with the gas/petrol 6 cylinders engine! A great truck to drive with a great gearbox! Our cabs were only half-height with canvas cover . We used most of them fully open! The back part only had the long seat on to allow jumping out in the case of an ambush! Both front and back had sand bags on the floor to protect against mines. Sometimes a heavy M.G. mounted just behind the cab. These trucks could go anywhere and were very reliable. My job was to recover mined and RPGed vehicles and recycle them. I was a lieutenant but also drove these trucks frequently. No jeeps there........they were flying with mines! Old times.........
I could spend the rest of my life listening to you talking about Unimogs and old CCCP military vehicles and never get bored :)
A helpful tip when securing a load with ratchet straps. The ratchet mechanism should be on the passenger side of the vehicle. If you have to adjust the straps during the journey then you are not on the side that is open to other vehicles and the potential for an accident is reduced.
30 years ago I work with the 411 Unimog to pull out trees and the ground distance was the best ! Good remember for me . Sorry for bad Englisch but greats from a dutchman .
This is bringing back memories when i owned my own 404. It was very good off road. Always helping everybody when they got stuck. But sometimes the Unimog got stuck and then it was a real pain to get unstuck.
Great project. I'm amazed at how well you know your way around the individual series and models. Chapeau! The petrol engines come from the /8 cars from Mercedes. Around 80 hp. Consumption, with a first-aid kit behind the driver's cab, at least around 20l per 100km. Hardly any torque. Leave the diesel in, if broken, replace it with a 3l 6 cylinders.
I like this Projekt. As a young guy I drove one as a soldier in the Bundeswehr. There was never a problem crossing a river or mud.
The nerdier the better! Looks like a good starting point. Liked the intro, I chuckled. Great thanks
Greatly enjoyed hearing you describe the differences in the Unimog models. Also, I'm sure that many of us would like to see you tinker with that diesel and to try to get it running. Cheers.
If your ever in a suitation like that where the back wheels are spinning with weight on the front of the machine, slew out the back actor to the middle and extend the bucket out rearwards as far as it will go parallel to the ground. Doing this will put weight over the back tyres and counter act the weight on the front of the machine. It works also along with the diff lock as a side brake because the actual side brake would not work as effectively with the diff locked. You would put weight over the tyre you want to steer/grip with by slewing the backactor to that side. If all else fails pull yourself rearward with the bucket while driving. Gunning the throttle would only tare up the ground which is not good if you want to go in there again. Keep the revs low and she will walk out. You can also put down the jack legs, lift the rear of the machine, drop the rear bucket and slew the rear wheels out of the tyre ruts to reposition into better ground. They are a great machine and hard to get stuck if you know what to do. Theres loads of other things to do to do to get yourself unstuck, those are only a tiny few things that I said I'd mention. It's a 2 wheel drive machine so you have to be prepared for the worse and know what to do when the ground is poor. I'm not sure what you call back actor over there (backhoe/rear implement). I presume you are Dutch but I could be wrong. You have some great projects there. Fair play!
Of course you can save it! Old Unimogs don’t die, they just wait patiently until they are needed again! 🤷♂️
Saw a road railer unimog at a railway company I visited years ago. Was old but an impressive bit of kit
I truly like all the information you give on the unimogs, always enjoy your content.
Great video. Definitely looking forward to see the restoration of this vehicle and the continued restoration of the others in your fleet.
Go for it! I'd love to see you bring that beauty back to life. Great work as usual! Greetings from Argentina!!
Nice to see a new project added to your ever growing collection. Would like to see it come to life at some point 🙂
she looks good, all most road ready ;) looking forward to seeing more of this old girl coming back to life. enjoy every moment of your video's, the way you expline things is nice and clear even someone like me who knows little about trucks. please keep up the good work, thank you for sharing (F,UK)
When I was in the German military in the mid 80s we still had plenty of os these 404 in service. That 6 cylinder gasoline/petrol engine dates back to the 1950s. Lots of folks in Europe converted these to Diesel when they were sold from the German government.
Really like the new 404! Looks like it has a wider track width.
Fantastic work
Interesting project. At 31:08 these holes are not steps. Behind them were small flat headlights for military use. (Tarnscheinwerfer in German) The conversion to a diesel engine turns the 404 into a noisy wandering dune. The original M 180 petrol engine has 82 hp, a Mercedes Diesel for example, OM 616 only 72 hp. But you can use a more modern engine. But the main problem is the clutch housing. Nothing fits. I converted a few 404s to diesel engines 40 years ago. I made the clutch housings myself. (I am a mechanical engineer) Another problem is the front engine mounting (the engine must not be mounted on the side of the frame, as in a car) Because of the frame twisting, the entire drive block (engine, clutch housing, gearbox) must be mounted at 3 points. At the rear of the gearbox, one bearing each on the left and right of the chassis and on the front of the engine. (I also built the front engine mounts myself). There are a few special features. For example, when you pull out the floating axle, the differential lock must first be in place and engaged in the Diff. If this is not done, the locking claw falls into the Diff. housing. If this is not noticed, you will no longer have a differential lock and, in the worst case, there will be a gear crash. Have fun with the restoration. It's worth it, it's a super vehicle. Best wishes from Germany
The new muffler on the triple nickel sounds great! 👍
Very interesting - please go ahead with the full restore of the 404. I find your videos excellent!
Hey what a pleasure to watch this video😊
Another diamond in the rough.
Very nice video ❤❤❤❤❤ greetings from Zagreb Croatia 😊
I had a new 2wd 555 digger many years ago and had the same issues in the mud. One useful trick is to load the back bucket and then swing it out behind as a counterweight. It made a huge difference and got me out of trouble many times. Love the unimog and have a 406 agricultural lined up for a cab change so will be watching your project with interest.
Ya might do your garage mod for space/heat/ect. Good to see the choices to work on, Much more content to come, thanks
I think it looks great , a good project please do if possible . Best wishes MIKE.
Greetings, new subscriber here. This is a very interesting video and looking forward to seeing how you proceed with it! 👍
That's another years worth of videos right there - happy days!
a really great video well done
Truck looks like you’re off and running with another project. Since it’s already adapted to 617 engine I would really try hard to fix the one you have or find another to drop in. I have a very low KM 1955 SWB 404.111 with the original M180. It’s fine for field work, but forget going anywhere fast. The carbs are finicky at best, plus fuel compatibility issues with old zinc parts. Diesel of most flavors is much much better. Guessing the 617 installed will live with some tlc.
Great explanation of the differences in Unimog model designation. In USA we don't have Unimog's, so your videos help me learn more about them. It would be great to see you try to revive the 5-cylinder diesel engine
The USAF had, maybe still has, Unimogs set up as ground refuelling systems. I saw some in Texas once.
I am old enough to remember when 404s were in service. Dinky Toys France made a model of the 404 with removable "canvas" top, I had 2. Many years later Taunton Cider had a Unimog with road/rail wheels adaptor kit to shunt rail wagons on their siding. All gone now.
Great I recently got my first Unimog it is a 404.0 loving it, it has a M130 engine with dual carbs
Cool new rig. I like it because of it's smaller size. Hope you're able to get the engine running again...
Great, great, Unimog nerding. Thanks for explaining the numbering. I believe you when you sy you need another Unimog project, even though in the intro you seem to have enough already 🙂 It is the "poor-puppy-syndrom", where you cannot bear the thought of a unit being forgotten and wasting away. You then have to be the one to step up and rescue it. Good !! And we're here to see and learn.
Hahah yeah, thats what it is. It just hurts to see them like that :)
that 404 looks good rather compleat :-) good find :-)
Nice find, More content!
I love the hard top 404 and would love to see it running with the 5 cylinder diesel motor and fully restored in Danish military markings. I am so jealous of you
Hell yes! the 404 is my absolute favorite mog!
Definitly worth watching
I can't wait to see you restore this lovely old Mog. Are you going to do a 'will it' start' video? Yes please. Remember if it doesn't move and it should you need WD40, if it moves and it shouldn't you need duct tape!! The old ones are the best!!
Another unimog proyect! There will be a pleasure to see how you will bring it back to life again, or you can give it to me to start my unimog proyect account 😂
I would love to see a Mog as a station wagon , thawould be very cool!
shame weather was so bleak..the bfidge view must be spectacular thru the seasons..thanks for rescuing the truck from further rot/destruction..and liked your stristry at the beginning of the video..
Yeah, on clear days, the views are great :)
I really like the nurt talk.
I appreciate that you leave your titles on long enough to actually read them!
I like the 404, but i like them all.
Pure entertainment!
i drove a 404 for 7 years.....probably still the best 4x4 in extreme offroading. the holes in the bumper are for the military black-out lights.
Mercedes 606 turbo & automatic. Have, then one of the few fast Unimogs, if not the only fast deisle Mogs in the world, Buying unfinished projects easily pushes a man to follow the intention of the previous vision for it's future. Due to the parts it came with. Army here began receiving Unimog in 1982. The old versions are rare here.
As cool as that would be, swapping the transmission is not really an option. Given the unimog suspension, and how the axles are held in place by the transmission, putting somthing else in there, would be a massive job, completely changing the entire vehicle :)
@@KJOff-Road I need to look into these Unimogs deeper.👍 The bell housing may be similar??? I think the motor is called OM606 that's revs through a great range and has stacks of HP. Turbo.
Pallet forks are a pain in the ass..... I bought a pair at great expense to use with my four wheel drive crane operation and never use them.... a couple of six metre two tonne rated flat slings will cover almost every scenario involving pallets and they cost bugger all.... cheers!
I run two 404, one being pre production model from 1955, other 1967. I believe 421 was produced long after first 404.
Yeah, i fumbled that explanation a bit. What i was really trying to point out, is that the chassi design on the 421, was older than the 404. As the 421 have basically the same chassi, as the 411. Thanks for watching along :)
Love the videos and unimogs🎉 But I think you need a unimog intervention 😂
The marking on the door is from HAWK air defense, which in the 1990s was split in a East and West setup, the radio chain were set up to communicate between units and higher command in a radio chain (line off sight) The Hawk were outfaced early this millenium!
Very cool project - great to see! Is there a UNIMOG club in Denmark? You seem to have your pulse on where to locate parts and support.
There is, yeah. it's simply called "Dansk Unimog Klub" But we are a fairly small bunch. As we are a small country, with few people. so naturally, not many have this strange obsession :)
Dear Mister TAT 👍👌👏 Your new Unimog project doesn't look so bad at all. Ergo: Congratulations 🎉 for all the puchases. 2) Please kindly allow me to suggest some things: Regardless of the unfinished Unimog cab in your shop, I suggest that you roughly put together this S 404.1 one first. Especially a windshield should be mounted so that you can put the seats in etc.. I really hope that you don't leave all the good parts on the bed (exposed to the weather). 3) Although I definitely hope/wish that your 5cyl. Diesel can be saved, I just guugld and look what instantly popped up: Only 300€ for a 220b, M180 engine that turns over. With 2 Zenith carburettors, in 16727 Oberkrämer, Germany. 4) When I was a child, my family owned a Mercedes W111 230S (big tail finned model) with a 2,3 l M180 and double carburettor. It was quite a gas guzzler. Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing. Best regards luck and health in particular
Thank you! And yes, don't worry. all the weater-sensitive parts, have been brought inside, right after filming this :)
I'm lucky enough to have a friend just like you. He claims his hobby is repairing old trucks and tractors but the truth is his hobby is collecting old broken down trucks and tractors. 😂
Well, Collecting the old broken stuff, is step one 😂 Thanks for watching along!
yes get it going will be interesting
Haha hvor fedt. Det er et projekt jeg engang købte og så solgte videre :D Held og lykke med det. Det var allerede i forfald da jeg købte den. Købte den gennem en kammerat som kender ham der har skildt den ad.
Haha, ok? Det sjovt, jeg har efterhånden hørt om mange forskellige der har haft den. Det er bare en af de der projekter, der aldrig rigtig er kommet i gang :)
Very cool. I’m a little smarter now. :-)
I would love to see if you can get that diesel running again.
Please, keep the diesel engine, I want to see that engine running..... 😊
Although I definitely hope/wish that your 5cyl. Diesel can be saved, I just guugld and look what instantly popped up: Only 300€ for a 220b, M180 engine that turns over. With 2 Zenith carburetors, in 16727 Oberkrämer, Germany.
I may be wrong but i belive the chassis is made from spring steel so weld repairs would be very tricky
You are definitely going to need a bigger shop.
Make it start!
Great new purchase. I guess some people would kill to have a bed with those original benches. Although I have to disagree with you on a technicality. The design of the 404 is the oldest one of the Unimogs shown. Even though the 421 basically has a 411 frame, it is a different updated design from the 411 frames. Even further the later 421, with the Om616 engines had even wider frames, as well as the 407. Then there is also technically the Ux100 or how that thing was called, the small implement carrier, that also got a straight frame. The U20 too, and I would guess the current implement carrier line too. So it's technically not true, that they've never again designed a straight frame after the 404. But yes, I do understand what you're getting it, it was a new design step, and basically the split between the implement carriers and the off-road trucks in the Unimog Line. I would also more or less group the 416 as one of the off road trucks, as you wouldn't rarely see them pulling a plow. Basically a gap filler until the 1300l arrived. With that mentioned: the 416 often has a lot more options like hydraulics PTO, etc, but you could get all that stuff for the 404 too. Air assist, air trailer, PTO hydraulics, crawler gears. Although running the fire engine pumps must have been more annoying than their diesel counterpart as the engine isn't rpm regulated and only had a rev limiter. So if your load changed, you had to adjust. And mentioning all the options you could have gotten on the 404: You also could have gotten the 421 without all that stuff. So just the 6 main speeds, maybe alternatively as a 2x4 configuration. Hydraulics and especially hydraulic steering were optional too. You could even get them without air. Meaning different a type of brake booster and some sort of manual oil pump to activate the lockers. Even the windscreen washers or hazards were options on the 421. Closed cab too, meaning nowadays everybody pays extra for the base model Cabrios. Side note: windscreen washers on the 404 came with a manual pump as far as I know and the air trailer brakes weren't completely linked to your food brake. At least the hand brake was operated by an extra valve, not connected to your vehicle parking brake. Unusual for German vehicles.
Yes, you are absolutely right. and you seem to know even more about the production history of them, than i do :) But i was trying very hard to keep things short and simple :) I think there could be many hours of video, just trying to explain all the different models and their equipment options. But i also think that doing so, would end up leaving more people confused, rather then enlightened :) Thanks for watching along!
@@KJOff-Road Indeed, there is a lot nuanced details with these many different models, too much to put it in a short clip. And especially to grasp it all when casually watching. Meanwhile I also found out the reason for these "strange" holes in the bumper. In the back of my head I always had the notion that some fire engines had fog lights in them, but i couldn't find prove for that. However, for what I could find examples: military black out lights. It seems to be that their primary design purpose was to house black out lights. I don't know what you have to do in Denmark to get a military vehicle road legal, but at least here in Germany you have to remove those black out lights, so you rarely see them anymore.
Ohh! That might very well be what those holes are for. I have never seen lights mounted in them. But the style of black-out lights that we used in the Danish Army, we're much bigger, and wouldn't fit in that hole, so we just had them mounted on top of the bumper. Also, we are allowed to keep the black-out lights on the vehicles. We just can't have them turned on, while driving on the road :)
@@KJOff-Road I've seen it once in a picture hence why I googled it and found forum threads were they mentioned it. However, If you take a look at old military 404s you usually can't make them out, I haven't found another one with them in it. The only thing you sometimes see is fire engines with fog lights or campers with some sort of extra brights. It's weird.
One of my mates started a 404 restauration some years ago. Making quite good progress with this, planning to make a bespoke off road rv out of the car, he then realized that the fuel consumption of this thing was close to 35l / 100km (or 8 mpg in UK terms). Conversion to a diesel engine never happened and the whole thing was sold off.
Prefer the hardcab. Had one also with 617A. If yours is non turbo.... its performance will be same as the 6cyl gas that was in it. ..... yet...... still maybe easier to find parts for 617's... maybe... Im in USA..
Yeah, this is the non-turbo. so i'm not expecting huge performance. But it is indeed much easier to find parts for these, around here. :)
Just a suggestion, next time just drive the Man truck forward out of the way when off loading. Just saying.
Seeing that MAN truck cab in profile gets me thinking it's pretty similar to a VW LT 31 cab?
well, you're not wrong. That truck was a joined project, between MAN and VW. so most of the cab is identical with the LT
One unimog project at a time
There is no 406 series. It's either a 406 or 416 (416 came later the first where named 406.200) On the 404's the PTO and trailer airbrakes where optional. The holes in the bumpers are for the nightlights. 404's are older than a 421. Before you tell these things on a big platform tell it right or just don't.
Id definitely stuff an M123 in there and call it good!
If 617 is no good, OM605, 8.5mm superpump and low / rear mounted HX35.
we need to see you get the motor going please
I don't think you have enough Unimog projects. Maybe 6-7 more would be about right...
21:14😅 You could have just driven the MAN forward.
Er det i Danmark du er ??? Ser ud som om det er Sønderjylland... fin video tak ... Michell Norge 😊👍🚜
Ja, det er i Danmark vi er i :)
The meaning of UNIMOG is " Universalmotorgerät" in Germany
good video, its worth saving, i`d stick with the diesel engine
Next time drive the truck out from under your load cool stuff cheers
Question are unimog a car or a truck ? Because the land-rover 101 forward control looks like a truck but you can drive it on a car licence ( causing lots of arguments at tolls lol )
Well, both. :) It depends on the model, and where in the world it is. Here in the EU, it's based on weight. Anything with a max total weight, above 3500kg, is a "Truck" and can not be driven on a normal car-license. But some of the first Unimogs are below that. all up to about the 421 model, can be driven as a "car" And some of the bigger ones, like the 404 or even some 406, can be lightend just enough, to get below the 3500kg, and then re-registered as a car, and driven on a normal car license.
I'm uk myself .. gotta love eu rules lol
what you really need is a PINZGAUER project :)
That would be really cool! :) But i have yet to find one of those, just sitting as scrap
Of these types of axles, which ones are the most resistant? I'm looking for information to use 42-inch tires on an off-road vehicle.
They are both very strong. I have yet to see anyone break a Unimog Axle-shaft. Because of the reduction gears out in the portals, there's not much stress on the rest of the axle. I have seen a guy running 48" tires, on his stock 404 axle, (the one-piece axle) without issues. But i would say the axle from the 406 (the 3-piece axle) is the strongest, as they are mounted on the heavier trucks. And have thicker shafts.
Was that an UAZ next to the two mogs outside?
It sure is
👍
Got two frames?
thought that was 617 transplant.. what bellhousing did the person use? Look like it is NOT the Dietrich cause they lean the engine 13 degree or so.
It's looks like it's still the standard unimog bellhousing, with just an adapter-plate between that, and the engine.
@@KJOff-Road People have done body lifts to accommodate... PITA for weatherizing floor pedals though.. Best of luck.... am sure you and or other's around you know shiaaaaaaat way more than I do.
Er så snothamrende forelsket i den MAN 4x4 😍
Han påtænker et salg. Så den kan godt blive din. :)
Lyder spændene! Jeg vil gerne høre fra ham når det er 😎
Jamen jeg kan godt sætte jer i kontakt. :) Du kan evt. lige sende mig en mail: teamarmytrucks@hotmail.com Eller evt. sende en PB på Instagram "teamarmytrucks" Så kan vi skrive privat.
OK now I feel stupid... didn't realize the 411 / 421 were straight chassis beams. Learn something new everyday