GNB A30 CRUSHES BT2.0! New best battery connector for micros!!
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Great, seems every time an fpv company does something greedy the community responds with an open solution. HDzero gogles, ELRS, now A30 connector. Thanks FPV for all
Have you researched the price of the A30 vs the BT2.0?
This is purealy a greedy move from GNB !!!
Doing business doesn’t always mean evil or greed.
yeeeee!!!
Seeing as I'm already using BT2.0, I can easily just snag whatever A30 batteries I like and use them without a thought. That should open the door for more than just 300 and 450 mAh packs. Tis a good day for micros!
Bout time we had an open-source alternative to BT 2.0...
GNB to the rescue, I guess. :D
thanks for review this connector battery Joshua 👍
Classic Bardwell episode, good stuff
You had me laughing at the end. I was missing this video. When I realized that GNB dropped the GNB27 and went right through with the A30 this was the new standard. Definitely using it for planes under 10A/under 100g
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so helpful will all my drone questions! thank you thank you!
Definitely love how those batteries feel when flying those Flywoo micro quads. However, several of them are swelling up after only a few weeks of use.
this is great news... thanks mister
That ending was epic lol
I got these connectors for my gopro bones. That way I don't have to buy a bunch of the other connectors and so I don't have to wear out the plug on my bones.
Is it okay to run 2s through these? As long as you stay below the 15 amp limit? I'm doing micro aircraft with 11xx-18xx motors, generally pulling 7 amps or less. I have a twin planned where each motor will pull 4.7@100% throttle, so less than 10 amps combined. Thanks for the help.
I couldn't find these battery connectors anywhere only the pigtail whoop side so i drew one up on fusion 360 like i always do and got some copper tubing and made my own was pretty easy actually the copper tube comes in lengths of about 10 inches so for a few dollars and some print material you can make about 30 of them I wonder if thingiverse will get up me for posting them 😂
The adoption of A30 will not only be about the connector itself but also the quality of 1s lipos that will be using A30. Today we have Tattu, webleed etc using folded cells + BT2.0....what about A30?
I expect that will come soon, once they realize they can sell the exact same pack for $6 instead of $7 (or for $7 and keep an extra dollar of profit).
@JoshuaBardwell I'm changing to A30, good results so far. NOT good results from "the first charger with A30 sockets" though, the Flywoo 6 way. Mine was seriously overcharging HV. Awaiting replacement. One thing I would say generically (so far) against A30, being black, its harder to see polarity to connect together in less than bright lighting, which is annoying, especially on said Flywoo charger which did not have visible polarity indication other than the shape which is hard to spot with hands in the way, being tiny and black. A30 body colour should be changed to a light neutral grey IMO, preferably with a higher temp nylon. Its one area where the white BetaFPV type wins. Also I'm a long term experienced solderer, but the black plastic the A30's are currently coming through with takes VERY little heat sink, even fast and "solder as a connected pair".
Great review, Joshua! Thanks! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I just got a moblite 7 w gnb27. Should I just buy some gnb27 batteries to get started. 30$ isn't a huge deal to me. Or should I upgrade to a30 off the jump?
After converting a few batteries over to A30 I have some thoughts.( I am not the best solder smith but not the worst either. ) Tolerances seem to be all over the place on them. Sometimes the male terminals are far apart, sometimes so close it is very hard to get heat shrink between the terminals. Only real advantage of the A30 vs GNB27 is compatibility with BT2.0 chargers. Weight difference isn't significant enough for a hack like me.
Really, the best choice might be BT2.0 on the quad and buy A30 batteries pre-soldered.
@@JoshuaBardwell This discussion probably isn't helped by betafpv and GNB not using the same nomenclature ( male-female) for battery side & quad side connectors.
Just buy pack of 5 Tattu 300mAh 1s batteries. BT2.0 on this plug very hard in charger and conector on Tiny whoop. Look like new batch of BT2.0 connector have slightly smaller hole in conector.
I made a mistake. I bought a beta FPV Cetus and saw that there was a 550 mAh battery that would fit the drone. But…. the slot is to small and I think a little to heavy. Any suggestions?
🎉Yeah no more plug swaps in the future. GNB is doing the right thing.
I don't know if this was an issue with Tiny Whoops quality, but Flywoo's A30 pigtails are so much stronger than Tiny Whoop's BT2.0 pigtails. I'm going A30 all the way.
Woo-hoo, it fit. 😁
A similar thing like that came loose from cordless handset. How do I get it back in?
Dammit you tricked me into watching the same content twice. Well played, Bardwell, well played.
How much it is A30 better to bt2.0 in resistance and flighttime. I want to know if a switch is usefull enough. Its not so big like from ph2.0 but how big is it in detail. Maybe an hover test and see how much different it is, that would be great😊
Oscar Liang tested these to be pretty much identical to BT2.0
The cool part is that the A30 is unlicensed.
I hope the a30 changes my mind on 1s
it has a polarity protection shape sort of cheaper better than diode . But if the pins touch backwards i heard the esc fries instead of going dieedle deee . Dee dee when plugging in the battery . Cramming it in is ok . Ooops . I thought it was supposed to cram easy
How dare you make those start up tones play in my head like that! lol
Good morning josh
I'm not sure how that little tiny notch allows it to crush bt2.0 since it appears to be exactly the same thing, notch aside. Anyway I've got bt2.0 connectors so it's nice to be able to buy the a30 batteries for it.
I think he simply means it will likely be lower cost.
This is about the connector being unlicenced
Nothing is better than BT 2.0 Closed.
I stay at GNB27. In another comment her under this video I descripe why A30 and BT2.0 are very bad and why GNB27 and XT connectors are much better.
It's the same exact connector but way cheaper, which makes it better.
I am so sick and tired of changing my connectors again. So annoying 😡. Just finished converting everything to GNB27 now they are going obsolete.
This is why I stayed with ph2.0 (and bc I have a bunch of them already) Im waiting for the market to clear and have a widespread connector type like ph2.0
betafpv sells 10 connectors for 4.99$ retail. that alone would be less than 50cents. price will surely drop if you buy 1000 connectors.
Gnb 27 is the best 4 me till now ☝️ but thats also nice 🍀 lg
thank you GNB.
Getting the bt2.0 to fit in the a30 isn't really that hard. Also saw a guy who found that you can plug a30 Batts into a gnb27. Its a bit smaller but still works but doesn't work the other way.
Is there a difference in flight time between the BT2.0 and the A30 connectors?
I notice insignificant different, only a few seconds difference like PH compared to BT. The differences are less resistance and which lead to better fly performance at the end of battery capacity
BT2.0 and A30 perform almost identically according to Oscar Liang's testing
That's a genius move from GNB if you ask me.
How are you charging your A30s Mr. Bardwell?
They plug into BT2.0 charger no problem.
PH 2.0 should be illegal
😂
The problem with this connector is the fact that the GNB27 existed. I literally just finished switching all my 1s quads and batteries to GNB27 only for GNB to ditch the connector. What assurances do I have that this connector won't be ditched if GNB gets a hair in their ass again and decides to change it?
😢Yes, that's a pity. I am glad I have not changed
I just switched all mine to GNB27 too :(
GNB27 is a great connector. No need to change to A30, if you ask me.
I stay at GNB27. We just need to buy 100 of these and we have lifelong GNB27. They gonna be cheap soon if no one want them because of the BT2.0and A30... In another comment her under this video I descripe why A30 and BT2.0 are very bad and why GNB27 and XT connectors are much better.
It's compatible with bt2.0. Which means that people like me, who already have bt2.0 chargers and quads are more likely to buy A30 batteries. And if people will be buying A30 batteries, companies will make more products with A30 connector.
I just switched to GNB27 🤦🏻♂️ now got to switch them to A30 eventually 🤣 GNB27 goves more current wish my 2s whoop used gnb27
LOL, I mean you could always make a 2S pigtail using GNB27. I mostly fly 1S and my new 2S just gets to suffer the weight of a XT30->2xBT2 adapter while I'm deciding if I want to spend on a set of 2S packs.
@FluffRat I left it xt30 because all the 2s batteries r xt30. Didn't want to change all the batteries too. BT20 to GNB27 such a tiny weight difference I don't care but xt30 I'd like to cut that weight lol
and i just switched to bt2 :,)
I just swapped my batteries to bt2.0
Looks like XT-0.3
Can this connector do well with 2S voltage?
I don't see why not, they're rated for hundreds of volts, 15A continuous, and 30A burst.
Voltage is irrelevant, or at least the voltages used here. It's the current that counts.
Maybe but 2S whoop has bigger frame (>75mm) and more powerfull motors, so extra weight of XT30 wasn't an issue
Im gonna convert my whoops and 1s batteries to A30
How many percent more is the GNB A30 much better ????
It is not beter. It is just cheaper.
It really depends on the cost, but since the moment I knew these were coming, I thought they would be amazing. Also, Betafpv could just make theirs open source too now? *shrug*
I think the move is gonna be using A30 on batteries and BT2.0 on the ESCs lol
that way drone is fully universal and accepts any batteries, and the batteries fit either connetor too
(although they are compatible either way regardless
This is brilliant. If the BT2.0 really is more durable, go ahead and use it. But save money on batteries. I'm totally stealing this.
@@ignasanchezl I'm already doing this and it works great.
Should've also mention the GNB27 connector in this video!
Even GNB seems to be giving up on it. The a30 is from them.
It makes sense to be honest. The connectors were overlapping a bit too much, and them being cross compatible with BT2.0 just makes the tiny performance differences to the GNB27 irrelevant imo.
Also I saw various people having issues with poor tolerances on GNB27, connectors being too tight or simply falling off with no resistance. I bet they just wanted to start over.
@@ignasanchezl Yeah I must have got a bad batch of nitro nectars with the GNB27 connector because they are so loose they will disconnect mid flight
Weighs slightly more. Mating pair of PH2.0 0.3g, BT2.0 0.6g, GNB27 0.8g.
What’s the point if you want to buy these connectors they cost the same as bt2.0 (so far I see them slightly more expensive)? I’m about to make all my 1s batteries use XT30 connectors since they’re way cheaper, like half the price from most vendors. Tests of the the BT2.0 A30 & solid pin PH2.0 (folded pin is terrible) show tiny differences anyway
Did you even listen to the intro lol? You don’t need xt30 for 1s. It’s far too heavy.
@@rp479 And? It’s about a 1 gram difference. I understand for tony whoops it’s a lot of weight, but I’m not racing and I’m not even close enough to be remotely close to guess accurately the difference. And the weight argument goes out the window when you have guys going digital and adding 10+ grams for a pretty picture
can someone show us, where the BT2.0 has a patent or license on it? anyone?
I heard enough Jeff !! I know u use knockoff connectors on your batteries
I have heard conflicting statements about gnb27 compatibility. Will my gnb27 batteries plug into an A30 equiped micro?
No
I put 20awg JST-PH 2.0 on my whoops, don't have any more current issues. I've melted crappy jst2.0 connectors before because of the current draw. I think it's mostly the trash 22 or 24 awg wire that's the problem with most ph2.0 connectors not actually the connector itself, it's just metal. That's hilarious everyone is creating all these new connectors instead of just fixing the ones that seem to be the standard already.
Watch Mute FPV's tests. There is quite a difference.
Plus GNB27 was dropped for the A30.
It's the small contact area and low pressure that is the problem, not the wire. Localised heating can cause oxidation and then the resistance starts shooting up. So does the temperature, vicious circle. Putting something on to keep the oxygen away helps, like WD40.
Alright already. I have enough damn batteries. Now your saying I need more??? Lmao
Here we go again ANOTHER connector we DON"T want in the collection
Ok, good. But is it somehow revolutionary, or is it just a cheaper BT2.0 ripoff with a lock?
It's a marginal improvement. It's essentially the same, but cheaper and available to other companies to use.
This is like preferring a knock-off XT60 connector not made by Amass… they are SIGNIFICANTLY worse! Upfront… I dislike BetaFPV, but all GNB did is create a connector with a worse conductor alloy and a significantly worse plastic quality. It was a race to the bottom price wise and the A30 performs worse long term and breaks significantly easier. I have tested this extensively for months and GNBs connector is inferior in every way, and it hurts me to say this… this isn’t open source or better, it’s just worse and only done for money, not to help the community. 😢
Huh is this legit not unlicenced unlike the BT2.0?
If that's true, then run BT2.0 on your quad and buy A30 batteries? Best of both worlds?
Fully agreed with you guy, I get some for a few weeks and they are just BT2.0 greedy copy... Worst material, worst fit, black color make them a lot harder to fit the right way, pricier...
@@DonJohnsonFPVhow is it greedy? They’re literally in the business of selling Lipo batteries.
what about gnb27 i feel that is still better
It seems like GNB is giving up on the 27 and going with the a30. GNB 8nvented the a30.
Slightly heavier, but with higher current capability.
L stay at GNB27. We just need to buy 100 of these and we have lifelong GNB27. They gonna be cheap soon if no one want them because of the BT2.0and A30... In another comment her under this video I descripe why A30 and BT2.0 are very bad and why GNB27 and XT connectors are much better.
@@Sugalime3D_FPV won't really help if batteries cease to have GNB27s in future.
@@edcbabc Every new battery you need to solder than... I know that...
No I am not doing this again
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Marketing their superior connector
I read most of the comments by the fan boys but no one does any critial thinking anymore, it seems. - this video is full of claims but presents no proof that A30 actually ‘crushes’ VT 2.0. JB admits that both connections provide the same or similar current qaround 2:32 in the video but he is not providing any data or proof it bests BT 2.0. The only thing that A30 we can say about, is that it is open-sourced so may dominate BT 2.0 at some point down the road. I expect more from JB - he is good at testing and backing up his claims - it is simply missing in this video. I don’t even understand how it is better besides the commercial that this product will giv us more run time on the battery and more punch? How? Where is the proof (data?)?
Unfortunately, my battery test machine is on the way over to the UK so Chris Rosser can add it to his lab. Otherwise I would have tested some A30 myself to back up the claims personally. Nevertheless, BT2.0 has repeatedly been demonstrated (including by my own personal testing) to beat PH2.0 significantly in terms of current handling and voltage drop. A30 has been tested by others to be equal to BT2.0 in performance, which is to be expected since they are very similar in design. Therefore, A30 equals BT2.0 in performance, crushes PH2.0 in performance, and A30 doesn't have a "tax" imposed on its use. Therefore, it "crushes" BT2.0 in that it will gain widespread adoption because it is same performance for cheaper.
@@JoshuaBardwellI'm hoping batteries with it may be more widely available than BT2.0.
It’s only successful never can buy them cheap!
Hey Joshua would you mind sharing how many dislikes you're getting on this video? It seems like a lot of people are not happy about the new standard 😆
98.7% likes. Compared to an average of 98.1% for the channel as a whole.
341 to 10
I actually dislike the BETAFPV BT2.0 connector and new GNB A30 connector. Here is why: Safety and handling is for me more important then performance ! The GNB company is probably planning to replace the GNB27 with the GNB A30. This means that the GNB27 will probably no longer be produced. I think this development is bad. Everyone knows I find the BT2.0 and A30 very bad because they have such a super small pin spacing for the cables to be soldered. Not only is it extremely difficult to solder and insulate, no, in my opinion, it is also more dangerous to have a small pin spacing... (danger of short in a event of overheat or machnical stress). I will convert all my 1S hardware to GNB27, anyway that the GNB27 will eventually run out... The GNB27 has better pin spacing than BT2.0, and an XT connector has even larger pin spacing if you look and compare a virtually scaled down to the same size of a BT2.0 pins. And the XT connector is undoubtedly the best and most used connector in the RC sector at the moment...
It's OK if you use heat shrink. XT30 is great, but the difference is 4-5% of the all up weight for a whoop. That is a lot.
@@edcbabc no it's ok i use the GNB27. I would be happy if the XT company brings out a XT9 or XT7 (scaled down XT15).
You just gotta get good at soldering and using heat shrink. Just converted 3 quads and 15 whoop batteries to a30 with no problems at all. Absolute game changer. I love this new connector. Works great.
@@rp479 the most problem is not the soldering. I'm good at it. But it is safety. Heat and mechanical stress can do that pins come togheter... Because they are so close togheter...
@@Sugalime3D_FPV well I’ve been running a30s for a while. On 3 whoops. I’ve had zero issues. Is this something you’ve actually seen?