AMD's New 64-core Workstation Behemoth the Threadripper 5995WX
In this video, we take a look at AMD's new 64 core/ 128 thread behemoth. The AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5995WX is the company's new top-end workstation processor. We discuss what makes it different from the original TR Pro 3995WX ("WEPYC") CPU. We also look at new platforms from Gigabyte and Supermicro to handle the new processor.
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00:00 Introducing the AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5995WX
01:51 What is new with the TR Pro 5995WX
06:51 The AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5000 Family
08:45 Threadripper Pro Platforms from Lenovo and ASUS
10:42 Gigabyte MC62-G40 Threadripper Pro Motherboard
14:11 Supermicro AS-5014A-TT Threadripper Pro Workstation
18:21 AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5995WX Performance and Power Consumption
20:20 AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5995WX Cinebench R23
22:09 Key Lesson Learned: Launch window versus AMD EPYC Genoa
24:49 Lenovo exclusivity and AMD PSB
27:12 Wrap-up
AMD can afford to release this so late. They're literally competing with themselves in this niche segment.
They didnt. It launched almost half a year ago in March.
@@TheDude50447 Guess he meant OEM launch.
TR 5K around the range of 1.1 M to 1.5 M full run units on channel data on AMD 10Q reconciliation. mb
I think better, when I'm not hunkered under my desk!
Yes, they just killed HEDT.
At 14:45 Super micro workstation review.... Nope, need to put a video up here....I want a video!! Have a great day!!!!
This is a really nice review. Thank you sth and Patrick
I wish I have a lot of extra money to purchase this for my home lab.
You can get a first gen Epyc platform for the cost of one of these CPUs. Some of the lower end second gen aren't too bad anymore either and there's a significant performance benefit.
Im still on a first gen EPYC and it still absolouty murders my workloads, there well worth looking at on a budget, okay still a large ish build, but there still very very very capable
I suggest "EpycWorx Station". Cool hardware as always, thanks STH.
Says Milan (City in Italy) hears Mulan (Disney Movie). Thanks for the upload!
I was leaning towards building TR pro system with Asus wrx80 .. but now this Supermicro system has got me thinking !
Yes review the supermicro workstation, make sure you test how loud it is in decibels.
Best part of AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5000 Series CPUs are, they now come with PBO support. With a decent cooling ( like 500 WATT 360mm AIO cooler ), you can increase 280 WATT TDP to 400 WATT and get much more performance from it. Sad part is not every motherboard has this feature. Only boards have this feature right now are ASROCK's WRX 80 CREATOR and MSI's WS WRX80 motherboards. Unfortunately, this is not a feature that can be activated with a BIOS update, so ASUS will probably release a Pro WS WRX80E SAGE II motherboard ( also other brands ) which is an revised version that will support PBO.
lmao what the fuck Adding PBO is literally a toggle in AGESA, for someone like ASUS it would be piss easy to add PBO/CO to Zen 3 TRP.
PBO is not only an AGESA/Microcode update. It also has hardware side. There should be enough and proper sensors and power delivery circuits that can be monitored and used during operation. If this was true and it was only an AGESA / Microcode update PBO II would have come; AMD's all old and new CPUs ( like Ryzen Threadripper 1000 Series & Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3000WX Series ) not just the current ones. ASROCK and MSI launched their motherboards after AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5000 Series CPUs. That's why they have proper hardware support for PBO II.
Is it new to the WRX80 platform ? Because my "old" TRX40 has PBO and I quite enjoy it :)
Yes, it is new to WRX80 platform.
Much more performance?, Ian cutress do benchmarks with PBO enabled at 400 w and doesn't gain much performance...
Threadripper is last priority. 1. Server CPU/Accelerator 2. Console 3. Mobile 4. Desktop CPU/GPU 5. Workstation
True, but it is probably the highest margin/ lowest volume business of those
Mobile? Ryzen 6000 and Radeon RX 6000M are pretty much paper launches.
@@offspringfan89 Stop gaps before Zen 4. AMD hasn’t earned brand recognition with the general public. They may never. Couldn’t convince coworkers. Would rather lug around a 9th Gen Intel bonfire than an Asus 4900HS, because, “Intel”.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Good point. High margins likely how business people within AMD were convinced to keep Threadripper Pro alive. The same logic killed-off quad channel memory Threadripper. Sadly. Mere mortals could afford a $2000 32-core 3970x. Intel will have a Desktop 32-core soon, but they’re cheating... My 5950x is quicker on some codes than my 3970x at work because of lower memory latency on my overclocked B-die.
@@BurnsRubber Unfortunately that's true, AMD mobile chips still haven't reached the recognition and good reputation of desktop Ryzen CPUs and Radeon GPUs. I partially blame OEMs, specially Dell, for accepting bribe money from Intel to not build computers with AMD processors. On the other hand, AMD can ship much less chips than Intel, so I guess that's one reason OEMs usually choose Intel.
It's a shame that unlike EPYC, AMD isn't offering an 8-Core TR PRO SKU. I don't need all the cores, but all the PCI-E lanes really help.
Saw LTT's video about Lenovo locking hardware to their platform. That is such a downer. Absolutely kills the resale value on some of their stuff. If you buy the entire system, sure. It's fine. But as you said in the video, if you just wanna upgrade the CPU, now there's perfectly good used CPU that will be harder to repurpose or resell. I understand why they do it. I just don't like it.
Totally. I gave the idea of the full PSB disable in my guest spot in that LTT video and in our content before that. There needs to be thought about the after first use supply chain
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Oh, that was you! Sorry, It's been a little while since I watched it, but I did remember the content. Good stuff from you and LTT.
Lenovo simply adopted IBM modular platform build like Lego that way on the assembly line its easier just put the square block in the square hole and the round block in the round hole its a QA thing and doe service in the field like a corporate customer service is that easy. mb
Okay i said this on another video from STH, when you order from Lenovo, you can EXPLICITY request no hardware locking, and they will honor it!
I feel so proud understanding concepts such as ROP and TLB (translate look-aside buffer) when reading the ISA enhancements. My Computer Organization class is already paying dividends
Please do review of that Auus Workstation. Very interesting PC ( Gaming benchmark must be included :))
I don't think they have a gaming benchmarks suite on hand. If you want to know the performance though, it's okay. Usually works than the client processors, because it doesn't clock as fast of course, but good enough for some casual gameplay in pretty much every game.
Is the water cooling for noise? I have a feeling the blowy metrons are a little loud for office use, but I like what Linus does he just puts it in the room behind his office
Noise and consistent cooling under load.
I can see Patrick hyped up with the 5995WX, but I wonder how he'll take the future 96C Threadripper WX based on Genoa.
my biggest power fantasy is getting one of these, a terabyte of ram, and three gpus just to play like. half life 1 from 1998
it does run cysis (in software render mode, at a playable frame rate :D )
Though I can't be sure, my speculation is that the lateness of TRPro 5xxx series is because they are widening their workstation certification to much more software. And they maybe kind of underestimated how much effort that needs. The next, Zen 4 -based TRPro's will likely not be delayed as much. Again, just a speculation/guess.
It's cos they managed to keep up with epyc demand is my guess Also as a preemptive strike against sapphire rapids if those ever release And people would be upset if we get ddr5 cpus but no new threadripper, now amd can take their time if they want to release threadripper ddr5. This is also why i think they went with threadripper pro only this time, they could still make 7nm 4channel zen3 threadrippers for cheaperlater if there is a demand for it, or if you want a cheaper threadripper then they will tell you to just get z2 3970x instead, they could easily reduce the price of those lol
Tldr amd has many aces they won't reveal until intel attempts to be competitive, which they are truly struggling with XD
You said it... The extremely late launch (coupled with higher prices) makes this a bit of a ho-hum release. I expect the Threadripper 7000 series to be much earlier in the architecture timetable... Maybe Fall '23?
Compared to hedt from Intel oh who am I kidding Intel is no longer competitive in high end core counts.
@@eleventy-seven Check Xeon 3400
Man. I am just about to pay the money for 64core 5995WX and 32Core 5975WX. Lucky enough to see your video and now decided I am going to wait next ... This video is what we need. Thanks
I agree with the WEPYC term
Do it!!! Supermicro review!!!!!!
Regards to the core count, lots of workload does not even utilize much core count, so for those that just need many pcie lanes (ie deeplearning) the lower core counts are just more cheaper, tough it would be really great if the TDP would go down.
my hospital's radiology dept. could use a system like this for better diagnostic imaging
12 core option seems really good for budget minded use case.
0 cores is best of all for ultra-low budget.
I think the reason we didn’t get TRP earlier is just because Milan is so good everybody wanted it and amd didn’t want to be like sorry these chips are for normal people. Server is where the money is and amd wants that market share
I love the nickname !!! 🥳
I don't care if they all run at 1X speeds but I want all those 16X PCIE slots on my B350 board
The biggest problem with psb is it's activated by default, and not even advertised on all systems. I understand having the option for whatever reason, but it should be just that: an option. It should be made clear when it's there, and it should never be activated by default, certainly not before you even get the system. Even giving people a prompt at first start up that's default OFF with a specific input needed to turn it on would be better, but still annoying.
They need PSB on by default since it is intended to secure devices from the factory. That is why in our content and on the LTT video I advocated that there needs to be a PSB full disable where CPUs can be used in any system but never used with PSB again after that path is taken.
"A ton of memory": Yes, if you use the ferit memory. I remember how 1kbit was like 5 kg :) Try to put 2 TB of that onto this MB :)
Just wait until you see Genoa. We are spending a ton of money just to get enough DDR5.
oh, I so want.
Was threadripper ever a gaming CPU? I remember AMD said that you COULD game on it, but that it was made for workstation stuff like video editing and the like.
No, it was never a gaming CPU and the main point was the up core counts because remember when Threadripper actually launched, there were no mainstream 16 core parts. The point of Threadripper was to have higher core parts until Zen 2 where 16 cores because mainstream with the 3950x and 3900x. Most people do just fine with 16 cores. Pro workstations are the ones that need more cores.
Still disappointed there’s no 48 core part.
Would there even be a use case though? At that point you're spending so much and apparently your workloads scales so well, that you probably just go the 64c or am I missing something?
You cut the cpu into halves.
@@cromefire_ Honestly my main reason isn’t even a practical one, I’m just annoyed by the hole in the product numbering scheme.
AMD probably slooked at the sales number for Zen2 and saw that hardly anyone wanted the 48-core parts anyway so they cut it from their list.
100,000 CPUs? I'd believe it if I saw it.
AMD did not get those kinds of orders with Naples, but they started happening with Rome.
You really hit the nail on the head re: Milan. The late launch combined with the price makes this a non-starter for anyone I can think of. AMD won lots of people's hearts with the 3960X and 70X, but now that they're dominating the datacenter it seems like they've already abandoned that segment.
Not entirely true, it is no longer a desktop CPU with a lot of cores... Now it's a Qualified Desktop CPU for Workstation/Server environment... This difference is Huge for studios that don't have to guess if this will work with their software/hardware suites.
@@marlmyster The segment they're abandoning is the enthusiast HEDT market, so the basically killed an entire market segment. And this is useful. Let's say you're working on an open-source kernel like Linux, in that case you DO need 64 cores. The problem is that they're OEM-only so potentially REALLY overpriced.
@@jean-olivierjanvier6030 they're not OEM only now
Nah, if you are a professional you buy a TR. If you are an amateur you buy a Ryzen 7950x which easily covers most HEDT users.
@@sixdonuts that's what I reckon AMD is doing. The one part that's missing is setting with a few more PCIe lanes than consumer, but not the full complement like TR. If you had a 16 and 32 core TR with quad channel and 64 PCIe lanes that would probably be the perfect middle parts. Hard to justify though when they're likely selling everything they can make of the pro line. As an alternative, I reckon the top consumer part could fill the gap fine if it had the extra memory channels and a few more PCIe lanes. The workloads that benefit from 64cores without upgraded memory and PCIe bandwidth would be very niche.
MmmMm purty metal PCI slots!
Gimme one, Patrick!!!.
AMD could use Krypke from the big bang theory for the marketting.
Pity it's not the X as in 3D V-cache based one, guess the extra L3 would cut on the PBO and clock boosting behaviour or scope, so they've dropped it to allow higher chip clocks and overclocking. Plus, even in this Zen3 guise the TR is an advancement, maybe we'll see "Zen3X" once Intel returns to the niche and AMD needs more memory performance to rival it before Zen4-based chips are released, and thus a WXX or XX chips will be born. However, Epyc has several advantages - due to no chipset, the boards could be optimised spatially, which has allowed something like Asrock Rack's deep mITX Epyc board to come to fruition... Frankly, such boards could very well put a PLX or more such switches and then have possibility to oversubscribe to the up to 128 lanes available - these could allow for very interesting clusters of PCIe devices same as it is used in the nVidia DGX-like multiGPU 8-way solutions. Furthermore, as with that small Asrock's board and many others, adding eg. the PCIe-based slimSAS connector with the option to switch between smaller number NVMe drives and larger number slower SATA drives for workstation market could have been beneficial and more useful than adding a chipset and directly exposing multiple SATA ports - that deep mITX board manages to be able to connect up to 16 SATA drives with 2 slim ports with very efficient cabling, but could very well also be supporting 4 PCIe4x4 NVMe drives in case these are preferred by the end user... So even without additional storage controllers, it had potential for plenty of available storage options. Sure the M.2s would have been nice, but maybe next variant could utilise something akin to Asus vertical daughter DIMM board to put 2 or 4 of the M.2s on a single board, Epyc has enough lanes to facilitate it... Add in WiFi similar as in laptop with either on board chip or better yet - an additional M.2 2230 module slot and you'd end up closer to WS whilst basing off the server-grade-origins solution. Next missing step for the board conversion? USB and TB solution - perhaps another or a couple of controllers on the mobo with the ports put on back and exposed for front connectors... The last thing missing from a WS board compared to server one would be audio card, which could also be packed similar to consumer desktop mITX/uATX boards, almost as a daughter board in a raised/sandwiched layout near the ports, connected through PCIe lane or two, either directly or through aforementioned PLX switch(es)... Well one or two additional aspects would need a little buffing up - cooling of the exta components such as controllers/switches and the VRMs, but that's far easier than relying on huge front-to-back airflow expected of servers setups - add larger heatsinks and either provide the fans or the PWM fan connectors and locations for eg. 40mm spinners end-users could select at their discretion... It could make Noctua fans pretty happy ;) Alternatively go one step further and cover all the heat generating components and the socket with a monoblock design, and keep everything liquid cooled. Et voila, you've kind of completed conversion. Even if it were very hard for the mITX segment, which currently does not have any TR product and the closest is the aforementioned Asrock Rack Epyc product, such conversion could very well utilise uATX board size/space to implement these, let alone full ATX or eATX sizes. And as a bonus you'd get your customers the benefit of a truly huge selection of possible chips, from the lower core count regular oldies of the Naples family, through Rome genearation various sub-stacks up to Milan and Milan-X families since the socket is the same and only BIOS needs to be up-to-date to support all the Epyc families/generations, so you can start low and go to the extreme 64-core 3D V-cached monsters, go with higher core-count models or select lower cores but frequency optimised to rival non-overclocked TR depending on your requirements. One board to rule, aka slot, them all with a WS/HEDT user in mind ;) It's certainly possible and would end up offering the customers possibly better value than the TR platform as it would allow far greater selection of the CPUs for the usecases as discussed in the video - the horrible per-available-core/per-available-thread licensing models of many a server and workstation software and their repercussions, plus AMD would be able to produce same chips for servers and HEDT markets without any differences, it'd be easier to manufacture and provide to the consumers than having these differing/diverging yet closely related line-ups. Now that's the best way TR Pro should have gone, instead of the altered chips and whole platform around it, go with better board design for WS use for Epyc socket... Pity not a single company decided to take a leap into this niche, even though several corpos manufacturing consumer boards have their toes in Epyc market already - Gigabyte, Asus, Asrock all have their server and WS and HEDT and Desktop branches so could very well build such a thing. MSI missing from the picture could alternatively storm/disrupt the market by entering such a desktop-oriented Epyc solution... The worst case? R&D into it would go to waste due to pricing/consumers not willing to go this way but could very well be recuperated through "extreme" variants for the HEDT and regular desktop platforms, best case - thousands would love to buy a product like this - from HEDT WS consumers shooting straight for the high end CPUs through to conservative homelabbers who'd go for the cheaper older chips now and be happy for the option to upgrade to chip monsters down the line as pricing lowers or refurbished/dismantled server components enter the used market. In my book such a R&D and conceived product could very well be worth the time and investment, especially since majority of the building blocks is out there already so there's no reinventing the wheel to be done, it's more of a lego-ing features/solutions from differing lines/branches. One huge pitfal such manufacturers could see in it is possible canibalism of their other product stacks - the server grade boards and their HEDT TR niches by such a multi-purpose server originating WS solution...
Threadripper could also work without chipset, just that there is no such motherboard.
@@erkinalp AFAIK TR has the internal I/O limited/fused off as it was moved out into the chipset, that's also why it has 8 PCIe lanes dedicated for this link, so yeah possibly it could, but manufacturers will still require tthat I/O functionality and thus strictly theoretical/hypothetical. Guess that's why Epyc's builtin I/O fares better in such an environment/configuration... Regardless, it'd be interesting to see such a no-chipset, all switched to PCIe attached controllers/devices/adapters mITX TR solution, it'd be first on the market, pity no manufacturer is considering such a release as far as we know it or rumor mill spews ;)
Holy cow, that's one 🧱 of text.
I can fully agree. I don't know what IBM pay to have exclusive access, and why the processors has to be locked, but I am NOT fan of it. A cool processor should be available for everyone from the start, and NOT locked and generate waste!
"This is for workstations not gaming pcs" Hold ma beer. ^.^
The locking CPUs should be illegal, utterly atrocious for generating unnecessary e-waste
Can someone tell me, what is the use case for this 64 core/128 thread workstation used for?
There are a lot of professional applications that can use cores for simulations, rendering, and etc. More cores often means more math so fields where that is common. Before we did the original 2021 TR Pro review, we had a reader who worked at a big game engine company ask if we wanted to review since it is what they started using.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thank you, I also used to work for top 3 game company years ago, surprisingly the 3d rendering cluster they used is pc/workstations tens of them sitting on floors. For me this should not happen, why don't use server cluster instead. Maybe because of those pc/workstation GPU is far cheaper than server based professional GPU cluster? Or they are lack of IT guys like you to help to manage the server rack system. Anyway, that around ten+ years ago, if now still the same use case for them, all I can say people didn't change over time(in 10 years time frame)
@@user-uw7st6vn1z most likely that happens because if they just need raw compute power you can get a lot more for your money that way. Wouldn't make sense to run a business on generally but if it's for just one specific purpose I can see the case for it.
Ah, the Dell Precision T7920 WORKSTATION can have dual processors each with 56 cores or 112 cores, 224 threads, 3TB RAM, 7 PCIe slots, etc. I would be impressed and strongly consider this AMD motherboard if it supported DUAL 5995WX processors, 3 to 6TB of RAM, and say 10 to 14 PCIe slots! I'm in the market for a workstation and find 7 slots very limiting! Why? I don't know except, when I configure one the webpage keeps saying I've gone over the 7 slot limit (e.g. Dell Ultra Speed Quad card, WIFI/Bluetooth, 9460-16i, 2 graphic cards, etc). Anyway - cool - but nothing to get so excited about.
The T7920 is a great machine. Several STH team members had them. They were 1st and 2nd gen Xeon Scalable so only 28C/56T max per socket and PCIe Gen3. This has more cores and more PCIe lanes/ bandwidth than the T7920's had
5995WX works fine.
Okay A CPU that's THICK AND WIDE.
That "sworkstation"
Software licenses apart, a processor with more cores have a better potential of having more performance per core than in processors with lower number of cores. But the real performance depends on a more balanced distribution of tasks, something we often obtain with a "dynamic load balancing algorithm" in HPC. That's quite easy to understand: A dynamic load balancing algorithm often uses one processor (or at least a major slice of time in this processor) for administering the load balancing, which is often called a "master" administering the other processors, often referred as "slaves". As the number of processors (or cores) increases there will be more slaves to distribute the tasks to, thus, overshadowing the administration costs and increasing the potential for better performance per core. There are a series of factors that will influence this performance, though. A better performance potential will be clearly obtained if the tasks take more time to execute, since the longer their execution time less context changing and communication will be necessary. A master-slave configuration often has very low communication and context changing delays, but tasks with short execution times have a tendency to have these short but near fixed time delays in more number and, thus, degrading the efficiency of the load balancing.
I'm more interested in the 12 and 16 core parts. Assuming I don't need or want zillions of cores, why should I choose the TP 5945 and 5955 over their equivalent Ryzen counterparts?
PCIe lanes?
@@cromefire_ THat's a big one, of course, and RAM support is another but is there a performance difference? What is the cost difference? Does it justify the expense?
@@QuentinStephens I'm pretty certain they are slower than the client CPUs, at least without OC. For everything that works best on client CPUs you'd use Ryzen Pro.
@@cromefire_ I'm not so sure, which is why I ask. I think much will depend on the core / CCX layout. For example, does the 5955 have 8 CCXs enabled each with 2 cores enabled or does it have 2 CCXs enabled each with 8 cores (like the 5950)? In the former case each core will benefit from having lower contention to the CCX-level cache and in the latter case each core will benefit from not having to cross a CCX boundary so often. Perhaps it's worth testing?
@@QuentinStephens As fast as I'm aware the TRs also only come with 2CCDs (2x8), while the EPYC come with 8x2
I just hope xeon w finally drops in price on second-hand market now that this is out. I've got a motherboard at my office that's been waiting for a cpu for almost a year.
Move to Threadripper. Period.
@@samlebon9884 I wish lol. Wayyy out of my price range. I got the xeon board for 25$ with a shorted 12v, fixed it, set an eBay alert.... And that's where that's at lol
@@christopherjackson2157 if it's lga3647 you can get a 8124m that is 18c 3ghz for about $250
@@deepspacecow2644 that's good news I think I'll dig more into the pricing in the fall. If i can get 18-24 cores I should be able to consolidate three old servers servers into the one. Hoping the upgrade will pay for itself.
I think the WRX80 chipset is over-hyped. You have 8x PCIe g4 comming in, 8x PCIe g4 comming out and basically a couple of USB3 g1/g2 ports. So for many uses it would be much more economical to use EPYC and be able to convert a x4 PCIe g4 to the USB ports and audio interfaces you need...
It is mostly there to oversubscribe I/O on those x8 lanes.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo " It is mostly there to oversubscribe I/O on those x8 lanes. " Well, not really. How do you "oversubscribe" PCIe g4 x8 by using PCIe g4 x8 downlink (maybe degraded to PCIe g3 x8) and a little bit of USB3? With x570, for example, you can "oversubscribe" the g4 x4 link by factor >4 (16x PCIe g4 lines with 4x SATA and a couple of USB 3 g2). THAT I call "oversubscribe", not what WRX80 does.... WRX80 is a waste of what could have been achieved with x8 g4 uplink...
@@btudrus PCIe is packet-switched, hence it is possible to split a lane like that.
@@erkinalp "PCIe is packet-switched, hence it is possible to split a lane like that." So what?
*_THIS_* Is the AMD Threadripper Pro WX5995 and I'm about to review it. - Doug DeMuro.
Ha! DDM is awesome
Just took a Nuke to my account ordered the 5975x and asrock Creator 256gb 8x32GB DDR 3200mhz. I am finally not PCIe lane starved. Going from a Asus Dark Hero x570 and a 5950x will be so much better for work I wanna do.
wepyx cause adding an x makes it better branding 101
Good idea!
Hopefully the Zen4 Threadrippers will hit retail before the eve of the Zen5 launch.
Zen 4 is so good this makes me sad to know how new this is how long a zen 4 version will be. I hate how the new shiz has only two channels and you cant even double them up without a massive hit to ram speed.
Ahhhhh this many fast cores is like P0rn 😂. Im happy with my 8th gen i7 tiny mini micro for my home needs (besides my gaming pc) All my work pcs have been upgraded to 12th gen i7 non K and they perform! (Cad stuff)
how many instances of Crysis can this run?
Looks to me like a last chance to sell these am4 mother boards before everyone shifts their focus to the am5.
These are the big SP3 derived sockets not the small AM4 ones
Hmm. I suppose a we delay would be normal as it needs a chipset. But yea, vender lock -wtf and exclusives not good for the industries.
Well, since Intel's "answer" for TR is Xeon W9, and W9 will not be launched at least until 1Q-2Q 2023, AMD has quite a lot of time for selling the Threadripper 5000 CPU's. They might take this time to actually remove the exclusivity from Lenovo and release it both to OEM's and DIY market at the same time..
this is/was. could have been? the century?? where thunderbolt 3 plug's, & USB 3.3! with USB-C!! see??? so I could have the nickname, "point,click. & shoot''! unfortunately it's all capoot!! & no one cough the data!! but great video! love those explanation's! it's so cool 2 see AMD's goods! good luck! how the hell do they manage 2 dissipate all this ''heat''?? 20-30% more performance!!! some heat some where? good luck!
how'd he know about my 50 ton HDD!! a real rock crusher! VW powered!!
I think we have reached a point that CPU is becoming GPU 😂
AMD should not be allowing the CPU's to be vendor locked.
How many cores does Windows 11 support? I could see Microsoft pulling some crazy move and changing their license fees for home/office users. #LinuxIsLife!
Most of those ISA Enhancements are SECURITY capabilities.
Patrick selling Zen 2 to Zen 3 upgrade has nothing to do about Threadripper on 170 M AM4 boards that traditionally show a 30% of full run user socket compatible upgrade trend back decades on similar examples. This report is all about subliminally planting the consumer platform seed of upgrade thought. Why? The same is not true between TR_4 and WX 80 boards that r different. TR 39x9_ installed base that is 3,646,481 seats (more or less with work group server) can't upgrade to a TR 5K on their existing board? I think not. mb
innovation in servers has hit high gear and should stay there for next few years - the expensivist tech will filter down and we are seeing that with zen4 and wrx80 platforms - with db like alphafold getting released for free professionals need this new hw to execute queries on these massive db - hw is really lifting capabilities @#brick on the gas pedal
arm is coming on strong - they crush amd for both performance and power (with 80 and 120 core chips) used but amd has a better platform - arm could be new de facto goto for pro ws in a year or two #power10
smb does want 100gbe with advent of cheap 100g switches - it is the weakest link in most small and med biz networks #light up or leave me alone
Vendor lock is the biggest BS and is the main reason I refuse to buy dell and lenovo products. I agree these are WAY too late they should have been out for the whole market in January. Who wants a workstation CPU when the top of the line consumer chips will almost compete with them a month or 2 later.
Exactly. The margins for AMD on the workstation market must be really nice. And with Intel basically dead in the workstation space, it's a niche market AMD and partners can milk for now.
People who want lanes and memory. Thing is, those people already have previous-gen Threadripper, so only those who also need more processing power would bother upgrading.
@@shadow7037932 Whatever their margins are on WS, they're even higher on EPYC. That's why they released late -- up to now, they'd rather put those chiplets into the EPYC stream. Maybe server demand is finally being met.
This "new" cpu launched in March.
What about a dual socket threadripper with 128 cores muahaha
I actually would prefer 2x Milan-X 7773X's at this point. That is one HOT system.
It's funny to me that all those TR pro 5000 series have "2021 AMD"... So what were they waiting for? Probably Lenovo didn't sell nearly as many P620s than promised
That is pretty common to see in the industry from AMD and Intel.
The single generation sTRX4 socket, despite AMD promising "long term support" for it, left a sour taste in my mouth. The fact that it's OEM only and the Lenovo lockout BS makes me lose all interest in it.
It's no longer oem only and uses the same socket as the previous threadripper pro
@@deepspacecow2644 Didn't know, was wondering how Patrick got this chip to review. Well, better late than never.
Review embargo was 8/8/2022. We had a main site piece then. We had seven folks out, including myself in early August, so this video was delayed a week.
3 times the price of the old Threadripper...That's gonna be a very hard sell.
They just moved it up-market to the higher value workstation market instead of a consumer play.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo There is such a thing as becoming too greedy and pricing your product out of your paying customers price range. Thing is people like to tinker with things that are affordable before they make a larger investment. If you completely cut out or make the mid tier too expensive there are going to be far fewer people requesting or developing for the top tier. AMD first made these desired parts not obtainable by their paying customer base and now that it's going badly they have priced it out of range of their paying customer base to keep peace with OEMs but made it available for purchase. This is has been a great example of how to fulfill a market segment, take it from a competitor and lose it due to bad backdoor deals. AMD's mistakes are going to cost them and Intel will catch up to them. I'm personally seeing people looking into mini-pcs and cases with front drive bays for the use as servers or NAS boxes with ZFS. I think people have hit a price limit and are looking for good affordable alternatives because the current offerings have become too expensive.
Patrick, slow down, please. You act like a crazy person who drinks way too much coffee.
I actually recorded this at 23:30 without having coffee that day.
Does this Lenovo lock AMD processes, making them unusable in other systems? If so, I'll take a hard pass.
Only for EPYC & Threadripper CPUs
@@popcorny007 And Ryzen Pro, so basically everything in the enterprise lineup
Yes, but you can now get them from AMD directly, so you can put them it a board that won't lock them.
Yes for EPYC, Threadripper Pro, and Ryzen Pro at least. We have the PSB locking content in the video description, such as kzhead.info/sun/fqWPnKyxZ2eOrYU/bejne.html
There are licenses PER CORE? what the fuck? They should be taking to trial for penalizing technological innovation and modernizing of PCs. Effectively slowing down innovation.
100% and big ones too. Databases, Windows Server, VMware, and so forth. Even if they are 16 or 32 core license "packs" then that is still a license per core.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Incredible. No wonder there is so much piracy.
I guess this is kinda cool, but as as software developer I can't say I care too much. If they can increase single core performance by 200% year on year, that would be impressive :).
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Waaay too expensive for 20% performance increase over Threadripper 3000. If they were around the same price, I would have bough a couple. I understand that inflation is up and I would have understood a 20-ish % price increase, but this is just ridiculous. Looks like I won't be upgrading my Threadrippers for another 2-3 of years.
vendor locking should be illegal or at least be regulated by Federal Trade Commission
Too expensive and too late, AMD dropped the ball on this one IMO.
Agree completely--not having a non-PRO version of this, and not having it 18 MONTHS EARLIER, was a huge whiff on AMD's part.
@@MatthewHill They didn't need one. They have no competition in HEDT.
@@Nightfighter82 You always need flagship models, because flagships bring mindshare and mindshare brings money.
You sound like a poor man’s VSauce
Too late, no 3D cache, and the power management seems broken (I bet that will do 4ghz+ all core if you drop the voltage, big difference!) At least it isn't gimped to 256GB if RAM (locking CPUs to a motherboard isn't cool!)
This CPU is the reason why Ryzen5950X is crippled to 128GB RAM. AMD doesn't want to compete with itself so they don't.
Also, the lack of memory channels on AM4 does not help. They could take RDIMMs in it if they wanted though.
@@ServeTheHomeVideoYes It has 2, but on 4 slot boards with big dimms x64G it could reach 256G. And they not going to fix it with Ryzen 7000 /DDR 5 series. I remember DDR-5 promised 256GB on a single dimm. It seems it won't come to the desktop.
Be a good chap and pass on a message to Lisa from every TRX40 owner --> FCUK OFF AMD !!!!! To permanently destroy your ENTIRE non-pro/enthusiast HEDT userbase in one step is beyond insanity!
I had TRX40, but I would also not want TRX40 running one of these. The bigger issue is that TRX40 was the wrong platform and AMD did not understand the market. On the server side, Milan required a board update so it was common to see Naples + Rome systems then Rome + Milan platforms.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo "The bigger issue is that TRX40 was the wrong platform" --> Since my comment is from the non-pro HEDT perspective, I'd like to know what you mean by that statement? There has always been a HEDT community - enthusiasts who require additional cores, and, of greater importance, more PCIe lanes. These are folk who don't simply use their PC's only for gaming and browsing. It's also crucial to understand that for most of these HEDT users (non pro remember), that PC was their only PC - thus it was also required to function as an 'all rounder'. The TRX40 gave us that and much more (it was a 'good platform'), and remember - AMD promised "long term support", and they did that to secure sales. As we now know this was a very, very deliberate lie. Yes, AM5 offers PCIe5 and DDR5 but, from a HEDT perspective(!!), it is CRIPPLED by that same lack of (electrical) PCIe lanes. AM5 is NOT a HEDT replacement for this community. AMD have now removed enthusiast HEDT entirely, replacing it with a single 'Pro' line - a Pro line significantly more expensive than TRX40, and to repeat my original message to AMD.... FCUK OFF AMD !!!!! To permanently destroy your ENTIRE non-pro/enthusiast HEDT userbase in one step is, the very definition of insanity!
to expensive thus useless , AMD are milking customers