The Congress of Vienna: Decided by YOU
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You guys voted the peace that ended the Napoleonic Wars. How did that turn out?
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"Brandenburg Concerto no. 4" by J.S. Bach
What should I try this format on next?
maybe the 7 years war? very interesting war with a bunch of different outcomes
The 30 Years War
Seven years war, lots of different possible outcomes.
Asian Theater ww2?
Now you need to do runoff voting, with the smallest candidate in each question removed.
You really should do ranked-choice voting. With so many similar options, many winners were dissimilar from the rest of the options, had a small plurality, but won the vote over the large groupings of more similar options that people actually preferred.
Counterpoint: the map ends up way funnier this way
Ranked-choice voting would also be more reflective of the process of debate and negotiation.
I could try that in the future if google forms can make that work.
@@EmperorTigerstar Can we also have the option to see/edit our responses? I'd like to know what I voted for. Either way, still bumbed that Poland didn't get fully restored...but at least it survived. That and you can do ranked choice voting.
Nah ranked choice is often convoluted.
"is the world ready for Tropical Swedes in the Caribbean" it already was! Sweden took control of St. Barthelemy island in 1784 in exchange for the French getting some trading rights in Goteborg eventually they'd sell it back to France in 1878, after failed negotiations to sell it to the US or Italy (now imagine Italians in the Caribbean)
There was almost Latin American Swedes! Carl Johan dearly wanted a colony on the South American mainland to develop. He tried for 20 years by hook and by crook to obtain territory but it never worked out. He personally always had a dream of developing a territory out of the wilderness dating back to the time Napoleon offered him the governorship of Louisiana. During the 1820s and 1830s Sweden was curiously quite involved in the affairs of Latin America and the Caribbean as Carl Johan angled to carve out a Swedish niche. It is a little known period of Swedish history.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 The Queen never liked the Swedish climate.
Roussillon was Spanish for quite a while until the French conquered it. It would make sense for Spain to get that back as repayment for the Napoleonic Wars, as IRL they suffered a lot trough the war (and lost their entire empire) while gaining nothing in return.
They didn't so much conquer it as they just took it in exchange for putting down a rebellion
Losing your colonial empire isn’t « suffering » it’s just getting your comeuppance. Especially when you see the behaviour of loyalist troops on the continent in general and Mexico in particular.
@@alexismisrachi3946 I'd say the Peninsular War was damn fair amount of suffering for the Spanish people.
Roussillon was catalan, and Catalans talk a language by far closer to french than castelliano
And the catalan language there was prohibited for a long time and today it's a big minority compared to its status in Catalonia or Andorra
Let’s go! Hope you do this with the Seven Years War
The Seven Years' War is not as interesting as the Succession Wars for the purposes of a voting game. Let's vote on who gets the crown of the Spanish Habsburgs! Who gets Two Sicilies! Does Zorro liberate California? Spanish Succession Austrian Succession Polish Succession Burgundian Succession that I know of.
I was thinking Mongol Empire.
I didn’t know that I had a vote in Vienna!
That was rather the opposite of what they were trying to do IRL.
Regarding Guadalupe and Swedes in the Caribbean, there was almost Latin American Swedes! Carl XIV Johan (aka former Marshal Bernadotte) dearly wanted a colony on the South American mainland to develop. He tried for 20 years by hook and by crook to obtain territory but it never worked out. He personally always had a dream of developing a territory out of the wilderness dating back to the time Napoleon offered him the governorship of Louisiana in 1803. During the 1820s and 1830s Sweden was curiously quite involved in the affairs of Latin America and the Caribbean as Carl Johan angled to carve out a Swedish niche. It is a little known period of Swedish history.
I'm surprised The Swedes didn't make more of an effort to keep Guadeloupe. Apparently The Brits paid Bernadotte a deal of hush money to stop him making a fuss about it going back to France. You'd think France should have paid.
I remember voting like I was paid by Napoleon. I literally voted every time to make France great again and Napoleon get power
MFGA
You are a nice person Vive l'Empereur !!!
Oui-oui mon amie @@BlackHawk2b
sure, why not
Lol, I was the complete opposite. I tried to make Fr*nce as small as possible
People need to be more responsible. If you give Heligoland to Denmark, de British cannot use it to acquire Zanzibar, so the Germans keep it which means: Freddy Mercury will be German! Friedrich Quecksilber, probably singing German Schlagers. DO YOU REALLY WANT THAT?!
I totally want that! Someone should train an AI to do that!
Just because it would be controlled by germans it doesn't mean they would be german. There would be other people than germans in that place
Whatever. I don't even listen to Freddy Mercury.
Here is a wild one, how about reestablishing saxony-poland and connecting them via silesia as a true buffer state between austria and prussia.
and how about about saxony-poland-lithuania-hungary-sweden-bohemia-silesia? winged hussars intensify
@@grandengineernathan you forgot about Croatia like before the death of Vladislaw Jagiellon
@@owoc8260 ah yes, my bad XD
6:43 ‘kaiser-boos’ for enlarging the German states. Ok, I had the exact opposite reason to what you supposed, I wanted larger stronger German states so that they could more robustly oppose Prussian domination. Edit: and not just to fight Prussia, Germany was always going to unify under Prussia, austria, or unified little states solution. But whatever it is, hopefully there might be a counter-balance to Prussian cultural/militarism dominance
And if there's future (Prussian-led) unification anyway, the federal kingdom of Prussia won't be quite so big
@@chromographia106which would be worse for the weimar republic since prussia was a solid leftwing bulwark against the far right
@@duskpede5146 I mean by the time the Weimar republic rolls around the internal politics of Germany, if it even exist, will be a lot different. The events in this video are multiple generations of people removed from WW2. There's no guarantee Prussia would still be mostly leftwing or the others would be far right.
It was prussian Militarism and buerocracy that led to WWI in the first place. No big Prussia means that the chaos of Weimar might be avoided entirely.@@duskpede5146
@@duskpede5146 maybe you're in the wrong timeline. Prussia was definitely not a leftwing bulwark, they refused to be at the helm of a unified germany because that opportunity was presented by 1848 revolutionaries - 'crown from the gutter'
On voting for this treaty, I was looking first for independence where possible, then secondly to avoid exclaves without making people too large. Seeing these results, I think I would stay away from a WW2 scenario, I'm worried about those Kaiserboos becoming Wehraboos...
Why? Because they rightfully wouldn't accept Germany's massive losses of territory after the war?
As a Spaniard voting on the Andorra thing, I must say: at least this way we prevent it from transforming into a tax haven. And also having Roussillon incorporated would at least make it so all Catalonian speaking regions got under one authority instead of divided. And protect them from the heavy hand France has had with this kind of regional languages and identities.
tax havens are good, actually
@@australiananarchist480no
@@silphonym yes.
@@australiananarchist480 yeah obviously making easier to the rich to pay even less taxes is good guys, trust me it will tricke down i swear!
@@australiananarchist480the locals get pushed out by raised prices, and neither local or central governments get revenue. Universally bad for people, good for global elites scumming money
Can you make a poll and video about how we would structure a constitution? Like Question 1: Are the Head of State and Head of Government the same person? Question 2: Is the Head of Government elected by the Legislature, the People, appointed… Question 3: Is it a federation, confederation or centralised state etc? Etc. You could choose a real country at a specific moment in time and make it specific to that. Such as USA 1776, France 1793, West Germany 1949, France 1958, Afghanistan 2001 etc.
I love this idea!
Good idea!
This is actually a really good idea! It'd be interesting to see how the US or French or whatever other constitution would end up and how similar to the original it would be
I would love to also know where the people who made what choice come from. Like are they voting for a Constitution similar to their home state or are they perhaps trying to avoid that at all costs.
Gun ownership contingent on militia registration
No, I missed it :( It would be cool if you announced the next contest in a separate video. I think, as a general rule of thumb, if you give people the ability to vote for a minor power gaining colonies or independence, most people will vote for that just to see how it shifts the border and also because It's fascinating to think about the implications of a more culturally diverse New World or Middle East. Also, what if, after Napoleon's second exile in Elba, he uses his influence to turn it into a respectable minor power in the Mediterranean like Monaco? So when he dies, the Elbians decide they would rather keep being ruled by his kin, so Napoleon III leaves France and becomes Monarch of Elba.
If Napoleon stays on Elba, Napoleon the 2nd could inherit the Isle on behalf of Austria* (*if necessary) and maybe the mediterranean climate will improve his health.
What about Olivenza? The Congress of Vienna promised to give it back to Portugal, but they didn’t do it, and Spain kept it. There perhaps should’ve been a vote to give it back to Portugal
As a Spaniard I would have voted for Portugal to have Olivenza
In our history curriculum (at a school somewhere in the Netherlands) we play out the congress of Vienna in year four of what we call middle school (around age 15). Everyone plays as a certain country. Some are big powers like France, Russia or Prussia, and others all small countries like Naples, Saxony or the Netherlands. I played as Saxony. For some reason my class thought they’d be funny and did some ridiculous stuff. They decided that everything would be a part of Russia (screw historical accuracy i guess) and because my class was made up of fools they had a 5/9 majority. At some point, we, as the tiny nation of Saxony, were the only ones resisting the force of the mighty combined empires of Russia, Prussia, the UK, France and Austria. It was very ridiculous, but still a fun project.
Without Lombardy Venetia Austrai would certainly be weaker but they might get less attracted to italian affair. Keep in mind that Prussia's victory in 1866 was partially thanks to Austria sending troups to Venetia to defend it from Italy (even though they previously agreed to give them the province).
Yeah. In this timeline, Austria would only need to dedicate itself on German and Balkan affairs. While wealthy and valuable, the Italian lands often distracted Austrian attention and manpower whenever it had a rebellion or war
i'm shocked you didn't include the fate of the rhineland in the survey since that seemed to me to be the biggest change in the map from before. having prussia get given the wealthiest province in germany, just as a matter of compensation for poland
Could be interesting to make an alternate history out of this. You could even toss in more votes down the road for other major decisions.
The Swedish-Guadalupe connection lasted into the 1980s. Long-story short: When Marshal Bernadotte was elected Crown Prince of Sweden in 1810 and became Carl Johan, he paid off much of the Swedish national debt with his own money and from the handsome proceeds of the sale of his estates in France, Germany and Poland, and the Principality of Ponte Corvo. In 1812-1813 when Carl Johan was assembling the 6th Coalition with Britain and Russia against Napoleon, he had two territorial requests as the price of Sweden's participation in a campaign against Napoleon in Germany: 1) The cession of Norway from Denmark and 2) The cession of Guadalupe from France to the person of the Swedish King, and thence to Carl Johan (via Britain who occupied it) in partial personal compensation for having paid down the Swedish national debt, as well as having paid many Swedish nationals compensation, out of his own pocket to the tune of millions, for property lost to France after the French Invasion of Swedish Pomerania. During the War of the Sixth Coalition, and after a very brief campaign in December 1813 that saw Bernadotte overrun most of Denmark, the Treaty of Kiel was signed on 14 Jan 1814 that ceded the Kingdom of Norway to the Swedish Crown in exchange for Swedish Pomerania and £1Million. Carl Johan paid this sum out of his own pocket, again. However, at the Congress of Vienna in 1814, it was decided for various political reasons to return Guadalupe to France. In exchange, the British paid Carl Johan, directly, 24 Million Francs as a settlement. Carl Johan used 12 Million Francs to pay off the remaining Swedish national debt, and used the other 12 Million Francs to pay for various public works. To compensate Carl Johan for his extreme generosity for using so much of his own money for the national interest, the Swedish parliament, the Riksdag, voted Bernadotte an annuity of 300,000 Riksdalers per annum. After his death the annuity would transfer to his son and then to his heir (only those inheriting the crown) and so on. This annuity remained in place, still at 300,000 Kroner, until 1983 when the Riksdag voted to end it as the House of Bernadotte had by then been amply compensated.
Ranked voting is certainly possible by doing some math in a spreadsheet with the COUNTIF formula. I have figured out how to fully automate the Borda, Instant Runoff, and Condorcet counting methods, if you would be interested.
Swedish Guadalupe, huh? That would make for a VERY interesting colonialism story. Imagine if abba did a song there.
@EmperorTigerstar you should make a part 2 on how this alternate Vienna would change the world
This series is great. I can wait to vote for the next one.
It's interesting to see what people chose in that survey. Thank you for your video.😊
This is by far my favorite series, please keep doing these
Now I wonder where would ESA build their launch site when french guyana became part of Brazil
I voted in favor of maximal Spanish gains mainly because the Peninsular War was arguably the most devastating part of the Napoleonic Wars, so this would be a fair compensation to the country. I also felt it didn't really threaten the status quo as Spain wasn't considered a Great Power anymore.
Treaties are not about benevolent compensations, they're about balance of power, and a tight arbitration between punishing and giving guarantees to parties that will have influence in the course of history. Spain was simply too unimportant for it to gain territories over France, which would have been needlessly disrespectful towards France from the winning parties, as the French kingdom would inevitably play a massive role in the continent in the 19th century, and without any compensating diplomatic value in 'strengthening' a very weak country with a crumbling empire.
@@DaDa-ui3swAhh yes, like how Poland was (and still is) unimportant, yet it still got a massive chunk of German-speaking territories from Germany after WWII.
@@tylerbozinovski427 I should have precised "treaties pre-WW1" because from there the right of peoples to self-determination became a major factor in geopolitics. It was nonexistent up until then, which makes your example irrelevant.
@@DaDa-ui3sw Not really, because the border change I just mentioned wasn't about self-determination at all, but rather about Soviet imperialism and the desire to punish Germany. The territories granted to Poland were thoroughly German.
Doesn't change anything. Poland may in itself be unimportant but the stakes around the future of Polish lands were absolutely crucial in the context of post-WW2 Europe. Your point is null.
Nice content on channel. I would like to see that with Potsdam and Yalta conference (mostly negotations about borders in eu after ww2 for poland and germany).
3:40 i remember a ck2 campain one of my first where i got that region as Spain from France, I also voted a lot for France in other questions so i felt like they cant get too much of a good thing.
11:23 It's the first one. The E is silent.
3:50 Because even to this day, the people of this region are Catalans.
I was rooting for Brazil to gain French Guiana since the beginning. 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
i wasn't. brazil SUCKED for the entire 19th century. they still had slavery until like the 1890's. it is by far the worse outcome for the guyana's
@@duskpede5146The Reign of Pedro II was the best time to live in Brazil of all time
@@danielteodoro628 For some...
@@danielteodoro628not if you were a slave, or poor
@@duskpede5146 Pedro II's reign was beneficial to the country as a whole. It maybe didn't help the situation of the poor and the slaves, but It don't matter.
I think if Saxony kept their PU over Poland you might have an interesting scenario of these 2 buffer states being tied at the hip
I would love to see a follow up video diving deep into what would come out of this scenario
love this pls do more
Honestly the independent Poland would probably be ruled by the Wettins, (the rulers of Saxony) and knowing their WONDERFUL mental abilities, would probably revolt at some point in the next 20 years and get partitioned. Youshould do more of these!
I got to decide on the congress of Vienna so cool
I didn't expect it to show up, but an interesting poll could have been about the Stato dei presidii, giving it back to Naples or not
it'd be interesting to make more of these surveys keep the same continuity, so going forward we could have events after this point be decided by survey and the outcomes and whatnot, like if the archduke frank gets assassinated or not, and if the powers of europe decide to escalate, how certain revolutions go, if war breaks out, and if so who wins, what happens after, etc. like a survey version of Paradox games like hearts of iron or europa universalis
These are so cool
I actually favoured Austria in most options, mostly because I decided that with the benefits of the hindsight, if I want to have a longer period balance, I need to pump up the weakest bloke on the block.
I think it would be interesting if next time you did one of these you asked the respondents to identify where they land on the political spectrum, it would be interesting to see how that correlates to some of the questions
i love how britain was pretty much like "oh those colonies? yeah they're just ours now" irl
Great video
With the Spainish border, I really wanted an option to give Spain Rousillon but maintain the dual principality in Andorra. Since that wasn't an option, I voted for the 1792 border. I liked giving Spain the bit of French territory because of the cultural similarities of the Gascon and Catalan peoples Perhaps that cultural union would have latter lead to a successful break away, cross mountain state; and, I think that's funny.
The music was also used in Civilization IV and I just heard it a lot yesterday lol
Rousillon and Andorra were still majority Catalan (in terms of ethnicity) as far as I knew when I voted. Also, with an increased share of Catalans in Spain, their bargaining power and influence within Spain would slightly increase, slightly weakening the aggressive political and cultural integration and assimilation by Madrid. Also to transfer some power from France to Spain.
Regarding Spain-France border. I voted for the winning options as that was historically part of the Crown of Aragon that was permanently renounced when the Treaty of the Pyrenees was signed which for me, as Spanish citizen, was just a political statement for France to declare itself dominator of Europe and humiliates Spain. Rousillon is historically and cultural part of Catalonia.
it's only fair to have a part of Catalonia in France, just as it goes for the Basque country
@@DaDa-ui3swwhy
@@Didagg It's better this way
@@DaDa-ui3sw How is it better this way, it would be better for all the catalan people to be united under one rule, wouldn’t it? Same with basque, especially considering how awful the french are with regional languages
@@Didagg I would say its best for any peoples not D'oil to not be a part of france, considering their agressive policies of hardline integration of ancient cultures into the 'standard' french. the loss of Occitan is a disgrace.
13:50 most likely the Swedes will sell it to us like Denmark did with the virgin islands.
We didn't with Sankt Barthélemy, we handed that back to the French. St.Barts was Swedish from 1784 to 1878. Add in Guadalupe and maybe the Swedish possessions are seen as more important and kept til the present? Or they draw more interest from France, the UK and the US to take control over? Hard to tell. Sweden selling them to the US in the late 1800s to fund infrastructure development in Sweden proper could happen? the Danish virgin Islands were right next to the US possession of Puerto Rico, so was a more obvious thing for the US probably? but Guadalupe is further away. Still, having Guadalupe & St. Barts bu US islands is the outcome I'd go for. If not independent, of course. side-note: When Sweden took over St. Barts the new Swedish colonial government apparently just accepted and kept going with slavery.
@@GustavSvard oh alright. Though I wouldn’t be surprised selling it to the British or Dutch might also have been an option, now that you mentioned it. You know how 19th/20th century geo politics works.
I'm disappointed that we didn't get a ranked auction of 300-plus entities.
6:45 Nice!!
RIP Olivenza not being brought up
Metternich, Castlereagh, Hardenburg, Alexander I and Talleyrand all seethe.
I think Castlereagh and Talleyrand are fairly happy.
Technically speaking, Britain was expecting to lose Hanover in 1815. Keep in mind George IV’s only legitimate child, Princess Charlotte of Wales, was still alive at this point. So the expectation was that Charlotte would inherit the throne of Britain and pass it to her descendants while either the Duke of York and Albany or the Duke of Clarence would become the next King of Hanover after the deaths of George III (1820) and George IV (1830), with the Duke of Clarence, best known as William IV as York was fairly unhealthy and died in 1827.
I'm not a fan of Kaiser nonsense at all but I voted for big Bavaria and Hanover because they have fewer ugly exclaves
Bavaria and Hanover aren't the same thing as the Kaiserreich. The latter didn't even survive past 1866, when they sided with Austria (for whatever reason).
@@tylerbozinovski427 most states sided with austria, partially because austria was the tradtional leader of germany, and partially because prussia was seen as the agressor in the war.
While it would take a bit more time, a secondary poll with the two most popular choices would probably be better, especially when sometimes the result of the polls are literally like 2-10% margins.
adding a *
Swedish Pomerania was willingly ceded to Prussia by Sweden in exchange for Prussia's assent to the Treaty of Kiel that transferred Norway to the Swedish Crown. This was a keynote of Bernadotte's policy as not only winning over Prussia to his aims, but also as his way of exiting Sweden out of European entanglements. He didn't want it. Even in 1813-1814 he envisioned Sweden as a mostly neutral nation that invested its modest resources into internal development rather than expansion as had been the policy since 1634. Bernadotte, as a product of the French Revolution, wanted "natural boundaries" for Sweden, surrounded now by water on three sides, that would keep it out of the endless wars. So for him, Norway was a far better prize than Pomerania, or even some of the Hanse Cities which Napoleon had offered him when he tried to detach Sweden from the Coalition.
"natural borders" Idk Sweden-Norway with the Finnmark panhandle always looked quite weird to me on a map tbh.
"Natural borders", ie no nasty land frontier with Denmark. It's remarkable how friendly the two countries became afterwards.
This gives me a single thread of hope, my family's German component are Saxony native.
These videos are always funny because they seemingly always result in the most unrealistic possibility and most likely would cause another war.
Can you please make a follow-up on this scenario? What would occur if this had gone through?
Not a subscriber (yet?) but my brother made me vote. I don't regret it. Very fun.
The lack of a question about Finland is dissapointing.
I voted prioritizing clean(er) borders and causing chaos in that order, so I think the means I got most of what I voted for in this. I don't quite remember all of what I went with
Peace in our time lads
Can someone explain to me how making Prussia's live harder in their quest to unify germany is the ultimate kaiserboo move? I don't get it
12:00 emperor tigerstar endorses venezuelan position on essequibo 👀
OMG I MISSED IT SO NARROWLY
I don't think this map change was that drastic, at least from the perspective of a modern audience, because the Congress of Vienna is farther back than the Peace of Versailles, meaning that emotions and memories are not that strong.
Dam i missed this one, when we gonna do another?
Yes finally!
Rousillon was part of historic Catalonia and Spain. First there was the breakaway March of Catalonia that left after Charlemagne, then the consolidation of Catalan areas under County of Barcelona, then unification with the Kingdom of Aragon, then unification with Castille-Leon. It only became French in the late 1600s as over the early modern period France successfully attacked Spain and took more and more land. Similar things happened in Basque France the other side of the Pyrenees
The march of Catalonia didn't leave Charlemagne, it was part of the kingdom of West Francia and France "de jure", but then the kings of France lost all their authority over the region which gradually became independent, until it united with Aragon. This is why France felt entitled to annex it later, since it had old historical claims to this territory
@@fireandblood8142 I edited because I meant to put *after Charlemagne. The Marcher Lords did exert independence so that as France was forming from the all the wars between East, Middle, West Frankia and co the area was a set of counts and barons who ignored the French kings and then unified under Barcelona. I wasnt trying to say France didnt have a claim (I believe Rousillon specifically was via hereditary feudal inheritance), but that the greater Catalan speaking region had a long Spanish history whereas the French rule was so early and brief it would be very strange to say call Barcelona French rather than Spanish. Am I making sense?
The sam o nella music in the background is making me nostalgic
What’s happens with Ceylon and South Africa?
Do the 7 Years War next. That'll get REAL wacky.
RAGUSA RESTORED LESSS GOOOOOO 🗣🗣🗣💯💯💯
Oh boy. I’m sure the results will be good.
The way I voted was by taking the oversimplified idea of "The Congress of Vienna was created to reset Europe to before the French Revolution" too seriously. I voted "Give ___ back to ___" or "Restore ___" every time, and even intentionally abstained from voting on a few of the questions if none of the answers suggested returning the map to how they were roughly 25 years prior.
I wasn't on the patreon for this vote, but I can appreciate many members basically dong what I would have done in these votes: make sure the Habsburgs can never have anything nice.
I had fun voting but I forgot about this project until now
No vote on whether to give Corsica to Piedmont-Sardinia?
Do the Seven Years War next
when voting for colonies i didn't want to give anything back to france since they seemed to be the worst of them in regards to future colonial matters. especially when it came to the 20th century and potential independence, which they fought tooth and nail to prevent
For Guyane and Guadeloupe it went well though?
@@ebenezer576they're literally still colonies to this day
1:50 "Hey kids..."
Spain was destroyed during the war and got 0 compensation so it seemed fair
I just want to vote to give all the land to Norway. ALL of it.
Ironically I missed this poll because the Congress of Vienna was the subject of my master's thesis. When I was an undergrad, I attended a course on European Diplomatic Practice. It was a combination of lectures and "simulations", basically games in which we would take diplomatic conferences and events in history and pretend we were in that situation. Your Congress of Vienna simulation is more comprehensive than what I had when I was a student. We were grouped into two. One group proposed an economic trade union using the most stereotypical of foods as the main products of exchange. My group proposed we marry everyone off to each other. It eventually sparked my interest in the Congress itself.
So... if Poland were to be put again in the map, i can see either another partition, the moment the poles are distracted, or the smaller german houses bullying Prussia later on to drop Poznan and other polish majority territories in favour of influencing Hannover and other smallies (+ southern germans were catholics as well as the poles, so i could see that work out too).
I feel honoured for participating in this.
why was there no vote in any way over sweden or denmark?
I deliberately picked all the weird and/or wildcard options because it was funny.
So, who gets Olivenza?
One small correction though: Andorra has been (and is) ruled by the head of the french state and the bishop of Urgel in Spain, not the head of the spanish state.
I'm sure the balance of powers is going to be achieved!
What is a trade rout?
4:00 cause catalonia
If you want to do this again, I recommend the Treaty of Westphalia. Besides the end of WWI/WWII, I'd argue it was one of the most influential in European history
This is why regular people don’t make treaties.
Will there be a WWII vote next?