Once a scrappy startup within a buttoned-up institution, Xbox and its longtime leader Phil Spencer are now struggling to keep Xbox on a path gamers can trust and believe in amidst over $75 billion of gigantic acquisitions and unexpected board-level and regulatory scrutiny. Can Xbox's soul be saved? Podcast Unlocked host Ryan McCaffrey discusses that very topic.
That's what happens when making great games is not the priority...
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But pushing game pass was and as revealed by unsealed documents from Activision case Microsoft hoped to hike gamepass to as much $30 once it establishes dominance .
This is what happens when you put your games on PC.
You people don't buy them regardless. Stop it.
Now it's how can we nickel and dime the players..
Phil Spencer has been really quiet since this dropped.
He needs to go. There's been no accountability.
@BajatheChickenMan the decision has nothing to do with him. He's always been just the face of xbox. Silly kid
@@paradox1241 Then they can get a new face if he's so unimportant. They need to clean house at the executive level. Responsibility falls on those who are in charge, silly kid.
@@paradox1241You've believed all of Phil's false hopes and broken promises the past decade haven't you lol
in Phil we do NOT trust.
After you collected all the Stones, half of the people must vanish. This is inevitable.
Fairly common amongst mergers. You don’t need two marketing teams, for example. You can normally consolidate without harming capability.
Ummm okay , that analogy was awesome haha
Where is Phil Spencer? He is the head of xbox, as a leader he can celebrate the victories but also he need to be able to take the heat in the bad times.His silence doesn't show up any leadership.
Satya Nadella (CEO of microsoft) likely has him tied up in his basement its been nigh confirmed that microsoft has kicked the xbox team out of the drivers seat
He's probably handcuffed
Phil is no longer the head of Xbox, he's the CEO of Microsoft Gaming. Sarah Bonds is now the head of Xbox.
@@michaelludlow626 This is the answer.
@@atlien1988She’s in charge of developing the hardware and keeping everything under one cohesive vision that was built by Phil. He’s still in charge of everything and in control of the overall decisions and direction.
Microsoft themselves think they are making smart "corporate" decisions for Xbox when they are completely out of touch with the gaming Industry. If they just put faith in these companies we would be in a better situation
They did put faith in them, and we got Redfall. 😂
Share holders don't give a crap about the future, they just want more money Now.
Or delays upon delays, like ALL these devs these days
@@TheJohhnyE Arkane staffs also wanted Xbox leadership to cancel Redfall and give them something new to work on, and they just left them to just continue to push out a dead project...
@@TheJohhnyE Goes to show faith is useless😂
Step 1...Start a subscription game service. Step 2...Put all your first party games on it to encourage gamers to subscribe. Step 3...Close the studios because gamers played the game on your subscription service instead of buying it.
So it back fired?
At least you've outed yourself for having no idea as to the cause of the closures of these studios.
Yeah this is not it.
@@distortedsoul27 But that is why? What? Why don't you elucidate us then?
tango died when the founder of the studio Shinji mikami leaved the studio with alot of people directly after hifi-rush release. The studio as been an empty shell with no leader since hifi-rush release Arkane austin died when 90% of all veteran developper leaved after prey release and during the developpement of Firefall ( that was way before the purchase of microsoft ) That straight fact that can be easy find with a 5 sec google search.
This whole thing has "You were the CHOSEN ONE!" energy all over it.
They were never the chosen one. A decent sidekick at best but they couldn't even play that role.
Agree with this guy above me. They were NEVER the chosen one… chosen losers maybe.
It was said you would destroy Crash Bandicoot not join him!
Maybe in the 360 Era but no, PlayStation has always been the Chosen one...
@@WitcherGrandMaster no Nintendo is the chosen, Playstation is barely doing any better with their current leadership.
Keep in mind, Ryan is as big of an Xbox fan as they come
yeah that's how you know this whole video is just him being an apologist for Phil Spencer who is a grown man that doesn't need another grown man to speak for him
@@FaZaFurhod except he didn't do that in this video. He talked about how bad it is, and that's my point. If Ryan Xbox McCaffrey says it's bad, then you can believe it's getting bad.
@@FaZaFurhod You must not have watched the video
@@FaZaFurhod pal didnt you even watch the video or just like other fools only a few second cuz you have the same attention span as a fish🤦🏽♂️
@@FaZaFurhod Moron.
They need the people behind the 360 era back. (Not the Kinect ones, but the ones who gave us Gears 1-3, Halo 2,3, Reach, Forza, Orange Box, Mass Effect 1-3.etc.)
"the ones who gave us Gears 1-3, Halo 2,3, Reach, Forza, Orange Box, Mass Effect 1-3.etc." Most of those people were never even at Xbox. Gears 1-3 was Epic. Orange Box was Valve. Mass Effect was EA/BioWare. Xbox isn't successful enough to make those sorts of deals any more and those devs aren't for sale, now even Bungie has gone over to PlayStation.
@@faustianblur1798 yes true. But they released on Xbox first before being ported over to PS3 and PC. Like what happened to 2nd party titles like Final Fantasy, Nioh, Stellar Blade, Silent Hill with the PS4/PS5.
Bro been waiting for 15 years. If you aint sheep idk what you are
Project Gotham Racing
The Xbox team is on a mission.. and it has nothing to do with games
“Why did you close tango studios?” Xbox president: uhhhhh… Have you watched the fallout show😊
What does the show have to do with tango studios
@@reasonjefferey4644 did you seriously just miss the worlds most obvious joke?
What they should've said: "ZeniMax was in a bad spot when we purchased them, to the point of toppling over completely. We did this to tidy up the resources available and focus on the future."
I’d have been like cool so when are we getting a new fallout game
She tried a Phil Spencer and failed... She's got sno snake charm
Big companies buying out studios just needs to stop.
not according to the xbots over on twitter they want ms to buy up square enix capcom sega as well i.o interactive the list goes on. shouldn't never happened in first place also ryan wanted ms to buy up Japanese developer up like square capcom just get get revenge on sony to take games away from playstation. him and destin were big supporter of the buyout.
why its the company thats get bought out own choice
@@illusionsounds it's the CEO's choice to sell, Not the employees. The CEO gets a mountain of cash while the employees get fired.
@@PillsburyNinjaKneadingJustice yes indeed and if he created a company and he can make a butload of money with it why shouldnt he sell it if that is what he wishes
@@illusionsoundsbecause un-employing dozens of employees so you can make a quick buck is immoral.
When Phil said that games don't sell console, you bet there's something wrong with these guys unfortunately
This should’ve been a major red flag that people haven’t talked about enough. Prior to the start of this gen he had an interview with the same Ryan where he said they didn’t lose Xbox One generation due to the quality of their games (keep in mind, he said this the same year PS had exclusives like Nioh 2, FF7R, Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU2, which is better output than the entire XB1 7-year lineup) but other reasons. Now after the Redfall disaster he comes out again saying great games don’t sell consoles and that everyone is locked in due to digital libraries. At the same time Nintendo has their best console ever which launched with 0 backwards compatibility, and both Sony and Nintendo still have anywhere between 40-60% of game sales happening physically (which means people can sell them if they really wanna switch platforms). The guy is just straight up clueless and wouldn’t be able to identify and nurture amazing games if his life depended on it, because he doesn’t believe in great games.
IGN been critical?! What's happening?
Has IGN cut its strings?
Ryan is like a blind fan bro
The day they said they wanna focus on gaming anywhere vs consoles was the day Xbox died for me.
*ended
The thing is - it's the correct choice. Getting into consoles in the first place was a massive blunder for Microsoft. Microsoft's revenue comes primarily from Windows. They inexplicably believed the "PC is dead" nonsense and went into consoles, competing with themselves and neglecting their own platform so badly that Valve was able to set up shop on their lawn and create a monopoly in an OS they don't even control. The Xbox was a mistake. Microsoft should have always focused their game development efforts on PC making it the premiere gaming platform.
And they're just going hope the showcase makes everyone forget
The showcase will blow your mind.
@@CavangoVulgora With what at this point?
@@jorshwaminguez4699half life 3
@@jorshwaminguez4699 Maybe a new controller or something like that
A great showcase could answer some big questions, but will those games actually arrive on schedule?
Kinda mindblowing that Xbox biggest enemy is not Playstation, but Microsoft and Satya Nadella.
Come on, Phil. Quit pokin’ it and give us more Geometry Wars.
REAL
The question is did it even had a soul to begin with.
not really, The horizon of great games just kept moving.
Nope
Which of them actually has a soul? Be it Xbox, PlayStation or Nintendo they’re all in it to make money for their shareholders. Nothing else.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I personally wanted to say this as well that since when did Microsoft have a soul
Phil Spencer should not be in charge he is the death of Xbox
Microsoft still hasn’t released a major, highly reviewed AAA first party game this generation. It’s sad at this point. Halo flopped and was cross gen, no new gears of war, Starfield flopped, that ‘AAAA’ studio The Initiative hasn’t done anything. WTH is going on there?
@@ashokathegreat4534 Sounds likely. They’ve spent what, like $90B on gaming acquisitions? They don’t really have anything new to show for it, just limping along. IDK how any Xbox leadership folks still have their jobs.
Didn't horizon 5 sold extremely well?
@@x0Fang0xnobody really knows anymore. Xbox sales and gamepass numbers are blurred. A game can have “2 million players” but no one knows if it’s gamepass downloads or purchases.
Its simple. Phil Spencer and that whole team don't know what a AAA game is if it bit them on the butt. We are talking yeeeeaaars of gaming failure.
Almost all their first party games aside from Redfall have high aggregate review scores. This is revisionist nonsense
Told you we wouldn't see an Evil Within 3 the moment Xbox bought Bethesda.
Spoiler alert no they can’t please gamer and the suits both have insatiable greed
You should start a business, sell nothing, and see how long you last.
Does anyone remember earlier in the year a GameStop advert listing Gamepass as ‘Microsoft Gamepass’ and not ‘Xbox Gamepass’? It was hastily removed and blamed as a typo, but I’m thinking now maybe it wasn’t a typo….
A bunch of old people who never play games controlling the industry is the real issue.. they are only attached to the $$
it's a business, genius
@@BDafarmer yeah and it’s ruining the industry, genius
Phil has gone quiet....
Xbox can’t seriously take credit for the fallout tv show and all the previous Games as they had nothing to do with their production lol
Where is Phil Spencer? Sure looks like he’s just hiding…
Too busy playing Fallout getting nuked on his camp
You want Donny to come back? I'll give Phil until this Friday to say something
Should’ve never got rid of the invite your friends to watch Netflix feature.
For starters, adding MUCH more retrocompatible games to their retrocompatibility system. Not adding them back to the XBOX store, just allowing people who legally own games (digitally or physically) to continue playing on modern hardware.
Ryan McCaffrey has finally earned my respect as a IGN Host.
Save Tango Gameworks❤️ Evil Within is a MASTERPIECE🏆🙌
Save how? You can't just reverse a studio closure like that. And lots of those people are already looking for new jobs.
That game is a basic RE meets SH. Get over it.
Because it was made the same guy who made the best RE games @@occiferfigpucker4840
Tango was already a sinking ship. Their CEO and at least half of their staff left after Hi-Fi Rush.
@@occiferfigpucker4840yes and it's a masterpiece because of that if you didn't know yet ; )
You either die a hero or see yourself become a villain.
But… they never was the hero never reached number 1 … ever. Their like a rich villain that never wins
@@fabolousjada5070😂🎯💯
@@fabolousjada5070 The 360 generation you could say they won that and they were definitely the innovators or pioneers that generation.
@@Prodigy396 nope they didn’t they came in second place at the end. Close but no they didn’t win
Man, western AAA development is kinda screwed.
Oh yea like Japs do it better. What's that Silent Hill? Still not doing Kojima's idea? Okay then 😂
It's not just Western game studios that share these problems.
@@SuperAngryWalrusthen why isn’t Sony having these problems….
@@jacobtaylor5503 They are. They also laid off developers.
@@SuperAngryWalrusBuying too many studios and cant sustain them thats why thats why Buying Publishers is a a bad idea in the first place creating first party studios from the ground up while maintaining your existing studios and expand them and the rest just making 2nd party and 3rd party games deal is always whats works and Thats what Sony always did.Thats why Sony laid off developers and close down some studios like Sony London isn’t as big as Microsoft laid off and closing down studios.For the past 10 years Microsoft close more first party studios than Sony has.And when Sony buying studios it makes sense like Insomniac,Housemarque and blue point studios.Buying publishers with multiple Ip’s and studios aren’t easy to manage thats why Microsoft and embracer group close many studios
The issue Ryan, is that the very day the ink was dry on the ABK deal. EVERYTHING should have been ready to go directly into Game Pass. Every COD, every Prototype, EVERY game in those studio’s old libraries that wasn’t selling anymore should have went into the service. They even went as far as to turn the old servers back on for many of the old COD games and for what? Subscriptions would have seen a boost from the already 7 Billion a year that they make now.
Would it though? They need to sell new games not get people hooked on old games. XBOX not having much content is an old battle they're still fighting but they have bigger problems now.
@@benjamincurtis1412 That's the thing, it probably wouldn't have. Phil somehow managed to sell his magic beans idea to Nadella but the whole business model of Xbox is preposterous.
gamepass won't save xbox. At this point, gamepass has hit its ceiling. If you haven't bought gamepass yet, you probably never will
The reality is that Gamepass has hit market saturation. The people that don't want to own their games and want to rent them have signed up. Everyone else isn't interested. Microsoft assumed that they'd just keep growing, but vastly overestimated how much the average gamer dislikes subscriptions controlling their entire library.
They shouldn’t have bought Activision just to get back at Sony then, should they?
It looks like the Bethesda/Activison acquisitions is starting to take it toll for even Mircosoft.
Its hard being an xbox fan right now. Well said Ryan.
Hard Disagree. It's the best time. The xbox is a clear better console in general. This smear campaign against Microsoft is rubbish. Gamepass is the best gaming service ever. Phil got nothing to worry about.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418cope harder
@@dcmastermindfirst9418Blind Contrarianism, love to see it
@dauinn8087 Lol what's blind here? I'll let the numbers speak for themselves. Sony simply can't compete with Gamepass alone. That's just a fact son.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 😂
Making too many excuses for Phil here. He's not your friend or a "gamer bro". He's the one who bet the whole future on gamepass which has ended up canabalizing sales and is limiting their ability to fund big game releases due to gamepass subscribers not being enough. Then he decided to spend 80 billion dollars on Activision 🤦🏻♂️. That's on him, there's no excuses. Microsoft are just getting the house in order and in might result in Xbox gaming disappearing.
The higher ups at Microsoft shouldn't have gave him an open check book.
Yeah hard Disagree. Gamepass is blitzing the rest because it's a genius ideas. Spencer did nothing wrong.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418incredible analysis…..
@@robob221 Thankyou
@@dcmastermindfirst9418hes being sarcastic dude 😂
What isn’t spoken about enough on IGN is innovation in games. That’s why Xbox is struggling. People would buy an Xbox if it had the killer apps, and it hasn’t since the 360 days. Developers / publishers chase trends today vs trying to create them 15 years ago. Yes, there are some exceptions but innovation in games has really taken a step back over the last 10 years and the industry is suffering for it.
Can Phil say Sega?
Very well produced video that makes great points and explores the topic from a different perspective. Well done
Reality hit M$. A $70b acquisition coupled with a slowdown across the gaming industry meant it’s time to axe marginal studios
4:57 - 5:44 That’s crazy 😮😮
Genuinely worried about Obsidian Entertainment now. My favorite developer might be next 😢
Microsoft sharpening the axe, who's next?
Well done Ryan for being passionate about putting your views out
Everyone should be looking at amy hood
What soul?
Phil is having the full dark knight experience with now living long enough to become the villain 😂
dude was corpo from the beginning dont be fooled. He just puts on this front of being a "real gamer" and dressing like the old guy who still works at gamestop.
think of it this way, Phil is the Reggie Fils-Aimé of Xbox
He was always a villain. People inexplicably ignored the rampant lies because they hated Mattrick so much and tied Xbox to their personal identity. Phil was a failure from the start.
Even if Xbox leadership isn’t making these decisions, they made ones that led to these. The ABK deal was too big, but Xbox heads probably saw the profit there and how it could prove the viability of the platform to Microsoft heads. Bottom line, Satya said “okay Phil, enough” and since Xbox can’t handle their own house, Microsoft heads have to get involved.
Imagine buying the biggest gaming I.P. in all of gaming. And not knowing how you're going to disrupt it.
Great take on the Xbox issue.
How can you have a rode microphone in front of you, and have audio that bad. Shame on you IGN
lol
Bad microphone?
😂😂😂
Well if the games don't perform.. I'm sorry you have to close .
One of the studios closed was nominated for game of the year and made profit. That's not the metric they are using. It also wouldn't make sense because game pass exists.
@@jesse1086you’re correct on the fact that Tango had a huge hit with their game. However, it’s been said over and over again, Game Pass is NOT sustainable. They are bleeding money with the service model and unless they had an unrealistic number amount of subs, it’s only going to get worse. Doesn’t help that they spent so much money on buying ZeniMax and ABK. They spent way more than they were allowed to, on top of an already no profit service plan and it’s finally crumbling down faster than they can fix it.
@@jesse1086HI FI rush surpassed it's target quota and exceeded expection for its scale. However, it's revenue is to small. Sold only like 300k. Could have sold more if it wasn't for gamepass.
And execs are never held responsible for making the bad decisions that led to the current circumstances, just the ones who actually make the games.
They lost me when they said “NO CURVY WOMEN”
Definitely a red flag.
That code language for latinx and african womens
@@ashokathegreat4534 Huh?
It's Over 😢
It's crazy how this specific industry is where you find an antagonistic relationship between a business making money and a happy customer base.
No joke, this is the best video that IGN has published.
You know what would bean interesting turn of events? When the Xbox showcase happens, Phil steps down and Reggie Fils-Aimé takes his place.
Did we watch the same video? These likely aren’t decisions made by Phil himself but from higher up. Things wouldn’t really change by replacing him
Even if the next CoD game comes to Gamepass, bringing all of its previous CoD titles in with it, people are now angry and mistrustful of the XBox brand. Spencer’s tenure is untenable now. He gaslighted us about Redfall, saying he got nothing but positive feedback from the testers of that game, when we’ve since learned that they begged him not to force them to make it, and then begged him for more time rather than releasing a game that patently wasn’t ready. That’s why half of that team, including the studio’s founders, had all left by the time it released. We already knew he was a liar before this culling of talent. Now, gamers don’t just feel repeated gaslighted and distrusting of Spencer, and his management colleagues, they feel visceral anger at the greed, short-termism and incompetence that his punching a hole through the entire industry. I’m cancelling my Gamepass subscription and sticking with PlayStation for now.
Phil Spencer and the fall of Xbox.
The future of Xbox is sega.
NO-ONE gets that "high" in ANY corporate "ladder" WITHOUT being a soulless sociopath...lol..Phil Spencer has ONE priority, HIS bottom line, let's not forget, dude's JUST as human AS the WORST of us!!
While it IS true that to climp a ladder you must be willing to step on rungs, Phil Spencer's job is to generate profit, regardless of his character.
exactly its all about, being number one tech company in everything rather than being best or innovative in making "best" games instead
8:10... That was a deep cut!
It’s funny cause it’s as if PlayStation was trying to stop the activision acquisition because they knew Xbox would probably close them down.
Isn’t Phil the one that said there should be no more sexy woman in games?
He did?
What a weird thing to say.
That suspense music though
Why did people like Phil anyway? Xbox was going down hill ever since he stepped on the scene. Under his leadership Xbox fans have gotten maybe 3 decent games, if that.
He’s the only CEO from the big 3 who frequently appears and speaks in public, and when he does he wears jeans and a gaming shirt referencing some obscure old IP so people fall for it and think he’s a “true gamer” like one of them and not an old bonehead who barely knows how to hold a controller like Jim Ryan. Except ironically Jim Ryan at least knew what made his console thrive: great games, and tried to make sure they had those. Phil on the other spent his time whining about how the industry isn’t growing and how people are locked in because of digital libraries while Nintendo currently has their most successful console ever despite it having 0 backwards capability. And he was simultaneously chasing a mystical audience of “3bn gamers” who were just a grasp away if only they didn’t need to spend $300-500 on those damn consoles and $60-70 per game. They basically fell for his charm, and still do, as evidenced by this video where people still believe he’s some sort of pro-gamer CEO who now has to fight and internal battle against Microsoft bean counters.
Because he wears cool shirts and plays Fallout 76.... what else do you need from a CEO for a major entertainment brand?
What happened to the cool game Scalebound that Xbox cancelled?
Song also has a chance to turn the tide further
Xbox- “Buy Activision” Also Xbox- “Close 3 studios to account for that and cost 100s their job”
Song at 6:27 ?
One video someone’s microphone sounds as clear as crystals, then another video has a microphone sound like their in a tunnel
Great reporting like always!
Hey Microsoft, thanks for killing so many great game studios and ips. Perfect Dark, Conkers, Banjo, Jet Force Gemini, etc. Thanks a lot.
Halo and Gears haven't been that relevant since 360 era. Even last year's Forza was a buggy mess ! They need the 360 era people back.
Never thought that Phil Spencer, once the savior of Xbox, would end up becoming a villain.
Xbox has been a shell without a soul for 10 years now. Phill did nothing but harm the industry in general since he came to power. MOre intrusive Microtransactions in First party games, most of them releasing unfinished even though they have all the money and time in the world. Collecting way more telemetry from gamers etc.
9:22 quick answer: NO
It’s time for Phil Spencer to go.
Great video. 👏🏻
Downfall of Xbox started with Xbox One when they decided it was an all rounder entertainment device rather than a dedicated games console
11 years later they haven't recovered with that fiasco of presentation; it's simple, Xbox peaked with the 360, Sony peaked with PS4.
Very well written.
Xbox is a shell of its former self. Once the pinnacle of gaming standing tall side by side with PlayStation at the top. Now, decrepit and crawling so far behind the competition. PlayStation is king again with Nintendo killing it in their own little happy world.
Xbox still has that pinnacle. In Gamepass
Bro when have they been the pinnacle they never even been number 1 they were number 2 ONCE 15 years ago bud
@@fabolousjada5070 Gamepass alone puts them above Sony.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418Gamepass is crappy as hell. Just look at the sales of xbox. Can't outsell ps5 despite selling a console that is 300 dollar 😂😂
Xbox hasn’t had a soul since the 360 era
Hasnt*
microsoft has never understood the gaming industry from the moment they launched the first xbox.
Xbox is turn into Sega all over again.
Xbox just can't stop stepping on Lego's.
Profits over people. Pleasing the shareholders is more important than pleasing the gamers. Somehow, they can’t figure out how to do both.
The game industry needs to move in the same direction our country is moving as a whole. One giant company to rule them all and have no more than 7 companies beneath them. Give each president a ring.
Who’s to say those studios closing weren’t all done with the intention of making the company more manageable. If blizzard and activision were so massive and hard to merge with. Maybe they’re taking the steps they believe is right to complete the merge, and get the reigns back from obscurity.
Xbox needs a new ceo and i'm a sony and nintendo fan
Xbox doesn't need a new CEO. Microsoft does as sadly, Xbox is powerless against its parent. Satya tells Xbox to close studios, Xbox does not get to have a choice in the matter.
It was Microsoft, not Xbox that closed those studios. Plus, those studios were going to be closed regardless of if Microsoft owned them. ZeniMax was in that bad a spot that they were looking at collapse due to overstretching their worldwide resources, such as staff and support. So many people aren't looking at the cause, instead are thinking emotionally, and the games media are eating it up for views.
@@distortedsoul27you dont know this buddy
@@distortedsoul27you’re thinking just as emotionally.
@@balfanghellfire then Satya Nadella needs to resign; Steve Ballmer had a better leadership.
What a great video!
great piece!!
Xbox need this showcase to hurry up
It's not like theyre gonna have anything.
Its just going to be gears and cod.
They're not gonna have anything interesting and I've been with Xbox for 14yrs.
Maybe another Fable trailor, with that wierd looking lead character.
@@mig1017 maybe that's the default character? Maybe there will be a character creator? Like BG3.
This IGN this is real journalism 👏
Shoutout to Ryan McCaffery you a real one ☝️
The xbox/gamepass story looks like a typical american tv show. It starts of fine, they found something benefitial, they exploit it, they overdoing it and turn into something horrible, it goes boom. And they are back to where they started. "well that didnt work out. But the important thing is we learned that .."
When the big fish eat the smaller fish we're left with...only 3 fish. Imagine a gaming world without competition when games are only accessible through a subscription. We're getting there.
Fantastic video
Just show a studio doesn’t need to be acquired to make great games. Just make great games and everything will go from there. Passion not greed y’all
Bloodborne,DemonSoul Nigg4 dafuq you talm bout?