Artesian Builds, following a controversy, has suddenly laid-off 40-50 staff after the CEO self-destructed in the week following the weird-but-benign initial controversy.
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Artesian Builds was doomed from the start, it seems, because the CEO intended to run the company into the ground as he pursued a Twitch career over prioritizing the core PC building business of the company. Sadly, many talented employees have now been informed they no longer have a job - almost overnight - because of the actions of the CEO.
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00:00 - Artesian Builds Fires Everyone
02:16 - Shadiness In General
04:16 - The Story So Far
07:36 - GN Interview Attempt
09:18 - Bank Assets Frozen
12:52 - Firing Message
14:07 - CANCEL YOUR ORDER!
16:40 - Our Impression
19:00 - Steve Loses It
22:47 - Former Staff Need Help
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Early commenters be like
I started buying on Newegg again because of their response, anyone can screw up, but most do what Artesian is doing & few do what Newegg did.
youtuber YongYea did a video on Activision Blizzard. I just want to spread the word on employee abuse. "Activision Blizzard Sued By Family Of Employee" kzhead.info/sun/jLaiZJWsf5ltqH0/bejne.html
I have a question: what shouold I look for if I want some aftermarket cables for my PSU? I'm wanting some flat form factor cables for SATA power to clean up my Torrent build .
In this episode, Steve explains why he can't be friends with assholes for professional reasons.
LOL
....Richard wears a hat and James says cheese... queue Jessica by the Allman Brothers Band....
@@lukecaspers9801 I see what you did there...
The CEO of Artesian was trying to pull the ol’ shady Tech-Bro, “hey, let’s hangout and pay for your meal”, with Steve and GN. Meanwhile, Steve and crew had to channel their inner Black Panther meme and explain “WE DON’T DO THAT HERE…” 😂
Because of that user pic, I read this in Bill Murray's Garfield voice.
"sponsored by Intel, thanks Intel" meanwhile Intel: "we officially don't know who this guy is"
Intel - no no no! That's not what we wanted! Noooo!
Intel: *posts loki "I've never met this man before in my life" meme*
Very happy Intel gaming went out with a public statement not long after that. That had to be one nail in the coffin. Kicking down streamers while trying to thank sponsor.
Intel did give a public statemen about how this is NOT what they wanted
@@marcogenovesi8570 very, VERY legal department-friendly, but very clear and targeted still. I'm pretty sure that ass-hat's roasting nicely about now.......
CEO: "This really kills the energy of the drawing process." Actually I'm pretty sure what kills the energy of the giveaway is changing the rules midway because they weren't as profitable to your company as you wanted.
They're not allowed to do that. Every contestant now has a cause of action.
Profitable? I think clout is what he was after, not profit.
@@randomuserame it results in more marketing, which results in profit.
It’s a shame too because those prizes were most likely written off anyway, no reason to be so stingy! He could’ve let that one go and written new rules for the next giveaway!
@@randomuserame same thing lmao
An interview with the ex-COO would be an interesting one. Not because of why they left Artesian, but how they built the company up to be as successful as it was. Sounds like an absolute gun of a COO, and that sort of competence is in short supply in every industry.
Yea fr, there are so many more reputable PC builders but somehow they sold anything, I'm amazed tbh
True, but I can't imagine that the guy wants his name out there associated in any way with this train wreck. The last thing he needs in his future is for a google search of his name to bring up Artesian Builds and it's spectacular failure.
Important note: If you need to go through the charge back system for a refund. DO NOT. I repeat DO NOT AT ALL call the transactions fraudulent. Your charge back needs to be written with this information: - The EXACT description of what was ordered (yes get pedantic) - The date that you were most recently aware that you would have gotten the merchandise if the company did not go under - the date the company shut down and was no longer able to give you your merchandise - and the most recent date that you attempted to contact them to resolve the issue - even if they don't respond! They need record for both Visa and MasterCard that an attempt was made. If you call the charges fraud, some banks will take you at face value of it being fraudulent and will deny the claim as you initiated the charge. Please get your chargebacks sent in as soon as physically possible. The sooner you get the chargeback in, the better your chances of getting your funds back.
Source: My day job was processing credit/debit fraud and dispute claims. The amount of incorrect submissions I got on a daily basis was baffling
@@SC-hk6ui that's why the disputes dept. Needs the date that the business ceased operation. Otherwise; you have to wait 15 days after the date you expected to receive before issuing a CB
@@SC-hk6ui You guys are making it into a much bigger deal than what it is. If somebody incorrectly requests a chargeback due to fraud and it's rejected, then they can simply request it a 2nd time for the company's failure to deliver the product as requested. I also worked for a credit card company and processed dispute requests.
It needs to be put as “item not received” along side the information you said Because when a bank see’s “fraud” the will dismiss what is said and instead check to see who, how and where a transaction was authorised and if it shows as a non fraudulent authorisations they do indeed just fail the claim So FFS everyone subject is “item not recieved”
@@markh4750 nope thar is actually wrong you only get one chance to charge back You have clearly never done a chargeback or you are some multimillion black card holder
Can't imagine their frustration when a little poor streamer "unworthy of their price" took down their whole company haha. Love it !
To be honest, it wasn't the "little poor streamer" that took down their company... It was them themselves, and the community. Think of the streamer as the ammunition the community was waiting for.
you gotta ask tho what kinda twat actually rocks a guardians of the galaxy jacket clone... and his one liners... wow...
If I had to quickly come up with a physical version of the descriptor "Bay Area Tech Bro Douche" that guy is what I would come up with.
What about the other people denied the prize just the same when they were drawn up and didn't meet their last minute criteria? She wasn't the only small stream crapped on, just the only one who had her complaints taken seriously on social media.
@@NightMotorcyclist boo hoo ❄
The CEO was way too high on himself, being totally cringe, and somewhat an asshole. Sad to see that people like him causes a downfall for so many others.
Yep, yet another bad egg. I've been through a few positions at various companies in my engineering career. And I can tell you right now, there's no short supply of head-up-ass CEOs and managers that leave a path of employee devastation in their wake. Life is difficult and we need stable jobs, and so it's disgusting when bad managers fuck you over without thinking twice.
From other videos, sounds like he was more than just "somewhat" an asshole. Literally making people cry
There are so many examples of dirtbags somehow running into money or owning a company and their wild egos dominate everything and the people who actually keep the lights on are always the first to suffer. From the NFL to Media companies to small restaurants to a freakin tiny PC builder: the douchebags with money run into the night and KEEP the money whilst everyone else is fked. Greed is the human variable in free-for-all capitalism that infected the USA in the late 60's and led to manufacturing dying, nearly every recession, and our POS duopoly political farce plutocracy that's slowly veering into open oligarchy.
@@jimtekkit it’s worse when these managers have the exact level of cringe this CEO had. Like I’m not here for ur mental RP game. I’m here to do work and further my education.
@@CuppaKofe Never trust a CEO. Period.
That CEO sounds like the car Dealer no one ever wants to deal with. Such a scammer tone. Also yes changing a contest rules during the give away is highly illegal. It's up there with Ponzi schemes in federal law.
Couldn't just give that one and change the rules after. He had to be a dickhead.
Here in Québec people like to whine about our lottery and contest laws that exclude us from most worlwide / North-American contests. Thing is that these laws make it impossible to pull such scams. Companies exclude us from their contests because 8million people isn't worth the hassle of hiring a legal conselor and spending the time to follow our consumer protection rules.
He sounds like the type of person that would be at home on stage at an Herbalife rally.
@@lateve6243 It's illegal here too. The only reason I don't think they have charged them with it is because they are already in big trouble with the tax man. Either way the company is done.
Yeah, if only more crooks were that obvious. There are ones who self-BS so hard that it is hard to read from their demeanor. I fell for a couple of that type, and it only honed my BS detector further. I also personally participated in a marketing contest (for the game console Ouya) where they changed the winner selection process mid-contest and turned it from an apparent baiting through skill emphasis into a pure social media self-promotion contest.
Holy cow. Watching that "CEO" streaming segment was REALLY painful. As someone with a self-taught "English", I had problems grasping the meaning of "cringe". Well... not anymore I don't!
He didn't even have the good sense to scrub the list before doing the drawing. Sure that wasn't the only blunder he made, but it was a super-public one. It always results in hurt feelings if you announce a "winner", THEN, on camera, check to see if they're eligible. No, scrub the list first, then pick a winner after you sanitize the list. You don't even need to publicly itemize how the list got scrubbed. If someone doesn't know their name got wiped for not trying hard enough they'll have no reason to gripe when all you did was randomly draw a different name. This? This resulted in hurt feelings, and hurt feelings by proxy. that got spread really fast.
BAHAHA! Yep, that's the definition of cringe alright!
@@marhawkman303 It wasnt just that, they aslo changed the rules and amounts , mid drawing. Written down Have continous streams Have banner Have affiliate link Added: Must have x amount of recent streams Added: Must have a certain variable and arbitrary numbers of active watchers Added : Banner must be the most recent one as of drawing, if it released today and noone noticed TOUGH LUCK SUCKERS
@@lacucaracha111111 yeah, not saying he was RIGHT, just clarifying what he did wrong. He had rules for his drawing posted on a website. but during the stream he announced that he'd changed them... but he doesn't even spell out what the new rules are DURING the stream. And there is no official written copy. That's just DUMB, and inviting people to get POed at you.
You chose a bad time to understand English. That segment was painful.
if a company just drops dead immediately after the CEO has a bit of drama, there is something seriously wrong with its organisational structure.
it literally was accelerated failure. The company was bound to fall apparently
Any company run by a raging narcissist is bound to fail.
The "company" was a front for the CEO's shady practices, which as we found out included tax evasion, so of course the whole thing would fold. It's not just the giveaway fuck up. That simply uncovered a shitty guy's entire scheme.
The company didn't just drop dead after the CEO had a bit of drama. My take is the CEO was an ignorant showpiece who only succeeded because he had a top notch COO who did all the real work. The company began its decline when he left and while the CEO stupidly accelerated the decline the end result was all but inevitable once the COO left.
Well his weird behaviour might be also be triggered from him knowing he's screwed.
Steve is quickly becoming the 60 minutes of the gaming world..
I would love for Steve to be like the Frontline guy from Chapelle Show's First Episode.
Without the corporate bias however
Except Steve is way more reputable than 60 Minutes.
And very much needed, no nonsense, cut the BS, do the right thing!
Steve is one of the smartest guys around. 60 Minutes is a prolonged car insurance commercial. I wish he'd get a haircut. He looks like a hippy.
Christ, that Noah dude is so incredibly slimy and insufferable, he makes shady used car salesmen look like bastions of honesty and integrity.
Dude made 50 people lost their jobs in this awful time and he answered it with " :( " He treated his employees like disposable pawns. C'mon man, you're not Jeff Bezos.
And even Jeff Bezos doing that is a problem in and of itself. But yeh, this really busts the myth that "entrepreneurs" are somehow just more intelligent than us lowly peons.
He was so cringe worthy in the video segment played in this video, everything about the way he spoke and the way he reacted changing the rules on the fly was just CRINGE
He's a narcissist
The job losses are terrible, but thankfully the market is pretty good in the US for skilled employees in Tech.
@@DrWeird Pretty sure he was coked out of his mind too.
Artesian Builds CEO: "we run the competition, we make the rules" The US government: "no, *we* make the rules"
State Governments: Don't forget about us! (-;
The US Government "and then we break our own rules by allowing the federal reserve to print money in a fractional reserve baking system and call you a domestic terrorist if you call us out our for hypocrisy."
US government: wait, that's illegal
@Sierra Mike when you enforce the rules, who's going to stop you from breaking them. Really great loophole
@@bappo456 I think you'll find that the Federal Reserve's mechanisms to control the money supply in a fractional reserve banking system are written in "the rules". Particularly the Federal Reserve Act. Also an act of violence is required to be charged with terrorism under US law, so the government won't call you a domestic terrorist for saying really anything. I don't think being publicly ignorant of monetary policy counts as sedition either.
I was one of the Twitch Ambassadors and there was a lot of drama behind the scenes on the private twitter dm group as well. If it was "just" the streamer give away, it could have easily be resolved by apologizing and just taking the loss. But there was a lot of drama about treatment of the employments as well, ambassador payouts after referrals~ Angel, one of the good employees there was always really kind to us, will miss them and I hope you can help some of the employees that just lost their job like that.
So you guys all knew about this stuff before it went down. How can youdistance yourself when complicit
@@anaryl We did speak out and we got removed. It's on our Twitter, even before this exploded. We are Ambassadors not employees, we spoke out and we got removed, some of us left to show our disdain and no longer support them through social media influence. We did our due diligence. And that was already on mistreatment they did to some employees. And thats before the streamer give away rule changing scam. And after all this happened, we also used our social media influence to bring it to the attention to the masses. We did more then just a random stranger on the internet saying after what happened that they find it disturbing and or disgusting. So no, we aren't complicit and we did everything right. We spoke out, we left, we stopped our support and we rang the bell on all major social platforms. And after the events we continued spreading the word. Redirect your anger to the actual company and their management.
@@anaryl people like you always like to play keyboard warrior. But Im sure you wouldnt do anything different
Just a note from the 15:00 mark where Steve recommends calling your bank and reporting any charge as fraudulent because you would not be getting your build. You should call and initiate a dispute but NOT report fraud. Reporting fraud means you have to get a new card and then they process your transaction as a fraud claim which would be denied (because you did initiate it) and then (if your lucky and depending on the bank) your claim may be shuffled into the disputes team. Call and do a product 'not received dispute' and tell them you cannot resolve it with the merchant because they have no staff to resolve the issue given the layoffs. This will prevent the need for replacing the card and will get your dispute to the right team for resolution. Signed - A guy who has been in card operations for 19 years... and has done disputes with both Visa/MasterCard's back end systems.
Pro tip right here... should be stickied Happened to me once when my gym folded. Visa came through like the mega Champ one would expect they are
I love how Steve is genuinely pissed about the CEOs lack of empathy for his employees.
As is only right.
The most interesting interview would be with the former COO from the east coast. Knowing why he stepped away would be interesting. My guess would be that this company was doomed back then at the hand of the CEO.
it would, unfortunaly i see a nda type of agreement between the company and the former coo. couple to that that artisian is technicaly stil in buisness it might be hard to imposibel to get that interview
I think it's a combination of the terrible personality and ethics of Noah and business practices of his as well.
@@Seallussus yeah, I think he wanted to be LTT, but unlike LTT he didn't have good business practices.
@@rubenjanssen1672 I doubt they are competent enough to ask him to sign an nda ....
Would be good to hear from him but if he was the smart one, there is no way he would talk right now as he wouldn't want to risk getting looped into the lawsuits and possible criminal actions that could be coming.
I so respect Steve's position on this. Please don't give this guy an interview, his objective will be fame, nothing more.
The PC gaming sphere is so blessed to have so many content creators like LTT, Jay, and GamersNexus that are just honesty looking out for the community.
Also ThioJoe with the Ultra-Geek Guides and Bitwit too with the RGB Software Malware thing.
It's really why independent media is SO important across every industry
- LTT
LTT does not look out for the community, they never belonged in the same category as Jay and GN
I wouldn't trust LTT to run a lemonade stand, let alone work as a content creator. The Madison and Billet Labs situations were the "one-two punch" in dropping them like Linus drops expensive PC parts.
The guy tried to cater so hard to influencers to the point where it started seeping into both his priorities and ego. It's quite sad that Mr. "Star-Lord" somehow still doesn't realize the damage he had caused not to his own company, but to his employees, the people he was responsible for.
An egotistical "Pump & Dump".
Anti-Linus?
@@DoctorWhom Funny thing Noah supposedly called themselves LTT if they built PC's.
I'm glad someone else noticed the jacket
@@bilbobaggins7074 that's not a starlord jacket though... That's a cringelord one!!
It's amazing how just a little bit of backlash can just pull back curtains on INSANE amounts of problems lying beneath
the CEO seems like a narcissistic sociopath.
@@Joker-no1fz 💯%
The whole thing was being held together at the seams.
Girls get screwed over on the internet - everyone: O NO DATS SO BAD! How can we coddle and send you money? Guy gets screwed over on the internet - everyone: Haha loser, that's what you get for being alive.
@@Damitsall No one needed to know that you're an incel
"MY company, MY computers", well there is your first issue. There is only one person that works at Artesian builds. The rest are just passing through. Your second issue is, that is INTELS computer. They sponsor you so you don't have to do DISGUSTING things for your company to stay alive, like scam people.
you also forget that these sponsored giveaways will have contracts involved and that pretty much every state has laws regarding both giveaways and advertisement.
The few clips of Noah that you included in the video make it crystal clear he had no business being in charge of anything, let alone a company. Do people really equate being sleezy with being a leader? Do other people find that kind of character trustworthy or sincere? Confidence without any self-awareness should be an immediate red flag, not something to celebrate. My hope in humanity continues to dwindle.
Facts.
That's not the issue. There are plenty of CEO's who appear to be a bit questionable. But when your company makes 3 million a year annually and you're paid well, you keep your mouth shut if it's tolerable. It's called the golden rule. He who has the gold...MAKES THE RULES. And this kid obviously had the gold. Trouble was, like many have speculated and it seemed obvious (my guess is), he was an intelligent sociopath (I estimate around the maturity level of a 14 year old) born into a wealthy family who just didn't have enough experience to keep up with, let alone handle the kind of fast growing company he was involved with. He was obviously more concerned about his own personal image (vanity) above all else which shows when he's on camera. I used to be in broadcasting and I could always tell when someone who was star struck on themselves how they behaved in front of a camera. This guy's message was LOUD AND CLEAR who the boss was, WHO had the POWER, and WHO made the rules of the contest! I've never known a CEO, young or not, that wasn't EXTREMELY reserved and careful about what they say in public. In fact, I'm surprised he made any appearance at all during that live stream. When he did and started shooting his mouth off like a schoolboy, I thought...oh boy he's gonna put his foot in his mouth! Look up some younger geeky videos of Bill Gates CEO of Microsoft back in the 80's when he was just a young man. See the difference??? He may have looked young and stupid but he ALWAYS chose his words CAREFULLY! And what he said always sounded mature and intelligent. Compare that with ArtisianBoy here and you have complete opposites! nuf said. Thanks Steve for stepping in, exposing the truth and assisting with new employment for team members thrown to the curb. I saw what Jayz did too and it was totally awesome that he just immediately counter acted the CEO's Contest switch after drawing the winners name and declaring the winner UNQUALIFIED to win said PC due to the fact that he decided to CHANGE THE RULES AFTER THE WINNER HAD ALREADY BEEN DRAWN ( which would've been a total lawsuit in and of itself by the way). Jayz channel showed a video of him counteracting that action by him driving down to MicroCenter and personally buying all the parts to make her a killer computer system and build it HIMSELF from scratch, then SHIP IT TO HER! So, in the end...she STILL got her FREE computer. NOW THAT....was a cool ending to such a sad...scam....rip off story! Thanks JAY!!!
i mean considering elon musk until recently was the wealthiest man in the world, yes! the rich aren't smarter than the rest of us and working for them makes that abundantly clear, it's about time people rid themselves of this idea that rich people are smart.
Hey Steve, Just wanted to let you know that I'm a relatively new viewer of your channel, but I've been super impressed with the quality of your work and content since I have been watching. The first big thing I saw you and your team cover was the Gigabyte power supply issue, and that issue affected me directly. There is at least 1 more safe computer thanks to your journalism. This is just my way of saying keep up the good fight man, you have a stellar team on your side.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I'll pass them along to the team as well. It means a lot to read comments like this. Thanks, ProxyExpy!
@@GamersNexus Once again, Super-Steve and his team of schlieren image and pressure map super powered minions saving the citizens of earth from PSU bombs and evil fire risers!
@@Hugh_I @Gamers Nexus is amazing, from their reviews to their hands on with all the information they can get. Corsair 600T white case was my first and I changed it to the Corsair H500 after his review of it and how much it changed. I wish Corsair would make another case like the 600T, it was a good case for its time. Thanks Steve and your team for all you do.
@@o0cacoto0o Do you mean the Cooler Master H500? No shade! Just curious
I am as well. I look forward to the new videos that come out of GN. I wish I could donate something but I'm a retiree and need to pinch pennies.
It really sounds like the CEO hit the jackpot when he hired the COO. That guy grew the company and things went bad after he left and the CEO was left with something he never built and didn't have the skills to maintain. This really sucks for the employees, I've seen firsthand how destructive a leadership change can be when you go from competence to incompetence.
Game of Thrones syndrome
@@alexeisavrasov888 Life imitates art
@@SC-hk6ui leadership incompetence can contribute to economic hardship. Given what we have seen I think the CEO will have a majority of the blame no matter what the economic variables are.
@@rpiazza72 well said, could not agree more
I knew a guy like this CEO once. General duche, great sweetalker, massive narcissist and extremely good manipulator. You are against him? Prepare for all his friends to hear his sob story all sad faces and everything, all while he is gaslighting you publicly in front of the people that side with you. That is how a pathetic sorry excuse of a human being does, and this CEO is no different, all pretty face, narcissism and lies, makes my stomach turn. Keep your eyes peeled it is not going to be long before Noah ends up in some NFT project and/or a cryptoscam ;) Calling it now.
Given how the CEO seems to have made EXACTLY the wrong decision at every point since the drawing, I can only wonder at how many bad decisions before it will soon be revealed.
Or how they even managed to get as big as they were in the first place...
@@gitrekt-gudson eh... Yeah, but also... Give a half competent sales rep and an entertaining "face", not hard to have an initial growth spurt. Before the stupidity catches up with them.
@@gitrekt-gudson The COO do all the real work and grow the company to much bigger than it was but get rejected when asking for a raise and ofc COO left the company and it went downhill after that
THERANOS WAS BILLED EXACTLY SAME WAY SHE PAID THE PRICE FOR LYING TO EVERYONE ABOUT HER PRODUCT
This guy is very humble I really appreciate his effort to do this kind of work, it’s harsh but I really respect people that put principles over emotions in this kind of topics
They speedran destroying their company and reputation. Noah seemed like he kept trying to make it about himself in the emails. This isn't a 'buddy-buddy' scenario. Feel bad for all the employees who lost their jobs, but hope they find something better. Happy you're offering to help the employees.
Did they save any framerules?
Classic "Pump & Dump"!!!
Based on his disregard for others, lack of genuine apologies, and guilt tripping ex. with the sad emoji face, Noah seems like a narcissist. These kinds of people should not be running companies. Glad that the company is destroyed, but feel terrible for the innocent employees who have lost their jobs
@@Sysor0 it''s pretty clear that he really doesn't understand or even think about the ramifications of his actions, particularly around his former employees. They didn't deserve to have Noah as CEO..
CEO obviously has a personality disorder, textbook narcissim at the very least 🤦♂️
i dont see why people have a problem with this man, he offered a free course on "how to NOT be a CEO"
lmao
I think you mean, "How NOT to be a human being"
We got more than enough courses of that around sadly.
I can honestly say, I stumbled across your Alienware review (after purchase) and agreed with every thing you said. This pops up in my feed and I'm hooked, you're pretty great at what you do. Easy to listen to, you also have, and this is weird to say, a heart, crazy to think that people exist only to cater to themselves, and it's weird to see people worry more about others than themselves these days. "Take care of you're people, and your people will take care of you" that's like, rule number one! But you sir, are making it clear that your people, viewers, friends, employees are what your main goal is, and that my friend is some inspiring stuff. Thanks for setting the tone.
My heart goes out to the employees who were probably doing something they actually loved under what I can only describe as a clown. I watched a good chunk of the artesian stream and was honestly disgusted. His initial “ambassador” who won literally got shit on because the following that person had wasn’t enough for Katz and it just got worse. Honestly Steve and I mean no additional disrespect to Noah but you really dodged a bullet not taking the interview. Also thank you for trying to do something for those who were just shafted by the CEO
I f-ing love that gamers nexus went from being a great IT channel for PC gamers to being not only that but evolving into a channel that actively looks out and advocates for the community. Its so great from a consumer stand point and it also makes for amazing content to watch!
GN is filling an "ombudsman" niche that was unfilled by anyone else.
It's really some hard hitting investigative journalism, Steve has done an amazing job and really impressed me with his level of professionalism thru so many different stories.
Yep, the fact that theyre actively trying to improve the entire industry is incredible. Helping the guys that lost their jobs to find new ones is above and beyond.
They really do play the same part in the PC industry as media in general does for the public. Helps promote the transparency. Really love their work. Straight to the point, no bs, just telling it as it is.
This dude is a classic LA sociopath. The way he destroyed lives to run off with the money, instead of just taking the blame and stepping down. The insane confidence he exudes while playing up the "sushi-eating, buzzword-spewing, yuppie" stereotype is disgusting and infuriating.
Full on egomaniac! Sociopath!
Well, at least we now know his stream fallout wasn't just a one off misstep.
My boyfriend likes sushi. Fortunately he hates buzzwords and yuppies though.
Agreed, this behavior is common with people trying to live the LA, SF, silicon valley lifestyle. I am very careful about buying anything from these types of people.
I'm suspecting the CEO dude has a problem with Bolivian marching powder ~ if one factors that in, it all makes perfect sense B^)
Even though I'm in my early 50's, I have been a huge fan of GN for a few years now as I greatly appreciate your no BS policies. To you and the entire GN team, keep up the fantastic work and huge kudo's to you as well for trying to help the former employees to find new and definitely better employment.
I unsubscribed to this channel years ago after completing a build as I didn't need anymore hardware reviews to help me choose components. I had no idea you moved on to actual industry journalism and exposes! Resubscribed.
I had a boss like him once. Outrageous behaviour with seemingly little regard for boundaries, larger than life personality to the point of being cringe-inducing. Employees just generally being taken advantage of, strung along and guilt tripped constantly, worst cases involved verbal abuse and threats. He was a narcissist and a sociopath. These emails you showed are eerily similar. Gave me goosebumps and brought back some traumatic memories. Glad you want nothing to do with him.
Same here. Sad part was, the guy I worked for had a grand total of 4 employees...
@nomasporfavor "just get a new job lol" - you obviously dont understand
@nomasporfavor smooth brain
yup, dirt bags all sound the same
@@itemushmush the guy is another rich kid with hand me downs from daddy. It's so easy to say in the internet "to find another job" lol.
With all this, as Linus mentioned, the PC community really did turn this into a positive outcome to the best of their ability. With Jay and many others offering to build the winner a PC, your team sending out resumes of the former employees, etc. I'm truly amazed by the wonderful things that this community has done to protect each other.
PC gaming community takes care of their own.
The fact that Noah took a totally recoverable situation into the death of his company, is so comical. The fact that he allowed his big, douchebag ego to step in, is the real kicker in all of this. I feel terrible for the employees that have lost their jobs and for kiapiaa, because she clearly won the giveaway. Thanks for bringing awareness to this, Steve. You have my full support.
Well don’t feel too bad for kia twocentsjay built her a computer that is 5x better in every way then the shit Artesian was being greedy with lol
@@anthonybailey8861 I saw that Jayz episode where he built that pc for her. The moment i saw what had happened i just knew Artesian wasn't gonna last for much longer. A so called "CEO" , which is in fact a douchebag, that pulls stupid sh*t like that...bound for disaster.
You all believe this wasn't a planned "disaster" then? Ok great. Lol.
@@DailyCorvid yes ceos with idiotic egos totally never mismanage companies to fuck and back. Totally.
What really happened is that he hasn’t been paying his taxes, and the giveaway controversy called the FTB’s attention to that fact.
Lost it at the office reference. Also GN is doing some insane stuff lately. These are all amazing. Artesians builds already wanting to take the march spot for disappointment 2022.
I think Noah already earned that spot. His former employees don't deserve it, but he sure as hell does.
@@exxor9108 Totally agree. It seems like the employees were passionate about PC building, but Noah just wasn't mature enough to be running a business like that.
The CEO has mention that his role model is Linus and seeing the way he behaves screams of trying to be like Linus, aka a fun leader that doesn't things too seriously and memeing and so on . The difference is of course that Linus is a professional. While he acts like a goof, it's clear from behind the scenes that Linus takes his job very seriously, has a good grasp on business and so on. Plus he is making sure to take of his community. And this is why Linus is the position that he is today. Sure, I don't doubt that Linus's on screen persona isn't unlike how he is IRL but from what people has told about it, he is very business minded (in a positive way) and that's why he is so respected. Noah Katz attitude and behaviour would never get him on the same level as Linus.
100% right on that analysis. Linus is incredibly skilled in running a successful business and has worked his way up. He's a fun guy to be around, but it's very clear that he's fiercely professional about his work.
Guess Noah forgot a very important part about watching somebody else's videos: he's not seeing _everything_ Linus does. He's seeing a few little bits and piece here and there that are meant to be entertaining. He's forgetting that the whole "properly running a business" is happening when the cameras are off.
Plus he has a Yvonne alongside him who he has said a number of times keeps him in check but also to grasp the details that he may not have the time or inclination to deal with. The LMG and GN company ethic is clear in this that it is an employee focused
Linus also takes care of his employees above all else. He's routinely said that he makes sure he can cut all his checks every month.
I caught that in the way that he speaks, too. Trying to give that same vibe. Like hey, I really like Linus too, but I can appreciate that there's no friggin way he built his empire by being his on camera persona 24/7. In fact, I like the LMG videos that are "darker" and on more serious notes because it gives me a glimmer of the true business person he is. I also so appreciate GN's dedication to professionalism and consumer protection here too, and I can tell Steve and team do not fuck around when it comes down to issues that effect real people. From last year's garbage hardware to this incident, it's nice to see that kind of integrity. I try and bring that balance into my professional life as well. I'm a great, fun person to be around (on camera persona) but if I need something done that's going to potentially impact a customer or the company, I get serious and unyielding very quickly. I think it actually has a better effect than always being serious, because seeing that change in persona is jarring enough that people listen.
saw Gundan's coverage, massive props to Gamers Nexus' team for their integrity
this reminds me of a slimy business owner in denver i know of that ran an indoor theme park back in the 90s and early 2000s. he ran this shady contest for a long time where he was "Giving away his theme park" and he was asking the contestants to send him 50$ and a short video of why they should get the business only he never gave the business away and just perpetually collected the contestant fees for years and then ended up giving the business to his son.
When a tech guy who is known for testing PC parts has more journalistic integrity than current large scale journalists says a great deal. Keep up the good work Steve!
Honestly such a rare thing to see in modern society. He is chill enough and yet professional without it being a flaw or drawback. Honestly GN is like the most scary generalist I know of to date. No BS and yet manages to make scummy people/companies look like they have the grim reaper of sales knocking on there door. But still go out of the way to let them show what they got. Being fair and realistic. :)
Steve has always been a journalist He's honestly the only good pc journalist that is still around
Journalistic integrity has never been about size. It has always been about personal work ethics.
@@Alucard-gt1zf I know TB would not think of himself as a journalist or anything but I do miss that fella
Man, that CEO just looks like the type...his appearance, his mannerisms, his tone of voice. D-bag extraordinaire.
The word you are searching for is "smarmy".
i mean he dressed up as star lord for the stream lol
You'll find a lot of those people in San Francisco
My skin crawled out the damn door
There’s absolutely truth to don’t judge a book by it’s cover, but some people you can just see it in their face, let alone how they talk and mannerisms, and this Noah just has a$$hole written all over him.
I spent most of this video thinking along the lines of "I wonder if Steve and Jay (due to locations) can help these people potentially get some new employment." When you mentioned gathering their info and trying to help them out I realized the true reason I love Gamers Nexus and why I continue to support and watch. Like you said, there's not much more of a story here, seem like one person had a different plan for a company that was appently doing good work in spite of his efforts. Let him keep chasing streamers and you guys can help out the people who made the company what it was and did the real work. "Thanks Steve" and the team for being a force for good. All of your work is greatly appreciated.
And there’s the rewoll. Thanks for the amazing content as always Steve. It’s really nice having you and your team out there keep in the industry straight. And it’s especially awesome what you’re doing to try and help the former employees.
Christ, this is one hell of a dumpster fire. From what it seems, the CEO is such a sociopath that he is able to instantly dismantle the entire company and fire 50 people while acting like nothing of consequence happened... Essentially, cutting his losses and running like a coward. What a pathetic waste of oxygen. I hope the lawsuits that come after him will leave him penniless and hopeless, as that is the only way a sociopath learns any lessons, via severe consequences.
Well said OP. It’s always a spectrum. Say what you like! Long lived free speech! This type of person will likely just move on to create another company with predatory practices such is the pervasiveness of the delusional Corpo mentality these days, it is the staple of contemporary Predatory Capitalism. Not that far removed from psychopathy or sociopathy …or vampirism for that matter.
State should reduse his credit rating to zero cant get cell phone upgrade
his reputation is finished tbh
That is why he had no problem screwing over a small streamer.
If you watched any of their past streams you would see that Noah pontificates and has a huge ego. Ironically he is also a huge left wing nut, it's funny how he is so capitalistic in trying to cheat the small streamer and the way he is handling dismantling his company. I don't feel sorry whatsoever for this person.
"Steve Loses It" is the best chapter title ever. Steve and GN, thank you for being who y'all are! Accountability has disappeared in our society and I love seeing others fight for it.
Watching Steve slowly lose his sanity on camera has been a great joy over the past few years
I didn't even notice the chapter name until I saw your comment.. 😂😂 I was indulged in watching steve talk..
@@neonlights_12 Unfortunately he's been losing his sanity for reasons many of us would lose ours, not the least of which is incompetent business management
The thing is: I understand what Noah was getting at about having different tiers of giveaways and not ever ambassador being eligible for the expensive giveaways. However, make this rule change prior to the giveaway and inform ambassador view email of the change. Make your system only draw from those eligible. Don't draw from the entire pool and then insult and belittle them on stream until you find someone you feel should be eligible. Computers are expensive, but don't lose human decency because you feel someone isn't large enough to earn your computer.
Exactly, you CAN change the rules going forward. What is just immoral, unethical, and probably illegal, is changing the rules MID GIVEAWAY. No, once the rules for that specific giveaway are known and you’re already rolling, YOU CAN’T CHANGE THEM! YOY must bite the bullet and wait for the NEXT giveaway.
Buying some tech can be a nightmare of an experience. I can easily guarantee your collection of videos on youtube has saved me thousands of dollars. Thank you for your incredible work, GN.
I feel bad for the employees, they seem like they really enjoyed their jobs and wanted to treat customers right. But, they had a CEO that saw this as his own playground like a real-life version of The Sims. He had no idea what he was doing and it seems like he only wanted to do the fun parts of being your own boss and ignored the hard parts until the whole business collapsed. His email responses were not those of a businessman but as of a rich kid whose dad bought them a business as a birthday gift.
This.
@@tourmaline07 THIS?!
Hopefully other IT and PC building companies can hire them because they have experience and do not want to be affiliated with the CEO and his business practices.
Spot on, I'd be surprised if that guy didn't at least occasionally call people NPCs...
Yup, the random guy who kept the offices clean, he wasn't trying to change contest rules on stream. He was just the guy who kept the bathrooms clean. Those are the people who get fucked over the most, because of their dip shit CEO. Hopefully these people find new jobs asap.
The CEO screams entitlement. It seems every time he speaks, someone else is at fault. Aside from him wanting to become twitch famous, the way he talks about ambassadors and partners as if he's some sort of merciful god is very telling. He has zero remorse for his actions because he probably was handed a lot of things without the threat of consequence.
Ya I was thinking the same thing. Just the way he talks makes him sound and come off as pompous.
I don't know much about his side of things until Jay brought it up ,had a look at thier web page , Mr Beast is shown, I think this guy wants be big like Mr Beast, I heard 10 min interview Mr Beast and Joe rogen, Mr Beast is smart guy .
Agreed. Seems kinda like he was viewing the opportunity to meet with GN as an opportunity to rub elbows with "players" in the industry. Rather than a PR opportunity.
Might be a tad narcissistic and sociopathic. Just a tad. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise that all the workers were fired. Now the COO that used to run the day to day operation in the production centre and was fed up with taking the CEO's bullshit, can just scoop them all up and give these skilled workers an actually nice new job. Every possible investor that CEO might run to, to try to secure some money to resume operation should be like "OK why would we feed the dumpster fire - we can have the COO and the old production team build a new company unburdened by the existing debts and the tarnished name, and it'll be better and more lucrative"
Sounds like a certain ex-president who also deflects all responsibility for his many failures. You’re right on with the entitlement observation.
This company couldve EASILY fixed this and got back on track by being upfront admitting selfishness in the most humble of ways and rectifying the situation in a huge way by giving her the dopest pc he's ever built plus $10k or something. Also by getting her connected to people in the streaming industry if she wanted it to help her build her own platform. Obviously going on GN was the perfect platform to pull off a total turnaround. People can forgive when a company is honest and human. Not talking corporate just being humble admitting to your wrongs and being gracious about rectifying the mistake. God this was so salvageable!
All other things aside, and a lot of this is just generally BAD, when you are the friking CEO OF A COMPANY, it's your job to not just keep the business running AND PART OF THAT is actually looking out for and taking care of your employees. Whether you're about to lay them off or not, you take care of your people. This is just absolutely dispicable
Leave it to Steve to have the professionalism (even when it doesn't necessarily call for it considering what Noah has done and been doing) to prompt a possible discussion about what happened with Artesian. Something I genuinely thought no one was going to do after how easy it is to just dogpile onto the situation. Thank you GN for everything you guys continue to do, and with such professionalism at that. Also, trying to help those employees that got dropped from Artesian is massive. Although you can't promise them positions anywhere in particular... The fact you at least have connections and are still more than willing to send those that have the credentials onto a far better path than Artesian was taking them says A LOT. Especially when compared to what they just had to go through... Thanks again GN team
Not sure this is professionalism, seems it could be preaching to the faithful.
@@ttww1590 I like Steve but seems he'd like to have a discussion with anyone and anything to make easy content
@@ttww1590 Please do explain how this is not professionalism on GN's part. Steve (and the team) took every respectful avenue they could to give Noah the chance to explain what happened. They didn't initialize the conversation with Noah publicly at all, they clarified their intentions with the interview and from the beginning stated how they wanted it all on record. Where in this video was Steve preaching to the faithful? The company is essentially dissolved as far as Steve is concerned, and at most he wants the customers to get their pc's (which they can't now, so a refund hopefully) and the employees to be able to find work after a mistake their employer made effected their livelihood.
@@trashtalker420 Seems to me he's having discussions with these companies and people to maintain the integrity the pc community is known for having when it comes to looking out for each other. His channel is a tech-related channel... Artesian is an SI that should be held with accountability just as NewEgg should be. I don't know why people are so fast to assume genuine care over a community automatically means there's inauthenticity in what they're doing. Not to mention it requires him to spend money and many hours to create this 'easy content'.
Yeah I feel sorry for all the people just trying to do their job. Who had nothing to do with the actions of their bosses. Hopefully all these people will find a job with a new company, that will treat them better and if lucky enough, will pay better as well. For with the way the company ceo acted. I have to wonder, just how well they treated their staff members, given their treatment of small streamers. Since well the one who should be punished for these things is their boss, not the staff who had nothing to do with it. For it sucks big time to lose your job, over the faults of idiots higher ups that you had no control over.
It really sounds like the COO was the one handling the operations and keeping the books in check. The CEO was pushing for giveaways on social media without regards to operations and especially the financial side of things. When the COO left the CEO went wild and ended up bankrupting the company. On top of this there seems to be several legal actions that are taking place to complicate the matter.
Yep, typical of what happens when an idiot becomes in charge.
It feels even worse, the COO probably saw what was going down and left after he couldnt change the trajectory :/
I feel this all points to a perfect way out for almost everyone involved. The CEO will try to run up some investors to restart the company, but if the former COO gets to them first, they can do do one better: build a new company, with an as of yet untarnished reputation, with the former COO as the new CEO, without the toxic bits of management, and he can scoop up all these trained skilled workers who are now fresh out of job and it'll be pretty smooth sailing. I'm sure a new company staffed with these fine people will do financially a lot better than trying to rescue that dumpster fire.
Indeed, the COO left in November, so if he was running (and let's be clear here, it seems like he was the one actually running the company and keeping it afloat) well back then and left it in a good state, I could see Noah burning through it all in 5 months for it to have ended up how it did.
There is no "Outside Counsel". This is just a stalling technique to hide as much money as he can until he claims bankruptcy. It's sad this CEO will escape with a fortune while everyone else gets screwed.
I can't tell you how grateful I am to come across this channel filled with high quality knowledge and advice. It's so awful that everywhere you go there is just frauds, liars, deuchebags or just plain old misinformation and ignorance. This channel is an incredible counterweight to all that. I will almost say that it restores some of my faith in humanity just watching.
Your channel is great - every video is so comprehensive.
Damn Steve, Going out and helping those employees who got shafted by trying to get them new jobs....That's incredible man, I mean 100% amazing. You are one hell of a good guy. RESPECT!
He is a great human being, I love how he brought Justice to Newegg customers. Steve should make this a regular series and keep all tech companies on their toes.
we need more Steve
I will never understand the motivations for company leadership to pee in their own pool; if Katz had the tiniest shred of hope of resurrecting himself or AB in the tech social media space, he needed to proceed in at least what would appear to be a good faith effort. Instead, his actions give the appearance that he is self-indulgent and delusional enough to believe that he is the victim here and will build a bandwagon of "this is my reward for trying to be a nice guy and giving away computers." A wagon which nobody else will ride.
they are so disconnected from the real world while being convinced they have 100% understanding of it. Cocaine for example has this effect, and has sunk a lot of companies
Is anyone surprised with the way the dude talks and dresses?
@@marcogenovesi8570 Agreed, but in Katz' case, based on the coverage I've seen, this is little more than good old fashioned hubris. Katz is young, his company experienced explosive growth in a short period of time, and suddenly what began as an ego-stroking sandbox rapidly turned into a serious situation in which the livelihood of dozens of people depended on his transition to a responsible and mindful leader. You have to put the interests of your staff before your own, and the scope of this failure far exceeds his failure to his customers.
It has been hilarious, a full sketchiness implosion and meltdown, and all self initiated too!
@@a1superfantastic I still wouldn't be surprised cocaine was involved
“Why should we have to obey tax or sweepstakes laws? Can’t you see we are giving away PCs for /free/? (*only valid if you have enough subscribers to afford the PC anyway.)” Idk, I think the employees got lucky long term. I think a sudden company death gives the employees some benefits. Firing a certain number of people at once, for example, forces the company to provide severance pay for all lost employees. Probably better than the company slowly leaking air through a series of small but continuous layoffs.
Hey Steve i just watched Linus' video about the collapse of Artesian. Huge hats off to you and GN for reaching out to their former employees that had no warning about the company folding and being out of a job. I really appreciate you helping them out in their job search too. You're a great person and your channel is out to help the public. Keep up the great work :)
"We are sorry that we got found out. Please give money." Screw that CEO. Screw him and his shoddy business. Not to mention people having had major issues with their PCs. Under sponsorship no less.
I read it as "The bankers and lawyers have forced us to screw everyone over, if they let us have money again, we can get back to normal". That weirdly formatted part was a typical message from a lawyer trying to explain that this isn't final bankruptcy yet.
When my company went belly up we managed to cover almost all debt except for a months worth of pay for two employees (Around 4k€, including taxes, health insurance, etc.). It took me almost two years to work out the feelings of guilt I had for letting them down. Katz is more than tone-deaf, I'd wager there's something wrong with the way his mind works.
He does appear to be a 'tad' of a narcissist. That stream was pure cringe.
that's cos your a real life human being...unlike 5his douch
That guy came off kinda of narcissistic which is probably why the former Head boss left the company back in 2021
What makes you think his employees are owed money?
He Definitely has Asperger’s
So not only did you offer him a chance to maybe restore some credibility to him and the company which he blew, you then also did his job and at least tried to take care of his employees. This channel is really outstanding :)
That's so cool Steve, you passing along their resumes and info along to other companies in the industry. Good man.
Imagine being way behind on your company group chat, finally clearing the backlog and finding out that you're fired
That CEO is a living caricature: "I tanked the whole company and laid you all off, LOL!"
All that's missing is a photo of him skateboarding or surfing attached to the memo.
Steve, it’s 2:30 AM EST right now and I have a job interview at 10 A.M., binge watching GN is impossible not to do. You and your team’s journalism, hard work, determination and sheer transparency is unlike anything I’ve seen in some years. I just wanted to drop this comment to do my part in encouraging the GN team to continue to work and keep up the good fight, we all love you guys!
I love that you bring all this professionalism to journalism, you're thoroughness and objectivity should be taught in school
I think we can guess at this point that the COO left because they realized the CEO was a child with no clue how to run a business and wanted to be internet famous. That and the sheer level of slimy behavior on his part with the staff and the customers is actually kind of impressive in a sick way.
From all the videos I've watch, that's all the CEO cares for. Being Internet famous. I've seen clips of him comparing his company to being what Linus would've been if Linus went SI route. Noah is so full of himself. I didn't even know who he was until Jayz video on the whole situation and getting Mia a PC.
I think his lawyer team is part of the problem. I live in So. Cal. I've worked for large bankruptcy factories before. I've worked for companies that milk their accounts payable in that time. Basically you generate purchase orders, buy materials, then ghost the supplier to avoid paying them cash. When one supplier stops supplying you, you find another. I have never worked for a company that milks their customers to get money generating claims for bankruptcy court(I have had to however work WITH companies that do this). Those companies go bankrupt once and vanish. Those CEOs go to criminal court because it is in fact fraud and theft.
@@Grimmwoldds He certainly in a lot of trouble. Its why i referred to him as a child because the behavior akin to one who thinks they can skate away from any real consequences. Soon now realty is about to bite a certain someone right in the ass.
If only regular news agencies had your level of integrity... World would be a much better place.. Thanks for you and your teams work
News & integrity RIP
He's the Project Veritas of the PC world.
26 mins delving into the situation, good luck getting regular news agencies to spend 20-30 mins per story! Let alone the hours of work before recording!
@@johnferrara5249 hell yeah. Another project Veritas fan. Based gamers rise up
@@johnferrara5249 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL if you think Project Veritas is anything more than utter BS. How is the 947th audit going down?
no genuine empathy from that Noah guy. like some trust fund psychopath who started a company with his dad's money so he could meet streamers, but as soon as it got slightly difficult he immediately canned the whole thing. very much the behavior of someone who wasn't truly invested in the company, and judging winners only by their ability to grow his brand speaks volumes about him as a person.
LTT should buy the company, and employ all staff back turning it into his computer building extension of LTT as a big slap in the face to Noah.
The guy would probably rationalize it as "I built a system integrator for LTT"
would be especially funny since he's said stuff in the past like "I basically wanted to be LTT so I started my own company" and also emailed people who worked with linus in the past to ask if they could help him get in contact with linus
@@myuzu_ That and the cash would end up in Noahs pocket. I say let it die until its forclosed on then buy everything but in the mean time hire all the employees and call it like Artisan builds.
It's kinda funny that LTT started out (kinda) as part of NCIX, which basically functioned (in part) as a system integrator. Really coming full circle.
@VaderxG should Steve not help these employees out by being a reference to big companies?
I've dealt with people like this before. There's no way to get them to break character. He'll treat it like two buddies having a casual chat and will get angry when he can't control the results -- no mater how much effort you put into trying to explain that he can't control the results.
Sound an awful lot like a handful of KZheadrs...
Since Noah seems to like Mark Twain quotes, I'll throw this one out there: "Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig will like it."
@@crowdemon_archives ....?
@@crowdemon_archives Care to name names, since we're apparently throwing shade? A statement like that doesn't tell anyone anything. I'm still a person that forms their own opinions, tho it's getting harder and harder to find neutral takes on things to base my opinions on.
@@44R0Ndin oh trust me, the list thread into nonsense like Shane Dawson lol. That specific sphere has a bunch of people acting like Noah...
Working for this company was so rewarding. When you weren’t talking to Noah. Or working with Noah. So sad that so many staff lost their jobs I hope my colleagues can find comfort elsewhere
Good luck to you as well.
I hope that you can find work at another company, soon.
very good coverage of this whole thing. you got a follower!
That emoticon was wild 19:05. Can’t imagine pulling the rug under 50 people and sending emoticons in an email about it.
Holy sheet, Artesian fired their employees on the 3rd paragraph of a "attn y'all" msg, treating the firings as if it was some tertiary down the list of importance. Artesian really does not think highly of their employees. Shame this wasn't a co-op, the employees could have fired the CEO long ago and kept their jobs.
Never trust a company which uses Discord to convey professional messages.
@@lightly-red-huedmaleindivi6266 definite red flag. if for no other reason than security concerns.
They were supposedly considering an employee-led buyout but obviously that didn't bear out.
The business license (that's basically what the "tax issue" is-they haven't kept up paying for theirs) could have been resolved in mere minutes by writing a check and filing a single form. This whole thing is a collection of continuous mistakes largely by one person who's too impressed with himself. It's like watching a train wreck set up and driven by Noah DoucheLord himself. That it basically ended the jobs of 40-50 people is truly heartbreaking. But I guess running a "giveaway" with ever-changing rules, random chance, a prize, and consideration (e.g. he gets and in fact demands something out of it), across state lines and where one of those states is California … To say nothing of his relationship with Intel and that whole hostage situation "apology" video, DoucheLord is in a whole pile of legal shit if someone decides they want to prosecute him for running an illegal lottery. In which he changed the rules multiple times after people had won. In California. Where they mercilessly enforce laws against those things which contain teeth. It's a good thing he didn't livestream himself doing those things or publish in writing that he has done, is doing, and intends to continue to do these things while being the hero of his own mind. I feel bad for the people who worked for him. But Noah DoucheLord can eat an entire bag of dicks.
AKA 'Consume a Satchel of Richards'
wasnt the tax issue the fact that they were reducing the taxes using a full price of the PCs despite the fact that the parts were sponsored by another company (Intel in this case). Another thing is also during the sweapstakes you cannot deny the rewards as long as the participants didnt broken the written rules - its a criminal offence in that state for example. You cannot also change the rules while the sweapstake is running.
@@whirledpeaz5758 Consume sack of Richard
I just want to understand the name of the company. Wtf does Artesian have to do with computers? Or custom computers. Artisan, now I'd get that. That would make sense. But Artesian??? Friggin wells? I dunno dude did kinda throw it all down a well in the end I guess.
@@whirledpeaz5758 You win 2x internets.
I just realized that the big font that says "when a company suspends operations it is possible to resume operations if it receives financial assistance" was him trying to get YOU to send him financial assistance. I know that sounds like a stretch, but the fact it comes out of nowhere, and then its followed by "this statement is in no way reflective of blah blah blah" along with the font changes and the fact it comes out of LITERALLY nowhere... He wanted to take advantage of your willingness to help. Thats why he was being so nice to you and why he made that post to his workers saying "we love GN" or whatever, because he knew you'd see it. It's hyper manipulative but I've known people like that before and they never directly ask for shit, they just constantly talk about it in hopes that you'll make an offer so that it will feel like YOUR idea. It's disgusting but its literally playing on someones sympathy, and honestly I'm glad you didn't understand why he put that there, because to someone like him, that probably hurt his pride, knowing that he's not as good as manipulating as he thought, cause those people HATE being called out or not getting their way.
Can i just say, Thank you for staying up so late to get this produced and shared. Thanks Steve.
“And on the 12th day of the company closure, tech Jesus took in several abandoned tech engineers and began the journey to bring his followers to prosperous lands” Seriously though Steve, what an incredible dude you are. So much love and appreciation for you and your crew and all the great things you do for our expansive community
Feels more like Tech Moses than Tech Jesus.
At this point, I feel Steve is actually becoming a Tech Jesus, not just by looks, but now by deed. Trying to get the ex-employees hired elsewhere. This is an Amazing guy.
You know it's bad when a joke become real.
He already is.
Putting people on pedestals like that is toxic.
@@kouyasakurada5547 This much is fine, I honestly think Steve is behaving with more integrity than the average youtuber/person. And that is fine to point out.
@@kouyasakurada5547 he's not "putting him" anywhere, he just made a reference. immediately looking for things to complain about after reading a comment definitely is toxic however
Great video GN, I think it is fantastice what you are doing here.
So many companies have weathered worse than this. Just give a 'genuine' apology and promise to do better. Noah's Ego tanked the whole company. Hate to see it but also hate to see a sociopath like this as the CEO. Good luck to all employees.
Steve, I just realized this. Raffles, give away, and other such "prize related promotions" are regulated by either the FTC and/or the IRS. Artesian Builds might be in legal hot water for 1. Not reporting raffle build winners (PCs have monetary value) and 2. changing the rules mid giveaway without informing the participants first. It would be as if the Powerball or the Megamillions lottery changed ball sets (number of balls) right before or during a drawing, You can't do that legally. And states where these promotions are running will also have rules as well. I suspect that the legal and financial ramifications of this might have caught up to them, and shuttering the company may be their attempt at avoiding those obligations. They probably flew under the radar because of their size, but when this story blew up, it probably drew attention of state and/or federal regulators. Oops.
Hoeg Law did a video about them and the difference between a raffle and a lottery. He's not their lawyer so he can't say if that they did was illegal or not but he did suggest some folks might want to talk to an attorney so make of that what you will.
From a purely legal standpoint they are probably in hot water. The problem is I doubt anyone cares enough to pay the legal fees to sue a company over this, especially considering it’s about to disappear and there soon will be nothing left. A state might or another legal body, but probably won’t be fast enough and I’m sure that the CEO will manage to weasel out of it
FTC yes, IRS no. IRS is strictly tax related issues as well as funding in resulting to a bill passed in congress. IRS has nothing to do with raffels, etc. except to tax the person(s) and/or companies receiving the good (or goods), as such maybe subject to being taxed based on values. From what I understand, if such item or items are above a certain value, the company must submit tax documents so consumer pays tax and consumer is aware of that. FTC - Federal Trade Commission - They deal many situations that has to do with B2B (Business to Business) & B2C (Business to Consumer) transactions. Basically, businesses have to follow rules as established by FTC as well as other local laws, licenses, etc. depending on what is being "traded". As far as prizes and things, that mainly depends on local jurisdictions. Raffles, giveaways, and other related terms may be subject to Gambling and/or Game Commissions within such locations. I'm no lawyer, but this is just based on what I have researched.
@@Dragoonski Company? No, I'd not be interested in suing the company. CEO, on the other hand, yeah. I want your house, your car, any other financial assets, and I want you out on the street by tomorrow. Oh and I want your business license permanently revoked. What would I do with all that? Give it to someone (or multiple people) who deserve it. Because clearly the CEO doesn't.
It seems to me that Noah Katz was less inclined to deal with the day-to-day operations of running a business, and much more inclined to make himself famous. In that, he succeeded beyond his wildest expectations. Noah Katz is now wicked famous; though I am sure it's not exactly what he intended.
only for 15 minutes, though
Infamy is the word.
Tell me you're from New England without telling me you're from New England. "Wicked famous" If you're not, consider a visit I guess.
Hahaha
Somewhere a monkey paw finger curls...
It sounds like they were investor-funded and never had positive cash flow. That would explain how they could have high order volume but still run out of money really quickly in a disruption. If you investors back out in that situation, you're done.
Imagine a "no following" twitch streamer just absolutely nuking a company into non-existence. This is some shit you couldn't even make up. I'm glad that kiapia is getting all the love though and hope that this turns into a golden ticket. So much free press and interest that if utilized can create a very solid career.
I’m hoping that kiapia gets multiple offers for a free computer after this. Entirely preventable scenario for Artesian but this is where Katz is at now.
That screenshot Weest got where the CEO claimed their “social medias were DDOSed” had me bawling at how pathetic this all is
@wow gey
They reformatted the drives and installed DR-DOS!
Flux capacitor’s been overloaded guys… it’s a bust
Server ran out of dedicated RAM. Everyone go home, sorry :(
It really does warm my heart that in a world rife with cynical and shady corporations and businessmen, we have guys like the GN team fighting the good fight
Yes, yes, corporations and profit oriented businesses are your friends. Now buy some merch for you and your family to show your appreciation for the good fight.
Steve is like a beacon of truth and honesty. Keep doing what your doing and I will like, up vote and recommend the work you do. It actually reinforces the quality and honesty of the reviews and recommendations that you produce.
@@DGP406 cringe
@@DGP406 its not intrinsically evil to run a business that uses it's platform to independently report on the wrong doing of the world. believe it or not, in this capitalistically society we've entombed ourselves in one does need a little bit of money to get places.
@@DGP406 yes yes, anyone richer or more powerful than you is out to get you. anything capitalist or profit-oriented is inherently evil, something something 1%. I'm sure you've completely insulated yourself from any goods, services, an/or content that is created by the exploitation of labor. My hero.
I had a pc built last year by the East coast division and to date, its working great. I feel so bad for those who will lose their money because he went bankrupt! Those poor employees! They were wonderful to deal with Katz on the other hand was an egotistical narcissistic person. I guess I’ll lose out on my 5 year warranty but at least I got a good build. They were recommended by another KZheadr who has since distanced himself. He explained what happened and said that he could not in good conscience continue to promote them and he was a big ambassador. Great work! Love your channel!
I am 54 years old. Own a business. have employees. I have seen these type of people and business come and go. There is no easy ride. You get up you work your ass off and you put food on the table. This guy Noah got rich fast and thought, oh this will never end. it always does. Always. The host of this channel I know, i can tell, he has been through tough times. He cares. If he grew a 20m a year company. It would last, cause he is not out to be a social media jerk off. A company should be like a family. Care about everyone and help them, cause they will help you.
The "thanks Steve" always craks me up LOL
its a timeless meme
It's like a "...thank's Steve" coming from a sadpepe.png
The gall of stating in an email that Steve is one of their idols in the tech world, while simultaneously being someone Steve would absolutely despise is so fucking aggravating to me.
People who're this close to being diagnosable NPD cases are incapable of looking at themselves critically.
You guys are the real ones! The community needs what you guys do more than ever!