The Best Mill Tip You Will Ever Get --WATCH THIS ENTIRE VIDEO--
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I have shared hundreds of insider tips to help make your work easier and better, but this one is pure gold. The entire video incrementally discloses the full scope of the tip. Watch this one all the way through so you don't miss any part of the process. Thanks and stay well.
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Joe please write a book on your tips and tricks
I would buy it
I would also buy.
Excellent idea!
Great idea
@@jody6121 X2!
This is how I’ve squared up blocks for 25 years but you are the first I’ve seen do it on KZhead. You are the man.
Its quick if you have the room for a full profile, but it does give solid reference surfaces.
You are the absolute best teacher....I would say you missed your calling....but obviously you are teaching... Me no less....how do I say thanks.
so I'm in my sixties and decided to get a lathe and mill. If I had my days again I would have started there. It's guys like you that allowed me to learn these skills and I'm very grateful. Your skill level is amazing and such a good teacher.
I started 3 years ago & I’m 63. Tips like these have really made the learning curve less steep🤓
My copper wire just called the Russian mafia. They do not appreciate such productivity improvements, Soviet style was slower, and better for the labor force. Seriously, Joe you are some treasure chest of tricks!
I've done this technique for 30 years . Thanks for showing people that common sense still works .
Excellent!
I knew where you were going when you gripped it on tall parallels. You got me unawares when you put the single short parallel in. But it's simplicity is the key to the elegance. I'm telling you, man. You have the ability to make the complex understandable, and simple. WELL DONE!
Thank you.
Joe, you've done it again! Thanks from another Aussie. I don't have any formal training as a machinist, but who needs it when people like you share their insights and experience!
You're right, "why didn't I think of that." I think you're selling yourself short being happy if this is the only thing we take from your videos as a palm-to-the-forehead foundational technique, but this is definitely one of them. I got more than one pttf ideas: 1) grabbing the material shallow distorts accuracy less, 2) creating the flats & squares right up front, 3) using the one Parallel off the one cut parallel & working from there, 4) reducing burrs by cutting inwards. Last, but not least, "real shops use air." I've been cautioned several times to not use air. I do so, but I've always felt guilty, that using air would force debris into the nooks of my machinery. I've only assuaged my guilt by keeping your videos in the back of my head, knowing you do it. "Time is money," & can't tell you how much money I've wasted on the dumbest of cuts. Watching your videos is like putting money in the bank.
That dead blow mallet you used to tap the part looks like a Snap-On with the interchangeable heads. I have one and I love it!!!!! I almost tapped myself in the forehead with it after watching this!!! I can’t believe I didn’t think of this system!!! Wait a minute, yes I can. This is why I subscribed years ago, you are by FAR the best teacher I have ever had!!!!! Thanks Joe!!! You never fail to “unloosen” my mind from the box!!!! Love it. Cheers 🍻 from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 eh? 😆
Fantastic! Don't understand why nobody else uses this technique. It's so simple and efficient.
Ya got me, Joe! Over 30 years and I've been using wires and BBs all this time. This is a keeper, buddy. Glad you didn't have to unloosen anything this trip.... Woot! Dean
Old timer taught me that over 40 years ago. Works great and saves a ton of time.
I was a toolmaker for 45 yrs before I retired. I never saw this method until now. Wish I had, it does look foolproof. Great Video!!
You must of been bloody useless then.
Glad you enjoyed it
Having never touched a milling machine or a lathe for that matter, till I bought them, I have learned on my own for several years... ... Then.. Joe P comes along... I think I learn more here then anywhere else... At 66, I enjoy these videos very much... Thanks....
O yes, same here. And just because online teachers like Joe, old Tony, Adam, we dare to do things we never would. Tis is a longtime dream comes true. Professionally I was a printer, my hobby is woodworking, now I'm retired. In the woodworking I did miss machining metal so I purchased a used lathe and milling machine. O boy, what is the learning curve steep. Thanks to KZhead it now feels ok, I'm confident I'm doing fine. Keep it coming 👏👏👏👏👏 🇧🇪 Belgium🇧🇪
Superb. The ‘universal’ use of a climb cut is terrific - so simple and so effective. I am not a machinist, and my wife thinks I’m crazy to watch these videos. She may be right, but I really enjoy understanding how things are made. Thank you!
Make her something awesome and she'll change her mind.
you mean i sat through a "that lazy machinist" video only last night pulling my hair out at how long it took him to explain squaring a block and then you drop this today ! that is awesome, i can now forget all that other long winded stuff and store this ! cheers Joe..
I had a boss that wanted me to square up 3k parts doing the 1 side at a time method,totally stupid.I wrote a simple cnc program running it the way you described.I did this a few years ago and he thought I was a genius lol.It's really the best way to do it.
I am not a machinist, just a hobbyist, but I can appreciate what your are saying. Thanks!
Please don’t ever stop making YTs. Thank you for so willingly openly sharing your genius.
Thank you, I will
Thank you Joe! I'll be using this method from now on.
Brilliant technique Joe. Thanks so much for sharing!
Been milling for the past year on a Clausing and man I feel good watching your tips and knowing I've been doing pretty good. THANKS ALOT BUD
Always learn a lot from your videos. In plant maintenance we rarely require such precision but increasing precision will increase life of parts so this knowledge is very valuable to me and my crew.
As soon as I saw you use the tall parallels, I could tell what you were going to do. Like, DUH! BUT it had never occurred to me in what, 40 years! Never too late to learn new tricks.
Excellent technique!! Thanks Joe
I appreciate the tip. I've been doing it the "old" way for 50 years. I doubt I'll change at this point. Yes it is more efficient without a doubt.
Love the straight forward analytic approach on all of your work Joe.
Joe used this technique to machine thousands of plastic parts to square as the axis of the machine defines the squareness and you can not tap down so easy with plastic, simple answer define XYZ without re clamping and totally agree without the climb cut your in the world of burrs! Various machine shops have shown me to dubious mill and vice combinations with cutters I would have junked but you still end up with definitively square finished components and your own square can stay out of harms way locked in your own box. Superb filming and comments passing on gold dust technique.
I've been machining for over 20 years and I find your videos very interesting. And all of them are right on and some great tricks that I wouldn't have known unless I would have watched your video. I tell new machinists all the time to watch your videos very informative. Great job!!
Thank you very much. I appreciate the support.
That's another real valuable lesson! Makes perfect sense. I had noticed on my last mill project the climb mill looked and felt better on the edge cuts. Thx Joe
As soon as I saw you run the perimeter I figured out what you were up to. Excellent time saver! Thanks for sharing.
I have a very poor mill called a mill drill and I tried this and had the best results of anything I’ve tried. Thanks for the demonstration and tip.
Great job!
All your vidéos are encyclopédia for a starter in fine mecanic on machine, thank you so much for all I have learn with you dear professor.👍😉
As soon as I saw that haircut I knew this video would be a winner! Thanks for the great tips!
Joe, I watch a lot of machining videos and yours are definitely the most informative. T O T may be funnier, but yours are pure gold.
I'm a retired machinist and yet I learned a lot from you, thanks
Glad to hear it
Hi Joe, I saw this video some time ago and went back to watch it again today as I needed to square up a block of steel for a part. It worked perfectly. I always try to give credit where it is due. I will reference this video in the next video I publish, which will show the squaring up process. Thanks again for this info and all of the other tips you have spent the time making videos for.
Glad it helped
Excellent...I will remember this and use it next time with my students. Thank you from New Zealand.
Great video! THANKS JOE! I watched it two times and am adding it to my KZhead saved file for future reference. I have a very small home shop and made my living, before retiring, in industrial Electronics. So this info really makes milling more enjoyable as I am definitely a novice.
Nice to see someone who actually knows what there talking about, one of about 10% on you tube
Joe, you're an inspiration. You and a number of others had inspired me to get a little lathe (In my apartment mind you!) And since the start of the pandemic, i've been honing my skills in machining! I've now been saving up for a benchtop milling machine, and I CAN NOT WAIT to get cutting! Cheers.
Outstanding. Be safe.
Thanks Joe taking the time to show this. I am new to using a mill and I found this to be an excellent idea. Tried it and it works for me.
There are thousands of machining videos out there and you still upload new methods. This was a good one.
you clever bastard:) this channel is so underrated!!
Not only is this a much faster method, I'm certain the part you squared will be more accurately done than the other methods using wire, balls, squares, etc. It would be interesting if you put this piece on your surface plate so we can see just how parallel the sides are. I've seen other presenters struggle to get a 3 inch square block of aluminum true to within .002". Thanks for sharing your expertise, acquired via years of experience.
Glad to show them. No point in taking them with me.
Great tip! I (and everyone else who learnt it) will use this for a lifetime! Thanks Joe!
Thanks Joe, just tried this technique.... worked an absolute treat.
Lol I don't know why I've never done this when I saw you set the part in the vise I knew exactly what you were gonna do yet I've never thought to do it that way great tip I will try this this evening 👍👍👍
great tips like always thanks from all us little guys
You're right...I never thought of this approach. Thanks for the information.
Hi Joe, did it today old fashioned way and spent heaps of time on it, but tomorrow I will do way you show it! Thanks for tip it helps when all this is bush bashing experience for me. Cheers and thank you!
Joe, I've.been watching your channel on and off since when you only had a few subs :) I have yet to watch one of your videos and NOT come away learning something that makes what I do as a hobby better or easier!!! Thank you so much for the time you spend making the vids - I know how hard it can be so keep up the great work mate :)
Thanks for hanging in for so long. Its much appreciated.
Amazing! Its so obvious when you explain it! Now i just need a mill.
Boy did I struggle the old way. I'm going to try this. Thank You!!
Don't you guy's just love this guy's ways!! I've watched this one a hundred times Joe,, one of my favorites!
Good on you Joe. I think of all the machinist channels on KZhead i have had more revelations about the smart way to do things from you than from anyone else. In fact i know that is the case... Great teacher, and great machinist which helps. Thanks for the videos
Awesome, thank you!
I second that.
I agree too... Joe has more gaming changing tips per minute of video than anyone else, and gets to the point faster in the process 😎
Great new to machinist me and my 15 year old learning alot
Wow. All the knowledge and a great haircut. Thank you.
Awesome...I never thought about squaring up a block this way. Thanks Joe!
id say this is once again a great learning curve. what stood out is the sequence of cutting starting centres and move outward. if one has a mill but dont use it often id guess it helps for beginners and inbetweeners like me.will surely try it thanx. got nothing to loose when trying it
Its always good to have options and understand them.
Joe, just tried this to square up some stock, why on earth didn't you show me this earlier! :-) Really enjoying the videos and your wisdom, keep up the great work. (Craig, Scotland)
I have used the clime cut for 30 years and it has always produced superior results. Thank you Joe.
I normally avoid videos with click-bait type titles, but I gave this one a chance because Joe is pretty good and it was worth it. Very nice tip
Genius.
Another fantastic demonstration Joe, thanks for sharing buddy! 🤙👌
Hey Ray, Thanks for stopping by. Stay well and well away from the fires.
Always a good machining tip from you, explained simply and clearly.
13 minutes in I know where this is going. Great Idea. Love it Joe. Always fresh.
Great tip but I would add that this technique is only as good as how well you've trammed your machine's head. Don't forget that critical part!
Yes, but you will get a perfectly square part even if the vise isn't indicated true.
@@joepie221 He didn't say vice, he said the head of the machine, and it is critical
30 years a mold maker and never saw anybody do this .If I only knew!
That is truly great. The best way to square a piece of stock I have ever seen. I am going to make a montage of screen shots with notes and hang it next to my mill until I practice it a few times so I will remember it. Bravo!
Joe thanks a million for your videos, as a woodworker with an engineering shop, this is great education.
There's a reason I enjoy your sharing of Knowledge From Experience; leave it as that. I keep looking milling efficiencies and error reductions while I learn (thinking keeps it fun) andthis was a level up from what I've come up with on my own. Good call back to the climb-milling/burr reduction, and thanks for keeping in the air blast in while reducing the volume. Nice video Joe; I enjoy the channel.
I've been doing it this way for my whole career. Except I try to finish the profile and only leave facing for the bottom. But it's really fun to watch someone do it the old school way, cut flip,cut flip ..... . And crap it's not square, start over!
I've been self taught and I just ended up doing this way because I didn't know "better". I didn't realize people actually mount the block multiple times. Sounds like a nightmare! The less I have to fiddle with the vise, the more I can trust the machine to keep everything straight.
Another fantastic pearl of shop wisdom. Joe YOU ROCK! ! !
Great vid! Just sent this to my son who is just now starting an apprenticeship in my shop!
The problem that arises if it's less than a stellar machine is that you're mirroring the squareness of your mill's ways and the tram of the bit. This will absolutely guarantee opposite faces are dead on parallel. But worn ways will hurt squareness and there's no error correction. The traditional method eliminates errors of orthogonality in the axis of the ways of and being slightly off tram. You are using the ways and the tram of the bit as a master reference. With a good machine, that's perfectly fine because the accuracy will approach that of a master square. Be cautious and check important features on a surface plate.
Dude, yes. I tried this method and my machine is just too worn out for it to work for me. When I went to check square and flatness it was not the same as doing it the traditional way.
I hate to bust your bubble but if you use a planer gauge, a roll pin and a tenth dial indicator, your going to find out that the finished block will indeed be all over the place out of square . I made parts for Kodak Cameras that had to be dead nuts square and to do that we ONLY use fly cutters, not end mills . First off you got to tram in the head of the mill dead nuts all the way around then you go at it the way you first described with a roll pin, and you fly cut each side and check with the planner gauge, indicator & roll pin on each side and from that you know witch side is out . Maybe only .0001out on only 1 side but the indicator will find it and show it and you re cut just that side with the fly cutter just enough to clean it up on just that 1 side.
i´m always waiting to watch a new video of you Joe , thank you so much for sharing your infinite knowllege with us!
Just did this for the first time. It's a great technique. I had a really rough bandsawn edge, and it cleaned up in seconds. Thanks for tthe tip! Carl
Hi Joe, I am an old guy that learned to use a lathe and a mill in 1965 in high school. I have worked as a machinist in a variety of jobs over the years. I was a set up man in a large industrial machine shop. I think your tips are awesome and you are incredibly smart for such a young guy. You are probably very close friends with some old guys. I don't understand these people that need to snipe at you for the dumbest reasons. The process you just demonstrated could easily be adapted to any situation whether it would be tool steel or lead. Don't let those disgruntled turds get to you and keep up the good work. Art
I was lucky to always have older experienced machinists who rewarded my curiosity with patience. I learned so much from them. I also saw them let the cocky new engineers who knew everything crash and burn. ( machinist: “Here’s your part “ Punk: “But that’s a bag of chips!?” Machinist: “Hey, you know what you’re doing, I just gave you what you asked for.”) Treat people with respect, value what they have to offer and they will return the favor.
Well that was a basic 7th grade metal shop tip. I was shown that over 40 years ago. Maybe I got lucky. Way faster and better way... Make dovetail jaws for the vice, cut dovetails in the block on two parallel sides. Clamp the block in the dovetails and make the part. Flip part, and shave off the back side. Part is 100% finished. You can cut a block out, all out of square but as soon as you have two dovetails cut...nothing else matters.
I would be appalled if we hired the commenters praising this “breakthrough’” for more than entry level operator $. I assumed every shop in the world did this every day and posting a how to would get ridicule. Get a 5 axis and and this seems like 1940’s tips and tricks. We are not unique, just keeping up. Next lesson: the miracle of using 45 deg drill mills to deburr parts in machine…..doesn’t everyone do it?
this has made doing this so much easier! Thanks Joe
Love experienced people sharing what they know in a concise yet simple approach. Enjoy your channel for providing not only the “How” but, the “Why”!
Knowing the why, makes the how sink in much deeper.
Now I can stop wasting lollipops. Cheers Joe.
How do I give multiple thumbs up??? Thanks Joe!
I'll gladly add my thumb to yours. 50-odd years machining then I see this!
Thanks Joe. I always learn something new watching your videos. Keep them coming!
As soon as you started in, I knew what you were going to do but had never though to do it that way before. "Palm to the forehead", as you put it. Thank you!
Joe where did you learn all this stuff?!!
I gotta stop watching your videos, I've given myself a concussion from slappin my forehead.
Hell yeah that's the way it's done. I'm gonna use this whenever applicable.
I love how eady Joe explains stuff. Saved me hours, and hours of non productive time. Thanks mate
I always believed this was the way to square up a block but was always told NO, have to do it This way...with the squares,wires etc....Sometimes some people cannot accept change or a different way just because....SHowing this to my students!!! College Mechanical Engineering Technology..Mfg Process class! Thanks!
Teach and show those students the 'old' ways because most of the time those ways are the best even in this 'modern' era. Joe cuts to the chase with his approach - good lesson for them. Joe loves this shit!
I also demonstrated even if the setup and block are way out, this approach will still produce a 5 sided good block.
I never do this. I usually square up all 5 side on a Cnc then face the back off...
You Sir, are a great teacher. Thank you
I don't want this thing off camera for a second. Nobody's gonna be able to complain about nothing! Someone still will find something to complain about. Great information as always. Thanks Joe.
You never know, some project manager, 'know it all' may find a reason.
Great tips but what happens when stock is way off square and its a bigger peace of material and lastly tool flex
Joe fantastic.. I was so sure after you did the first 5 sides you were going to flip and do the same again. Did I miss something ?.. is it not an accurate way to do it. Yes you would have to be accurate in the vertical amounts you removed . New to this. Such great content. Hope you got out on the bike this year a little 🙏👍👍
I think the problem there would have been getting the dimensions exactly aligned with the first op. Because you're cutting on all sides you can't use a vice stop, and because you're now removing material from the top section of the sides of the part, you can't easily get an edge finder in there.
Matthew Green I figured the same.. but I swear this man could cut a hair in two with his bare hands 😂🤣
@@drpipe I'm sure he could, but it's nice seeing techniques the rest of us could use :-)
Matthew Green superb engineer 👍
I am posting this video for the third time now. Do you mean something like this? kzhead.info/sun/abhtedqNfWqZjI0/bejne.html
AWESOME!!! Thanks Joe! Have a great weekend!
Thanks for letting us look over your shoulder once again,this one was really worth it,good common sense procedure.