2024 Ford Mustang GT vs 2023 Nissan Z, this was a surprise. Drag and Roll Race.
2023 ж. 25 Қаз.
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2024 Ford Mustang GT vs 2023 Nissan Z, this was a surprise. Drag and Roll Race.
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The Z gained almost half a car length every shift. Gotta work on those shifts brother.
Come do better
@@romans1461 Is that an invite? I'll come do better. Several of those Mustang shifts were bogged. Final race saw much better shifts, which made all the difference.
@@romans1461easy.. can you easily do MUCH better
@@RobertFalconer1967yeah,driver mod would gain 3 car lengths at the bare minimum if not more
Yeah, sometimes the shifting on this channel drives me crazy.
The Z did great. But my god man, I could walk to the fridge and back in between those shifts.
Facts my dude, he can't shift.
Anything that Sam drives needs a driver mod .
Yea, those shifts were the difference. I think it was his first time driving a manual shift. 🤦
@@sbreezy7196 has to be because I drove my buddy's 2024 GT which is manual and it's nowhere near as slow as what they're making it out to be in this video. I'm also wondering if he had the car in sport mode instead of normal to allow better power transfer.
I remember my first time driving a manual too!
Exactly. That's why "roll races" exist. Nobody can drive a stick anymore.
"No replacement for displacement" Ancient Japanese Secret: "Boost is displacement"
I remember my first time driving manual. Pro tip: try to shift as if you were in a race
It looks like they forgot that the Mustang needed a dashboard so they glued a tablet in place.
🫢🫢🫢🫢
Oh yes. That looks absolutely horrible.
They F up this Mustang interior for sure with this 2 huge ipad glued to the dashboard.
@@jnagimethe whole thing is fugly as fuck.
I think it looks nice bro what 😂
No replacement for displacement...wins by a fender🙄😋 ...2nd race, loses by 1/2 fender😄😄😄
Either way the Z is garbage 😂
@@HelicopterDad-xk5sx I know exactly what he means, I grew up in detroit and people still apparently think like that
@@HelicopterDad-xk5sx this time, LOL
No replacment for tuned turbo you can have how much displcemnt you want
@HelicopterDad-xk5sx rice boy, LOL, original. Lots of perf 2.0L Turbos to shame many V8's, just a fact and FWIW I'm 53 yrs old and grew up in the D. Heard the same sh!t when I had my 87' GN from 1995-2000, many Big blocks humbled ❗️
The S550 & S650's except for the Dark Horse all suffer from wheel hop but can easily be minimized with Steeda's "Stop The Hop" kit!
The Dark Horse and the gt premium both have rear stabilizers. He came nowhere near wheel hop, he would have to be using launch control and actually have his foot in the gas.
No, mustang needs awd is what it needs. It would seriously kick butt if it had awd.
The sound of that 5.0 is what makes it a gas guzzler as you showed in the intro…lol! Gotta luv that V8 muscle sound!
Those Stang rims don't look THAT bad, atleast you can see the rims on it😋
He really hates them lol. I would too if it was my car
@ItsAlive111 how about this, there's worse Stang rims recently
The rims are better than the paint.
@Cgee3 agreed, yellow just doesn't work on these newer Stangs
Man. I like those rims and the paint! They’re like classic 5 spokes w a modern twist!
The Z shifted faster. Also, the non performance pack Stang had longer gears. The PP option is quicker by default.
Thank you !!! For years I been trying to explain it to guys in here. The said no difference from standard to a PP car.
These tests are bias. Need better drivers. The driver of the mustang is horrible at shifting
Not to mention a 355 Triton rear end.
The GT Mustang and Dark horse both weigh 4000 lbs in C&D tests. Also, in the SG comparo. Not anywhere close to 3700 lbs. It is still the same weight as the Mach 1 was almost 4000 lbs as well so not much different other than being slightly bigger. Sam almost always gets the weight wrong. The size is big at 190 inches. The Z weighs around 3600 lbs and not 3300 lbs. Having said that, Sam's shifting is very slow. I went and got a snack in the middle of each shift.
Got a snack in the middle of each shift😭😂 whew I needed that laugh.
He's a horrible shifter
Terrible driver
@@nathanlopez5667 Yep.
Kind of don't blame him shifting this car like that, the transmission is shit and will break if you go to hard on it because having aluminum shift forks was a smart idea
Couple things 1. Your shifting is on the slow side costing precious tenths. Swap drivers and try again. 2. You keep bouncing off the limiter costing you precious tenths again. Shift just before that limiter.
The last two races seemed like the only one's that Sam shifted the Mustang @ a high enough RPM. These mustangs Love high RPM shift's= just before the rev. Limiter.
Yes Mustangs and Ford in general shifts high rpm just before it goes into the next gear. I've had many Fords. It kicks up just before a gear and you have to be powering through to not get a kick back
Great race...Mustang style design is timeless...well done Ford
Nissan Z is not 33 or 3400 pounds it’s more closer to 3600 pounds
manual yes
what are the rear end ratios for each car?
I drove a 2016 GT w/MT for about four years. When Ford came out with the second gen S550 in 2018, they reworked the Coyote V8, upping the compression ratios and adding direct injection on top of the port injection on the previous version. They also reworked the gear ratios on the manual transmission on the GT's. The end result was, even though the new engine produced about 20 more hp, the car's total performance did not improve much. There were many who believed it would have been much better off with the previous years gears.
I like both vehicles and I've owned 3 Mustangs in my life but I really like the Nissan Z...something special about the new Fairlady.
Mustang all day!! Love seeing it pull into gear and take a lunge forward. Everyone knows you need to find a the right shift for the Mustang
The Z looks way cooler imo. . As a bmw fan. The mustang looks like every other mustang on the road. That Z looks sick
It looks like by the last race, Sam learned the Mustangs characteristics more and was able to control launching and remaining in the power band better through the race. Showing the Mustangs capability.
Z few mods will take the mustang just like 3.0 infinity did
Depends on what mustang it is fool
@@bajonprophet3220upgrade the turbos and it’ll eat any mustang foo
Listen carefully, in the drag race the Z was short shifted in first and second.
The Z has a 300lb weight advantage but the power difference kinda evens things out for the mustang..this is a weird one. Only other thing is powerband and gear ratios
Twin Turbos and still got it’s ass handed to it by the naturally aspirated 5.0. 🇺🇸
To me it looks like the Z was pulling power out. Even a little heat soak on the Q50/60 RS using stock intercoolers would pull power like crazy. Would be curious to hear from the Z driver if the first drag race felt different than the others. To me it just looked like the first drag seemed close after the 5.0 was hooked up. But after that it wasn't even close. Could be wrong,just my observation. Thanks again for a great video Sam.
None of those races should be close. Sam isn't a terrible shifter, those MT82 transmissions shift like shit. The Z probably shifts far better. Ford should've taken a page out of Stellantis and put Tremec transmissions in all the v8 models many years back.
Very long gears ⚙️
Mt82 is better on the s650 than previous s550. He could have used drag mode, no way the z would catch up & his launch wasnt good either. Smh
Between the granny shifts and the “no replacement for displacement” comment lol 🤦🏽♂️
"Granny shifting, not double clutching like you're supposed to" -f&f
I don’t hate the Wheels on the Mustang nearly as much as you do. They could be better, sure, but they’re not that bad.
They look so bad in person
What they do not im looking at them in person right now however not my favorite but they aint that bad
Has the guy driving the Z ever driven a stick before??? Those dogs should have been WAY closer. Guys shifts were fucking painful to watch. Not even remotely fair of a comparison
Automatic gearboxes have surpassed manual transmissions. It's not even worth discussing. Nostalgia is the only reason for getting a manual. I'm old-school and my 2023 Mustang GT has a 6 speed manual and I love it.
lol both cars had bad drivers but the Z was worse he wasn’t even building boost on takeoff in the drags
And what do you suggest him doing in order to build boost?
Bro got paid by Nissan for sure😂😂
Can you do the q50 rs vs the honda accord 2.0?
how come we cant see the driver of the other car and how hes shifting?
Fly me out and I'll teach you how to shift. Also 32 mph roll in the mustang its better to start at top of first gear instead of second. That would have made a bigger difference in the race.
Yeah as soon as I saw that knew he was a bad driver
Stupid question, but was that the nismo Z?
Granny shifting 😂
even grandma can shift faster than that
Well into 4th gear in a 1/4 mi?? We not redlining the Z?
7:21 Also for best lauch get revs high close to redlind shift straight into second gear. 3rd gear is a smoother shift than you can soft lift tap clutch shift and dump into fourth at full throttle that parts important rense and repeat for fifth and thats how ya win with a high hp rwd mustang!
Turbo cars are quick to pull timing as they heat up. Unless the Z has an aftermarket intercooler I think that may have been a factor.
Man that Mustang is Fast! You really hooked up on the final race!
Could you shift that mustang any slower?
Z is fast and light. If it had better rubber and better out of the hole traction, it would be a far more interesting race from a standstill as well. Every time you race a Z everybody complains about the tires, put some comp twos on that sucker and then do it again.
Agreed, I'd like to see a stock Z race another Z with cup 2's.
Z is 3600 pounds. Not very light.
@@marcuswatson7566 a BMW M2 is 3900 lbs. Cars are really heavy these days.
@@marcuswatson75663536lbs its a manual.
What’s a Braniac? The Z is known for having garbage tires Bridgestone’s, I believe that’s why the comment was made. Maybe you’ll get it if you re-watch every one of Sam ‘s Videos with the Z. it’s a reoccurring theme.
Was the z heat soaked in the 2nd race from 0- seems to be much slower
Yup
Forced induction is the replacement for displacement.
The Z sounds underwhelming. The supposedly unintended ‘low production #s’ & the resulting dealer markups killed the Z for me. Downpipes/full exhaust is mandatory on Z. GT W/ active exhaust sounds incredible. Add perf. pack 1/2 & prem. pkg and the GT is dope af. With 10spd auto the GT is fast af too.
Wait a minute, get you an automatic trans. For the ford, you will kill the other guy
I think that this video was to build interest in the lack luster Z, to get views, or both. how can the first three races be so close but the last two, the mustang slapped some gapplebees on the Z's wind shield??🤨🤔 Not to mention that the shifts from the mustang driver was HORENDOUS.!!
Always liked canary yellow on the mustang
No replacement for displacement doesn't mean anything anymore. The nissan Z was right next to the pony. This ain't the early 2000s anymore. Nowadays Having a N/A V8 powered car doesn't mean you'll beat everybody.
It still does because 18 wheelers are still 13 plus liters of displacement...not 1.6 3 cyl turbo pulling 80,000 pounds
@@reyfuentes4572 we are talking about cars. Not 18 wheelers.
@@vintagetriplex3728 still the same principle when it's a n/a V8 making 480 hp vs a twin turbo V6 making 400hp...take the turbos off the Z it makes probably 270 maybe 290 while the mustang would make 700+ hp with a twin turbo set up...that saying goes until the end of time...no doubt...No replacement for displacement before u bring up the 911 saying it's a n/a 6 cylinder it makes 518hp while the n/a V8 of the Corvette z06 makes 670 hp unfortunately
Did you watch the video? The final dog race, the mustang pulled 3 car lengths
The roll race results are not THAT surprising. A Z is never going to beat a high-powered Mustang from a standstill. That is not what they are for. At least with the 370Z that I had all of the power was above 2500 rpm. The new Z is a TT so it is likely to also lag at lower RPM , but once the engine spins up, then they are in the fat part of the power band. Still, Z's are supposed to be for driving, not dragging.
Sam was making sandwiches in between shifts😂😂😂
I wonder how much time elapsed for this entire set of races, it would seem that the Z was getting pretty heat soaked towards the end.
How do you get heat soaked when there is no outside heat? That makes no sense.
@@SamCarLegionSam, they still can when doing many pulls back to back. Regardless of weather, it can
@@mirag810 Dave would have seen the temp he has the gauges in there. Plus we don’t just go right away.
Huh? You know you can heat soak a motor on a cold day, especially a turbo motor. How do you explain it apparently getting slower from start to finish?@@SamCarLegion
@@justinp2993 the mustang was doing burnouts the first races. You can see the smoke, the third one I hooked. Not that hard to understand if you won’t make any excuses:)
I pulled up on a Ferrari (not sure what model) and a Z cruising together, a few days ago. I was in my Dark Horse. I got a kinda hyped, but as soon as I got up behind them, the Ferrari turned off. Then the Z and I were in pretty heavy traffic, he looked over and acknowledged me, but just shrugged at all the traffic. We both kinda laughed, and gave each other a thumbs up, and then he turned off. I was really hoping I'd get to do a couple of pulls with them, but no luck. Maybe another time, though.
GREAT RACE CARS--WOW-BOTH CARS ARE AWESOEME-
So an extra two-hundred ponies in the Zed would roast, then.
I'm thinking the Mustang would have won in all the races with a larger margin if you were using the automatic version. You seemed to lose quite a bit of momentum during shifts, yes? And the Z was auto, not available with manual, yes?
The Z was also manual )))
The auto z is faster too. Would prob be similar races if they were both auto. They're both manual in this vid
@@gunnersnipergunner-ud7jr the autos remove driver error. And considering the top end that these coyote motors have, I doubt the races would've been any closer.
Seemed to blame the Mustang when he was behind and then take credit when he was ahead. Switching drivers would have been a no brainer, but maybe didn’t want to shine the light on driver skills?
I love the wheels on the Mustang.
Slow shifting deliberate? Or awful?
Both
Liked your attitude. Subscribed
Did the Z misshift during the last 2 drags? It did much better in the 1st drag.
simply Mustang shifts in begin was terrible.
There's no Z car has ever beat Mustang GT in the drag race history, stock to stock.
Very equal cars. Would love to see these two run with the auto.
Sam is very bad at manual shifting. Auto vs. Auto Mustang is much faster. Tests like Motortrend or Car and Driver show automatic Mustang run 12.0 to 12.1, and Z automatic seems to run 12.8
There’s nothing equal other than being a 2-door and having 4 wheels. I’m Not a stang fanboy but that a un tyned has no chance against a 5.0. Js
Untuned z
In manual the Z has better gearing and the lighter weight helps too.
You did that mustang a great disservice, horrible shifting 😢.
Mustang has a kit for Rear Seat Delete that takes at least 100 lbs out 😂
I hate those digital screens in the Stang. Ford - get those the hell out of there - we don’t want them in our muscle car.
One of the most inaccurate statements ever made was “No replacement for displacement” because turbo & super chargers make that statement completely false. 👍🏻✌🏻
If you smoking the tires adjust the traction control if that’s a option
I would say that the weight difference makes up for the horsepower difference making both cars similar.
The lens fit perfectly
I teach speed shifting lessons every Saturday here in Arizona. I will even comp your lesson.. no charge.
Seems to me that a twin turbo v- 6 should be making a lot more than 400 HP. I could be wrong, but seems like almost all v-6's now a days make over 300 HP naturally aspirated, being twin turboed, and only 400 HP doesn't seem right to me.
Guy in the z was shifting like he was supposed to at least
Sam I’m starting to see a trend. Every time you drive a car it severely outperforms.
Gotta speed shift Losing Ground every time you take your foot off the pedal
Great review, Sam. Thanks for the amazing content and for giving us something to look forward to on a daily basis! Wonderful cars and hard to drag race. As a former GT owner, I’d take the muscle car always. Doesn’t mean the Z is bad at all. It was actually pretty darn good. Cheers
Driver mod for mustang please
On drag race 1. You didn't have a burnout. Your second gear shift was horrible when the front end of the car dips in like that it's cuz you didn't depress the clutch fully and release smoothly as you were getting on the gas. You dumped the clutch and that's what caused the front end to dip and your tires to lose grip. And that's how you lost valuable time on that first run. You need to practice your release of the clutch or just get an automatic. At 7:21 I'm not being mean. Please don't take it as such. I'm just trying to give you some good advice and I hope you're able to accept the criticism
Ayy first like and view and comment. Mustang is winning in my opinion
Please race Mustang against Supra GM
I have seen the stock mustang GT beat the Supra. I seen the Supra walk away from the Z. And now I'm watching the Z beat or hang beside the Mustang. I'm so confused.
Don't think you're winding the mustang up right there buddy. The coyote is strongest in excess of 5k revs
You could read War and Peace in between Sam's shifts. He's probably wearing flip-flops.
Mustang’s steering wheel looks bigger than the Nissan 😂 Awesome race as always Sam! Thanks
That VR30 defintely heat soaked
I think my grandma shifts better. At least you got better there toward the end lol
This race confirms what everyone has been saying all along.
That he can't drive...you're correct.
@@tri3pleagent😂 😂 I've been looking for this comment!!! Thought it was just me!!! 😂 😂 😂 😂
Man... just wow... the Z more than held it's own
Mustang granny shifting.
The Mustang needs a driver mod.
@@tri3pleagentSam is terrible at driving, when he showcased the z it severely underperformed too. Z is not to far off the Supra stock, very close in fact.
to 60 from a dig near equal times with the manual,{around 4.5 sec} top end power is evident with the GT clearly faster in the 1/4 mile than the Z {GT around 12.4 , Z with a 12.9}
The Getrag MT-82 6 speed gearing isn't ideal actually the 2015 - 2017 version was much better geared... also the shifting was kind of bad... imo if you aren't getting the Dark Horse which has the Tremec TR-3160 6 speed you are much better off getting the 10R80 automatic in the 2024 Mustang GT.
Sam, for a pretty decent car drag racing channel, you need to work on the numbers. Sounds like you’re just guessing the weight of both cars (“3,700-3,800 lbs for the Mustang,” it’s 3,827 so your second number was pretty close, “3,300-3,400 lbs for the Z,” it’s actually 3,486 so you were off by almost a 100. Not a huge deal, but just look up the actual stats on the Manufacturers’ websites, it’s pretty easy. And I’m surprised no one said anything about the Z performing noticeably worse in the second and third drag races. Maybe the engine was getting hot and it reduced the power. I mean just look how it was right next to the Mustang in the first drag race, and how far it fell back in race 2 and 3. You should also bring back the stats on the screen, right next to each other, so we can easily compare the cars. Keep up the good work!
There is an echo noise coming from your videos sometimes.
This looked like a demonstration on how to granny shift
What I like about the z it’s already boosted with a good tune and free up that exhaust I bet 11.70s oh and better tires and faster shifting
When you said those wheels are ugly, you lost me!!
Need better shifts good run tho
Sam can't ever shift a manual transmission. He needs to review automatics only.