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Space mining will never happen. Even on the Moon. Too many variables to have people in space suits and drilling rigs in the vacuum of space. It's going to be a lot easier to attach some engines to a 100 or 200m M-asteroid, or capture it in a giant net, and "navigate it" to earth orbit and control-crash it in Nevada, or the Sahara desert, and then comfortably strip it here on earth.
Can you make a video about space junk solutions?
This concept reminds me of the series The Expanse. Where Mars is colonized and the belt becomes a colony called the Belters and how this idea becomes a reality and how they interplay together. lol
Yeah, especially the bit about how the workers are treated. Let's just say you don't want to pioneer that frontier.
Yeah…I’ve seen The Expanse and I’ve played Red Faction. There is no way Mars becomes Earth’s vassal. This is why I’m 100% behind Elon and SpaceX and the dream of settling Mars with humans. It gives an opportunity for culture and civilization untethered to the legacy issues of Earth and its mess of nations and constituencies. It provides and advantage of access to the Belt & the outer solar system…and ultimately, puts Earth on notice before it’s bullshit and greed spreads into the rest of the system.
Its one of the best tv series out there! Very much recommended for any sci-fi enthusiast.
The expanse is without doubt the most underrated and underappreciated series in the history of science fiction.Its a fuckin masterpiece that sets your curiosity and imagination on fire..
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I hope I get to see personal spacecrafts in my lifetime, as if anyone can just take off from earth and head out into the stars whenever they want. Like Star Wars or Star Trek. Thanks for the video. It gets my mind moving again.
How old are you?
Your grandchildren won't get to see that.
currently there are three ways to do that now! no man's sky, kerbal space program and elite dangerous 😎🎮🚀
@@alaunaenpunto3690 I can still dream
@@donotcomply1628 nunyah
Heavy Metals. Judas Priest, Dio, Iron Maiden, Ozzy Osbourne, and Metallica. These metals are all inherently valuable and will be mined for rock forever.
This is actually hillarious!
Great content, well produced, and narrated . I really want all this to come about in my lifetime...Cheers and thank you.
I never even thought that Lunar Regulith would actually float if disturbed enough in low gravity. That would be a static sand storm you couldn't escape, and wouldn't go away easily.
The very reason why space stations will be far more important than anyone can imagine. Simply because we can control the conditions there and make them to our liking. 😉
You could just net an asteroid. So you launch a space-mining rig to mine asteroids. It used a booster to get going. Then when it approaches the asteroid, it deploys a net. This net can be deployed off center of the craft thanks to it operating in zero-G and airless environment. the rig passed or overshoots it's target but it is caught in the net. The net is attached to the space-mining rig by cables that can work as shock absorbers. Also each cable is hooked up to pully system which can adjust cable tension on the lines as needed. The pully system can then pull the space-mining rig onto the asteroid in which it will start setting up for mining. Also, the net can be used to minimize the loss of material of through landing/launching resource pods and the mining operation itself.
I am really interested in how the lunar dust will be managed. I guess each astronaut would carry a Dustbuster on their belt and it would look like a Star Trek TNG phaser. 🤣
There is research being done on an electromagnetic dust shield, since the dust is electrostatically charged
@@ebonaparte3853 Imagine we get personal "shields" this century. One step closer to finding out what Sci-Fi timeline we are one. Im hoping we are either on the Mass Effect timeline, or Halo. Im cool with both.
i heard in some areas the dust is a few feet thick, not granular dust but as fine as powder.
I Think we should cover the area's we are moving around with an adhesive material like cement !
@@markdefelice3700 Or look into that shield.
the ship you showed at 3 15 is a good start give it a turbo ion drive with throttle control, thrusters all over it,a giant vacuum at the front of it with a dust/waste extractor
Brings to mind the question- how would a vacuum cleaner work in the nearly perfect vacuum of space?
All silliness. We love the silliness.
Makes me think of the series "The Expanse"
Your videos are fantastic, please keep them coming!
So, if you could use magnetic force to separate the iron from other elements in the asteroids. Then use some of the iron to build a cargo container (in space) to transport the other metals back to Earth in the container. Then you only need to send the forward section and maybe some heat shields back into space. This would greatly reduce payload weight and therefor fuel costs
Good thinking! Just maybe not iron. Some other material, though. I doubt that they would make shipping containers out of iron, Much too heavy, brittle, and would take enormous amounts of electricity to inductively smelt the iron.
@@tobyihli9470 I personally don't think metals are great building material for vehicles or structures given their malleable nature and temperature weaknesses. But the large quantities present were just something to consider.
SPACE has a unlimited supply of minerals and we will be mining them in the future.
Dude. I absolutely love this Channel. It's right up there with Matt Lowne, Scott Manley, Marcus House, and "What About It?" Keep up the good work, my dude. I'm not British, but. Cheers!
@TheSpaceRaceYT What makes you think that on the moon dust stays up suspended above the surface? Here on earth it's the air molecules keeping dust in the air. In a vacuum the dust will fall back to the surface at the same speed as a rock, or anything else. Look at footage of the moon rovers driving at speed and you can see it clearly.
Would capture and transfer to LEO or, to Lunar orbit/intentionally impact on the back side of the moon make it easier for mining?
While there are some interesting advantages to making a earth or lunar orbital in space manufacturing and refining base the issue of supplying it with asteroids is considerable. One might be able to work the numbers and theory to "bag" a small asteroid and bring it home, unless your spacecraft can refuel itself with whatever is refined the costs will exceed any potential revenue. Note, this is the issue for all the options, moon, mars or otherwise, just varying levels of complexity, capital, operating costs, and alternative potential revenue options, what will happen remains to be seen.
There's no way to make a sufficently 'gentle' impact on the Moon. The results, given lack of atmosphere, would literally put serious amounts of high-speed ejecta (we already worry about what rocket exhaust would do) all over the Moon and any human facilities there, as well in orbit (threatening satellites and stations) and cluttering near-Lunar space (L1 and L2 at risk?). And the inevitable public relations nightmare around putting it in LEO would just not be worth it. It's why we once considered returning a small asteroid to *Lunar* orbit for human visitation, instead.
Capturing an asteroid around the moon or Earth for mining could be useful, as the non-valuable stuff could be used simply for shielding a large next gen space station. Maybe you could put a whole steel factory up there and make plating from the abundant iron. Obviously you'd need to take a lot of care that your maneuver doesn't put the asteroid on a collision course with Earth, and that the mining process doesn't create junk that contributes to Kessler scenarios.
Whoever nails doing asteroid mining will be unbelievably rich i imagine
The dust problem only solution is a procedure concealment barrier. Suite, tools and equipment must remain outside the living and work space. Electrostatic curtains wall for every passing outside to inside. Space suits must be designed for all users to enter them from the backside. Be sealed and then released clamps be freed from the colony base outside walls. Reverse procedure is the suited back walks into the colony base wall. So the worker never tracks dust inside. The dust remains outside. Because the suites remain outdoors.
Separate from content good job on narration. I was listening to a different channel and it was just unpleasant and it made me realize there is a skill to doing narration that is nice to listen to, it’s going to be a big asset for your channel, not everyone can do it.
Super educational. Thank you.
Keep it up 👍 .Great content
A little over twenty years ago, NASA landed the Near-Earth-Asteroid-Rrendezvous (NEAR) Shoemaker Mission probe onto the surface of asteroid 433 Eros. It's a pity more people don't remember that accomplishment. The orbiter had completed studying the asteroid and NASA decided to land it on the surface - just to see if they could do it.
May I propose not mining Mars as it is a gravity well but rather nudging smaller asteroids into its orbit and using the gravity well to dispose of the left overs from the operations. Or in other words, "Look out, below." So Mars orbit would be the goal as would the asteroid belt and then the products like iridium, platinum series metals, special isotopes could go to Earth and more basic stuff could stay "semi-local" for orbiting habitat construction.
My idea is that I think we should just mine the shit out of our Moon. How many craters are on the moon and we know exactly where they are. Plus it's close to Earth
to collect asteroids before they vanish into the sun is a mission (send solar sails to alter the asteroids orbits little by little for a bigger and bigger mars moon for stronger and stronger tidal forces )
@@travism.3594At first. Then we should mine other bodies. The Moon has a lot, but it doesn’t have everything.
Or nudge ice filled asteroids into Mars to enhance/increase water content.
@@garyking6262 do both - every mars garage will have orbital rockets (melt large amomts of ice with reflectors, water absorbs dust and radiation as heat, boiloff be greenhouse insulation and atmospheric pressure - once it rains fish can survive mars nature )
Has any one thought of using a space craft like the shuttle ?? Has a large bay to transfer equipment to the site and could be left behind for bringing back the mined mineral ???
We are always saying "final Fronter." There's always something more. Who knows after space maybe the next Fronter is another universe or a higher demention
Unfortunately space is really hard to do and we can barely do it. Best case scenario is a world similar to the show “The Expanse” in 200-500 years minus the proto molecule.
We can hardly do it NOW. Technology is progressing fast though.
If I get resources, here is what I'll do : 1. Find out the smallest asteroid which has minerals 2. Build a spacecraft that has a net to catch that asteroid (like a fish) 3. Bring that asteroid to Earth - basically on the ocean surface like floating .. then mine it My plan is more cost-effective, safe, and feasible.
I was wondering about a year ago about the accumulation of metals during the formation of Venus and thought that maybe Venus would have more heavy metals than the Earth or Mars.(it’s really complicated to explain why). Yes Venus now is Satan’s version of the Caribbean but if a special machine, like the Alvin or Trieste, could be built, then mining on the surface of Venus would be possible
Venus no doubt has a higher yield of heavy metals and precious minerals, but the thickness of its atmosphere and the intensity of its gravitational pull makes landing on venus and leaving with resources to go back to earth completely out of question, unless you could manufacture a completely new spacecraft once you get there and fill it up entirely with fuel. To escape earths gravity you need ungodly amounts of fuel, but escaping the gravity of planets like mars and moons like ours is easy because of how they are much smaller and therefore have less gravity, plus they essentially lack an atmosphere in our standards. Venus is the size of earth however so if it was already hard enough to get to mars and back with low gravity and basically a vacuum for an atmosphere, Venus is out of question, with its size massive and it’s atmosphere with the consistency of water. So you are right in theory, but I don’t see anyone landing there any time in the future.
@@persoonmars1828By the time we are capable of doing anything meaningful with Venus, we surely would've figured out nuclear fission or perhaps another technology that could provide enough energy for very powerful rockets without needing large fuel tanks.
@@recycledwaste8737 true
That was a smooth segway into the plug. 😂
Wonderful TY
Dust issues can be solved though understanding electrostatic energy. Just create a conductive mesh and power it up to repel it.
Very nice animations🎉🎉
I am 45, i see this happening in my lifetime.
While I doubt we'll see full trade between Earth & Mars in my lifetime... I'll ensure my kids & grandkids understand the importance of space & the mysteries beyond!
sidenote: many metals love being disolved in molten iron. that's the term siderophil. especially platinum group elements love being dissolved in iron.
Actually there is a limit to the number of types of materials and resources in space because many asteroids, moons and planets have not contained Water and have not experienced Plate Tectonics, two things that are necessary for many minerals to be formed and materials to be what they are.
The answer to mining in outer space : The Moon & Mars , We need to examine How we mine here on earth Underground . Using such technology as " Tunnel Boring machines " and Coal mining shuttles ... Yes...they'd need to be adapted for Space but they Work...
blankets and the use of electrostatic forces may be a small answer. freezing or melting or plastic cementing may be another answer to dust.
why not put 2-3 starship on the back of astroid and splash it to earth ??
Maybe the best way to capture astroid rubble may be to spray water or water to ice particles around it and then melt the ice into a surrounding form to capture the whole asteroid. The ice would be melted with lasers. At 32 degrees the ice could possibly be turned into a clay using astroid materials and the water and flown back to earths orbit. At 32 degrees we could create tempered highly reflective ice mirrors to use solar energy to melt the outside of the astroid into a solid surface to be moved.
All science fiction , we cant even get a grain elevator in to space and back in one piece
Fascinating
Great video that really highlights the potential of Mars as a resource hub. It's a theme we're also exploring in our game, where players can virtually mine and utilize Mars' resources.
Ottima e realistica esposizione di come stanno realmente le cose là fuori. Quando lo capiranno tutti, forse smetteranno di farsi la guerra e di rovinare per capriccio questo meraviglioso pianeta. Se hanno voglia di combattere, c'è tutto l'universo da conquistare, e non sarà facile! Hurry up!
NASA has pretty much got the lunar dust thing under control. If I remember correctly by ionizing the area near and inside the entry point of a ship or structure the dust falls away. Weird how physics works.
I seldom see mention of lava tubes on the Moon and on Mars. These could provide valuable shelter wherever they're found. Silly thought: a cheap and easy way to make sandpaper on the Moon would be to stick flypaper on the lunar soil.
Asteroid mining would be sick but mars mining nah thats a whole diffrent thing
10:08, fusion, "if we can" we just did. as for the space dust and mining on the moon, move underground. and build a space elevator to the station the U.S. is planning. with the low gravity it would be easy.
"Good Stuff," merci.
First stuff to send to mars in research and prospecting gear and food. Second trip, mining gear and refining plants and food . Third trip is machine tools and moulds and food. You could have a partially self sustaining site on mars with a small population inside of 10 years since there is a 2.5 year round trip. Of course if someone build a giant ship in orbit and uses that as a freighter back and forth instead of 50k large rockets from earth it could be done faster. Just have to drop giant containers from orbit of mars to the surface to be recovered by the ground crew and then the ship travels back for more. The dropped containers could be used for early hab modules or later on recycled for other stuff that is needed.
@The Space Race: It's Hydrogen-3 aka Tritium that's an important fuel for Fusion. Helium-3 is important for dilution refrigeration capable of millikelvin cooling for quantum computers!
How much gravity do we humans need to survive in space? Can we survive on Mars or the moon based on the gravity alone?
No
Dust on the moon does not "Linger " above the surface as there is no air to keep it aloft, it falls at the same speed as sand and gravel. It may be possible to repell it with static charges or simple electron beam emitters.
The surface is already statically charged because of an interaction with sunlight. So yes, it does linger.
Other than that, these videos arevamazing!
The Asteroids contain Metals in the almost refined state and no gravity well to lift out of. A ship that must undergo the stresses of multiple landings and lift offs is far more difficult to design, fabricate, and operate than a ship designed and built for operation in a microgravity environment.
First pass at survey would be radar mapping as the more metal the greater the return signal.
For the journey of miners, radiation in space maybe can alter DNA permanently,which in turn can cause issues for human(include for the purpose of reproduction), and without stable population, economy will has difficult to develop between earth and other planets.Hence , radiation issues maybe are not simple as to put on shield, certain medicine will needed also.
If you mine the moon wouldn't that change its mass and therefore change its orbit? 🤔 🌎 💫 🌕
I think ur underestimating how massive even the moon is. No human activity could possibly change its mass enough to make a noticeable difference. Plus tiny fluctuations in mass happen all the time anyway when it gets hit by comets.
I love your intros now
how long does it take for the inner belt to orbit the sun. we can make fuel stations
Maybe collecting and processing the lunar dust itself for building material and needed elements? 🤔
I have a suggestion to do with us bring the resources to Earth easier we use the moon as a depot then raw material down-to-earth using a starship
My understanding is that the craters on earth do not have a meteorite at the bottom of them(melted and blown back out during collision). Why would the craters any where else be different?
Industry is inevitably necessary, otherwise you cant finance the cost. Specially considering earth's gravity.
Disturbed dust on the moon will settle down very quickly.
What about some sort of dome that has a hefty filter system kinda thing to maybe take care of the lunar dust, moon shop vacs lmao
I’m all for automated probes herding asteroids onto the dark side of the moon into a particular crater. Do this for a while then pause to start mining. Make sure they don’t land super hard though. Ion drives could be used to do this effectively but slowly because you aren’t surveying them just collecting them. Still moon dust to contend with though.
Have there been probes sent to the polar regions on Mars to check out the ice caps? Why not if not?
In terms of import & export there should be a net balance in favor of export of mass from Earth.
Im wondering who names al these planets and mountains
I love it I definitely see the payback in investing into space especially with precious metals or diamonds
There are already enough diamonds on THIS planet. And your "precious" metals won't be precious if your deliver tons and tons of it from space.
Also good video 👍
@1:42 You say the heavies metals will sink down into the surface....I think you meant sink down...through the surface.
Dust falls back to the surface in a vacuum.
There is no plausible path to profitably mining mars in the near or medium term. Earth masses as much as the rest of the inner solar system combined and most of the minerals are here. The idea that we are running out of metals is absurd. It is more difficult to access most of our minerals, but ocean floor mining and even penetrating the crust to reach the mantle would be cheaper than mining mars and shipping it back to earth. There might be a niche industry for extremely precious materials, but we will never see bulk minerals mined and sent back to earth.
Born to early, I wish we would have a functional version of cryogenics so I can freeze myself to the future. :)
Hold the phone. NASA just announced a few weeks back that they solved the dust issue by ionizing the particles at least in an airlock when entering ionizing it makes it fall from your EVA suit then it can be vacuumed up and deposited back outside or collected and used as 3D printing material or whatever heck put it in your oatmeal. LOL
Alas poor Saturn. I knew it's rings well.
The hugest mistake here is extrapolation of current propulsion technology into the asteroid-mining future. There is no way to start space mining operation before developing robust nuclear, or better fusion propulsion tech.
Wow 😲
Yessss add more mass to the earth, whats the worst that could happen...
If an asteroid was dense enough in metals, I wonder if it would be viable to anchor a mining vessel to it using strong electromagnets.
So you mine all these many tons of material and then return to earth for re-entry and land?
What happened to Titan possibly being a suitable place to colonise
Far out, extremely low gravity, extremely low temperatures, and is very low density at 1.88 g/cm meaning it has almost no metal and is predominantly rock and ice
chanses are asteroids origin from planets spinning themselves to pieces (where solar wind follows the suns magnetic fluxlines planets occur )
Copy Commander and message received. I have start my mining runs in Star Citizen O7.
I believe the future of all future technology is in mining our solar system. In order for all the ideas and technology we have seen in SyFy movies we need rocks with resources. So my idea is we need a moon base that allows us to send probes 100s a year that can look and capture rocks we need for mining. The probes capture the rocks and bring them back using fusion rockets and unmanned technology. Once they are in orbit near the moon we mine them and process the material for spaceships or anything else we need. Then ship them to Earth or Mars
Big arse nets, load em up with boulders and ship em back. See The Expanse for what I mean. Wont be 100% there is prob some inertia stuff with the nets we are not aware but that would be the best bet. My idea is to send the harvester there with a foundry attachment so it harvests and ships back only pure metal or gases. Not raw ore.
I always believed the Asteroid Belt was a planet that got destroyed millions of years ago. But then what do I know and I won't get to see any of this happen (I'm 70), been waiting for the return to the Moon for 50 years
Well ever heard of atom formers, will not only make us multiplayer but also save our world and make us deposits independent forever and all the metals will ever need and never ending
It costs $2500 - 3000/kg to LEO on Falcon 9 & Falcon Heavy, and it will cost ~$70/kg to LEO on Starship…. That’s your target for mining water on the moon.
I think the 2020s will end in a high note
Not sure how you got to the conclusion that Mars will be cheapest to mine on. It's more difficult and expensive in every way compared to the moon, except for landing maybe. The biggest plus for the moon is that we could easily build mass drivers to send stuff back to Earth. And it'll only take 3 days to drop them on your head. Faster than your average Amazon delivery lol.
Do you realise how long and how much expense it would take to mine on mars using earth bound massive machinery? Then processing to a stage viable for earth despatch?
Just a minor (miner?) nitpick. Platinum group metals are not rare earths. That's a different classification. Though to be fair, the former are certainly rare and precious, so point taken with regards to seeking them out in an asteroid.
Mining in Space is needed to live in space, but we are still in Orbit of Earth… After we have hundreds of space habitats orbiting Earth and the Moon, we will have a mining infrastructure for Moon Mining and Near-Earth Asteroid Mining. Then someone will have the Idea of running the Space Habitats along the Earth Mars Orbit, and want to mine the Asteroids in that orbit. Before we have Space Habitats orbiting Mars, we will be filling O2 Tanks via. Moxie along with a water mining system from the ice of Mars. Along with O2 and Ice from Mars, I’m sure the lack of atmosphere causes a lot of Helium 3. The power we need in space will come from every rock of space from the leavings of the Solar Wind on every rock without a thick atmosphere.
We made a major breakthrough in nuclear fusion a few months back. Startups are making even more breakthroughs. Fusion is no longer a scientific problem, but an engineering problem. And we can probably solve that.
We made a significant yet still _teeny tiny_ breakthrough - both literally and figuratively. We're still a long, long, ways away from a "Mr. Fusion" in the basement of every home.
@@nicholashylton6857 We proved that we can make a fusion reaction that produces more energy than what was put into it. We have solved the scientific problem. Now we need to solve the engineering problem.
@@ebonaparte3853 The breakthrough was that the fusion event exceeded the amount of laser energy directed at the capsule. The rub is that it did not exceed the amount of energy required to power the lasers themselves. That's the next big hurdle for the National Ignition Facility.
@@nicholashylton6857 One step at a time. And it won’t be in the basement of every home. Fusion infrastructure will probably be like the power infrastructure today: power plants and transmission lines.
6 months ago, the first fusion reactors were revealed to the public so yes, nuclear fusion power is real get still needs about more development.
Needs to get far enough past break-even before it's worth considering 'useful'. Right now fission reactors are the only realistic power source, other than solar.
Wake me up when it's powering my home.