What I Learned After 50+ Hours of Only Farming In Manor Lords

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00:00 - Intro
00:16 - Farming Method #1: Manual Farming (Best)
13:23 - Farming Method #2: Automated Farming
25:25 - Example of my farming setup from challenge run
28:23 - Word of caution regarding databases: Rounding Error
28:52 - Farming Speed Database
29:58 - Farming Yields Database
32:50 - Quick Tip: How to get higher fertility percentages

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  • Thanks for all these helpful videos. With families assigned to the farmhouse, can you click “pause” to temporarily send them to the unassigned pool and then when you have enough to harvest, unpause and they all come back? Is that what the little spinning family symbols mean when you have them assigned and hit pause?

    @jayroo71@jayroo7114 күн бұрын
    • I actually missed that, thank you for pointing it out! I'm going to pin this comment.

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • @@Strat-Guides there are so many mechanics to this game. It’s hard to figure it all out. Keep digging Strat. We appreciate all the help with your guides.

      @jayroo71@jayroo7114 күн бұрын
    • @@jayroo71 I'm working on it! Trade post coming next :)

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • This is amazing, I always forget about that button.

      @GoldenAura32@GoldenAura3214 күн бұрын
    • No. The spinning symbol means they are preoccupied in another profession

      @KobraKaK@KobraKaK14 күн бұрын
  • Jesus christ, you do like a doctoral thesis for every game you learn. I admire your work ethic

    @ThePeachgaming@ThePeachgaming14 күн бұрын
    • Lol that made me laugh out loud a bit! I do enjoy this type of work :)

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • That’s Doctor Jesus Christ to you

      @martinr7386@martinr738614 күн бұрын
    • This is how men actually work

      @paulsernine5302@paulsernine530213 күн бұрын
  • Crops 30% mature Manner Lord’s AI: It’s almost harvesting season!

    @kanrakucheese@kanrakucheese14 күн бұрын
    • Lol!

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • Lol exactly this.

      @robqwert2696@robqwert269614 күн бұрын
    • Can't trust those peasants to do anything

      @Mazapine@Mazapine14 күн бұрын
    • Seriously, 100% growth and the land is covered in snow LMAO.

      @coltoncyr2283@coltoncyr228314 күн бұрын
  • I'm glad you talked about how broken the AI is when it comes to working the fields. Everytime harvesting season hits, all my villagers start wandering across the entire region for no reason. It's bugged right now.

    @SamIverson@SamIverson14 күн бұрын
    • I'm telling, I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out why that was happening and how to fix it. Alas, after dozens of hours I couldn't solve it.

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • It is happening to me aswell and I think I got what It is, altough I didnt do proper testing. Everytime a field gets harvested, the workers will try to instantly move the harvested crops to the farm house. Whenever one of the many small fields I had got harvested, every farm house worker from the entre region walked over to try and store the crops, so they would just keep moving back and forth everytime one of the fields got harvested and I would lose 2/3 of all my crops. After some trial and error I made a few huge fields and it reduced the amount of times a field finished getting harvested, so the workers wouldnt wander around as much and got much better harvesting. I got really frustrated when 7 farm houses filled to the brim with workers couldnt finish harvesting half my crops, but now everything gets harvested.

      @pingudinhoextreme6975@pingudinhoextreme697514 күн бұрын
    • Hunters do that as well when you enable the trapping perk. I cannot wait for future patches when my hunters stop walking to the other side of the region for 1 meat while the hunting grounds has 40 prey just waiting for some hunting attention. I've stopped going that route and just use the policy for that reason.

      @OnlineKenji@OnlineKenji14 күн бұрын
    • ​​@@OnlineKenji even better is when my hunters wander into u claimed regions and trap rofl meanwhile I'm sitting at 40/40 animals

      @CubeInspector@CubeInspector14 күн бұрын
    • I have this for my sawpit as well, nobody wants to make planks in my saves

      @alexrobert0@alexrobert014 күн бұрын
  • One important thing to note about removing farm workers during the growing season. Wheat/rye is only processed into grain at the farmhouse so I like to keep one family on it even during the winter. Same idea as moving your berry gatherers into the dye workshop during the winter.

    @Raptorsified@Raptorsified14 күн бұрын
  • I really hope they rework farming soon because with the current game, berries + vegetables + hunting are the clear optimal food source and if you want to get beer, pretty much the best option is to take the tariff-remover perk and just get good enough at trading so you can import the barley you need. Game is still awesome though and building a trade empire is still pretty fun.

    @maxzachry9277@maxzachry927714 күн бұрын
    • You don't even need the tariff remover perk for importing barley, if you have some other exports. I was able to import Wheat and Barley by just exporting warbows, shields, and shoes. One burgage for each export, and I still was net-positive in region wealth.

      @taxag1134@taxag113414 күн бұрын
    • Yeah, then add Apples into the mix and your food is all but sorted.

      @tiestofalljays@tiestofalljays14 күн бұрын
    • *he - it's a single dev that is working on this game. Sufficed to say, it'll take a while for things to change. However, the modding community is already working on many of the issues the game has; there's probably someone working on farming already too.

      @DesertCookie@DesertCookie10 күн бұрын
    • Bro its alpha ? Pre pre release wtf do you want . The game is obv gonna be polished and fans opinion seems to matter to the one dev so I'm sure he will take info from youtubers just like this guy and others to make the game as balanced as possible lets hope for online one day . That would be so sick

      @slavplaysgames@slavplaysgames7 күн бұрын
    • @@DesertCookie he has a small team and a publisher… definitely not 1 guy sitting in an office doing everything lmao

      @kiiwii9718@kiiwii97182 күн бұрын
  • One thing I found out is you can actually plant right after harvest like the AI wants, stuff will survive through the winter and you can harvest even earlier

    @crunkers_@crunkers_14 күн бұрын
    • Yeah that's the intended pattern for farming. Harvest in september, plow and sow in October November.

      @kingsford6540@kingsford654014 күн бұрын
    • But you must have different sorts of wheat. But devs dont know about such fact, they think it all the same…

      @kishirisu1268@kishirisu126814 күн бұрын
    • for real i was pulling my hair out trying to get some good crop yields planting in the spring. apparently they had some GMO freeze resistant wheat back in that time lol

      @taylormccauley860@taylormccauley86014 күн бұрын
    • Emmer is a very winter hardy crop, traditionally sown in September or October and the young shoots can survive very cold temperatures under snow cover. It's of course very rarely cultivated these days, but today's hard red winter wheat (the reference produce for CME wheat futures) is similar in the sense that it's sown in the fall and survives throughout the winter as a seedling. Most grains do this actually, though you do need a soft variety for spring sowing.

      @thinkingVariety@thinkingVariety14 күн бұрын
    • @@kishirisu1268 it is emmer. Which is an old variety of wheat from Europe. I imagine this game represents farming in a rather milder climate than my home in the snowy Canadian prairies. I like to just pretend it’s one of those places that kids get a day of school when there is light snow and temperatures drop below freezing … not like my home where you can see your breath in the fall and your spit freezes before it hits the ground In January.

      @ClanHawkins@ClanHawkins12 күн бұрын
  • Just a note for people watching, this game can be played also by just roleplaying without looking at a single number, enjoy the game as you prefer without feeling wrong

    @alessandrobicocchi9186@alessandrobicocchi918614 күн бұрын
  • I've seen so much manor lord guides that the first video when i open youtube is a manor lord guide. Safe to say I was the most pleased with your videos as they are detailed and precise. Keep up the good work. All hail efficiency!

    @flamepheonix933@flamepheonix93314 күн бұрын
  • It appears farming definitely requires more thought and involvement than I was giving it (my people are always on the verge of starving)

    @Staravora@Staravora14 күн бұрын
    • Hopefully this helps!!

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • Yeah same for me. But sometimes I've got TONS of food, but it's not on the market so my people arent dying but my approval is suffering. Got 6 people on the granary but they're just not fast enough. I thought people in the granary could transport like 10 items with a cart, but I always see them walking without one. Same thing with firewood actually 11 months surplus, but 4 families are cold because it's not getting transported to the market quick enough.

      @dukkiegamer1733@dukkiegamer173314 күн бұрын
    • @@Simon-gv4md I have a smaller town with like 30 families and 5 firewood stalls of which 4 are serviced by the storehouses right next to them. 2 of the stalls are usually empty and 2-3 have less than 2 firewood each. I don't get why they just keep an inventory of 10+ in their stalls if I'm swimming in supply. If they would actually use the market inventory space 1/2 of my storage workers could do their actual work more quickly. This system of market distribution is not very mature yet, like 1/6 of my town is directly managing a huge supply of firewood and people are still cold.

      @flusck@flusck13 күн бұрын
  • I couldn't ask for a better explanation on Farming in the game. Thank you sir.

    @Akabane101@Akabane10113 күн бұрын
  • Its actually insane how much work you put into these videos, but they are much appreciated! I think I'll stick to automated block farming, but even for that there was a lot of great advice, like rotating 2/3 fallow instead of the 1/3 that is normal for 2 crops. Keep up the good work! Your channel is one of the only ones I've found that puts in the effort to gather this type of data in games.

    @theorca3893@theorca389314 күн бұрын
    • Thanks for watching! I'm glad you found something useful here :) I really do hope they make some changes for the automated farming system, because it's much more fun to expand to many towns, but if you have to run farms manually in each, it would kill the fun for me.

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • @@Strat-GuidesI agree, the automation could use a lot of work. But it seems like the dev its quite dedicated so I have high hopes for future updates!

      @theorca3893@theorca389314 күн бұрын
  • "How you do anything is how you do everything". Your channel reminds me of that particular quote. Lucky me finding your channel.

    @danielrziha6381@danielrziha638114 күн бұрын
    • I love that quote! One of my favorites :D I believe in cleaning under the couch where nobody will ever notice because it's a good habit that can spill over into other, more important areas - that quote was what got me on that path

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
  • Really appreciate your looking into farming mate. Comprehensive and well researched. If you find the time, perhaps consider investigating how food is consumed at the market place. We know that it 'teleports' every month but what I noticed in a test I set up is that food seems to be consumed in a certain order. First meat, then berries, bread, and so on. I did it by measuring changes in the amount of food stored every month and also by watching the numbers in the market ticking down. Over 12 months, the only food being consumed was meat, so I think it's unlikely to be RNG..

    @ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock14 күн бұрын
  • No BS, straight to the point. Holimoly, how come I just found you, where have you been all my life!

    @my936586@my93658614 күн бұрын
  • the part that surprised me the most was that i was more excited and happy to see your take on this then i was before. also i can comfortably watch 30 minutes of video from you and not get bored, love your work keep it coming !

    @Kodiac@Kodiac14 күн бұрын
  • Thanks, this was really informative. I was doing a farming run on stream yesterday and was losing my mind trying to figure out why I was getting such bad yields. I think you just showed me exactly why lol. I think I'll probably hold off on farming until it gets some kind of overhaul or patching love. There are so many great options for food that give high yields and don't require so much micromanagement that I don't really see the need (not to mention how infrequently I end up in a region with good fertility).

    @JakeMakesMusic711@JakeMakesMusic71114 күн бұрын
    • Agreed - it's probably not worth it unless you have rich soil. Barley is the biggest need, but it's really only an issue if you're on the hardest difficulty since the pops don't mind not having ale at level 2

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
  • Excellent video Strat, thank you for doing all this research for us :) This is esp. useful as it's post release, so we know all the data is relevant to the current version :)

    @hummingbird9149@hummingbird914914 күн бұрын
  • great video. I applied these strategies to my own gameplay and i found myself more engaged with my city with micromanaging and not automated and it also reassures that the farmers are doing what they should to maximize crop yields.

    @marine4gaming721@marine4gaming72114 күн бұрын
  • Exactly the vid I needed to see to startup my medieval farming sim empire.

    @hawk7381@hawk738114 күн бұрын
  • Excellent video thank-you for all of the work you put into this! It's amazing that you need so much barley compared to the other crops!

    @vocalcynic2953@vocalcynic295314 күн бұрын
  • great stuff, i learned alot from this, i was using huge fields but still not getting the flow of crops going right now ill be able to make changes that will make it work, thank you!!

    @TheNutteloos@TheNutteloos13 күн бұрын
  • What works for me. I think the best one is 3 1.5 morgen fields on the high fertility land per farm house with an oxen. 3 farm houses. 1 Wheat, 1 Barley and 1 Flax. Right now there is no need to fallow for 1 full season. Once harvesting is done. Put the farms into fallow. By next year, your fertility is back to what it was. So i get a stable supply of emmer barley and flax for my region that is enough for it to function every year. The cycle crops is broken because as soon as you harvest they start plowing again and you have to stop them manually and burn the field as the crop will go to winter. Also start with 1 farm house with 3 fields. Until you can fill the whole 8 families. You might get away with 6 each. So its a yearly micro managing for me.

    @isserdigan2835@isserdigan283514 күн бұрын
  • 28:43, the plowing pattern there spooked me lol. Love and appreciate all the work you've been doing putting these videos out Strat!

    @fullsendtictic@fullsendtictic11 күн бұрын
  • Man i really appreciate the effort you put into these guides. Thank you strat

    @I_ML7@I_ML714 күн бұрын
  • Thanks for all the helpful and enjoyable videos you make. Keep up the good work

    @jimbomcgee7498@jimbomcgee749814 күн бұрын
  • Excellent video. thanks for the all the work!

    @0btuse@0btuse14 күн бұрын
  • This is brilliant, thank you for all the hard work!

    @BillysFingers@BillysFingers14 күн бұрын
  • THANK YOU for all your time and effort to put this together. Easily you are the best ML tester and creator (closely followed by Tacticat) on YT. ML needs to have a farming system like Ostriv where you can assign fields/farmhouses/plows/workers and they only take care of their assignments. Can't wait for your next playthrough using ALL the data you've collected.

    @thereal_onelargemammal@thereal_onelargemammal14 күн бұрын
  • You dear Sir are nuts! I would never have the passion to figure these details out! Thank you for that!

    @Ulathar@Ulathar14 күн бұрын
  • Great stuff! Thank you. More on the automation would be great; and/or specifics on small operations like:

    @tdotfun@tdotfun11 күн бұрын
  • Outstanding video breakdown once again. Having someone put in the time to test all this is highly appreciated to avoid stumbling through the arcane sience that is farming in this game. With regard to crop rotation; if you stagger the crop choices in the rotation like how you showed in the video, you actually never have to use fallow, and can expand linen, and bread industires (helpful if trade is allowed) while keeping barley flowing for ale. This is especially effective on rich farmlands, as all yeilds are relatively high.

    @XemawthEvo2@XemawthEvo213 күн бұрын
    • Wait, growing a crop does not prevent the replenisment of the fertility of the other crops?

      @iroh6170@iroh617011 күн бұрын
  • This, my friend, is probably the ultimate farming guide for quite a long time. Thank you, well done!

    @burakbayr1626@burakbayr162614 күн бұрын
  • Excellent stuff Strat, thanks for this! One bug to mention: If you choose to fence fields for grazing, REMOVE THE OX from all farms, or someone will use said ox to take away the planks your builders are bringing for the fence! It's actually quite funny to watch 😂

    @christopher2866@christopher286614 күн бұрын
    • This was bugging the hell out of me, I couldn't figure out why the fence wouldn't complete.

      @Chupogi@Chupogi14 күн бұрын
    • I made the mistake of taking the sheep multiplying bonus as well as the pastures upgrade. I got all excited and fenced up all my fields. It was great for awhile - my sheep were spreading out and helping the fields regain fertility….Then I realized I had 60,000+ Wool (sixty-thousand). The game just tanks to 1 fps every time I get raided (it honestly just freezes, making every raid a 10-15 minute affair). All my storehouses are full, I can’t sell the wool fast enough, and my logistics efficiency is getting wrecked. I will not be choosing the sheep bonus again lol. I have 15 Weavers Workshops….but now I just have a ton of Yarn, 2000+ Sheep, and cannot sell off either stock fast enough. Wish I could just “discard” stock. It’d save me so much headache. Also, having multiple Trading Posts seems to have next to zero effect. All the traders just go to one, even if both are connected to a road in the exact same spot. I think it’s time to discard this save and restart haha.

      @tiestofalljays@tiestofalljays14 күн бұрын
    • I just saw it at Overcharged Egg's gameplay recently and it was hilarious :D

      @americanboy1332@americanboy133212 күн бұрын
  • Bro in my notifications the title cropped perfectly to say, "What i learned after 50+ hours of Only Fa...." I thought farming was going to be fans lol.

    @isimperialist@isimperialist14 күн бұрын
    • Lol only fans edition video coming soon - farm themed with corn and livestock!

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • You need to start threshing the wheat instead of meat my man ;)

      @Denek_23@Denek_2314 күн бұрын
    • @@Strat-Guides Kinky.

      @Schnarchnase@Schnarchnase14 күн бұрын
    • @@Strat-Guides And I wondered where the 2nd sheep came (initially only had one) from when selecting the perk :D But as "Only Fans" is now involved in it and corns are used for unnamed activities, it all makes sense now :D

      @Kessra@Kessra14 күн бұрын
  • Glad to see you put it into a video :) Cheers for the work man!

    @CatChrist@CatChrist14 күн бұрын
  • I found you recently bro and you have been a life saver and eye opener. I voted in your last pole and I’m interested in seeing that video. Please make it happen

    @Yooyop@Yooyop14 күн бұрын
  • It’s great all the hard work you put into the and other videos. Thank you.

    @daveberndt3197@daveberndt319714 күн бұрын
  • That some excellent and detailed work. Thank you.

    @sobzuk@sobzuk14 күн бұрын
  • This video should be sent to the dev. Very valuable info here regarding workers not staying in their limited work area among other things.

    @Somber.Killer@Somber.Killer9 күн бұрын
  • I do a middle ground. I use the Crop Rotation, manually set the "force harvest" as soon a field is ready so i only need very few families for harvesting as they can spend ~june to september on it. In Oktober i add a bunch of families so they acn plough and saw until november. I usually leave one families per farm but mainly for ease of use. That worked great so far for me with my village of ~140 families. But i have to say that i have a rather good spot for farming. The area is ~8 Morgen with ~50-60% Emmer fertillity and ~50% for Barley and Flex I use 4 Farmhouses each with an Ox.

    @iDuelZzz@iDuelZzz12 күн бұрын
  • You make the most informative content. Thank you so much and I appreciate your attention to detail. ❤

    @cannabisscience8969@cannabisscience896914 күн бұрын
  • This is the first of your videos I've seen. Well done! I hope the devs take a look at this video and figure out some fixes. Making medieval farms is way too fun to be bugged. Now off I go into the Strat gaming rabbit hole.

    @dadda9264@dadda926414 күн бұрын
    • Thanks for watching! Lol I hope you enjoy data and analysis :D

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
  • I do what I've learned from school. I build 3 fields for the same type of crop, and i put them on rotation: 1st crop, faul, faul 2nd faul, crop, faul 3rd faul, faul, crop So, you not only rotate on crop but also between fields. You can scale 3-pairs of fields. You do in threes, so 3, 9, 12 etc

    @michup86@michup867 күн бұрын
  • remember, this applies to build 0.7.955 this will not apply forever

    @josefstalin8069@josefstalin806914 күн бұрын
    • thank goodness he says that towards the end of the video, what would we do without you saying it again :)

      @guygalaxy420@guygalaxy42013 күн бұрын
    • @@guygalaxy420 ohp, I didn't finish through the whole thing lol

      @josefstalin8069@josefstalin806912 күн бұрын
  • Appreciate the hard work you put in 👏

    @rosstepher9642@rosstepher964212 күн бұрын
  • So to collect the take-away numbers, and correct me if I'm wrong... 0.65 morgen harvested per month per farming family (with only one relevant harvesting month on auto) 2% fertility per month is consumed while in the growing stage, even if it's done growing 4% fertility is recovered when not growing that crop (either fallow or a different crop) Roughly 6 Wheat per family per year, assuming only bread, and thus 1 morgen will provide for roughly 11 families Roughly 1 Flax per family per year, assuming only linen, and thus 1 morgen will provide for roughly 70 families Roughly 8 Barley per family per year, assuming level 2+* and thus 1 morgen will provide for roughly 9 families

    @TubeTAG@TubeTAG14 күн бұрын
    • Everything looks accurate - just to clarify one thing: 0.65 morgen for automated farming only. If you're handling it manually you can go much bigger since you don't worry about losing everything in October.

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • @@Strat-Guides Updated to make it clear that it's the bounds of what a family can harvest in a single month, and auto only gives you a single month to do the harvest.

      @TubeTAG@TubeTAG14 күн бұрын
  • Ostriv has a great farming set up. In cycle it has 4 slots so you can go for crop,fallow,crop,fallow. Some crops has similar fertility zones so you can choose 2 high fertility for that farm and cycle it. You can put 4 oxes in a farmhouse which is great. Also you need to leave one person in the farmhouse to look after oxes used in the farm. Plus you need to build ox plows not just buy oxes. In general although you still beed to be involved automation still worked pretty good.

    @exosproudmamabear558@exosproudmamabear55814 күн бұрын
  • Love it! thank you man!

    @o_O29866@o_O2986614 күн бұрын
  • That kind-of-equal yield nomatter fertility really smacked me, wasn't expecting it. But now that pasture on fallow perk really makes sense, if feritlity is just "field usage left" so to say. Thank you for this.

    @maddahy@maddahy13 күн бұрын
  • Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to test this and create the video. What was most surprising for me in this video was when you said that fertility had no obvious impact on yields. I clearly had the wrong idea on what Manor lords land fertility actually meant and that it had very little bearing to the real world :)

    @wittynewt610@wittynewt61014 күн бұрын
  • I usually did the inefficient method, a farm with 6 to 8 workers, 3 fields of 2 Morgen each and one oxen. They always manage to get the work done easily and even if one or two workers wander to another field, you still get it done. I have never seen one of the workers farm a field they were not assigned to, but I never really looked for that. My farmers also live right next to the farms, so they will never have to walk far to get to their work. The place where I noticed my citizens wander off to different areas of the map is when they set up market stalls on the furthest away markets for no reason. You can manually re assign them, but I would like to set some workers to "do not run a market stall", because I need them working. I once had many houses without access to fuel and noticed that the charcoal burners had set up shop all across the region and spent more time walking to the market stall than actually making coal. They even chose to make those stalls on the far away market, although there were 3 stalls from a different charcoal place already. This left one market without any stalls for firewood or coal.

    @Nakai_the_Wanderer@Nakai_the_Wanderer14 күн бұрын
    • Try micromanaging so that your store houses and granaries are the people running stalls and NOT the people working the industry, etc.

      @ohleander02@ohleander0214 күн бұрын
    • @@ohleander02 I would have to limit the number of stalls, because an empty spot on the market will be filled quickly. Maybe getting two granaries and two store houses right next to the market instead of one of each could do the trick.

      @Nakai_the_Wanderer@Nakai_the_Wanderer14 күн бұрын
    • @@Nakai_the_Wanderer You want to limit the number of stalls anyway. Or add additional workers to your granaries and store houses. Or add additional of both. Ideally, only granary and store house workers should be running stalls unless there aren't enough workers.

      @ohleander02@ohleander0213 күн бұрын
    • @@Nakai_the_Wanderer You can effect which industries and things run stalls and by building smaller markets and by some micromanagement. You should also control how many stalls there are. 🙂

      @ohleander02@ohleander0213 күн бұрын
  • Thank you very much. This is very helpful and now I know the math behind my constant lack of ale

    @MrNiton_@MrNiton_14 күн бұрын
  • Thanks for going through the tests and sharing the results. The actual impact of fertility being that small is quite surprising, at face value, going from unfertile (red) to fertile (green), you'd expect to double output (~ 25% - 50%). Though we don't know what the percentages actually represent, so eh. The "ox crossing the width" is surprising at first glance, but not so much if you think about it. With every length plowed, the useless width gets smaller, until it reaches 0 after the last plowed length. Since this decrease is linear, the average wasted travel per length plowed is only half the width. Meaning for a square field, only 33% of the total distance traveled is wasted. Still less, but a good bit less than what you immediately see when you watch your ox at the start of plowing. On top of that, it would make sense that the ox is faster when crossing the width, since he's not dragged down by the act of plowing. Meaning the lost time crossing the width might be even less (and this is the kind of detail Greg could have implemented).

    @user-qy6zf6ge4g@user-qy6zf6ge4g14 күн бұрын
  • Thank you so much for explaining. I have like 10 hours in the game, so not much experience, but farming was beyond my understanding. I turned on crop rotation cause on paper is sounds great, but I ended up having 0/0 fields for years and had no idea what even causes this.

    @alliezah@alliezah14 күн бұрын
  • Fascinating and informative. Thank you for sharing. I wonder if you looked at weather settings and considered how this and the actual terrain might have affected your outcomes. Variable weather should give variable growing/harvest/yield results. I am also wondering if terrain factors account for variable fertility across yield zones? Looking forward to more content!

    @russell7995@russell799514 күн бұрын
  • Fantastic work as always! Any live streams / long form / unedited runs coming up? Don't dig too deep into the depts of editing despair . Thanks!

    @HeyItsMax@HeyItsMax14 күн бұрын
    • Yeah I've got a run already prepped and good to go for this weekend! I haven't decided if I'll livestream or offline let's play just yet. It's the campaign I showcased in this video actually - no trade allowed, max difficulty

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
  • Great analysis. Thanks! In regards to the Limited Work area issue; I’m sure that’s a bug (aka feature) that will be patched in a future update. Once it is patched I think AI farming will be a lot more practical.

    @mikeb3553@mikeb355314 күн бұрын
  • thanks, as someone who loves simulations but has no patience to break down data like this, I thank you sir.

    @rgda3rd@rgda3rd9 күн бұрын
  • Great guide, very informative.

    @gnollman@gnollman9 күн бұрын
  • new subscriber, very impressive work. Thank you for your post. Question: does soil fertility affect vegetable gardens?

    @MrMichaelBCurtis@MrMichaelBCurtis14 күн бұрын
  • I am amazed by how much barley the village can eat / drink per year :)) Awesome job - thank you very much for all the hard work you put in! .

    @martinez206045@martinez20604514 күн бұрын
  • In my experience I have been able to verify (in fact I have checked it again before commenting) that the area selection what really selects is a specific field. In fact, if you look closely, it stands out when doing so. And I think it is designed for you to send them to the fields one by one to be able to do perfect micromanagement regarding rains, etc. The rest of the fields will not be attended. You have to change the selection or release it. It is much more convenient than raising and lowering priorities and can be managed with each building separately.

    @ImKombo@ImKombo14 күн бұрын
  • Great vid, yet again. Have you also worked out how/if pasture affects yields?

    @wizlon6757@wizlon675714 күн бұрын
  • Fertility for curtain crops on ground sounds like they completely miss the whole point of crop rotation. Crops rotation was done to manage the fertility of the soil and I think would be a better mechanic than the generic fixed fertility spots common in most games.

    @PyroMancer2k@PyroMancer2k14 күн бұрын
    • I agree, it would be a lot better to have a base fertility per region that isn't as punishing, like low fertility 90% base yield, normal 100% yield and high 110% yield. And then make the challenge to actually manage the farming rotation or use fertilizer. I'm very curious how effective the fence up perk would be for example.

      @flusck@flusck13 күн бұрын
    • Ostriv (look it up, if you don't know the game) does it really nicely with all the values shown in regards to crop rotation and fertility. Highly recommended game, if you just want to builf a thiving community, even though there is no fighting and armies and stuff.

      @TheMjollnir67@TheMjollnir6713 күн бұрын
  • Oh hell yeah! City building meets Mount and Blade, and Strat's got the stats to explain what is actually going on.

    @bombidil3@bombidil313 күн бұрын
  • Outstanding Work Strat! i am doing so many runs.. i hate to get greedy and sloppy following Banished or Life Is Feudal.. or even Farthest Frontier style it doesn't really work with Manor Lords.. mainly due to Early Access Family instead of individuals.. Market Stalls... Population Likeness and more

    @Tiger4ever89@Tiger4ever8914 күн бұрын
  • THIS!!! Thank you for making this with the actual nitty gritty data so we can all see the quirks, bugs and simple stats. The dev seems to want things vague to put off min maxers but resulting in people not understanding a clearly malfunctioning farming system via guesswork. All farming tutorials have been Google top result churning trash articles like ign waffling an intro followed by regurgitating ingame tooltips and pointing out the obvious. So again thank you. Does having wheat followed by flax not drive down fertility? I'm curious what the results are with rye over wheat in the same scenario (drought resistance aside) its mesnt to be easier to farm on worse land so does that translate to higher yields? If so how much better? Also grazing sheep on lands, sheep over lambs? How many per field what benefit it brings and how that scales etc.

    @evulclown@evulclown13 күн бұрын
    • So fertility does not increase yield for any 1 harvest, but it will produce the same yield more frequently. If you start at 60 Fertility and use 24 per year, then you can harvest twice before going to fallow. If you start at 30 fertility, you'll have to go fallow every other year instead. Rye is functionally equivalent to wheat and produces the same yield, but you'll get higher fertility with Rye on bad soil. So basically it's like farming wheat on rich soil, but using Rye on poor soil. Hopefully that makes sense, hard to explain in a comment lol *I need to spend some time testing the sheep enclosure and fertility

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides13 күн бұрын
    • Perfect thanks! Essentially, this blows my mind, fertility is irrelevant... 3 seperate crop patches doing 1 year on 2 off each on the worst soil is identical to the best soil. Only benefit is being able to replant the same patch more but .. crop patches are free and space is plentiful. Wish the dev was more open and the closed beta guys actually tested stuff rather than blind praising. Also I have the solution to the automated running accross the map to harvest game breaking bug! Essentially trapping them in a prison which can be done with houses around it since peasants wont cross a house fence (careful some models have a crack). Workers dont need to sleep and their house eats the food, if you position farmhouses facing out everyone outside can take their stock. Or... the way i preferred which is using a manner wall, not the towers and not the mannor enclosed. You can place the fences entirely seperate and it not bug out. You can then have a second joined fenced section for farmhouses or again their bums poking out. Delete the road once your slaves are in to seal the wall. Ensure no militia peasants, can have houses in there if need be and simply re-add a road for a gate back should you need access for w.e I just wanted a chill middle ages farming and building sim and it suddenly got dark and I've ended up creating some medieval slave forced labour concentration camps 😅😢

      @evulclown@evulclown12 күн бұрын
  • I haven't had so much luck with the ox plowing. I've made squares, but it always seems that just having 8-16 people hit a one 1-2 morgen plot at a time was faster and got me those 1000+ yields much more consistently when using priorities so that they only have one choice at a time seemed to help with the bouncing around from field to field (drove me crazy 😄) The ox was useful for out of season re-plowing after a early harvest when the lot was a small square or rectangular, but a bunch of people still seemed to work best (anecdotally - just a perception. I did not do any controlled testing)

    @OnlineKenji@OnlineKenji14 күн бұрын
    • Yeah the oxen really excel at multiple field farming - they do it at roughly 3x the speed of a single family doing it by hand (ox is 1 person from a family, not the whole family so 3vs1 and still 3x faster). As long as you have more fields than you have oxen to plow, it's a pretty big increase in efficiency but otherwise it can actually slow your overall rate down with the idle pops

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
  • nice videos. just watched you live stream after this one. i never noticed that the spawning point of the mercenary is right above the cost in hiring menu.

    @kaidaniel1346@kaidaniel134614 күн бұрын
  • About your point at 24:08 - you should still use oxen(plowing stations) even in case you're automating the farming, because they not only help with plowing, but also assist with the collection of harvested crops(at least according to the in-game info). (I'm assuming farms without the plowing station upgrade don't use oxen for transporting goods)

    @HristoskoBG@HristoskoBG12 күн бұрын
  • Great video as always

    @AlteredgamingTV@AlteredgamingTV13 күн бұрын
  • WOW I haven't even bought the game yet, but this video is so awesome! Earned another sub :)

    @Esben90@Esben9012 күн бұрын
  • Any game dev should be ecstatic when they see that Strat has latched onto their game. Top tier QA, testing, number crunching, etc.!

    @Nimno74@Nimno7414 күн бұрын
    • I've been trying to get my data in front of the dev actually lol no luck so far.

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • @@Strat-Guides guess we need to make your videos blow up, so he can't miss them.

      @Nimno74@Nimno7413 күн бұрын
  • Experienced the same issues. So I just do a combination of both methods. Pairs of three 0.4-0.6 morgen fields (6-7 in total) with crop rotation AND I set them them to force harvest in July when they reached >95% growth to ensure harvest of all fields before crop change. Have enough people, so I let them stay in the farm house, they also operate market booths … and I am too busy in building other towns… So a manual pre-harvest in July saves m output and minimize the micro management.

    @mr.benchmarkkitchen9806@mr.benchmarkkitchen980610 күн бұрын
    • It's just a shame we even have to micro that. Imagine if we had a drop down for "Harvest Month Start" and "Harvest Month End"? We wouldn't have to deal with all the mess lol. I'm pretty sure this will get fixed in the future as it feels more like a place-holder than a developed system

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides10 күн бұрын
  • Great video this is what I needed. I do have a question tho!? I wanted to make a farmer region and wanted to implement the sheep upgrade to help fertilizing the soil. So the question did you do any testing with sheep and as a follow up do sheep actually increase fertility past the base of the land? If you do thanks for replying in advance!

    @skulledbc@skulledbc14 күн бұрын
  • Great video, thanks for the hard work! I'm going to try this out now too, farming with a worker and an ox. :-) Just one question, how big do you make the individual fields? I think you said in the video that 1 worker can work 0.36 acres?

    @StrategosXenophon@StrategosXenophon15 сағат бұрын
  • Great work and Great video! And this isn't meant to be negative just an observation that your speech patterns sort of line up with a certain spectrum and are very interesting =)

    @bumblewoot@bumblewoot14 күн бұрын
  • The main thing i learnt is that it isnt worth it

    @arthurzwachte5537@arthurzwachte553713 күн бұрын
    • Low yield, fertility tanks. Found it better to built up an industry and import crops as of rn

      @AC-hj9tv@AC-hj9tv10 күн бұрын
  • Very impressive work, respect

    @Denek_23@Denek_2314 күн бұрын
  • Thank you for this clear explanation ! I was doing crops farming manualy and noticed that some of crops was sown at 99% before winter. Then i lost all the plowing and sowing next year ! My question is : did you try to increase the fertility by using sheeps on fallow crops ? What is your feedback about it ?

    @antares4280@antares428014 күн бұрын
  • I just make it a habit to check my farms a couple times in my main town. I found what works best is set it to grow crops in January. They start working when the spring hits It's all planted by March, leave it alone from there. I get 100% harvest by September. Once they are done i turn the fields to fallow. Move onto my next set of fields the next January. It's a bit annoying esp when you are busy doing other things but i end up with large yields.

    @hankrearden5460@hankrearden546014 күн бұрын
  • I've just made a large plot filled with micro squares all on auto crop rotation with each farmhouse having 1 oxen worker , this video was super helpfull

    @IONATRIX@IONATRIX14 күн бұрын
  • 20:40 they walk all over the place because you probably did not manage them to live in a burgage plot nearby the farm. they don't just work.., they go home to burgage plots to get some food and water from time to time... and if your burgage plots are far from their work place, they will walk around like they do here... you can manually assign families, to live as close to their work place as possible and also, have a multiple water wells placed nearby burgage plots, not just a single well for the entire region...

    @batrflajgaming6276@batrflajgaming627612 күн бұрын
    • Watch the video again - I gave specific instructions to build a burgage plot near the farmhouse, make sure there are no workers in the farmhouse, then click on the burgage plot people tab, reassign them to the farmhouse. I think the issue is they roam to get other things like you mentioned - water, church, firewood, etc. Even so, they shouldn't be wandering across the map to gather crops from a farm outside of their designated area that I placed. That's certainly a bug.

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides12 күн бұрын
  • Oof, no wonder most of the CCs I've watched play ML just decide to import the barley once they have trade going. It certainly seems a lot more space and labor efficient to import it and just handle the malt and brewing, assuming you can import it fast enough and afford it. It is interesting to note that the assigned work area doesn't seem to work for the farmers. As for fertility, it's useful to know that it acts more like an HP bar rather than an indicator of yield quality. If you know how much fertility is drained to get a full yield and how quickly it recovers (up to I assume a maximum based on those fertility zones), you can see each year what crops are worth sowing or if it should be left fallow. As a potential candidate for further testing, maybe you could look into the effects of the farming skill that lets sheep pasture on fallow fields? I believe the point of that skill is that the roaming sheep fertilize the fields, increasing fertility recovery, so how might making use of that skill affect how and where you set up fields and farming? Can sheep fertilized fields actually get field fertility to higher than 50%, and can they actually improve the fertility of land that's only a + or even a -?

    @justinsinke2088@justinsinke208814 күн бұрын
  • I'm subscribing to your onlyfarms.

    @jesselauch@jesselauch14 күн бұрын
    • Haha that should totally be a thing

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
  • I don't think you actually gain on workers plowing the field if they don't finish. The oxen do the same plowing animation no matter how much of the field is already done, and when it goes over the plowed area the meter doesn't go up. So basically if a field has been 50% hand plowed, the oxen kicks them off then goes through the same animation and takes the same time regardless. Making that earlier plowing work useless. But I still use a combo (I have multiple smaller fields VS one large one) as once the oxen as moved on, the farmhands can seed behind it on the finished field. So at least then they are being useful together. It's also a safety net, if somehow the oxen gets bugged, it won't stop every field from being hand plowed at least.

    @12tman12@12tman1213 күн бұрын
  • This is weird in my play through I havent had any problems with my automated farms. Also one thing I think you might be wrong about is not adding oxen to automatic farm houses because the bottle neck is harvesting. - the oxen will also help the harvest by being a pack mule for gathering up the harvest in the middle of the field which allows workers to only harvest and lets the oxen carry back the yield to the farm house. This dramatically helps the harvest!

    @Sapnom24@Sapnom2414 күн бұрын
  • Great work there.

    @einarcgulbrandsen7177@einarcgulbrandsen717714 күн бұрын
  • great video mate

    @270Parker@270Parker3 күн бұрын
  • This is excellent! Are you able to do a small one of these for the gardens in the burgage plots?

    @galaxxy09@galaxxy0914 күн бұрын
  • Thank you, i was wondering why farming automation was difficult

    @adama7752@adama775214 күн бұрын
    • Yeah sadly it's mostly broken or poorly implemented

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
  • My last playthrough I ran 0.4 Morgan fields, probably around 20 fields. 3 farms with 20 families. They coped fine on auto but I wasn't aware of the September wipe. This needs sorting. What's the point in auto if the game won't get the job done. Quick fix would to let harvest roll into October. And wipe at November. Or maybe speed plowing, seeding up to allow more time come Sept. Also an adjustable early harvest bar would be good. Then we can choose when a crop is harvested depending on its growth. 15% is way way way to low to start harvest. Also ur fields at 27:15 😱 as RCE would say, the strongest shape! 😂

    @martinholden6214@martinholden621414 күн бұрын
  • thank you for your research, buddy!

    @radityaabimanyu7245@radityaabimanyu724514 күн бұрын
  • I think I have a fix for the villagers wandering around rather than farming. They will need to do tasks at their home residence in between working. So if the families assigned to a given farmhouse live too far away they will spend all their time walking between those locations. To fix this issue build localised houses and you can directly assign those families (through their burgage plot) to the adjacent farmhouses.

    @corbinthorne8009@corbinthorne800912 күн бұрын
  • My workers literally refuse to sow the fields until October this is with all the fields fully plowed from August, it's like they were programed not to start sowing until October started, Idk if it's a bug but it's weird, also found a bug where if you place a field down right as the oxen are arriving back to the farm house to remove the plow equipment after they've just finished all the fields, the new just placed field could sometimes automatically be plowed almost instantly by itself. It's like the game is programed to believe all fields are fully plowed before the plowing equipment can be removed from the Oxen, so if you place a new field right when the equipment is being removed it fills in the new field as it believes all fields should of been completed already.

    @OffMetaProfessor@OffMetaProfessor14 күн бұрын
  • Wow! No wonder why I could never keep up with the ale requirement. I thought wheat is more important and should be in abundance. Thank you for this PHD in farming man.

    @bilalsyed8550@bilalsyed85509 күн бұрын
    • Glad it was helpful!

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides9 күн бұрын
  • So my strat for AI and workers on the field that has worked very reliable so far is : 1.) completely ignore seasons they dont seem to have an impact rn 2.) dont have any farm workers unless its time to harvest 3.) once the crop is fully grown send a ton of workers to your farm houses ( i have three) 4.) Check force harvest on ONE field and put its priority to high. They will now all swarm that field abd work it off. 5.) Rinse and repeat for every field. 6.) After treshin (which u can also force with the priority setting) unassing all workers until its harvesting time again.

    @leohumbarelly861@leohumbarelly86114 күн бұрын
    • Yeah that's basically the manual farming method - I was really hoping to find a good setup for automated but it doesn't work well at scale (it's fine for a couple small farms though)

      @Strat-Guides@Strat-Guides14 күн бұрын
    • @@Strat-Guides Yeah I realized that too after watching the vid.. good work!

      @leohumbarelly861@leohumbarelly86114 күн бұрын
  • You are dealing with a true gamer when spreadsheets get involved - Day9 Great work! 💪

    @dacardi916@dacardi91614 күн бұрын
  • Question: How does rotating a crop affect fertility of the previously yielded crop? For example: if I grow Wheat in Year 1 and I rotate it with Flax in Year 2, how much % fertility is recovered for Wheat? (Technically that’s how crop rotation works irl so it should work in the game too 😂) Add-on question: How does fertility look for each crop if I keep rotating 3 different crops every year viz. Y1 Wheat, Y2 Barley, Y3 Flax on repeat Excellent thesis level videos btw! Liked, commented and subscribed 🎉

    @leothecat8162@leothecat816211 күн бұрын
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