Paris-Roubaix is host to some of the toughest cycling conditions imaginable. One way to make them easier is to use suspension, softening out those blows. The tech has improved, so should the pros think more about their setups? Let's take a look!
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Would you use suspension on the Roubaix cobbles? 🪨
probably
@-alex-3724 We can tell you're a GCN connoisseur! That's an old video 👌 Hope you enjoyed this version too?
Thought the MYB was fastest!
Yes, but it would also depend on the setup. I'd rather have something more akin to an XC bike (so fork and possibly rear rear suspension) - just with much less travel then an XC bike (30-40mm tops) and a very aggressive progression to the spring rate. I have ridden several bikes with seat suspensions (though I haven't tried a stem suspension) and I don't like the constantly changing seat to pedal length (I find that quite annoying). But some suspension, regardless of what it is would be of HUGE benefit on the cobbles.
I live in a country with third world roads. My endurance bike (Titanium Ribble) has a Redshift Stem and a Canyon Grail seatpost. These two items along with 30mm tyres make the ride so much nicer than without. It's a massive difference.
Please no asscam
How long before someone makes a 10 hour remix of jiggle asscam with that techno music.
@@AndrewisTri-tn1uo my name is Giovanni Giorgio...
Right? I was going to call it the 'up butt shot'
Please, never again.
This is how it feels like. Everybody else has to "enjoy" that roadies'-asses-with-padding-view, too.
Finally. We are so far behind that this should be normalised years ago. All bikes need this! On rough ground, some form of suspension is vital. Not to mention tbe massively reduced risk of pinch flats by A) lower dynamic (g) loads into the tyres and B) being able to run the tyres at a slightly firmer pressure.
I put this exact setup on my no suspension mt bike and it TRANSFORMED. So comfy and no loss of speed. Absolute game changer on gravel and all rough roads.
It's worth mentioning that the characteristics of suspension stems depend a lot on their geometric (single pivot point vs parallel) and material (elastomer vs coil) design, with the Redshift's sensitivity and travel changing with the handlebar you use and where you position your hands. The current benchmark for suspension stems seems to be a relatively recent release by the name of Vecnum Freeqence which seems to perform better at absorbing small chatter and which performs the same with all types of handlebars including MTB bars and comfort bars. Other ways to reduce vibrations travelling into the hands include thicker grip tape or grips as well as gloves, or a more compliant bike design in the first place. A lot of carbon bars nowadays are designed to absorb chatter to some degree.
I have used the Redshift 31 degree stem for a couple of years. I live near Lake Chapala in Jalisco, Mexico where the roads are not always smooth. I have hit potholes and did not feel any discomfort in my hands. I am 67 years old and do not want to experience the vibration in my hands. I love the stem. I have thought about the seat post and and would consider in the future if I do more gravel rides.
I have the exact same Redshift seat post and stem on my gravel bike. Huge difference and makes the ride a lot more enjoyable. Best upgrade I did on that bike!
The funny part about using the Redshift seatpost and stem, they're more expensive than the bike I have them installed on 😂
The solution likely offer more comfort and compliance than buying an über expensive frame 🤣
you can always transfer them onto the next bike when you ever upgrade 😁
I have been using this Redshift suspension system for years now and it is really great! I have it in two out of my three bikes; it improves the ride quality by a lot... To the point that bikes without it feel a bit off... It needs round seat post opening in the frame and it is a pity that many new frames do not offer this anymore.
Let's take a moment to appreciate how much Conor has developed as a presenter 👌
We always love shooting with Conor! Such great energy when filming. Any silly challenges we should set him? 👀
Too right. The big man always delivers the goods.
I bought the RS seat post years ago when I herniated a disc in my back. It has made the difference between being able to ride at vs not. $200 is money well spent.
Would have thought gloves were also a must on the cobbles, but neither Conor nor Hank have been wearing them.
It can really split the feelings of the pros. some love the protection of gloves, other don't want the possible rub and blisters caused from gloves. It all comes down to the rider 🙌
Ever since having hand surgery, I have been gloved up both inside and outside
It really depends on the material and fit whether gloves will be beneficial. Similar to a chamois, you don't want padding on your sensitive bits or anything that can compress and form hotspots. It may be less comfortable in the short term, but often it's better to reduce padding if your hands fit your bars/tape well enough.
I, too, have noticed this seems to be a trend now with KZhead presenters and even pros, who clearly not worried about shredded knuckles after a crash.
Surely they're less likely to get blisters from gloves than bare hands rubbing on the bars.
The suspension stem is truly a game-changer, offering excellent compliance without sacrificing anything significant. Personally, I've been relying on it for years, and it has never failed to impress me. As for the seat post, I haven't given it a try yet. It looks a bit unconventional on a bike, but that's more of a subjective feeling than a rational argument against it. On another note, my GT Grade boasts impressive rear wheel travel, thanks to its unique geometry. It's incredible how these design features can enhance the overall riding experience.
I have a GT Grade carbon. It's great. Instead of the weight and complexity of a suspension stem. I got a good price on a Bontrager Carbon drops with gel inserts. I don't feel any need for more. Works on knarly tow paths. Helped by Challenge Getaways that I can run at 25 psi. Less is more.
I’ve had the Redshift stem and seatpost mounted on my gravel bike for a few years and love them. I especially like that a) I can tune them to personal preference or course conditions (I tend to ride softer than the standard settings) and b) I can easily remove them if I use the bike for a smooth surface ride.
Let the riders vote! They're the ones risking life and limb.
How out one of E Skate device?
I have loved these products so much that I have them installed on gravel bikes, fat tire bikes, cargo bikes, and commuter bikes. Another absolute safety game changer are the ArcLight lighted pedals offered by Red Shift. Anything to not end up as an extra hood ornament on the commute into work!
My Specialized bike, a sort of hybrid road/gravel bike, came with Future Shock stem. I added a seatpost suspension, and it’s a great combo. There’s a lot of good gravel out there, but suspension is nice on the roads too, since they’re not always that smooth.
I've ridden bad cobbles and clunky gravel on my roadbike with this stem and seatpost and can confirm it's much more comfortable and significantly faster for the exact reasons you mention Connor. If the road is bumpy enough the last thing you worry about is a change in pedalstroke length!
7:15 real life jiggle physics 😂
Stooooop..xD😂
The obvious best solution for a race like Roubaix is integrated aero suspension in the frame, in the style of the Scott Spark internal suspension. Combined with a similarly integrated linkage fork, you simply lock it out for the road sectors.
Best idea yet , absolutely !!
Had a Roubaix. Love the comfort. Felt like it sucked some energy during hard acceleration. Got hit by a truck, end of bike. Have a Canyon now. When I hit the pedals its a joy.
Thanks Conor and crew...I have the stem , and I love it . Did the seat post travel change your/his pedal stroke at all ? Thanks again !
I’ve had one for a few years and it’s definitely comfortable, but the setback just doesn’t work for me and my fit needs, so I rarely use it. The stem I do use far more often.
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xo Thank you !!
I think the seatpost is a grest idea, i would use that.😃👍
I have a Specialized Roubaix Pro with the stem suspension. I LOVE it. What a difference. I must admit that the wider tires also make a serious difference (30mm compared to my previous 25 mm). I can just imagine with the seat suspension. Cheers
how does it compare to the future shock 3.0?
That is what I have. It is, to my taste, amazing. The roads in my city/ province…,well, they suck. Cobbles are a joke compared to our roads, especially in spring ( thaw season). The Roubaix with the 30 mm tires and the future shock is amazing. Last year, I did a 5 day challenge (5 days @ +-150 km per day) with 2 of my mates. I was the only one with no sore hands, could descend a 20% gradient on one of the pot-holeiest roads I have ever seen at 70kmph and no punctures. My mates got 1 puncture each just in that section ( they suffered 5 in total between them). I was very hesitant to buy the Roubaix ( was looking at an Orbea Orca and Cervelo Caledonia). Oh and bonus, my 1st season with the Roubaix I went from 29.9 kmph average to 31 kmph avg with same avg watts. In short I love my new ride.
@@mauricetremblay1324 good to hear that! I love the future shock very much
First the mics, now those close ups of Connor's undercarriege... I wonder what the next visual innovation will be O_O
I predict the next video will be "How aerodynamic are mankinis?"
What would the difference be with some wider tyres on that Grizl bike compared to suspension? Really enjoying all the videos from the cobbles, Conor👍
4:31 i was not ready for that
Interesting stuff, and a more extensive comparative test including normal UK roads would be great. Albeit sans butt-cam next time :).
Vibration White Finger is a one-way road you don't want to cycle down! The problem is that on a surface like this a bike like that is similar to bringing a knife to a chair fight. I've had a suspension seatpost before - it was telescopic, not cantilevered - and it took the sharp edges off things a bit, but on wonky cobbles like those the only thing that'll do something worthwhile is actual suspension, or having a spongy seat and the sort of tyres where the width is measured in inches.
Would have been nice to get a stem cam to see it working along with the seatpost (didn’t mind that angle was useful/interesting to see how it worked). And yeah, no gloves is silly for at least two reasons…. Considering both products for my gravel bikes, probably start with them stem - redshift have made a reasonable design looks-wise but definitely room for improvement.
I've owned two road bikes with supposed compliance or suspension in the seat post and stem/handle bars. The first was Giant Revolt Advanced gravel bike which did not work well. Too much compliance and not enough dampening from the D-fuse seat post meant I was often bounced off the seat. The D-fuse handle bar were also meant to have some compliance but it wasn't really noticeable. Current bike is a Specialized Roubaix SL8, which works really well. The Future Shock stem is absolutely superb. It takes out all of the road buzz but not have any noticeable impact on the handling or steering. The seat post is not as compliant as the Giant's but doesn't bounce me out of the seat either, so overall I prefer it.
do you think about upgrading the suspension seat for your Roubaix sl8?
On the basis that the reviewers said the Cannondale Carbon Topstone was comfortable with good compliance I bought one. I went for a gravel bike for easier ergonomics. It was impossible, it might be comfortable for a seasoned road bike tester but for a novice it was torture. A new saddle and the Redshift set-up changed the bike completely. Five hours in the saddle is now a pleasant day out. Redshift recommended for older riders.
It could actually change rolling resistance as without suspension bike needs to be lifting the rider to go over a pump. With suspension it can soak it without lifting the rider.
Id likely give both of those a go, if i could find the seat post for my bike (2011 Trek Madone) its more of a post cover/topper. Oddest thing ive seen, honestly. But ive not been road cycling long (4-5 years now). Could definitely give the stem a try. And just may, if they aren't astronomically priced.
I think suspension is key - particularly if riding for fun over outright performance. My bikes are Moultons which combine small wheels with suspension for the road. They were outlawed by the UCI in the 1960’s when they stipulated a minimum wheel size in response to their development. I’m not racing just riding and find that suspension integral to the bike’s fundamental design works for me.
Longest version of RS stem available is 120mm, a lot of riders use longer and some a lot longer - up to 170mm.
What tyres width? 25mm with suspension? V 35mm without suspension, might be a better comparison? That is assuming your on 25mm ? Without knowing the tyre width and pressure that doesn't reveal the full picture?
He’s more than likely on a 30 or a 32. I don’t think any of the presenter bikes have been on smaller than a 28 for a few years now.
@@RyonBeachner only if you want to show suspension stem or seat posts at their best do it on25or28mm tyres ? Or is that me just being cynical?
@@robduncan599 Suspension operates on an order of magnitude different dampening scale to a few mm wheel width, it's not going to make any significant difference. And no one riding a bike on cobbles in 2024 is going to be on a 25mm tyre (unless they're some incredibly sad soul that has to use an old bike).
@@AndrewisTri-tn1uo Maybe, but wouldn't it be very useful to know what tyres and pressure they are using,rather than us having to guess ?
loved the vid O Ginormous Happy Leprechaun!!!
You rode the cobbles gloveless?!? Respect!
My best suspension for cobbles is probably that on my Orbea Laufey, It is Marzocchi z2 140mm, and I managed to tune it to go supersmooth on frosenfootstep trails on the ice that is comparable to cobbles. But the problem is that the fork is to heavy and big to win roadraces.
round 27.2 mm seat tube is an entry ticket to these seatposts, all endurance bikes should have it, I had to change the bike to fit one and this solved all my problems
The suspension stem is a great added compliance without any real disadvantage, I have been using it for years. Havent used the seat post though, it looks a bit out of place on a bike, which is no rational argument at all, just my feeling. Also, my GT Grade has a lot of built-in rear wheel travel thanks to its specific geometry.
Cyclingabout tested the GT grade against a suspension seatpost and the grade actually turned out to be a bit better
@@lamborghiniaccount7035 Do you have the link, please? I wasn't able to find it so far. Thanks
I had a Girvin shock absorber on my Raleigh Apex,in the early 90s.Quite liked it. I think what your calling suspension are just shock absorbers.
It's kind of the opposite. "Shock absorbers" generally refers to the dampers, this system as far as I know just uses elastomers as springs, but don't have dampers.
I’m that old I can remember proflex stems and damped seatposts from the early 90s. Same ideas, they didn’t takeoff then and I doubt they’d takeoff now.
I’ve had the redshift stem on my view for a while now.. have to hold off for my birthday..
I use the stem on my gravel bike and love it! No more pain in my arms and hands.
My bike is a Cannondale with a LEFTY fork, so I don't need a Redshift stem. But I do have one of their regular seatposts, and it's a joy and a delight. It kind of turns my SLATE into a full-suspension machine. Albeit, one with extremely short travel!
Seems like the suspension seat post would result in a constantly changing saddle height on the cobbles. Did you notice this in your cadence and pedaling? Is there a sag just sitting on the saddle that you have to account for when setting your saddle height?
In the video in looks like the seat post was flexing in each down stroke of the pedals and I wonder does it flex when pedalling hard in a smooth surface?
The seatpost looks like a great idea, the stem makes me nervous though, doesn't seem right for the bars to be bouncing around like that
not much bounce, just some vibration dampening from all the reviews I've read. I'm looking at getting this stuff for my touring bike.
Totally love it on my gravel bike. If it came in 140mm, I'd have it on my road bikes too
I have both, great piece of kit!
It doesn't take long before you don't even notice it, except your arms aren't wasted. I've never had a moment where I felt out of control because of the stem after a few thousand miles on gravel.
A Vecnum stem eliminates the rotational component in the bars.
Suspension and wide tires are gonna be like disc brakes: sometimes in the future, all road bikes will have them. Except that, unlike disc brakes, they're always useful.
This comes round every year. Forks, elastomers, special seat posts. It's been by riders using regular kit. Maybe different wheels and tyres and extra bar tape but the best riders use their skills and experience.
wish you also did this on the flat road to see if it makes an impact - positive or negative
Run the Redshift stem on all my bikes now including road...a no brainer,they should be a default on most bikes barring the more elite end perhaps.
Be interesting to try the two components separately on the same bike
I have been using a redshift stem for about a year now. It had to be said it generally takes a bit of fiddling and adjusting to get it absolutely right. Once it is right though what a difference, I am an older rider and suffer from quite bad numbness in my hands with a normal stem, the suspension stem has almost completely eliminated this.
great to hear you have been getting on well with it!
The seatpost looks to be an ideal pothole buster. The roads are just bloody awful.
Remco Evenepoel hit a bump and crashed in Tour of the Basque Country , would a 30mm suspesion fork have saved him? I often hit bumps on dirtroads in the forest with my Cannondale Toptone Lefty 2, and have thought that the suspension might have saved me from going down. What do you other riders think ? Is suspension fork a safety gadget that does save us from chrashing? And about going on the cooblestones, I would of course choose my full-supension gravelbike. I have converted the bike to roadbike this season, got two-chainring gears 30-46 and 11-34 cassette behind.
Thanks Conor, great show. I have to ask, did riding on all those cobbles make you lose any height? You must be the tallest professional cyclist of all time mate.
I rode the 91 amateur Roubaix on a Steele Merckx with Mavic Roubaix rims 2 pairs of gloves low pressures and that’s all. I f I did it again I would use a carbon or titanium frame 33 mil tyres suspension in the head stem and seat. Because unless you have ridden it you have no idea how painful the constant vibrations affect your wrists and ankles . The pros should use suspension of course.
My eyes are burning, did we have to see the worm's eye view of Connor's rear end? Next time give us a warning!! That said, both the seatpost and stem suspension systems are a great idea.
Whit size tyre where the test done on ?
Conor talking about his jiggling "biceps" made my day! ;-) But in earnest it made me think if an above cyclists average muscle in the arms makes a difference when being shaken like this, does a bigger muscle help stabalize or does it hurt even more?
good question. Traditionally the more muscular riders tend to do well on the cobbles, leading to us thinking that a bigger muscle mass probably helps!
More muscle would mean better ability to maintain a slightly lower position with a bent arm, thus more able to use your arms as suspension in conjunction with your core muscles. The hunched over position is somewhere between a plank and a push-up. Core muscles pull you up, arms push you up. If the arms are locked or near-locked because they're weaker, they aren't stabilizing you well. Did just find that riding my new bike with an aggressive position was a lot harder immediately after a deadlift-plank-rows-chestpress fitness session because my arms and back were fatigued, my elbows and hands got cranky with the leaning. That doesn't happen on my commuter bike (non-aggressive, not upright either). Didn't happen much on new bike on days without fitness session prior, either. Very confident bet that more arms/back/shoulders would help, although those cobbles will rattle anyone to some extent.
I want to get a red shift stem after my upcoming bike fit. I can’t get a seatpost as my giant defy has a d shaped post.
‘The D Fuse seat post fits into a round seat tube, using a shim to secure it. Redshift supply a shim that will allow their Shockstop seat post to fit perfectly. This video explains it in detail Redshift Shockstop Seatpost into a D shaped frame - is it possible? kzhead.info/sun/hpecpt6kj4maao0/bejne.html
All Conor fans have been asking for it, and here they got it. The butt shot!🥳🎉
Surely you need to tepeat this on smooth tarmac to see whether the suspension is a disadvantage there.
Interesting idea! For many on smooth surfaces it's probably not needed but for bumpy rides it can make a great difference to comfort 🙌
My thought too, and since the majority of PR is on smooth tarmac, should not suspension performance on tarmac be crucial to the decision?
I have one, makes no difference on smooth surfaces, it only flexes on bumps where the benefits belong
great idea. They say that suspension makes you slower on smooth surfaces, specially the rear suspension, but the front fork suspension seems to not make much of a difference, it'd be a nice experiment 'cos I doubt the front suspension is going to make you slower
@@davidofoakland2363 Alternatively, a suspension system which can be turned on and off could be an option?
The slo motion shots of Connors cake 😂
However, wouldn't the suspension stem change your center of balance and force your body forward if forced down too hard? You can't predict every bump or cobble.
as an old bike messinger I think no, no suspension here, I could manage a day of spring, but that's my behind ... I think every rider should go with preferred feeling on bike 👍
I think for the pros a 30mm fork suspension would be the only option so that the geometry of the bike and the power transfer does not get severely compromised.
Pros are mostly using aero bikes with proprietary components. Even if they wanted they wouldn't be able to run this suspension setup.
Can you imagine driving a car on a dirt road in the 1800's that had no suspension. Yet here we are in 2024 and still talking about it.
GCN should to Canton Avenue , a cobbled steepest street in the USA. Do the dirty dozen race, give somebody a holiday.
Me: [closing the laptop before mum comes in] Mum: Was that Conor's bum I just saw? Me: No, I... wait, how do you know...!?
I started using the Redshift stem a few years ago. I set the elastomers in the mid-range so that there's very little bounce. I don't get any bobbing motion going up steep hills the way you do with suspension forks. There's very little motion on the flats except when you go over a fairly deep hole. So if it's hard to notice, what's the point? I had tried padded gloves and foamy bar tape over the years with very little benefit. What I discovered with the Redshift stem on long rides though was that I almost never get ulnar nerve paresthesias any more. This works whether I'm on smooth or bumpy roads. Removing that road buzz on any surface is amazing. I'd never tour without them now. Try them, you'll like them. Check Cade Media's post as well - kzhead.info/sun/lMtqf6x9q4p3YH0/bejne.html
suspension seat post and stem only save the rider. Bigger, fatter tyres would protect the rider, the bike AND improve handling.
The more I see of these suspension stems, the more my wallet cries because I'm seriously considering getting one onto my gravel bike. Love seeing more of this stuff for our consideration!
Unfortunately most racing bikes have proprietary aero seat post, so this suspension seatpost won't fit.
Wouldn't this type of suspension move your body position to much versus suspension in the frame which keeps you in the same position? Isn't that why there are hundreds of videos on bike fitting importance? Just putting it out there...
Do the same segment on a hard tail and full suspension mtb..
Gloves Connor? D’oh!
Why don't they put the gravel tires on, 40mm tires on a road bike with those suspension items would make things much easier. If the bike has enough tire clearance :)
Road bikes can't fit gravel tires. You need a gravel bike for that.
For recreational riding, a gravel bike with 40mm or larger tires would be great on the cobbles. For racing Paris-Roubaix, it probably wouldn't work because the course has lots of paved sections and 40 mm tires aren't as fast as 28-30mm tires on smooth pavement.
Love the asscam 😂
One of the videographers has been watching too much "orange youtube". 😂😂😂
Do you remember the Ruby rock shox
Oh we remember! Tune to GCN tech this weekend for some more from the Ruby 👀
@@gcn awesome
What saddle is this?
We're lucky to be supported by Sella Italia 🙌 This saddle is the Novus Boost, fits Conor like a dream
Conor's end justifies the means, you could say. I bet Conor does.
The arse-cam shots were an interesting choice 😅
Twenty years or longer ago, there were bikes with suspension forkes for Paris-Roubaix, and... Guess what - the UCI forbid them🤬. Maybe the UCI office sitters should once be forced to ride Paris-Roubaix, on hardtail racing bikes equipped with 23mm tyres and inflated with 125 psi🤣🤣🤣
Based on GCN tyre video, I’d ride a Spec Roubaix with 35mm tyres - comfy on the cobbles and pretty quick on the road too.
I’d say no, the sport doesn’t need even more of an arms race. They already have to have a full complement of time trial bikes, 2 kinds of road bikes, having another set of bikes just for P-R is a bit ridiculous…
I see riding the cobblestone roads like riding an inverted jackhammer.
Fun ... right?
@@gcn As long as your saddle remains intact, otherwise, you might be sodomized by your bike seatpost.
Nice 😅
So the title should have been - “Should pros use suspension again?” Did the UCI ban it?
Nah,keep it traditional with extra bar tape and wider tires,Tom Boonen never used suspension,he didn't need to.Good luck to everyone.💯💪🏻🚴
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You sit in the saddle in a slightly upright position. You should pedal at a slightly flatter angle in the saddle. Maybe then it would go better. Or start where the start is. You'll be there warmed up by then.
Did we really need the undercarriage cam?
Conor Crack Cam. They laughed when you purchased it years ago…who’s laughing now!!
A classic Conor idea 🤣
At over £400 for the pair, it’s probably only pro’s and GCN presenters who can afford them.
Bs without powermeter