Expert on college admissions on how the system enabled scandal
Fifty people, including celebrities and business leaders, have been charged in a massive college admissions scandal. Daniel Golden, senior editor at Pro Publica, has extensively covered college admissions. He tells CBSN how a system that accepts students based on factors other than merit left schools vulnerable to the scheme.
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Let's not forget about adults trying to go into college that have never had family help.
Brad oley this is America. It's not like money has not bought the rich things. They always bought things.
@@Malouco this is United States of America. Not just America. America is a continent. Get a map or geography
Crazzy Stuff North and South America - 🌎
@@jmason3904 yes is divided by north and south but the continent is America. Not just the United States
When that 19 year old girl laughs and says 'I dont really care about school's all that came to my mind is that there is someone out there who's place she wrongfully took who would have cared and would have done justice to getting that admission into school.
"I do not care about school!" Yeah! When you have to drop school to work and put food on the table I assure you, school has value.
School used to be of value... before history was changed to make people feel included or the victims of everyone else to fit their narrative. Before when teachers thought facts not feelings.
Teneysia Leno whatever happened to merit based entry? unfortunately I know that didn’t really apply for blacks. Jim Crow laws prevented blacks from attending the same public facilities as recent as the 50s and 60s. Blacks weren’t victimizing themselves. This was their reality after slavery. They are catching up. Years of oppression doesn’t go away in one generation. Just like whites built their wealth to pass down to the next generation. Whites had generations of a heads up. Blacks are doing that. Now things are moving more towards equality.
@@esterf7064 Affirmative Action happened. Which is NOT fair to all. Hussein Obama got in and who PAID for his degree's? His records are ALL sealed! ALL OF HUSSEIN'S RECORDS AR SEALED! WHY? What is there to hide? Like his Birth Certificate, where is the real one? Who paid for his college? NO professors saw Hussein, heard of him, nor any students at Occidental?
Trud McD guess with that location we should ask Trump to release his grades and taxes.
She will never have to work. She’s the definition of entitlement.
They should be ordered to pay the exact amount of their bribes into a scholarship fund for students of merit!
They should be ordered to jail.
Absolutely!
Think about the thousands who got away with it
this is a crime with many elements and many guilty people, I'm sure they will punish manny but the idea that the scholarship program will get any money is a pipe dream and the idea that people should suffer for the crimes of others is vindictive and unjust. The best thing they can do is use these people and the info to stop this from happening anymore and track and find and shut down when this happens next time and the time after that and create precedence for, a prosecution of them. I would say these women will likely never serve time in jail but I will say they will likely pay for the entire value of the scholarship and a good portion more as punishment. The 500k bribe with tax fraud will likely net over a million dollar fine.
@@Raider2Pac Id be surprised if anyone got any jail time at all. Jails are built only for the less privileged.
I don't believe that the kids knew nothing about it though. Not for one second.
Dayton Coke, considering that they had the daughters posing with rowing machines.
@@fiddlefaddle1 LOL. Yeah exactly.
In order to pull something like that off, everyone has to be on the same page.
@@Tiberius291 I agree. I just thought it wasn't very useful that the expert added that the kids were probably not aware. Smh
*young adults
I'm not sure why people are so surprise. Think about all the students that actually was dedicated through out high school, had excellent grades and great SAT scores. But for some reason they was not able to attend those universities. Those are the real victims..
your comprehension skills need some work, honey: because the *SURPRISE* is that there was such a huge investigation that led to arrests in some cases..and/or charges..and that the story was made so highly public...not that it was happening, that's not a surprise at all...study up, grasshopper..please, ASAP!!..before you next decide it's a good idea to post about such an un-studied, on your part, issue..just smdh. 🤦🏾🤦🏾
@@roxanneworld11 🤔 1st I'm not your honey...2nd I'm stating my opinion on how I feel about the segment..3rd well I'll just keep that comment to myself. Have a great weekend 😎
@kinardji Before you spout off, perhaps you might want to read and study your own post. You might notice your mistakes if you did that. Grammar is not your strong point, and perhaps your spelling could be sorted out. The other person was just trying to say that, but it came out wrong. Good luck.
@@corryjookit7818 thanks Professor @corryjookit I hope you are paid very well for catching grammatical errors. However, that's my opinion on how I was feeling on that segment. The other person made a decision to reply to my post. So whatever issues we are having is between me and the other person. OK😉
Jail for all this fuckers
I guess Loughlin is a better actress than I thought. Here, I thought that she was a good person with integrity and good morals.😡😢
Absolutely absurd to think these kids was unaware what was going on. Charge them too
A Thomas not little children ...
Something is missing in the story that the news isnt able to tell us, probably because of some classified information, and ignorance.
@@sifugurusensei agree
800 families but only 50 arrests? Hum.
Lauren-Kate Kush the university systems reports they will not receive degrees
Lauren-Kate Kush - the FEDS will only file cases when they have an iron clad case which is why they have a 90% plus conviction rate. The others probably were only peripherally involved or there wasn't sufficient evidence to convict.
There's more to come. The ringleader has been doing it 24 years.
@@jaredmehrlich6683 every since the 1800s
@@orphfinthewizard1774 we need to do something drastic to the rich people. Hope you get my drift. They are litteraly below Bin Laden and Hitler to me.
Please revoke admission for these students. This is ridiculous that they are still students at these schools...your name has been tarnished.
John Kevin that’s like saying what if a bank robber is enjoying the money they stole and living a well and quiet life.. ok that’s great they aren’t commiting any more crimes but still have to be held accountable for the initial crime committed. Plus all currents students at these universities should be outraged because this scandal makes their schools a degree mill.... Stanford, Yale, USC ,etc...
@John Kevin That is just too bad. Fraud is fraud. They shouldn't be there in the first place.
Yes. If they keep these students they will all lose all credibility. They shouldn't tarnish their reputations on behalf of these fraudsters.
well they need to make sure it's legal to do otherwise they open themselves up to get sued by the kids or their parents.
@John Kevin that will for one be unlikely, cause if you do well in college you likely didnt do so bad in highschool mom has to pay half a mill to get you in college. However, granted you would be doing well in college now, let's look at the papers you or your legal guardian signed: It will likely say that you guarantee all statements made are true and if not you are eligble to be kicked out immediately. And even if the papers didnt say anything like that, in a trial the point would be made that it's understood that all statements, all grades, all credentials must be true.
if you are an average student with money, you can easily score well in SAT with some practice. These are the worst kind of rich people. Don't want to put any efforts even when they have means to get good grades. means = money.
Average students with money struggle to do 1300 on the SAT. The Huffman girl was looking forward to her 1050 and opted to have the exam taken for her. (1420) She should be charged with fraud.
It's called studying, reading, applying, effort..plain simple
It's called the American way. People been cutting corners and since this place was created.
and having dark skin
@Yuki Yamamoto but you dont mind that black people have easier admission standards
@Yuki Yamamoto yeah you keep telling yourself that, soyboy
Even then it's kind of a crap shoot. There are millions of students like that
There HAVE to be more. I can't believe that there are only 50 people guilty of this. This rabbit hole goes much, much deeper than this.
Exactly , it is so many more that is guilty of this.
I know that scholarship recipients need to keep up the grades to keep the scholarships. Wonder how much more it cost them to keep fixing their grades? Did they pay someone to take their tests or actually show up for classes?
Right now, the Harvard endowment fund alone can pay for college for about 10,000 qualified students. What a racket.
Harvard might as well be its own country, lol
Dont care. Take them,students away now. They didn't deserve it period. Where other faces at?
How did this come to light.... someone didn't get there cut...
their
Or maybe investigators did their job. People who would do this are likely to be narcs and run their mouth about it. People in the dorm lounges admit all sorts of crap just for attention, like their family being in the human trafficking business.
ok stu...
ok...@@cryora
@@moniquebeers6029 Ok beers
What goes around comes around....Karma!!!!!!!! Serves them right, we need to pile on these low life wealthy snobs. They committed fraud but they also stole the dream of a very qualified applicant who was rejected
The real victims are the students who actually need special accommodations. How much harder will it be for them to get those accommodations now?
These people should be dealt with a very strict action. An example should be made that US education system can not be manipulated. Our education system is one of the most sacred and important institutions. Our future depends on it..
When I was in HS a classmate offered me $500 to take the SAT for him. I refused, but my friend agreed to do it. The dumb thing was he had already taken it and scored like 400 out of 1600. My friend scored a 1200 for him, so the 800 point differential triggered an investigation, and they invalidated the score. So he was out $500 and my friend never got caught.
If over 800 families were involved, I'm sure there were students that weren't fully aware of what the parents were doing. But at the same time, there were students who definitely knew! Explain how you got a "rowing" scholarship but never rowed. l imagine those students grades and other achievements have also been doctored. They should be expelled and discredited. Furthermore, they should face legal and financial repercussions. Hard working, underprivileged and deserving students had their opportunities stolen from them.
This happens ALL the time, the schools KNOW, SUPPORT, and condone it. It isn't just college that does it, it happens with private schools across the board from preschool's on up.
800 families and only 50 got caught......hmmmmmm
Ok CBS I want to know if the illegal admissions given to the kids will be revoked or not.. 😠
Why would they even want to do this...??? 🧐
Disgusting! The children KNEW they weren’t athletes. Both parents & children should be charged! If the unfair advantage of wealth and access to better education to prepare for college isn’t enough to GET IN, they absolutely aren’t deserving nor equip to qualify
On top of all this pay off admission corruption is the corruption of affirmative action admissions!
It angers me even more so that this idiotic mastermind behind this huge college admissions scandal told parents to have their kids fake a learning disability just so they could receive accommodations for the SAT when those accommodations should only go to students who actually HAVE disabilities. This makes me very angry because it could make it even more difficult for students who need the accommodations for testing or other matters to have access to them all because of students who were told to pretend to be disabled. I have cerebral palsy and ADHD, and I'm a student attending a community college because I hadn't taken the SAT or ACT tests. Parents need to be smart enough to know that having their kids pretend to be disabled abuses the system that has been put into place to help students who have actual disabilities.
The sad thing about all this is....the USC crew team is going to suck now.🤣😂🤣
I remember the young lady who had to hire a lawyer to prove she didn't cheat on her SATS. And these people bribed who ever to get their bratty kids in!!
I had to leave my dream school because I was too poor to attend. I am livid. When I applied to take the ACT, I had to send in paperwork proving I’m disabled and need accommodations.
This country needs tuition free college and University.
@Dra O You can't even make a decent argument for your position, just name calling. Go back to Jr High, learn to debate and research your family history for a conscience and empathy. In the mean time Progressive will be busy winning.
It’s not just about this incident: the whole process of college admission in the US is unfair.
They need to drop those hundreds kids of school nd replace them with the students from a poorest neighborhood. Free of course. Poor people need more help now than ever.
Yea!
Work for it. Nothing in life is free
Unless ur rich than people don't ever need to work a day in life. We all are nobody to these rich people. Cuz what can u do to them really 🤣🤔
@george I agree they only care about themselves and how to brainwash the poor while they have a great life we all have to work 3 jobs to survive!!!!!!
NOT EVERYONE NEEDS TO GO TO HARVARD ... how about caring about all the other schools that can be attended people act as if these are the only choices on the planet
Come on singer. Sing like a little bird. I want to know which of our politicians bought their kiddies a place.
The education system as well as these people should be held accountable. These universities should not plead innocent.....
We can tell Olivia has done a lot of rowing just by looking at her muscular arms.
rtta51 😄😄😄😏😅
Daniel Golden's comments are golden! Right on!
The kids had to know and probably said “ way to go, mom/ dad!” Thanks for getting me in! Parents are the models for their children. How could anyone think the kids would say “ OH, NO...that is immoral/unethical/ CRIMINAL!! They are so used to getting what they want, they probably think that they are “ above the law”, and if the parents think it’s “ok”, how would the children they raised be expected to think differently.”?
the problem is it is perfectly legal to donate to a college in order to secure a place at their school for your child. they leave the door wide open for a very uneven playing field. THIS in itself should not be legal.
OMG are you kidding this commentator feels sorry for these parents!!! These people need to join the real world. Bla, bla, bla...
What about making donations to schools to get your kid in? That s a bribe, period!
As someone who has dyslexia, I don't find it fair that they directly correlate special requirements with loop holes. You really need to start with accepting "random" donation and then work you way down. There's some of us who take advantage of that particular programs not to let those who just don't put in an effort or just don't grasp the concept of college to let someone like Olivia Jade ruin it for us.
How many more parents? How many more colleges? How many more students? They're just as guilty
There should be a huge fund, millions and millions of dollars, all from these cheaters, to give those of us who were denied college education admission to universities.
They all need to go to jail. What is going on your kids to dumb to get in on there own?
@Warped lol hahahah ....rich lol
Lady D so you think there aren’t people stealing seats when they are to up to par? They are called poc and they get seats when they didn’t meet standards just because of their minority privilege.
@@donrainesoh oh you are a special type of stupid huh?
Lady D "too" but yesss
Damn!
Now taking the SAT at any high school is going to be like lockdown. Everyone will forever be paranoid.
This is disgusting!! Just goes to show that in this country it's not what you know but who and of course, how much money your mommy and daddy can throw at the situation! It's truly sad that there are kids out there who actually work hard only to have their spot taken by an "Olivia Jade" who said flat out that she didn't care about school. What is wrong with our country? Parents like this, who believe that their child deserves something that they didn't work for!!
to be fair, if you’re donating a building to get your kid in, you’re probably creating more spots for other kids than taking them away
I wanna see the student's admission applications. I want to see those doctored photos.
re getting a medical exemption for a learning disability so students get more time on the SAT and ACT, i think the parents/students should be required to submit medical records re the disability that go back in time to when they were first diagnosed rather than just one doctor's letter saying the student has the disability. Any student who was suddenly diagnosed when they were a high school senior should be viewed with suspicion. And, if they spent all of high school without getting exemptions allowing them additional time to take high school tests, why do they need additional time for the SAT and the ACT? Just think about how easy it must be for these wealthy parents to get their family doctor or a friend who's a physician to simply write a letter claiming the kid has a learning disability? and, finally, I know it sounds like a lot of work, but why couldn't those who operate the SAT and ACT programs, make a database of all students getting extra time to take the tests based on a claimed disability, to include the name of the PHYSICIAN who provided the letter? (Just thinking there could be a "mill" of doctors who will do it for a "price", and perhaps Singer gave the parents a few of the doctor names for them to contact. If a number of students in various zip code areas are ALL getting a letter from the same doctor, that should be a sign something is going on...).
The "REAL" problem with this story is that there is apparently an enormous disparity now between the qualifications for college entrance if you are not an athlete versus whether you are an athlete. Any time you have a disparity like this, there will be opportunists who look for ways to exploit that disparity. The most outrageous part of this story is why we apparently have lowered the requirements for athletes to enter college to such a great extent. It's not just in the revenue sports like football and basketball but now it turns out every sport at every school is allowing prospective student athletes to be accepted into college who aren't nearly qualified. Even the most prestigious schools in the country are doing this !! That seems like a MUCH bigger problem to me, than the Loughlin family And when schools assign full time tutors to special students in order to do EVERYTHING for them except actually take their tests, are they really "earning" a degree ? It seems like these assisted degrees should have an asterisk next to them, so that prospective employers know what they are getting when they are hired. WRZ 2020-08-12
Some of these parents paid more for the "side door" services than they did for full tuition! Soooo dumb. Didn't any of them take Economics??
Over 10 yrs who was involved?
Everyone involved needs to serve serious time or Justice in the USA is broken and for sale!
well... prepare to be disappointed...
You want a REAL SCANDAL? Someone should make sure that no one on the prosecution's team did the same thing! I'd do a background check on the presiding judge as well!
Here's a question! Why don't we just base any college admission on the requirements they(individual states) set?
It’s hard to believe that the kids didn’t know what was happening.
As a parent you are NOT teaching your child to become self sufficient or to have have any true purpose in life. They are raising entitled adults that will contribute nothing to society.
Okay but why are you only showing the faces of these two. Show everyone involved, right ?
Why is she whispering...
Someone didn’t get paid therefore they snitched on everyone.
Elijah Selbicky glad someone saw the picture ( domino effect)
Yeah, the IRS.
Not many people realize that after the difficult processes involved in college admissions (aside from alumni), following the 4 years of undergrad, as time goes on your attendance at an elite blah, blah blah means next to nothing depending on the eventual career track. This stuff just mirrors “stage moms.” Type AAA+! Imagine the tremendous, anxiety & pressure & breakdown of family trust, ties depth of shallow behavior Et al. From hard experience I find pushing this hard for something is so not worth it.
Over a trillion dollars in student debt..Make them pay off student debt 🗣period
Its period T😎😎
To be fair the prosecution in each state where this has happened should go after every other parent who has done this in the last 3 to 4 DECADES!
These air heads, couldn't make it on their own merits. They are Freud's. Very Pathetic.
This has been going on since well before many of us were even born. I remember when High School Guidance Counselors steered most African American students away from taking academic coursework. They always pointed them towards domestics or the trades. This is no different; just another way to keep poor disadvantaged students down.
Wow, wonder how far they are going to go back on this scandal. So if someone graduated and has a great paying job somewhere and it's found out....what happens?
Just like anyone else who cheats, those students should be expelled from the school. They didn't deserve to be there.
Good interview.
Loughlin paid half a mill to get her kid into college.....which is more than the 4 yr tuition for USC. This just goes to show that being famous and privileged doesn't make you smart. Plus, what a lovely life lesson these women are teaching their children, not to mention the underlying message that they clearly didn't feel their children could get into Hollywood "appropriate" schools on their own merit.
Why do we only hear about the two actresses there are dozens of other wealthy people who paid I'd like to know who they are also
Because they're the only ones that most people have heard of.
@@kentondickerson Thanks for your answer. I was not sure why other Rich families that we might have heard of were not announce
If you're going to lie on the application trying to get a scholarship don't put beer pong as a sport your kid play.
Kids didn’t know what was happening? ?? Ok, let them know now the full extent of what was going on . Expel them immediately for fraud perpetrated by their parents. for those that have already graduated , nullify their fraudulent degrees . They can go and get a GED or get into college legitimately , never too late to do the right thing .
Mm K unfortunately that’s not gonna happen..
nasrin T well I don’t know....some people didn’t think trump would ever happen ...or 9/11 or civil rights act or end of slavery or equal rights for women ( I know it’s still not equal) or Americans for disability act or roe vs wade or whether women would be admitted to Ivy League colleges or no smoking in restaurants or airplanes would ever happen ...but these things happened...just saying ...
this article says they "bribed coaches" - well then, let's see THEM behind bars too! I am all for the parents paying out bribes doing jail time; but would like to see those ACCEPTING bribes behind bars also! If the admissions boards were in on it - well their time should be up too! "do not pass 'go' and do not collect 200 dollars - STRAIGHT TO JAIL".
Moral of the story. You are paying for a university name. Not an education
I kind of feel bad for Olivia. This is what happens when your parents are controlling and try to manipulate everything around you with money. The girl said she doesnt care about school. She was already making money from her beauty line in Sephora. She was already making youtube money. She was already successful, which is huge for 19. I get the impression that her parents made her go, and they didnt listen to her. So now, she's lost her business prospects (which was something she could've relied on prior to the scandal) and NOW NO SCHOOL WILL TAKE HER, bc her academic reputation is ruined. Her parents messed everything up!
The colleges need to get charged too. Especially Princeton. Princeton knew exactly what was going on.
That tells You that College in the USA is Only about How Much MONEY They Can Get and is Not about Educating our Children.
While my mother is pushing me so hard even though I do have a great IQ , and I play 3 sports. What are my chances to get in these universities with these riches people paying all that money? That is a shame.
What was the eventual punishment for Rick Singer ? He is the one who organized this scheme and benefited the most from it. The Loughlin family were willing victims. WEZ 2020-08-12
The D.A.s office knew about what was going on for at least a decade before moving in on Rick Singer & these parents! Why? To hook as many as possible to make the case sensationalized! I'd estimate that they had enough to shut it down years before the bulk of the DEFENDENTS were arrested, before they even started looking at colleges for their children! This was a form of entrapment for many of them! What makes it worse is many of them had no clue that going that route to get their kids into college was considered illegal? What warning did the general public have about what could happen by paying someone to help them get their kids into any college? The state attorney for each state in our country has failed to properly warn people against pursuing their children's admission in the way that has now been deemed a crime! The end result of this case will be a MASSIVE MONEY GRAB by the GOVERNMENT!
But apparently you can still get admitted and graduate from an elite US college and pronounce "nuclear" as "nucular".
All I keep thinking about is what a horrible example they've set for their kids. In an effort to help them, they've really done some lasting damage. This is just so selfish, foolish and downright cruel. They're only thinking of themselves, they want to look like they have these really smart, exceptional kids and in the process, have pushed deserving kids aside to put their kids at the front of the line. Shame on these parents, I hope they make an example of them. If they weren't stars, they'd be looking at some jail time for sure. No deals!
Too much government regulation. These days you have parents going to prison for sending their kids to a school not in their district and now this. Parents getting arrested for paying high in prices for their kids college Education.
I hope employers look at this and hear the claim of 800 families involved in the scam and recruit from state colleges instead.
Sad to think that the parents didn't have enough faith in their children that they could gain admission on their own merits...
The courts need to make sure this never happens again by giving these parents the same jail sentence you or I would get for bribery and tax avoidance They have shown there kids it's ok to lie and cheat and deprive others if you have money !!! Disgusting human beings!
The fact they got in because they could row a boat in one case is telling of how involved the college was. It cheapens the degree validity of these students. Don’t have to babe cognitive gifts at all to get in.
There is a funny video out of Laughlin and one of her daughters being interviewed, and the mom says, Oh, we never pushed our kids, we just tell them, do your best and that has to be enough. We understand they need their downtime.
It's the college admissions rules that made it all possible for people like Rick Singer to fleece parents out of extra money!
The victims are those students who qualified but didnt get in those are the true victims of this scam
I as a California Native American Indian Woman who was raised up in a Strong Faith’d home...I worked by the sweat of my brow in College...endured financial hardships that very few limited individuals can relate...I am angry 😠. These individuals need to receive sanctions and definite jail time! 🧐 God help us and May the Lord teach us while we adequately review this “elitist social behavior”.
That is so stupid! I’ll just take the millions than go to college.
Seriously, if you are rich already what's the point of Being superficial to join a lame school
The University officials are just as guilty... all universities are to have oversight officers who monitor for this type of criminal behavior.
6 1/2 million? To get your kid into college? More money than sense for sure.
Everyone involved knew !!! This is not a one time thing, its been going on all through the years...
thousands of kids who could have deserved the education.