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Who is the BEST player from the 2017 draft class?
@RobTalksHockey3 жыл бұрын
the man who had 13 points in his rookie season cody glass, he’s obviously the best here when doing nothing so far
@kaig13893 жыл бұрын
Toss up between Patrick, Andersson, and Mittelstadt
@mjp27663 жыл бұрын
I really like nick Suzuki he played with one of my brothers friends in Owen Sound so I’m hoping he keeps playing well
@mvp63643 жыл бұрын
Petey but I’m an avs fan and I love Makar he’s second best for sure.
@ethan94093 жыл бұрын
Petterson no doubt about it
@jonsmittle19743 жыл бұрын
“Colorado is going to be a scary team” - yes. They just won the Stanley cup, with Makar as the MVP and also winning the Norris trophy.
@vitaly6312 Жыл бұрын
THE BENCH IS DEEP
@thomaskauser8978 Жыл бұрын
Good team but a healthy tampa this year especially point being out, that speed i think would have finished the job for 3 in a row.
@SuperEddy72 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperEddy72 lol, no
@xonerex7501 Жыл бұрын
@@xonerex7501 cant argue, thats why i said i think lol
@SuperEddy72 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperEddy72 Fair enough
@xonerex7501 Жыл бұрын
His first goal, on his first shift, in his first ever NHL game, with his parents in the stands...the Pepsi Center exploded with cheers. He started his career with a bang and I can't imagine that it will anything but hall of fame-worthy.
@squeakersquad3 жыл бұрын
It’s wasn’t his first shift but yea lol
@co_snowy2 жыл бұрын
Send everyone that scored a goal in their first game straight to the HOF
@LonerNomad2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't his first shift. Just his first shot. You think they'd bench him until the 2nd period? Lol
@cybercypher71682 жыл бұрын
It was his first shot too
@HaloAmbienceAndMore2 жыл бұрын
Jake guentzel did the same thing and he went to to win the cup
@highlight71552 жыл бұрын
Watching this today, the day after Makar wins the Conn Smythe and Stanley Cup. It was nice to see his journey.
@akaylamendoza287 Жыл бұрын
"Get yourself a Cale Makar" - Landeskog
@My_Naginta Жыл бұрын
Im watching this today
@darmbains9727 Жыл бұрын
I went to school with this kid. I was even his defence partner one year when we were like 8. He has always been ridiculously good at hockey.
@tomwilson39693 жыл бұрын
Hes right, i was the coach
@cujo20363 жыл бұрын
Do you remember me playing goalie? Yeah, I'm carter hart
@mr.productions70843 жыл бұрын
Can confirm. I was the scorekeeper.
@itsapplesaucetoaboss82163 жыл бұрын
@@itsapplesaucetoaboss8216 so that's why I got so many points back then lol
@tomwilson39693 жыл бұрын
@@tomwilson3969 I have a jersey of this guy
@isaiahscobel3 жыл бұрын
As a devils fan, I’m here to remind you that Nico was NOT a bust and has been super helpful to us as a team, he’s just no Makar.
@snfriedm Жыл бұрын
As a fellow devils fan, I second this statement
@TheRealLulZ91 Жыл бұрын
As a Flyers fan, I really can't say the same about Nolan Patrick. What a headache (both literally and figuratively).
@bloke_19xx33 Жыл бұрын
Nobody is like Makar, it's an unfair comparison for Nico
@mcsheaman Жыл бұрын
As a devils fan, I can say that nico may not have the raw talent of makar, but he still is a great player with plenty of potential. I see him becoming more of a Backstrom of Zajac style of player
@devilsfan2462 Жыл бұрын
@@devilsfan2462 yeah Nico is playing solid just different play styles and the obvious skill gap but it’s not even fair to compare anyone else to makar except probably Bobby Orr 🤷♂️
@CreateJDM2 ай бұрын
Makar simply raised the level of this Avalanche team from the moment he stepped on the ice for his first game(in the playoffs) and just helped in a huge way getting this team back to the 3rd round in 20 years! #AllHailCale #GoAvsGo #FindAWay
@gicueN17R0 Жыл бұрын
"Mini" Erik Karlsson on their hands? I'd say he's there now !!
@MrManfly Жыл бұрын
@@MrManfly Arguably surpassed him now with his Norris & Conn Smythe season
@hcburner Жыл бұрын
Makar going to the Stanley Cup after a 5 point closeout game to sweep the Oilers. Dude is unreal.
@mattallen2392 Жыл бұрын
You predicted well and correct. And he won playoff MVP!
@isaacklostermann3936 Жыл бұрын
@@isaacklostermann3936 He delivered!!! However, the ad on this KZhead probably will not deliver $ 1000 for making a salad.
@rbrb3625 Жыл бұрын
As an old-school guy from the 70's and 80's who's literally talked Hockey in person with Bobby Orr-- you'll often hear guys from my generation not give credit to any of the younger players. But this kid is for real... A generational player. His vision of the moving chess pieces, his ability to keep his head up while stick handling, and his Hockey IQ. Just a special special player.
@RecoveringGenius Жыл бұрын
If he could only learn to play defense.
@rodhenson7657Ай бұрын
@@rodhenson7657 Perhaps you know, but the same criticism was given to Bobby Orr... especially in regards to him always being deep in the offensive zone... His response was classic, he said "You know, when you have the puck that's a pretty good defense" LOL But Makar is more like Bobby Orr and Paul Coffey crashing the net and lots of time in the offensive zone. Whereas, Lidstrom and Bourque were more traditional stay-at-the-point or always hang back type of positional players. All were fantastic just different styles... Coffey was a great skater and he had a great passer in Gretzky so he'd crash the net a lot... But hey, I'd take any of the guys I just mentioned! Cheers mate
@RecoveringGeniusАй бұрын
If it's about Cale I'm clicking
@dylankennedy93833 жыл бұрын
Reports have recently come out that in that draft Flyers scouts were telling Ron Hextal to pick Makar 2nd overall but Hextal chose Patrick instead against scout recommendations.
@shawnwedekind99642 жыл бұрын
That's pretty on brand for the Flyers. Makar is better off because they would have just churned and burned him without giving him the extra time in NCAA to develop. And the org doesn't seem to value puck moving defenseman, they never gave Ghost a fair shot either.
@NoBody13992 жыл бұрын
And i will forever hate hextall for it.
@frankytanky5076 Жыл бұрын
I’d hate to be a scout
@thewu6252 Жыл бұрын
@@thewu6252 same, being constantly ignored by arrogant owners and gms would suck
@yankees2864 Жыл бұрын
@@yankees2864 I just recently watched hustle with Adam sander and I feel like a lot of scouts feel like Adam sandler in that movie
@thewu6252 Жыл бұрын
Avs fan here so obviously I agree. However, both Miro and Elias are right up there so really, 3,4,5 may be one of the best trio at those spots in Draft history. All 3 have a real chance at being the top player from that class.
@eggstu3 жыл бұрын
Toews Backstrom Kessel 2006
@jogendron6320 Жыл бұрын
Miro and Elias are class but Makar is another level
@jejsemin33 Жыл бұрын
@@jejsemin33 Petey is starting to get a lot better. Not quite makars level but he has bridged the gap quite a bit this season. He has an all around game now. Who knows he might be putting up 100+ points yearly if he was on colorado. We saw how that benefitted kadri.
@canuck2444 Жыл бұрын
Makar is so incredibly good on defense. He shut McDavid down while still producing crazy offense. Best D man in the league right now.
@opticalecho119 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, Rob. Well researched and well presented. Thanks for sharing your passion with us benders.
@RT-me3wn3 жыл бұрын
Cale is a really talented guy. Colorado have the craziest line-up now, looking better than what they have in many years. Surely another Stanley Cup is on the way within the near future... Great hockey.
@crystalskylight93273 жыл бұрын
It will be an utter failure if there isn't at LEAST one Cup in the next 3 years with this Avs team.
@JABoyle38752 жыл бұрын
In the real near.
@gbot3377 Жыл бұрын
@@JABoyle3875 Number 1 coming right up.
@gbot3377 Жыл бұрын
@@gbot3377 Just realised I wrote this comment a year ago lol! Yep here we are now. In the FINALS !
@crystalskylight9327 Жыл бұрын
@@crystalskylight9327 Hahaha! Great prediction. The near future is now and it came fast, haha. Makar is like beyond human. The team's passing and skill seems another level compared to all others. Extremely fun to watch. Just have to finish now. Too bad about Kadri! Leading assist guy.
@gbot3377 Жыл бұрын
I think this was your best video yet! I love this format!
@jackmannschreck7263 жыл бұрын
Love how much support your channel is getting bro. You deserve it! Great video
@LetsTalkHockey93 жыл бұрын
It’s kind of a cherry picked stat that he was chosen so late in the WHL draft. It was known he was going the NCAA route, so it would have been a waste of a high pick. Late picks in major juniors happen all the time for players committed to the NCAA route.
@mastakoho Жыл бұрын
thought Owen power had told teams he wanted to go back to college just to have another shot at WJC... he was still picked at #1
@jedmosko9992 Жыл бұрын
Well, i know its a year late but comparing him to Karlsson is a slap in the face to Makar at this point, kids a legend in the making especially with his first cup under his belt
@KovertMailMan Жыл бұрын
Lol
@naydra19910 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this video and really enjoyed learning about this new player I’ve been interested in lately. Thanks mate!!
@Matt-by3yd2 жыл бұрын
Video looked great Rob. I am a pretty new subscriber to your channel. I like your enthusiasm and the way you come across. Some of the other guys have seemed to slip into a monotone limbo lately. Keep up the great work brother 👍🏻👍🏻
@NIGHTBREED3R3 жыл бұрын
I saw him play in real life for UMass against AIC in Springfield. There was definitely a stark contrast in puck handling
@danielflynn85303 жыл бұрын
to me, it looks like the AVs made a lot of good choices for Makar's development. Normally, teams are quick to put the player on the roster after the draft
@anonymous134y Жыл бұрын
Avs wanted him after his freshman year though. I'm sure it would've worked out fine. But it was Makar,& his parents-who decided he needed another season of college hockey. A Hoby Baker,& trip to the National title game certainly didn't hurt.
@JasonSmith-pe5py Жыл бұрын
Future legend in Makar, and as a life long Flyer's fan, it is a very difficult pill to swallow (glad I watched the video, I had not realized he played in a lower junior division league and that is why it was difficult for scouts to gauge exactly how good he was! Keep this video up, you are likely going to get A LOT of views over the years!
@crookedzebrarecords Жыл бұрын
Hey Robbie I just saw this one I don’t know how I missed it great video buddy as usual thank you for putting these. I’m all balls and I really appreciate watching your channel
@scottritchie46642 жыл бұрын
Colorado also had the luxury of a much more complete roster than the Devils, Flyers and Stars which allowed them to take a risk and draft Makar. The potential was there but due the the leagues he played in as this video mentions, I think that and his size scared some teams away. Good on Colorado to take the risk, paid off big time! This video really made me think of why drafting is so hard and it makes me think of the Devils drafting Luke Hughes. It's very hard for things to align like they did in order for a team like the Avs to be able to take a risk on Makar and not be hurt too badly if he didn't pan out. Same with the Devils, very hard to end up the place to draft your beat players younger brother whom happens to be the exact position you need most and who is considered to have one of if not the highest ceiling of any 1st rounder in 2021 due to being an underage draft pick and almost an entire year younger than the 1st overall. Great video though! Scouting/drafting is extremely fascinating
@spicoli33572 жыл бұрын
Colorado had tanked the previous season to try to get the #1 overall pick though. Cale Makar was their consolation prize.
@AEMoreira812 жыл бұрын
The Avs just had a 48pt season and lost the lottery, let’s not act like this was the team it is now
@jamescarlson39312 жыл бұрын
Sakic wanted Heiskanen though, it is documented. Makar was a pretty good consolation prize, especially considering the Avs were frustrated their pick after tanking was all the way to the 4 spot.
@wallybipster Жыл бұрын
As an Avs fan I'll never forget watching the draft (I had to follow it on my phone) and I wanted Makar badly but didn't think he'd be there when the Avs picked. We all knew Patrick and Hischier were going 1/2, but I really thought the Stars would take Makar. I figured we were going to go with Cal Foote or even Brannstrom. When the Stars took Heiskanen I remember thinking "if we don't take Makar I'm going to be furious" and then we did. When he got his first shot to play with the Avs, in a playoff game, and looked so comfortable, I knew we had a really good player. Fast forward to now and he's absolutely one of our best guys and clearly the best defenseman on the team and among the best, if not the best in the league. Great video! Brought back some good memories.
@BoomerKeith12 жыл бұрын
I was hoping he'd fall down to the Sabres cause that's where he was projected. Obviously the avs were the only component team that were in the top 4 that year.
@scarycrazymann2 жыл бұрын
@@scarycrazymann well, I don't think you can say the stars did a bad pick with Heiskanen. Actually, Sakic was disappointed because he wanted Heiskanen, but had to "settle" for Makar.
@wallybipster Жыл бұрын
@@wallybipster probably doesn't regret that now lol. I think heiskanen still has yet to explode, defenceman usually take time to have a breakout season. Makar is the exception, he may even be even better.
@scarycrazymann Жыл бұрын
@@scarycrazymann absolutely. Both these guys started off well, but Makar was younger. I've never seen a D-man as fresh as Makar look so good from day 1. But with the way D-men tend to take time to develop, who knows what we'll be saying in a couple years. It's funny how the OC above mentioned Brannstrom, as I live closer to Ottawa these days, and he only started looking like a real solid up-and-coming player for the Sens this year, but that's more the norm. Also, the Sens...
@wallybipster Жыл бұрын
@@wallybipster Byram has been pretty impressive considering he’s the same age Makar was. Makar did have a couple of rookie mistakes in his first playoffs that I haven’t seen from Byram. For example when Makar scored on his own goal against Dallas. While I think Makar is more talented Byram has been even more poised than makar was at age 20. They’re gonna be a solid defensive pair for a long time.
@V3rnSqwd5611 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos, super informative! Thanks Rob
@xGamble3 жыл бұрын
Commenting on this in 2022 and you got this analysis bang on. Well done.
@ale2999 Жыл бұрын
One year on from the making of this video, MAKAR!!! He's just getting going and already making seasoned pros look average to downright silly.
@williamwilliam7282 жыл бұрын
Cale was a pleasure to watch here in Brooks and yes he was that good then, there were NHL potential players on many teams during his time here. Brooks has been a training ground for many talented players in part due to the coaching,training and scouting staff we have. Just watch for more players to come out of here… GO BANDITS GO and GO AVS GO.
@1bah Жыл бұрын
Very good video. Keep up the in depth looks at talent.
@RichardDolanrouteseo Жыл бұрын
Love these vids keep em comin!!!
@dylanbaker44653 жыл бұрын
I saw Makar play in Penticton at the WCC. He was unreal. After the first game I saw him play, you could see the top 10 potential in him.
@ColeTalksHockey673 жыл бұрын
The u19s are nowhere near the level of the u20 or even u 18 tourments
@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
All 3 of 3-5 are arguably the best player. All of those teams made the right choice in who fits cuz dallas needed a good 2 way dman with klingberg already there avs needed a offensive dman cuz they had good defensive d and Vancouver for the last of the three and needed a good forward to replace the sedins. All around good for each team no matter who is the “best” player cuz they all are great and good fits.
@jacktrevisan33823 жыл бұрын
The best player is clearly pettey it’s no competition
@alchemilk3 жыл бұрын
@@alchemilk lets revisit this comment
@arthursundberg90122 жыл бұрын
@@arthursundberg9012 yeah Makar is clearly better now, Pettey showed no signs of slowing down, and even In the 2020 playoffs he was elite, and he’s just been declining since, it really couldn’t have been predicted, unless he reverts back to his previous potential, Makar will stay better
@alchemilk2 жыл бұрын
Who was the good defensive dman that the Aves had I'm 2017
@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
@@alchemilk he’s good now.
@jpaulsy30472 жыл бұрын
I love the video, Rob! Keep up the fire. 🔥
@stephentyler43522 жыл бұрын
Great video. Excellent content! 👍
@garybass4029 Жыл бұрын
And Makar just scored in 2022 western conference finals, in game 4 to try and sweep the Oilers.
@donmooney21 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing him on the Team Canada blue line at the next Olympics. Also hoping not to see any more "Dude where's Makar?" signs.
@LEV1ATHYN3 жыл бұрын
Congrats to you - you said your goal for 2020 was 40k subscribers - you’re now at 59k+ at the halfway point of 2021!
@patrickthom41982 жыл бұрын
Loved this vid. Thanks !
@blueshirtshockey933 жыл бұрын
I heard them talking this exact topic on NHL radio today. The best thing that happened to Colorado was dropping in the draft due to the lottery because if they had drafted #1, taking a Tier 2 player first overall would be a very hard sell to anyone, regardless of his talent. It's possible Makar was #1 on their list anyway. I read the Canucks had Makar #1 on their list as well in 2017.
@shawnpooley Жыл бұрын
gonna have to revisit this video when Hischier pulls a Mackinnon and starts to pop off after a few average years. Guy is really starting to find his stride this year and I expect a huge breakout season in 2022/2023 for him. He is by no means better than Makar, but people are starting to realize how underrated Nico is
@Eric-ec8we2 жыл бұрын
Cale locked in all The hardware. Hischier has to find a way to change the game.
@christyouredumb956 Жыл бұрын
Haven't watched the video yet, but all I can say is how thankful I am that Cale Makar honored his UMass commitment years ago. Changed the identity of our program.
@lawrencekrieger4 Жыл бұрын
Rob your headed for the #1 nhl content creator. Keep up the sick vids man
@KevinHasSpoken3 жыл бұрын
Makar and the likes remind me of a past when defenseman (think Orr, Coffey, McInnis, Bourque) were allowed to shine, then came years of defensive shut down hockey which was kind of boring. I hope defenseman like Makar and Hughes are the new norm as they make hockey so much more exciting and dynamic. Great video.
@RHaines76Gaming3 жыл бұрын
Not even close to orr ... a modern day orr would score like McDavid but at the same time he'd be the best player in the league defensively ... and he'd also throw his body around ... he would fight to ....
@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
@@lilwoodiewood3457 different times. Orr wasn't great defensively.
@RHaines76Gaming2 жыл бұрын
@@RHaines76Gaming how old are you he was domiant in his own end
@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
@@RHaines76Gaming he was faster then everybody that's why he could play offensively and still be good in his own end also there were alot more bad skaters back then ... the difference between ability was larger from top to bottom he was physical he blocked shots he played amazingly in his own end he turned a 20 goal mid 20s Phil Esposito into a 76 goal scorer a record that was held till gretzky broke it .... orr also played in Era where u had goalies like Tony Esposito having 1.69 gaas and 15 shoutout seasons .... again how old are u were u a adult when u show orr play if not then maybe u should refresh your memory and watch some full games
@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
@@RHaines76Gaming oh nvm u know absolutely nonthing about orr your a kid who posts gaming videos...
@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
I hope Patrick can play again. He showed promise in his first seasons but it stings knowing we could’ve had Heiskanen or Makar
@37willdog3 жыл бұрын
If Nolan can come back 100% next season, he’s going to have success. Plenty of good wing options for that 3rd line. And we could really use him netfront PP1.
@michaels25023 жыл бұрын
Who is Patrick??
@timmyboy2495 Жыл бұрын
Nolan Patrick
@brandongerofsky4817 Жыл бұрын
Eichel - Patrick when healthy can be great in Vegas especially with Stone and Pacioretty as their wingers
@reyjusuf Жыл бұрын
When I went back and watched the draft from the years Makar & Bowen Byram were picked, it actually sounded like the scouts were higher on Byram than Makar. Because of injuries we still haven't seen what Byram can do.
@RRaquello Жыл бұрын
Nice video. Thank you!
@Pavel_Engines Жыл бұрын
The avs might have done it again with Alex Newhook! Overlooked because he played in the bchl, but then dominated college hockey this year😍
@ChimpTV3 жыл бұрын
Avs are set to win for the next decade, like the Oilers of the 80s
@Luke-ou6wh3 жыл бұрын
@@Luke-ou6wh Yeah they were just getting started this year lol
@ChimpTV3 жыл бұрын
@@ChimpTV Like the Oilers of 1980 the only difference is that they played during the Islanders dynasty, I think the Avs will win sooner than the Oilers did
@Luke-ou6wh3 жыл бұрын
Avalanche badly need a goalie
@Windyyyyyyyyy3 жыл бұрын
@@Windyyyyyyyyy True, maybe they can get someone in free agency
@Luke-ou6wh3 жыл бұрын
I'd still pick nico 1st. Dudes an absolute stud and has a 2way game that's hard to find in young players.
@subfail48103 жыл бұрын
Great video mang
@jordannijjar54142 жыл бұрын
Very good video Makar and Heskianan
@2kconcrete3 жыл бұрын
Best players from the 2017 draft so far.. Pettersson Makar Heiskanen Hishier as a Sens fan I can't wait to see how Josh Norris does this coming season
@andrewthompson64533 жыл бұрын
I like everything about this comment, first the list is correct and second I love the sens and I can’t wait to see norris
@alchemilk3 жыл бұрын
@iBlurrr ' Suzuki had below AHL level offence during the regular season
@alchemilk3 жыл бұрын
@iBlurrr ' yeah because his points we’re getting inflated, with his stats relative to teammates, he was negatively affecting his team, he was below replacement level in even strength offence
@alchemilk3 жыл бұрын
Hearing people talk bout "late growth spirts" makes me sad, i never hit one, been 5'5 since i was 13:( im now 23:/
@robert93123 жыл бұрын
taliking about late growth spurts, when i was 13 i was literally 5'0 a year later i was almost 6'0. now that im 31 and no longer grow im at 6'3
@Baconator3303 жыл бұрын
Dude you might still get one I grew at 27!
@Woody107193 жыл бұрын
Dude it’s okay, I’m 5’6 and 46 now. You can still be the best 5’5 or whatever on the ice and in life. Just avoid going to stand up concerts because like me, you won’t see shit lol
@Taooflu3 жыл бұрын
wild watching this vid right before colorado plays in the stanley cup final. makar has gone from people saying he’s going to be the next karlsson, which ain’t shabby at all, to wayne gretzky saying he’s the closest thing he’s seen to bobby orr. it sounds weird to compare a forward and a d-man, but makar is literally the mcdavid of defenders right now, so fun to watch cale take over a game offensively while also being one of the best the other way of the ice as well
@meatwad42069 Жыл бұрын
I live 20 minutes south of UMass Amherst campus, and I consider myself a huge hockey fan. Somehow I never heard of him until he made his nhl debut and he became a Western Mass legend because "the umass kid scored an nhl goal". I wish I could have watching him at UMass
@Steinbock232 жыл бұрын
I havent understood why being offensive in hockey is better than being a 2-way player in someones mind. Like Heiskanen and Makar doesnt have much difference who u play Heiskanen would get some less points but be better on your own side on the ice. Thats has allways been like that european players arent that much offensive as americans and canadians in hockey. Just my opinion sorry for bad english.
@Nalleteus3 жыл бұрын
Except that Makar is really good defensively and he can play physical and hit and will get better at that once he puts on weight. I honestly don't understand where this thought process started that he is all offense no defense
@RIPJimmyA7X3 жыл бұрын
There are alot of European hockey players with no defensive skills that's why u see european guys leave from the ahl and end up being top 6 forwards in the khl .... Russians are European and they are notoriously more on the offensive side then the defensive side maybe in scanadanavia its more defensive not as physical but the players are more defensive from there but that's not Europe that's what 4 or 3 countries
@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
If u wanna talk about players being more offensive maybe u should realize eastern Europeans are more likely to play that way then north Americans lol
@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
Miro Heiskanen that’s how
@tdfmtig3 жыл бұрын
Miro's numbers arent nearly as good. the only advanced stat he matches Makar is total points share. Makar leads in 80% of metrics.
@TheAlphapuck52803 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlphapuck5280 Have to remember who they are playing with. Heiskanen doesn't have the best player in the world on a line with him.
@Weshki3 жыл бұрын
@@Weshki Neither did Makar... cause he plays defense you brain dead idiot.
@TheAlphapuck52803 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlphapuck5280 So you think Makar is on the ice just with his d partner? Ok then. You should watch some more hockey, son. You'll learn a thing or two.
@Weshki3 жыл бұрын
Alpha Puck Miro is one of the best shutdown defensemen in the league right now, and he is as good a skater if not better than maka
@bradynhughes3 жыл бұрын
Sick vid bro
@julesfacchini223 жыл бұрын
Lol watching this when this came out had to come back after he won the Conn Smyth
@johnbartz1907 Жыл бұрын
The kid is amazing and Bobby Orr is more appropriate of a comparison .... The kid plays like Bobby Orr..... The kid is sick...
@Swoop187OG187 Жыл бұрын
I got to witness Cale's very first NHL goal a playoff goal. It was Beautiful 🏒 And now Stanley Cup Champion 🏆
@warsthx1138 Жыл бұрын
Watching this now after the cup win just hits different
@icyleo6616 Жыл бұрын
As a dallas fan I haven't decided if we made a mistake, Miro was a lock and not sure if he would have excelled in Dallas system as well. If we had to do it again think I'd still take Miro.
@guba33327 Жыл бұрын
Not saying Miro is better but when you watch miro play the last thing you think about is wanting someone else
@tdfmtig Жыл бұрын
Happy with Miro :)
@LalienX3 жыл бұрын
Could’ve had Petey
@Cup_in_63 жыл бұрын
Miros better anyways
@brantcaswell46373 жыл бұрын
@@brantcaswell4637 No kidding
@LalienX3 жыл бұрын
@@brantcaswell4637 Miro is trash compared to makar or petey who are both calder trophy winners. Dont get me wrong he is good but compared to the offensive talents of makar and petey then he is just trash
@JNG1073 жыл бұрын
@@JNG107 just trash? Boy, you are bad at arguments.
@npuoti6663 жыл бұрын
My two favorite players: Makar and MacKinnon. What a team the Avs have. Avs vs NYR (I hope) to play for the Holy Grail. LETS GO RANGERS
@LordStanley94 Жыл бұрын
Maybe you could do a video on players who were drafted out of the lower leagues like the AJHL, BCHL, CJHL... and yet went on to have solid NHL careers. A few examples outside of Makar would be Kyle Turris and Jamie Benn.
@chrispswann68253 жыл бұрын
That's not uncommon and would be borning only prospect noobs would enjoy it youtube is flooded with content for prospect noobs I'd rather see content that I don't already know why does everything have to cater to noobs .... u know what I'd rather see players drafted from leagues that only have had a couple players drafted who never made it I already know all the ones that made it anybody who isn't a noob knows them to I'd rather see guys like that 2nd round Hungarian draft pick that never made it then players I already know about why should everything cater to noobs who know absolutely nonthing
@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
I have a close friend who played in the AJHL. He confirmed that Makar was absolutely clowning everybody he played against. I’m pretty sure him playing in the AJHL was what scared teams away from picking him in the top three. Even though, in my opinion, he’s far better than Hischier and Patrick.
@PhoenixRiseinFlame3 жыл бұрын
I think patrick and hieschier will be the best players on this draft after 3 more years, cause hieschier can be on of the best 2 way center on the NHL and Noalen can fanally show his talent after the injuri
@dominikchristen7573 жыл бұрын
Dominik Christen To each their own, but if I had a choice I’d choose between Heiskanen, Makar, and Petersson.
@PhoenixRiseinFlame3 жыл бұрын
@@PhoenixRiseinFlame okeey in 3 years we come back to this comment and ho ever wins becomes a beer :)
@dominikchristen7573 жыл бұрын
Dominik Christen haha that sounds like a good idea! :)
@PhoenixRiseinFlame3 жыл бұрын
@@dominikchristen757 currently makar is clear best
@brettmcgraw94682 жыл бұрын
Love the format.. Makar is an unreal player. Watching him on the ice with MacKinnon is crazy. Those two have chemistry of scoring goals. Makar needs to win the Calder.
@marie22743 жыл бұрын
And he did this year he's averaging more than a point per game crazy
@rydermccracken91992 жыл бұрын
@@rydermccracken9199 He is.... Makar really earns his paycheck. Also adding Logan O'Connor he is awesome and fun to watch.
@marie22742 жыл бұрын
Makar is unbelievable but Miro Heiskanen is the best player from this draft class. He's amazing on the defensive side of the game and his offensive stats are great, too. We gotta remember that the Stars aren't a high scoring team and Miro is putting in those kind of numbers as a D. Incredible player.
@-locke-60513 жыл бұрын
Miro isn’t even the best dman from his draft
@alchemilk3 жыл бұрын
@Chris Rider I will because I know im right
@alchemilk3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I live in Brooks and am I huge Bandits fan. I get the argument that the jr a leagues are trash, but as someone who watches both jr a, and major jr I can honestly say they aren't that far apart. Lots of jr a players could easily hold down roster spots in the chl. Just like many chl players probably should be in jr a. I know back when makar played a handful of games as an 15 year old affiliate in brooks, that he was going to be a star.
@toddr037 Жыл бұрын
Miro and Elias are going to be in the HOF someday. Cale has it in him to be a legit generational talent.
@alexbyoung3 жыл бұрын
I somewhat doubt Miro will go in HOF. He is fantastic player and Will get better! But I don't think he is going to be an HOF level.
@aapoheikkila5542 Жыл бұрын
Joe Sakic has the uncanny ability to spot talented players from an early age. His first season and a rookie wins the Norris trophy and also the Hart as well. He so far advanced beyond his age. Can't wait to the start of the season.
@johnfrazser3 Жыл бұрын
Vasilevsky was drafted by TB at #19. Whats crazy is Slater Koekkoek was picked by TB at #10. I like to look at draft classes to see who got picked before the stars.
@littleguy6753 Жыл бұрын
Funny story. The 2017 RBC Cup, which was viewed by a few teams as the perfect time to go scout him, was held in my town. The second to last game of the tournament, the Arizona Coyotes sent their scouts to that game specifically to scout Cale Makar.....who had been sat for that game, because they were worried they'd have to go up against the home town Cougars in the finals who were the first team to beat them in over 30 games earlier in the tournament. Needless to say, the Coyotes scouts were visibly pissed off in the arena as soon as they realized he wasn't playing that game. So much so that people in the arena noticed and could figure out it was the Arizona scouts
@brendanjames75512 жыл бұрын
Anyone that regularly attends college hockey games can spot an AHL/NHL scout without them having to make a fuss
@katk94842 жыл бұрын
@@katk9484 They seemed to be trying to keep relatively unnoticed. Most people wouldn't have noticed them in there at all, no team jackets or anything with them. But by the end of it everyone noticed them and knew what team they were from. Not a great look for the team but was funny as hell to see
@brendanjames75512 жыл бұрын
Based on what we know at the moment I'd say Miro Heiskanen is the best player from this draft
@roffew.10653 жыл бұрын
Miro
@UltimateBreloom3 жыл бұрын
@@UltimateBreloom yes Miro ☺️
@roffew.10653 жыл бұрын
U forgot about elias I think
@azsl313 жыл бұрын
@@azsl31 heiskanen is deffo better
@reecewheeler87843 жыл бұрын
@@reecewheeler8784 agreed
@dudeisawesome72023 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Rob! Loved the format and the direction you are going. Best player from 2017 draft will be always and currently is Heiskanen. He is unreal. Also Cale Makar and Pettersen play on better offensive teams. The support and options are there in COL and VAN. Miro makes his own in DAL. (Also to note Hischer plays on one of the worst rosters and owes his work only to himself)
@shakingwaves3 жыл бұрын
Can't deny Heiskanen's talent, but the past two season have cemented Makar's reputation at the best Dman in the game.
@gregpost33202 жыл бұрын
I went to school cale makar. He was such a stand-up guy. I remember times he would share his notes and do hw together.
@rightfootupleftfootslide1511 Жыл бұрын
Great time to be a fan.
@bruceandjay-annlloyd15462 жыл бұрын
Makar and Heiskanen is a toss up...I be happy with either guy...but obviously Philly and Jersey made a mistake passing on Makar and Heiskanen and Pettersson as well.
@jasdosanjh72113 жыл бұрын
Remember Quinn Hughes went 7th over all to the nucks my team. Him and Makar are beasts already and going to make the pacific division exciting.
@michealassin34623 жыл бұрын
Colorado isn’t in the pacific but I agree lol
@imnotcharles3 жыл бұрын
Hughes is way overrated. He needs to put on some beef and then figure out how to make his shot better.
@gregpost33202 жыл бұрын
Another very good video!
@hubertrocheleau22873 жыл бұрын
"O fence, O fence... looks at the blue line O fence." 🤣
@sydisticsandman Жыл бұрын
When are people gonna actually start viewing talent in the ajhl and bchl as actual stars i mean dion Phaneuf came from the ajhl as well as parayko and thats just a couple not even close to all the players that have been selected from that league
@apollo47723 жыл бұрын
Because they’re playing against much lesser competition. It’s pretty simple
@devonkeaveny75553 жыл бұрын
@@devonkeaveny7555 thats a stupid statement because lesser competition in Europe gets more coverage...
@apollo47723 жыл бұрын
@@apollo4772 name one league in Europe that is worse competition that gets more coverage. Please
@devonkeaveny75553 жыл бұрын
@@devonkeaveny7555 j20 elit
@apollo47723 жыл бұрын
@@apollo4772 they’re pretty even in terms of skill level and both don’t get much attention lol and besides that has nothing to do with my original comment. AJHL is much lesser competition than CHL, NCAA, USHL, KHL, VHL, MHL, Liiga, and pretty much any pro league so it’s pretty obvious why they don’t get much attention.
@devonkeaveny75553 жыл бұрын
Sakic Wanted Miro Heiskanen he would have gone to the Avs if Dallas didn’t draft him Cale Maker was his second choice.
@kentoz19703 жыл бұрын
Either one is a great selection. They're both fantastic players
@kyleanstey12443 жыл бұрын
Sakic never wanted heiskanen lol. He is never even said anything like that. Cale makar is calder trophy winning defenseman meanwhile heiskanen isnt lol
@JNG1073 жыл бұрын
@@JNG107 yes because Calder determines everything
@devonkeaveny75553 жыл бұрын
@@devonkeaveny7555 It is a good measure for how good a player's potential is.
@JNG1073 жыл бұрын
No it’s not but go off
@devonkeaveny75553 жыл бұрын
I remember watching him in my home town, of brooks, he was outstanding
@xentoax3972 жыл бұрын
You should really try this with goalies, ik its prolly a stretch but i would like to see if any goalies surprised the league.
@brendanwicks68263 жыл бұрын
imagine if the Flyers had drafted Makar instead of Patrick : (
@zachary46523 жыл бұрын
You can't really predict things like migraines or other neurological conditions though.
@AEMoreira812 жыл бұрын
The Flyers fans are the only ones I kind of feel sorry for in that draft.
@wallybipster Жыл бұрын
I see Pettersson being the best overall in that draft. Only weaknes he has is a small gas tank. Makar is great but makes misstakes now and then. Hieskanen is already a flawless player. A norris candidate - this season. Imagine being the scouting org that put Makar at 20! But in general I think the draft is a bit over hyped. Just look what Kiviranta just did, a undrafted player!
@Plastpackad3 жыл бұрын
Flawless my ass lol. Did you watch his series against the avs. He played great sure but if you actually watched both Miro and Cale made turnovers that resulted in goals.
@brandongiron11483 жыл бұрын
Makar deff best out of everyone in that class to say he's not you delusional
@rydermccracken91992 жыл бұрын
As a Canucks Quinn Hughes fan im still mad that he won the Calder over Quinn, I think they’re both good. Canucks and Avs both won that draft
@dabnad2 жыл бұрын
Yo my guy yer ingles ain't flawless dough.
@yourdaddy6030 Жыл бұрын
I remember my dad watching the Usa Vs Canada game, didnt even know it was on. My dad straight up said "The Avs are so going to pick this kid up. There's no doubt in my mind." He said the same thing about Payton Manning once there was talk of trading him. I don't know how he keeps calling this stuff, but im down with it.
@PeachyPrince2 жыл бұрын
I was in my early 40’s when Bourque was looking to go to a cup contender. I told my mother (where I get my hockey genes from) that I thought Pierre Lacroix would get Ray, even when all the media predicted he would go to Detroit. The following season when there were rumblings that Rob Blake was leaving the Kings, I told her “Pierre is going to go get him”. Sure enough and the rest is history!! SCC 2001 Mission 16W completed!! Your dad is my kind of guy!!!
@marykayhayes53382 жыл бұрын
Players get overlooked all the time. Doug Gilmour (Hockey Hall of Fame 2011) wasn't selected until the 7th round, 134th overall. It wasn't because he was an unknown commodity, in his draft year, he finished with 70 goals and 107 assists for 177 points in 68 games and was voted MVP in the OHL. Always thought of as too small since his minor hockey days. Can't wait for Cale to represent Canada with the big boys.🍁
@mrkman62 Жыл бұрын
I'd rather have Heiskenen as he's more well rounded, defends better
@beatsbreaksbricks65663 жыл бұрын
Calling this dude "Erik Karlsson" is an insult to Makar. Most importantly.....he is his own person. Secondly, calling him Erik Karlsson would imply that this kid is gonna get paid and fall off a cliff and never meet expectations. Hopefully that will never happen to him. I can not begin to say how frustrating it is as a Sharks fan to remember what Erik Karlsson was and had never been since coming to San Jose.
@brandonboudreau235 Жыл бұрын
Do a tier list for starting goalies
@ellists31633 жыл бұрын
Or tandems
@kosmicwizard3 жыл бұрын
With out a doubt, picks 3 to 5 are already better players and have bigger impacts for their teams
@JamesAlexander-nb9ec3 жыл бұрын
As a Flyers fan, this draft turned out to be heartbreaking. 2nd overall pick was an absolute bust
@Stuff1112 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@canada4life5512 жыл бұрын
Heiskanen was one of them, and is of the same caliber as Makar
@lukeferetti63533 жыл бұрын
Big difference in points. Makar is light years ahead
@JNG1073 жыл бұрын
@@flounder Have you seen Heiskanen skate?
@Yoyo-xq2io3 жыл бұрын
makar is ahead of him
@howdareyouexist Жыл бұрын
Having the luxury of commenting on the video 3 years later, I of course have more information on how each of the top players developed and therefore, more information on their potential in the future. It was a much stronger draft class than originally thought of. There are 4 players who stand out above all others. Hischier, Makar, Heiskanen, Petersson - and each of them has Hall of Fame, and trophy winner potential! Makar is the prototype of the modern defender. The combination of his size, the league he played in, and the position he plays moved him behind the #1 and #2 picks. Building a strong team through the middle, a center is in the end most likely the more important position than a defender. Yet, he is a defender with almost unmatched talent, drive, grit (undersized player have to have grit to get that far), and almost perfect decision-making make him way above the defender he used to be compared to - EK. Makar has pride in defending as well as dynamics above EK65. But then again - EK65 has almost unmatched creativity and feel moving forward...
@ulrichsuter35488 ай бұрын
You can say the same thing about Cole Caufield, and the Habs drafted Lane Hutson, probably the next offensive Dman.
Who is the BEST player from the 2017 draft class?
the man who had 13 points in his rookie season cody glass, he’s obviously the best here when doing nothing so far
Toss up between Patrick, Andersson, and Mittelstadt
I really like nick Suzuki he played with one of my brothers friends in Owen Sound so I’m hoping he keeps playing well
Petey but I’m an avs fan and I love Makar he’s second best for sure.
Petterson no doubt about it
“Colorado is going to be a scary team” - yes. They just won the Stanley cup, with Makar as the MVP and also winning the Norris trophy.
THE BENCH IS DEEP
Good team but a healthy tampa this year especially point being out, that speed i think would have finished the job for 3 in a row.
@@SuperEddy72 lol, no
@@xonerex7501 cant argue, thats why i said i think lol
@@SuperEddy72 Fair enough
His first goal, on his first shift, in his first ever NHL game, with his parents in the stands...the Pepsi Center exploded with cheers. He started his career with a bang and I can't imagine that it will anything but hall of fame-worthy.
It’s wasn’t his first shift but yea lol
Send everyone that scored a goal in their first game straight to the HOF
Wasn't his first shift. Just his first shot. You think they'd bench him until the 2nd period? Lol
It was his first shot too
Jake guentzel did the same thing and he went to to win the cup
Watching this today, the day after Makar wins the Conn Smythe and Stanley Cup. It was nice to see his journey.
"Get yourself a Cale Makar" - Landeskog
Im watching this today
I went to school with this kid. I was even his defence partner one year when we were like 8. He has always been ridiculously good at hockey.
Hes right, i was the coach
Do you remember me playing goalie? Yeah, I'm carter hart
Can confirm. I was the scorekeeper.
@@itsapplesaucetoaboss8216 so that's why I got so many points back then lol
@@tomwilson3969 I have a jersey of this guy
As a devils fan, I’m here to remind you that Nico was NOT a bust and has been super helpful to us as a team, he’s just no Makar.
As a fellow devils fan, I second this statement
As a Flyers fan, I really can't say the same about Nolan Patrick. What a headache (both literally and figuratively).
Nobody is like Makar, it's an unfair comparison for Nico
As a devils fan, I can say that nico may not have the raw talent of makar, but he still is a great player with plenty of potential. I see him becoming more of a Backstrom of Zajac style of player
@@devilsfan2462 yeah Nico is playing solid just different play styles and the obvious skill gap but it’s not even fair to compare anyone else to makar except probably Bobby Orr 🤷♂️
Makar simply raised the level of this Avalanche team from the moment he stepped on the ice for his first game(in the playoffs) and just helped in a huge way getting this team back to the 3rd round in 20 years! #AllHailCale #GoAvsGo #FindAWay
"Mini" Erik Karlsson on their hands? I'd say he's there now !!
@@MrManfly Arguably surpassed him now with his Norris & Conn Smythe season
Makar going to the Stanley Cup after a 5 point closeout game to sweep the Oilers. Dude is unreal.
You predicted well and correct. And he won playoff MVP!
@@isaacklostermann3936 He delivered!!! However, the ad on this KZhead probably will not deliver $ 1000 for making a salad.
As an old-school guy from the 70's and 80's who's literally talked Hockey in person with Bobby Orr-- you'll often hear guys from my generation not give credit to any of the younger players. But this kid is for real... A generational player. His vision of the moving chess pieces, his ability to keep his head up while stick handling, and his Hockey IQ. Just a special special player.
If he could only learn to play defense.
@@rodhenson7657 Perhaps you know, but the same criticism was given to Bobby Orr... especially in regards to him always being deep in the offensive zone... His response was classic, he said "You know, when you have the puck that's a pretty good defense" LOL But Makar is more like Bobby Orr and Paul Coffey crashing the net and lots of time in the offensive zone. Whereas, Lidstrom and Bourque were more traditional stay-at-the-point or always hang back type of positional players. All were fantastic just different styles... Coffey was a great skater and he had a great passer in Gretzky so he'd crash the net a lot... But hey, I'd take any of the guys I just mentioned! Cheers mate
If it's about Cale I'm clicking
Reports have recently come out that in that draft Flyers scouts were telling Ron Hextal to pick Makar 2nd overall but Hextal chose Patrick instead against scout recommendations.
That's pretty on brand for the Flyers. Makar is better off because they would have just churned and burned him without giving him the extra time in NCAA to develop. And the org doesn't seem to value puck moving defenseman, they never gave Ghost a fair shot either.
And i will forever hate hextall for it.
I’d hate to be a scout
@@thewu6252 same, being constantly ignored by arrogant owners and gms would suck
@@yankees2864 I just recently watched hustle with Adam sander and I feel like a lot of scouts feel like Adam sandler in that movie
Avs fan here so obviously I agree. However, both Miro and Elias are right up there so really, 3,4,5 may be one of the best trio at those spots in Draft history. All 3 have a real chance at being the top player from that class.
Toews Backstrom Kessel 2006
Miro and Elias are class but Makar is another level
@@jejsemin33 Petey is starting to get a lot better. Not quite makars level but he has bridged the gap quite a bit this season. He has an all around game now. Who knows he might be putting up 100+ points yearly if he was on colorado. We saw how that benefitted kadri.
Makar is so incredibly good on defense. He shut McDavid down while still producing crazy offense. Best D man in the league right now.
Thanks for the video, Rob. Well researched and well presented. Thanks for sharing your passion with us benders.
Cale is a really talented guy. Colorado have the craziest line-up now, looking better than what they have in many years. Surely another Stanley Cup is on the way within the near future... Great hockey.
It will be an utter failure if there isn't at LEAST one Cup in the next 3 years with this Avs team.
In the real near.
@@JABoyle3875 Number 1 coming right up.
@@gbot3377 Just realised I wrote this comment a year ago lol! Yep here we are now. In the FINALS !
@@crystalskylight9327 Hahaha! Great prediction. The near future is now and it came fast, haha. Makar is like beyond human. The team's passing and skill seems another level compared to all others. Extremely fun to watch. Just have to finish now. Too bad about Kadri! Leading assist guy.
I think this was your best video yet! I love this format!
Love how much support your channel is getting bro. You deserve it! Great video
It’s kind of a cherry picked stat that he was chosen so late in the WHL draft. It was known he was going the NCAA route, so it would have been a waste of a high pick. Late picks in major juniors happen all the time for players committed to the NCAA route.
thought Owen power had told teams he wanted to go back to college just to have another shot at WJC... he was still picked at #1
Well, i know its a year late but comparing him to Karlsson is a slap in the face to Makar at this point, kids a legend in the making especially with his first cup under his belt
Lol
I enjoyed this video and really enjoyed learning about this new player I’ve been interested in lately. Thanks mate!!
Video looked great Rob. I am a pretty new subscriber to your channel. I like your enthusiasm and the way you come across. Some of the other guys have seemed to slip into a monotone limbo lately. Keep up the great work brother 👍🏻👍🏻
I saw him play in real life for UMass against AIC in Springfield. There was definitely a stark contrast in puck handling
to me, it looks like the AVs made a lot of good choices for Makar's development. Normally, teams are quick to put the player on the roster after the draft
Avs wanted him after his freshman year though. I'm sure it would've worked out fine. But it was Makar,& his parents-who decided he needed another season of college hockey. A Hoby Baker,& trip to the National title game certainly didn't hurt.
Future legend in Makar, and as a life long Flyer's fan, it is a very difficult pill to swallow (glad I watched the video, I had not realized he played in a lower junior division league and that is why it was difficult for scouts to gauge exactly how good he was! Keep this video up, you are likely going to get A LOT of views over the years!
Hey Robbie I just saw this one I don’t know how I missed it great video buddy as usual thank you for putting these. I’m all balls and I really appreciate watching your channel
Colorado also had the luxury of a much more complete roster than the Devils, Flyers and Stars which allowed them to take a risk and draft Makar. The potential was there but due the the leagues he played in as this video mentions, I think that and his size scared some teams away. Good on Colorado to take the risk, paid off big time! This video really made me think of why drafting is so hard and it makes me think of the Devils drafting Luke Hughes. It's very hard for things to align like they did in order for a team like the Avs to be able to take a risk on Makar and not be hurt too badly if he didn't pan out. Same with the Devils, very hard to end up the place to draft your beat players younger brother whom happens to be the exact position you need most and who is considered to have one of if not the highest ceiling of any 1st rounder in 2021 due to being an underage draft pick and almost an entire year younger than the 1st overall. Great video though! Scouting/drafting is extremely fascinating
Colorado had tanked the previous season to try to get the #1 overall pick though. Cale Makar was their consolation prize.
The Avs just had a 48pt season and lost the lottery, let’s not act like this was the team it is now
Sakic wanted Heiskanen though, it is documented. Makar was a pretty good consolation prize, especially considering the Avs were frustrated their pick after tanking was all the way to the 4 spot.
As an Avs fan I'll never forget watching the draft (I had to follow it on my phone) and I wanted Makar badly but didn't think he'd be there when the Avs picked. We all knew Patrick and Hischier were going 1/2, but I really thought the Stars would take Makar. I figured we were going to go with Cal Foote or even Brannstrom. When the Stars took Heiskanen I remember thinking "if we don't take Makar I'm going to be furious" and then we did. When he got his first shot to play with the Avs, in a playoff game, and looked so comfortable, I knew we had a really good player. Fast forward to now and he's absolutely one of our best guys and clearly the best defenseman on the team and among the best, if not the best in the league. Great video! Brought back some good memories.
I was hoping he'd fall down to the Sabres cause that's where he was projected. Obviously the avs were the only component team that were in the top 4 that year.
@@scarycrazymann well, I don't think you can say the stars did a bad pick with Heiskanen. Actually, Sakic was disappointed because he wanted Heiskanen, but had to "settle" for Makar.
@@wallybipster probably doesn't regret that now lol. I think heiskanen still has yet to explode, defenceman usually take time to have a breakout season. Makar is the exception, he may even be even better.
@@scarycrazymann absolutely. Both these guys started off well, but Makar was younger. I've never seen a D-man as fresh as Makar look so good from day 1. But with the way D-men tend to take time to develop, who knows what we'll be saying in a couple years. It's funny how the OC above mentioned Brannstrom, as I live closer to Ottawa these days, and he only started looking like a real solid up-and-coming player for the Sens this year, but that's more the norm. Also, the Sens...
@@wallybipster Byram has been pretty impressive considering he’s the same age Makar was. Makar did have a couple of rookie mistakes in his first playoffs that I haven’t seen from Byram. For example when Makar scored on his own goal against Dallas. While I think Makar is more talented Byram has been even more poised than makar was at age 20. They’re gonna be a solid defensive pair for a long time.
Love your videos, super informative! Thanks Rob
Commenting on this in 2022 and you got this analysis bang on. Well done.
One year on from the making of this video, MAKAR!!! He's just getting going and already making seasoned pros look average to downright silly.
Cale was a pleasure to watch here in Brooks and yes he was that good then, there were NHL potential players on many teams during his time here. Brooks has been a training ground for many talented players in part due to the coaching,training and scouting staff we have. Just watch for more players to come out of here… GO BANDITS GO and GO AVS GO.
Very good video. Keep up the in depth looks at talent.
Love these vids keep em comin!!!
I saw Makar play in Penticton at the WCC. He was unreal. After the first game I saw him play, you could see the top 10 potential in him.
The u19s are nowhere near the level of the u20 or even u 18 tourments
All 3 of 3-5 are arguably the best player. All of those teams made the right choice in who fits cuz dallas needed a good 2 way dman with klingberg already there avs needed a offensive dman cuz they had good defensive d and Vancouver for the last of the three and needed a good forward to replace the sedins. All around good for each team no matter who is the “best” player cuz they all are great and good fits.
The best player is clearly pettey it’s no competition
@@alchemilk lets revisit this comment
@@arthursundberg9012 yeah Makar is clearly better now, Pettey showed no signs of slowing down, and even In the 2020 playoffs he was elite, and he’s just been declining since, it really couldn’t have been predicted, unless he reverts back to his previous potential, Makar will stay better
Who was the good defensive dman that the Aves had I'm 2017
@@alchemilk he’s good now.
I love the video, Rob! Keep up the fire. 🔥
Great video. Excellent content! 👍
And Makar just scored in 2022 western conference finals, in game 4 to try and sweep the Oilers.
Looking forward to seeing him on the Team Canada blue line at the next Olympics. Also hoping not to see any more "Dude where's Makar?" signs.
Congrats to you - you said your goal for 2020 was 40k subscribers - you’re now at 59k+ at the halfway point of 2021!
Loved this vid. Thanks !
I heard them talking this exact topic on NHL radio today. The best thing that happened to Colorado was dropping in the draft due to the lottery because if they had drafted #1, taking a Tier 2 player first overall would be a very hard sell to anyone, regardless of his talent. It's possible Makar was #1 on their list anyway. I read the Canucks had Makar #1 on their list as well in 2017.
gonna have to revisit this video when Hischier pulls a Mackinnon and starts to pop off after a few average years. Guy is really starting to find his stride this year and I expect a huge breakout season in 2022/2023 for him. He is by no means better than Makar, but people are starting to realize how underrated Nico is
Cale locked in all The hardware. Hischier has to find a way to change the game.
Haven't watched the video yet, but all I can say is how thankful I am that Cale Makar honored his UMass commitment years ago. Changed the identity of our program.
Rob your headed for the #1 nhl content creator. Keep up the sick vids man
Makar and the likes remind me of a past when defenseman (think Orr, Coffey, McInnis, Bourque) were allowed to shine, then came years of defensive shut down hockey which was kind of boring. I hope defenseman like Makar and Hughes are the new norm as they make hockey so much more exciting and dynamic. Great video.
Not even close to orr ... a modern day orr would score like McDavid but at the same time he'd be the best player in the league defensively ... and he'd also throw his body around ... he would fight to ....
@@lilwoodiewood3457 different times. Orr wasn't great defensively.
@@RHaines76Gaming how old are you he was domiant in his own end
@@RHaines76Gaming he was faster then everybody that's why he could play offensively and still be good in his own end also there were alot more bad skaters back then ... the difference between ability was larger from top to bottom he was physical he blocked shots he played amazingly in his own end he turned a 20 goal mid 20s Phil Esposito into a 76 goal scorer a record that was held till gretzky broke it .... orr also played in Era where u had goalies like Tony Esposito having 1.69 gaas and 15 shoutout seasons .... again how old are u were u a adult when u show orr play if not then maybe u should refresh your memory and watch some full games
@@RHaines76Gaming oh nvm u know absolutely nonthing about orr your a kid who posts gaming videos...
I hope Patrick can play again. He showed promise in his first seasons but it stings knowing we could’ve had Heiskanen or Makar
If Nolan can come back 100% next season, he’s going to have success. Plenty of good wing options for that 3rd line. And we could really use him netfront PP1.
Who is Patrick??
Nolan Patrick
Eichel - Patrick when healthy can be great in Vegas especially with Stone and Pacioretty as their wingers
When I went back and watched the draft from the years Makar & Bowen Byram were picked, it actually sounded like the scouts were higher on Byram than Makar. Because of injuries we still haven't seen what Byram can do.
Nice video. Thank you!
The avs might have done it again with Alex Newhook! Overlooked because he played in the bchl, but then dominated college hockey this year😍
Avs are set to win for the next decade, like the Oilers of the 80s
@@Luke-ou6wh Yeah they were just getting started this year lol
@@ChimpTV Like the Oilers of 1980 the only difference is that they played during the Islanders dynasty, I think the Avs will win sooner than the Oilers did
Avalanche badly need a goalie
@@Windyyyyyyyyy True, maybe they can get someone in free agency
I'd still pick nico 1st. Dudes an absolute stud and has a 2way game that's hard to find in young players.
Great video mang
Very good video Makar and Heskianan
Best players from the 2017 draft so far.. Pettersson Makar Heiskanen Hishier as a Sens fan I can't wait to see how Josh Norris does this coming season
I like everything about this comment, first the list is correct and second I love the sens and I can’t wait to see norris
@iBlurrr ' Suzuki had below AHL level offence during the regular season
@iBlurrr ' yeah because his points we’re getting inflated, with his stats relative to teammates, he was negatively affecting his team, he was below replacement level in even strength offence
Hearing people talk bout "late growth spirts" makes me sad, i never hit one, been 5'5 since i was 13:( im now 23:/
taliking about late growth spurts, when i was 13 i was literally 5'0 a year later i was almost 6'0. now that im 31 and no longer grow im at 6'3
Dude you might still get one I grew at 27!
Dude it’s okay, I’m 5’6 and 46 now. You can still be the best 5’5 or whatever on the ice and in life. Just avoid going to stand up concerts because like me, you won’t see shit lol
wild watching this vid right before colorado plays in the stanley cup final. makar has gone from people saying he’s going to be the next karlsson, which ain’t shabby at all, to wayne gretzky saying he’s the closest thing he’s seen to bobby orr. it sounds weird to compare a forward and a d-man, but makar is literally the mcdavid of defenders right now, so fun to watch cale take over a game offensively while also being one of the best the other way of the ice as well
I live 20 minutes south of UMass Amherst campus, and I consider myself a huge hockey fan. Somehow I never heard of him until he made his nhl debut and he became a Western Mass legend because "the umass kid scored an nhl goal". I wish I could have watching him at UMass
I havent understood why being offensive in hockey is better than being a 2-way player in someones mind. Like Heiskanen and Makar doesnt have much difference who u play Heiskanen would get some less points but be better on your own side on the ice. Thats has allways been like that european players arent that much offensive as americans and canadians in hockey. Just my opinion sorry for bad english.
Except that Makar is really good defensively and he can play physical and hit and will get better at that once he puts on weight. I honestly don't understand where this thought process started that he is all offense no defense
There are alot of European hockey players with no defensive skills that's why u see european guys leave from the ahl and end up being top 6 forwards in the khl .... Russians are European and they are notoriously more on the offensive side then the defensive side maybe in scanadanavia its more defensive not as physical but the players are more defensive from there but that's not Europe that's what 4 or 3 countries
If u wanna talk about players being more offensive maybe u should realize eastern Europeans are more likely to play that way then north Americans lol
Miro Heiskanen that’s how
Miro's numbers arent nearly as good. the only advanced stat he matches Makar is total points share. Makar leads in 80% of metrics.
@@TheAlphapuck5280 Have to remember who they are playing with. Heiskanen doesn't have the best player in the world on a line with him.
@@Weshki Neither did Makar... cause he plays defense you brain dead idiot.
@@TheAlphapuck5280 So you think Makar is on the ice just with his d partner? Ok then. You should watch some more hockey, son. You'll learn a thing or two.
Alpha Puck Miro is one of the best shutdown defensemen in the league right now, and he is as good a skater if not better than maka
Sick vid bro
Lol watching this when this came out had to come back after he won the Conn Smyth
The kid is amazing and Bobby Orr is more appropriate of a comparison .... The kid plays like Bobby Orr..... The kid is sick...
I got to witness Cale's very first NHL goal a playoff goal. It was Beautiful 🏒 And now Stanley Cup Champion 🏆
Watching this now after the cup win just hits different
As a dallas fan I haven't decided if we made a mistake, Miro was a lock and not sure if he would have excelled in Dallas system as well. If we had to do it again think I'd still take Miro.
Not saying Miro is better but when you watch miro play the last thing you think about is wanting someone else
Happy with Miro :)
Could’ve had Petey
Miros better anyways
@@brantcaswell4637 No kidding
@@brantcaswell4637 Miro is trash compared to makar or petey who are both calder trophy winners. Dont get me wrong he is good but compared to the offensive talents of makar and petey then he is just trash
@@JNG107 just trash? Boy, you are bad at arguments.
My two favorite players: Makar and MacKinnon. What a team the Avs have. Avs vs NYR (I hope) to play for the Holy Grail. LETS GO RANGERS
Maybe you could do a video on players who were drafted out of the lower leagues like the AJHL, BCHL, CJHL... and yet went on to have solid NHL careers. A few examples outside of Makar would be Kyle Turris and Jamie Benn.
That's not uncommon and would be borning only prospect noobs would enjoy it youtube is flooded with content for prospect noobs I'd rather see content that I don't already know why does everything have to cater to noobs .... u know what I'd rather see players drafted from leagues that only have had a couple players drafted who never made it I already know all the ones that made it anybody who isn't a noob knows them to I'd rather see guys like that 2nd round Hungarian draft pick that never made it then players I already know about why should everything cater to noobs who know absolutely nonthing
I have a close friend who played in the AJHL. He confirmed that Makar was absolutely clowning everybody he played against. I’m pretty sure him playing in the AJHL was what scared teams away from picking him in the top three. Even though, in my opinion, he’s far better than Hischier and Patrick.
I think patrick and hieschier will be the best players on this draft after 3 more years, cause hieschier can be on of the best 2 way center on the NHL and Noalen can fanally show his talent after the injuri
Dominik Christen To each their own, but if I had a choice I’d choose between Heiskanen, Makar, and Petersson.
@@PhoenixRiseinFlame okeey in 3 years we come back to this comment and ho ever wins becomes a beer :)
Dominik Christen haha that sounds like a good idea! :)
@@dominikchristen757 currently makar is clear best
Love the format.. Makar is an unreal player. Watching him on the ice with MacKinnon is crazy. Those two have chemistry of scoring goals. Makar needs to win the Calder.
And he did this year he's averaging more than a point per game crazy
@@rydermccracken9199 He is.... Makar really earns his paycheck. Also adding Logan O'Connor he is awesome and fun to watch.
Makar is unbelievable but Miro Heiskanen is the best player from this draft class. He's amazing on the defensive side of the game and his offensive stats are great, too. We gotta remember that the Stars aren't a high scoring team and Miro is putting in those kind of numbers as a D. Incredible player.
Miro isn’t even the best dman from his draft
@Chris Rider I will because I know im right
Great video. I live in Brooks and am I huge Bandits fan. I get the argument that the jr a leagues are trash, but as someone who watches both jr a, and major jr I can honestly say they aren't that far apart. Lots of jr a players could easily hold down roster spots in the chl. Just like many chl players probably should be in jr a. I know back when makar played a handful of games as an 15 year old affiliate in brooks, that he was going to be a star.
Miro and Elias are going to be in the HOF someday. Cale has it in him to be a legit generational talent.
I somewhat doubt Miro will go in HOF. He is fantastic player and Will get better! But I don't think he is going to be an HOF level.
Joe Sakic has the uncanny ability to spot talented players from an early age. His first season and a rookie wins the Norris trophy and also the Hart as well. He so far advanced beyond his age. Can't wait to the start of the season.
Vasilevsky was drafted by TB at #19. Whats crazy is Slater Koekkoek was picked by TB at #10. I like to look at draft classes to see who got picked before the stars.
Funny story. The 2017 RBC Cup, which was viewed by a few teams as the perfect time to go scout him, was held in my town. The second to last game of the tournament, the Arizona Coyotes sent their scouts to that game specifically to scout Cale Makar.....who had been sat for that game, because they were worried they'd have to go up against the home town Cougars in the finals who were the first team to beat them in over 30 games earlier in the tournament. Needless to say, the Coyotes scouts were visibly pissed off in the arena as soon as they realized he wasn't playing that game. So much so that people in the arena noticed and could figure out it was the Arizona scouts
Anyone that regularly attends college hockey games can spot an AHL/NHL scout without them having to make a fuss
@@katk9484 They seemed to be trying to keep relatively unnoticed. Most people wouldn't have noticed them in there at all, no team jackets or anything with them. But by the end of it everyone noticed them and knew what team they were from. Not a great look for the team but was funny as hell to see
Based on what we know at the moment I'd say Miro Heiskanen is the best player from this draft
Miro
@@UltimateBreloom yes Miro ☺️
U forgot about elias I think
@@azsl31 heiskanen is deffo better
@@reecewheeler8784 agreed
Awesome video Rob! Loved the format and the direction you are going. Best player from 2017 draft will be always and currently is Heiskanen. He is unreal. Also Cale Makar and Pettersen play on better offensive teams. The support and options are there in COL and VAN. Miro makes his own in DAL. (Also to note Hischer plays on one of the worst rosters and owes his work only to himself)
Can't deny Heiskanen's talent, but the past two season have cemented Makar's reputation at the best Dman in the game.
I went to school cale makar. He was such a stand-up guy. I remember times he would share his notes and do hw together.
Great time to be a fan.
Makar and Heiskanen is a toss up...I be happy with either guy...but obviously Philly and Jersey made a mistake passing on Makar and Heiskanen and Pettersson as well.
Remember Quinn Hughes went 7th over all to the nucks my team. Him and Makar are beasts already and going to make the pacific division exciting.
Colorado isn’t in the pacific but I agree lol
Hughes is way overrated. He needs to put on some beef and then figure out how to make his shot better.
Another very good video!
"O fence, O fence... looks at the blue line O fence." 🤣
When are people gonna actually start viewing talent in the ajhl and bchl as actual stars i mean dion Phaneuf came from the ajhl as well as parayko and thats just a couple not even close to all the players that have been selected from that league
Because they’re playing against much lesser competition. It’s pretty simple
@@devonkeaveny7555 thats a stupid statement because lesser competition in Europe gets more coverage...
@@apollo4772 name one league in Europe that is worse competition that gets more coverage. Please
@@devonkeaveny7555 j20 elit
@@apollo4772 they’re pretty even in terms of skill level and both don’t get much attention lol and besides that has nothing to do with my original comment. AJHL is much lesser competition than CHL, NCAA, USHL, KHL, VHL, MHL, Liiga, and pretty much any pro league so it’s pretty obvious why they don’t get much attention.
Sakic Wanted Miro Heiskanen he would have gone to the Avs if Dallas didn’t draft him Cale Maker was his second choice.
Either one is a great selection. They're both fantastic players
Sakic never wanted heiskanen lol. He is never even said anything like that. Cale makar is calder trophy winning defenseman meanwhile heiskanen isnt lol
@@JNG107 yes because Calder determines everything
@@devonkeaveny7555 It is a good measure for how good a player's potential is.
No it’s not but go off
I remember watching him in my home town, of brooks, he was outstanding
You should really try this with goalies, ik its prolly a stretch but i would like to see if any goalies surprised the league.
imagine if the Flyers had drafted Makar instead of Patrick : (
You can't really predict things like migraines or other neurological conditions though.
The Flyers fans are the only ones I kind of feel sorry for in that draft.
I see Pettersson being the best overall in that draft. Only weaknes he has is a small gas tank. Makar is great but makes misstakes now and then. Hieskanen is already a flawless player. A norris candidate - this season. Imagine being the scouting org that put Makar at 20! But in general I think the draft is a bit over hyped. Just look what Kiviranta just did, a undrafted player!
Flawless my ass lol. Did you watch his series against the avs. He played great sure but if you actually watched both Miro and Cale made turnovers that resulted in goals.
Makar deff best out of everyone in that class to say he's not you delusional
As a Canucks Quinn Hughes fan im still mad that he won the Calder over Quinn, I think they’re both good. Canucks and Avs both won that draft
Yo my guy yer ingles ain't flawless dough.
I remember my dad watching the Usa Vs Canada game, didnt even know it was on. My dad straight up said "The Avs are so going to pick this kid up. There's no doubt in my mind." He said the same thing about Payton Manning once there was talk of trading him. I don't know how he keeps calling this stuff, but im down with it.
I was in my early 40’s when Bourque was looking to go to a cup contender. I told my mother (where I get my hockey genes from) that I thought Pierre Lacroix would get Ray, even when all the media predicted he would go to Detroit. The following season when there were rumblings that Rob Blake was leaving the Kings, I told her “Pierre is going to go get him”. Sure enough and the rest is history!! SCC 2001 Mission 16W completed!! Your dad is my kind of guy!!!
Players get overlooked all the time. Doug Gilmour (Hockey Hall of Fame 2011) wasn't selected until the 7th round, 134th overall. It wasn't because he was an unknown commodity, in his draft year, he finished with 70 goals and 107 assists for 177 points in 68 games and was voted MVP in the OHL. Always thought of as too small since his minor hockey days. Can't wait for Cale to represent Canada with the big boys.🍁
I'd rather have Heiskenen as he's more well rounded, defends better
Calling this dude "Erik Karlsson" is an insult to Makar. Most importantly.....he is his own person. Secondly, calling him Erik Karlsson would imply that this kid is gonna get paid and fall off a cliff and never meet expectations. Hopefully that will never happen to him. I can not begin to say how frustrating it is as a Sharks fan to remember what Erik Karlsson was and had never been since coming to San Jose.
Do a tier list for starting goalies
Or tandems
With out a doubt, picks 3 to 5 are already better players and have bigger impacts for their teams
As a Flyers fan, this draft turned out to be heartbreaking. 2nd overall pick was an absolute bust
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Heiskanen was one of them, and is of the same caliber as Makar
Big difference in points. Makar is light years ahead
@@flounder Have you seen Heiskanen skate?
makar is ahead of him
Having the luxury of commenting on the video 3 years later, I of course have more information on how each of the top players developed and therefore, more information on their potential in the future. It was a much stronger draft class than originally thought of. There are 4 players who stand out above all others. Hischier, Makar, Heiskanen, Petersson - and each of them has Hall of Fame, and trophy winner potential! Makar is the prototype of the modern defender. The combination of his size, the league he played in, and the position he plays moved him behind the #1 and #2 picks. Building a strong team through the middle, a center is in the end most likely the more important position than a defender. Yet, he is a defender with almost unmatched talent, drive, grit (undersized player have to have grit to get that far), and almost perfect decision-making make him way above the defender he used to be compared to - EK. Makar has pride in defending as well as dynamics above EK65. But then again - EK65 has almost unmatched creativity and feel moving forward...
You can say the same thing about Cole Caufield, and the Habs drafted Lane Hutson, probably the next offensive Dman.