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Chris, we need to see a picture of the Chesterfield. You say it’s a Chesterfield, but just give me a picture, and I’ll decide is its a genuine Chesterfield or just a couch…. 👊
Maann... I need to buy a Chesterfield 😢🎉
No chesterfield no respect 😉 … all other sofas ( couch) competitors crumble into the roubaix dust 💀😄
Take a look online..lots of pictures of a Chesterfield sofa 😮
Na im just curious to see Chris's famous Chesterfield
ON GOD
Totally agree about Lotte Kopecki not helping Demi during the TdF. Up to the Tourmalet stage I thought wtf is she doing. Also scratched my head during the Strade Biache.
Apparently they had a deal that whoever reached the top (or bottom) of the Via Santa Caterina first would be unchallenged to the line. Kopecky apparently 'almost' broke the deal by accelerating to the line. I think most people know Kopecky could have won it easy. That said, Vollering has paid her dues, she's been a domestique on the national stage for AVV and AVB and others, so she's toed the line, played the game and now she wants to be paid in kind, now she's the team leader. Anyway makes for a fascinating season ahead, especially after watching Kopecky winning on Jebel Hafeet in the UAE Tour.
Right. I would bet that Demi was often wondering what the hell is going on here during the TdF. Is my team behind me 100% or not. 🤔🦋👍
In the media, the Strade Bianche thing (when Demi won) became a very orchestrated "look at us being besties" type of thing. There is professional courtesy, but I don't there is the chemistry, needed to go that extra mile for the other.
@@jeroenschoondergang5923 It can happen, MdvP and Phillipsen being an example where they complement each other and work willingly for each other on a team, but you're right the body language doesn't lie when it comes to Kopecky and Vollering.
@@bitchoflivingblah I know it happens, I was specifically talking about Vollering and Kopecky.
When management says they made a “good offer” then immediately start making statements about unpredictable market forces you know it’s a low offer.
Exactly. All BS from the team to make the rider look bad. 🤔🦋
If it was a good offer, she would've accepted it. Or enter negotionations at a minimum. Allegedly she didn't even reply, which means it was insultingly low.
Good on you Chris for standing up for women's cycling. Hope Demi's contract pulls all women's contracts up.
Exactly what I was thinking 👊🦋
Game recognize game 👏👏👏
Perhaps it will do what Lemond’s $1 million contract in 1985 did for the men way back then. Even then, if you read about Marianne Martin’s 1984 Tour win, she came back with a &10k debt. No man at the time was doing that!
No BS on this channel: that’s why we love Chris ❤
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It baffles me when team directors or what have you publicly trash their athletes. If you want the top athletes in any discipline, pay top dollar or zip it! Good on you for speaking up on this, Chris
Trashing their athlete while she was in the middle of the race no less
Right. That BS drives me crazy. 👊🦋
SD Works were the best team because they could afford to pay the most , now there are new players with deep pockets and SD looks to be overtaken be other teams and that scares them and when youre scared you say stupid things.
An athlete isn't paid based only on how exceptional they are, how many competitions they win or how hard they work. They get paid based primarily on how much profit they bring to their employer and how much other athletes are willing to work for. Women's sports have a catch-22: they bring less revenue, so they get less media exposure, so they bring less revenue, etc. Paralympic athletes suffer from this to the extreme, but it is not something people talk a lot about.
That was the exciting thing about ABC's Wide World of Sports decades ago, all the sports coverage not seen elsewhere. Same with ESPN in its early days. Interesting to see what's happening now with Caitlin Clark and all the excitement over women's basketball because of the new fans she has brought to the sport. And it is mainstream news and sports coverage that has given her the spotlight which she deserves. And for sure it'd be great to see top women cyclists and events get the media attention which grows their fan base and the sport.
Well, said. When Chris Horner says all women (pro bike racers) are undervalued the key reference shouldn't be the contracts of the men's pro-peleton it should simply be ROI in women's racing. Pro sports are foremost market bound commercial enterprises specialising in entertainment. Their product revolves around athletic performances. The value of those performances, no matter how individually exceptional, is expressed in profit, and the performer's potential ROI is reflected in how much others are willing to invest in (pay) her. There's a reason Taylor Swift is paid orders of magnitude more than the guy busking on the street corner even though that guy may be an equally talented musician. The business of pro-sports is replete with athletes and team owners miscalculating each other's worth. If Vollering is indeed being 'disrespected' then there should be no shortage of other teams willing to pay her--literally--the respect she's due.
@@robbchastain3036 True. But even this year the men's NCAA is all over CBS and basic cable. The women's tournament is largely on "extra fee" channels. Women's cycling is in somewhat the same boat (US). There are a LOT of us who miss Wide World of Sports, and I don't understand why it's never returned. I would think there are a lot of low-visibility sports that would be happy to get a moment in the limelight. And there's that great tagline and video: "The thrill of victory ... and the agony of defeat."
Soudal Quickstep has got the Ineos Illness. Other teams has overtaken Them. In Training methods and Planning. Failed the cowork with Visma, which was much needed! Lefevre is part of the problem.
More an athlete is paid on how much advertising or simply put name recognition a sponsor gets that is connected to that athlete. Very few athletes directly sell merchandise but all athletes can get the sponsors name recognition. Only MJ, Tiger Woods, James and such athletes at their level really sell large amount of merchandise (tickets, clothing, sporting goods, and possibly anything a sponsor would like to sell), ie you see them using it so you buy it. 🤔🦋👊
Demi Vollering was incredible at the TDF Femmes last year. She could win multiple women's grand tours this year.
The people at SD Works seem to think that Kopecky is the world's best rider nowadays.......not Vollering......looks like this will not be the most coherent team anymore...especially if Vollering has some teammates joining her at UAE next year!!!!
It aint about that whom they think is better imo. It is about which is the better commercial deal. Kopecky is big in belgium. No idea how big Vollering is in the netherlands. That stuff matters. A belgium team would always take Boonen over Cancellera. Im not sure where sd worx hail from. But pretty sure the commercial aspect matters
Right. Could be some tension brewing as the season progresses 😬🦋👊🔥
@@koopalibrary Yes, but Belgium is super tiny as far as commercial value is concerned, that's like Tadej Pogacar will ride for some Slovenian team instead of UAE because I am sure everyone in Slovenian love Tadej! Lets see how great Kopecky commerical value will be when she get blown away in every big mountain stage during the 3 GT!
@@mracer8 cycling is mostly big in western europe. It aint as big a sport globally as football for example. It is growing true. But women cycling is smaller still. Belgium has traditionally been one of the countries were cycling is truly popular. With fan clubs, ... . The comparison to Slovenia where cycling admittedly is getting bigger does not hold up. Belgium commercial value in cycling is bigger than you think. Especially if the team is from belgium. I do not know what sd worx sells but if their main market is the benelux. Then Kopecky is an easy selll. Also whilst GC are important. They aint the only thing in cycling. Kopecky is good throughout the year in 1 day races and a couple of stage races. Like van aert and van der poel. Plus getting better at stage races. Then there is track (and the olympics)
SD Works is a Dutch team but the sponsor is Belgian so its not that crazy that Kopecky has more value for the sponsor. Vollering and Kopecky don't get along that well so I assume that the contract negotiations weren't just about money. Vollering will be the no.1 in every other team so thats certainly a big plus when the money the same (or probably much more).
I agree, Chris! L.K. was attacking D.V. and hardly ever working for her. And I was watching a ladys race this year D.V. had a flat, and the team did nothing to help her after she flatted. I want to see her leave also. L.K. rides for herself, not the team. It's all about her. That is why I loved seeing M.Vos beat Lotta K. Twice this year.
Agreed. Demi must had been going crazy wondering what her team was doing exactly. 🤔🦋😬👍
@@ChrisHornerCyclingI said this a few comments higher up... don't forget that Vollering straight up stole Strada Bianche from Kopecki in a sprint finish last year. If they didn't already have bad blood prior to that, they sure as hell did afterwards. There's no love on the team between those two. They need to go their separate ways.
@@danroberts007 how do you know that it was not Kopecky trying to steal Strade Bianche from Vollering and not succeeding? Without being there and hearing their conversations, it's impossible to know what exactly happened from the outside.
@@andrasszabo1570by watching the race?
@@danroberts007 tell me, how different would it have looked if Kopecky "stole" the race from Vollering or the other way around? How did watching the race inform you what was said between riders and management before, during and after the race? Without being in the team, you're either lying or fooling yourself if you say you 100% know what happened.
Thanks for your insight Chris. I know a couple of Dutch ex-pro female riders and all of them told stories about how big the lack of respect is. Demi hasn't given a detailed reaction yet, but she has said that she was amazed about SD Worx's story to the press. It shows how opportunistic cycling teams are. But this situation will come back to bite them in the ass. The Netherlands is probably the only country in the world where women's and men's cycling get similar media attention. That isn't a big surprise when your country has riders like Marianne Vos, Annemiek van Vleuten, Anna van den Breggen en Demi. And therein might lie a problem for SD-Worx; Lotte still has a substantial fanbase in The Netherlands, but this move will make her the villain, even though she probably has no part in the decision making. On the other hand: this transfer might also be a good thing for both Demi and Lotte. I remember reading that Annemiek van Vleuten signed up for Movistar and every cycling fan thought she was crazy. It later turned out to be her best move, as she got the space and the funds to prepare for any race how she wanted. She was free to do these (to other female riders) maniacal training sessions. Annemiek has said that she noticed a similar approach to training in Demi. I am hoping for good times once the dust settles.
Hey, that Chesterfield is obsolete. There are new fiber models with USB charging, electric footrests, composite frame. disc brakes. You should look into it.
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you seem confused on how 'worth' is determined. Vollering can win all she wants, twice as often as Pogacar, but if the team management can't parlay that into larger sponsorship contracts, that means that the market has decided that her wins are not worth as much. As Ronda Rousey replied when she was asked about the apparent unfairness for women's sport contracts, especially given that she was at the time the highest paid fighter in all of MMA, Dana White didn't pair her to be nice to the ladies, he paid her what he did because she sold the most tickets. It's not even team management that sets what the riders are worth, the sponsors do. If the ROI was there, there would be bidding wars for the right to sponsor her and others.
Chris, I really wish the opportunity existed for you to be a team boss or DS on a women’s pro team. I think you could have a much more of a positive effect there than on a men’s team. Most of the current management in men’s cycling seem clueless to how to really manage a team or race. They just like driving the car around fast and yelling into the radio microphone, like that’s really going to do something for a rider. They (riders) all secretly wish the DS would shut their hole.
I noticed that Team SD Worx was to women's cycling as Team Jumbo-Visma was to men's cycling: two very dominant teams which had to lose a main member. I think it's possible that Vollering might win as much as Van Vleuten did.
She was disrespected by her team. It’s like how Alberto Contador was disrespected by Lance Armstrong’s bros when both of them were on Astana.
SD Worx has to many good riders that want to win. Demi should leave to a team that want`s to ride for her.
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Chris is always the guy! His analysis is always to the point. The reason she left is whatever good deal they are saying is not good deal for her. Like Chris said, “good deal” is relative.
Love the coverage of the women's peloton! Would love to see race recaps etc too!
Me too. But there only 24 hours in the day. But I will try occasionally. 😜👊🦋
The auto-generated subtitles say you're talking about pseudo quickstep. Seems appropriate 😅
I love Demi and watching her race. It was also great to watch Kopecky...she's explosive. But I think now they are butting heads and I'm glad Demi is leaving. I think she needs to leave and take 1 or 2 riders with her. This will break up Team SDWorx and allow other teams to compete on the classics. Would love to see Wiebes go with her and if Reusser goes with her we may need to lookout for UAE if that is where she goes. I loved watching the women's TDF last year. It was almost more exciting than the mens because we already knew the TDF was between 2 riders.
Women cyclists are "underpaid". The supply and demand curves for women's cycling are *completely* different from men's cycling. The demand is *way* lower, so the pay is lower. Any worker always tends to be paid in proportion to the value they provide others. Yes, it can be different, some people are paid more and some less than the value they bring others, but their pay always tends towards what they are worth. -An Economist
Not all 4 riders of Soudal you mentioned are on a high salary. In an interview Lefevre stated that Moscon has to prove himself and is on some kind of minimum wage. As for Alaphillipe I guess repeated falls certainly take their toll on the body, and sometimes one never recovers fully.
Agreed, Moscon was a great and unique talent, who'd top 5'd Paris-Roubaix, Lombardia, the Innsbruck WC and the Yorkshire WC. But he's never fulfilled that potential with wins. And apart from a freak result from the 2021 Roubaix, he has been shit for 5 years now on 3 different teams. I don't think Quick Step has much to do with his decline or are paying anything substantial for it.
I agree with you on the subject of women's cycling not getting due recognition and the athletes not being remunerated at the level they are worth. These issues are both historical and numbers driven (i hope the situation improves with the general increase the level of finances coming into the sport). However, you need to consider the wider context before judging on the dynamic between Lotte Kopecky and Demi Vollering. Lotte was already an accomplished rider before joining SDW and i dont think she was brought to work for Demi (Demi only really came into her own last year). I see 2 best riders in the world with different rider profiles, LK as a classics type rider while DV is more of GC - operating on this model would ensure the 2 alpha riders could coexist in the team. I think DV failed to understand this last year at Strade Bianche in her push to be the undisputed team no 1. You don't sprint to deny your team mate (an accomplished rider like LK) and expect her to work for you in the GC.
Hey Chris great content as always. Can you please make a video explaining how Tadej can still be at peak form in the Tour given that he will be riding the Giro and there is only a month in between going to the Tour.
No one can really explain Pogi and company. Those guys are so much better than the rest. 🤔🦋🔥👊
True for Demi V. But there is no need to throw shades at Lotte Kopecky. It's far from accurate to say that she did not help Demi at the Tour de France. She actually did more than what was expected of her, especially at the mountain stage. I remember the comparison with Wout VA. She was often the one blowing up the main group with her tempo.
Thanks, excellent commentary. Do you have any thoughts on why those 4 guys aren't performing as well as they have in the past? Is there a problem with Soudal's training or nutrition programs, was the plan for long term recovery for Julian after his bad crash incomplete or just not correct, are they as a group demoralized by Lefevere's public (or private) criticism of first Sam Bennett then Julian and recently a comment about Yves and Kasper, are their DS's not putting together good race tactics, strategy, motivation, or something else?
I would bet all of the above. You hit every possibility there could be and motivation has to be high on the list. 🤔🦋👍
_The market is crazy._ _I made her a good offer._ Erwin Janssen, SD Worx Team manager One should read in between the lines : I'm not _crazy_ enough to publically say that it is _normal_ for one of the world's best women pro cyclist, if not the best, to be offered an insultingly low valued contract.
Agreed. If the offer were good, Vollering would've accepted it, no? Or at least replied to it? The only situation where you don't reply to a business proposal is if the offer is so low that it's an insult.
Chris, could you do a show on what Americans are probably going to the Olympics' both RR and TT? Thanks, and as always great job on your coverage!
When the dust settles on this I'm glad Demi will be finding a new team. It's nuts to have so many of the top ranked women on one team. I think it will make for better racing if the top riders are spread around through more teams
Something I think would be great for Chris to comment on sometime is the impact the relegation rules have on tactics. My naive understanding is that some teams (especially smaller ones) are more incentivized now to have more riders place high versus one rider placing higher. And I wonder if this impacts some of the “all for the leader” tactics Chris discusses here …
I hope they pay Demi a zillion dollars on another team. She deserves more support and $. As for the rest, they should be watching the Butterfly Effect and stop being Knuckleheads!
Agreed 👊🦋😂🙏
From a competitive standpoint its good that these two are seperated anyway. As a Dutch person from the same area as Demi, I cant really believe a Dutch team is letting a Dutch Tour de France winner go to keep Lotte. With all due respect ofcourse, Lotte is a great champion. Which is why I also cant imagine her getting contract offer much below Demis.
Regarding quickstep (or whatever they are called) I was waiting for you to say what I was feeling, that these 4 amazing riders are not performing up to their level because they are disgruntled by what management has done to them the last few years. They tried to trade them off to Jumbo in the offseason and the comments against riders like Julian about partying too much, etc. It has been a shit show and Patrick Lefebs disrespect has finally caught up to him. This feeling permeates the team and they will not even podium at the tour this year.
That doesn't make any sense. They already didn't perform that well in the last 3 spring seasons. And that can't just be due to management treating them badly, they literally (for Alaphilippe and Agreen) got one of the biggest salary deals the team ever did, something that was regretted by the management when performances went down so much. Same for the "trade" thing, that was literally a few months back while the spring classics riders haven't been performing for 3 seasons. This also doesn't make any sense in that it undermines their future value. Especially now in a contract year they'd do everything to perform well. And despite some few hiccups, these riders have been pretty unanimous that they like riding for the team and wanted to stay (at that moment). Also of it was such a teamwide problem, this would also impact riders outside the spring classics, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
@@MDP1702 ok.
The Quick Step riders didn't just independently decline and are underperforming for no specific reason. Moscon has been shit way before he was signed, BTW. In most sports the people with the most added worth are the coaches. Quick Step stopped being an elite team after they'd lost José Ibarguren at the end of 2021 IIRC. Coincidence?
Right… Ko didn’t look like she was helping Demi or at times even acting like a teammate… I remember thinking there’s an issue there…. I hope Demi does leave but more so, gets a contract worthy of a TdF winner… 🍻
Great point on the SD communication Chris. My sense is that these guys are just frustrated. Over the last ten years they have dominated women’s cycling, and they could basically decide and execute whatever they wanted. Partly because of smart management that was ahead of its time in the women’s peloton, partly because of the biggest budget. I think the frustration might also be so big because they realize that women’s cycling landscape is drastically changing. Big men’s teams like UAE, Trek, Visma and Movistar and a big brand like Canyon are taking women’s cycling more and more seriously, and they have the money, know how and facilities to dominate in the future. Losing Vollering will probably the first of many dominoes that will not fall their way in the coming ten years.
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Very sincere video, no hiding behind curtains. Congratulations! I am not a fan of Chris Horner at all, but this video is top-notch ❤
As always, thank you for your insight and thoughts.
Preach! This! More of this please! I love it!
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Your insights are very interesting. sure give a different slant on the public discourse. Thank you.
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I don't have to be told how much SD Worx has offered to decide whether it was a good deal. They only thing that matters is that Vollering and her management allegedly didn't even reply. Which means that it was a good deal for SD Worx, for Vollering, not so much. Which is BS because Vollering is the best rider in the women's peloton IMO. She has won the Tour, was the best rider in the Vuelta, won the Ardennes triple, Strade Bianche, Burgos, Romandie, etc. just last year! She was so dominant that she could gift Reusser two WT stage races (Itzulia, Suisse) and still ran away with the UCI rankings. If SD Worx want to continue to dominate women's racing, why didn't they try to keep her a little more and made an offer that would've been worth a reply?
i think its more worrying that they dont see what you say thats the problem, namely that they under perform. unless ofcourse he does know that but he isnt willing to tell it in the interview. it feels to me that they have accepted that they wont come back to their old form and this is the level they will stay at and are happy with.
He knows that they are underperforming he just didn’t want to say it. 🤔🦋👍
Well said!!! 👏👏👏👏
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Only way to improve women’s cycling and thereafter the contacts is to cover it and give the public the opportunity to watch it. The sponsors want exposure and if they get this they will improve the contacts. The only coverage of female cycling I saw last season, and it wasn’t much, was on this exceptional channel. Unfortunately our host only has so much time and has to spend it on what is popular and that’s the men’s big races. Maybe Chris could get Garrett to do the women’s season as part of his lengthy apprenticeship for us.
SD Worx is a Dutch payroll and HR-company with most of its business in The Netherlands and Belgium, so that is where their cashflow is coming from. Coverage of women's cycling is very good in The Netherlands and getting better in Belgium (probably due to Kopecky's success). So if those bases are covered, there is room for bigger salaries. Cycling is a big sport over here (The Netherlands) and it is a religion in Belgium. In places like the US it is a sidenote overshadowed with sports with sticks and balls and oblong things called a 'football'. The US isn't a big concern for most sponsors in cycling at the moment.
Seemed like if the race involved any serious climbing Vollering was going to win. Mostly power, Kopecky. And Alaphillipe hasn't looked strong since that nasty crash at Strada Bianchi last year. Was he injured even though he got up and finished the race?
It was the crash at LBL that’s really hurt him. Strade was another hit though. 🤔🦋😬
@@ChrisHornerCyclinghe did suffer some unfortunate hits in big races. Word in peloton seemed to be: if you want to get rid of Alaphilippe in a race, just make him nervous.
Right on Chris, great analysis, I totally agree especially with Demi not getting respect!!!!!
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Spot on analysis. Hornet tearing it up. Now gear up and out to the back forty.
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Incredibly bad team management. On a Dutch news website Vollering is quoted being "a little bit surprised by the team's statement". From which one might conclude that Vollering might still have wanted to work something out (which is not exactly impossible, what if Specialized decided to match the difference - as it has a track record of paying for important sponsored riders to continue riding their bikes, e.g. Sagan and Cavendish) and not wanting all of this drama out in the open. The season has barely started and SD Worx has already antagonized one of their star riders, who might just disregard all team orders from now on A. to display and increase her market value even more and B. out of pure spite... SD Worx in possible disarray and their stars in outright competition might make for some interesting races (for the neutral cycling fan)...
Agree Chris. As soon I heard this story I was awaiting this video.
Spitting facts about Vollering and Kopecky. 👍
I have to admit that I don't follow women's cycling, not because I'm disinterested or anything but because following men's cycling is so time-consuming, I want to support the women but highlights are all i can manage
I mean SD Worx want to build a team around Lotte Kopecky probably. Most of the times they Lotte attacks Demi ao yeah some tensions there. May be its better for Demi to leave the team.May be UAE can sign her up or Trek which can strengthen their climbing squad
You mean the "Tour in France", right? It is just a week race like so many others! Nothing to do with The Tour de France!
A couple of years back "the wolfpack" would be the absolute dominant team in a race like the Tour de Flandres or Roubaix......what happened at this team...its not like these guys are over the hill age wise......
It's hard to be a GC team with Remco and a classics team at the same time. I think if Remco won the Giro and had a good Vuelta last year nobody would say Quick-Step is slipping. 🦋🛋️
@@starkparker16 Hmm...like I said....Asgreen, Alaphillippe (potentially) , Lampaert are guys that ruled in races like Flanders.......they don't anymore....and that raises questions...especially in Belgium where a win in Flanders or Roubaix is worth more than a Vuelta......
Patrick is asking the exact same question 🤔🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling I know...and he is right considering their huge contracts😀
DV was incredible in that race and has TALENT extrordinaire!
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SDWorx apparently made Vollering an improved offer for a new contract, but it was clearly a money issue on both sides. The big money from the Emirates - according to some media she could earn 1 million euros per year - cannot be competed with, especially since SDWorx had just given the current world champion Kopecky an improved contract, and the financial reserves are not being inexhaustible with a team from the Low Countries, especially when you see who is still on the roster (Wiebes,...) and needs to be payed. What is striking from SDWorx's communication is that they actually said that Vollering's management did not even have the courtesy to respond to or refuse the offer made. Deafening silence. Which, if true, basically tells me she already signed elsewhere for a lot more money and knew SDWorx could never match that. But not even responding to a formal offer shows a lack of class, at least from Demi Vollering's management. And Chris, overhere it is not considered to be kosher to mention in the media the amounts offered during contract negotiations. That may be an American thing, but it is certainly not the Dutch-Belgian culture where such matters are considered private. If Chris Horner as manager of a Belgian or Dutch team would do that he would be crucified by the media. You also NEVER hear a Patrick Lefevre mention exactly what amount he pays or offered his riders. That's up to the individual rider to decided whteher he or she wants to share that.
Patrick talks more about money than any other one out there. But yes he always makes himself look good when he says it. 😂🦋
@@ChrisHornerCycling But he never mentions what the amount of € is he's actually paying each individual of his riders though.
@frederikdewaele 100% correct! It’s an American thing/way of thinking from the “chesterfield”.
Great discussion
Marlen Reusser might join Vollering.
I would bet someone leaves with her now or later when their contract expires. 🤔🦋👍
You make some great points here, Chris Horner.
Just my own opinion. I think Soudal Quickstep is slowly transitioning into a GC team, with the addition of Landa.. They're not underpower... They're just unmotivated by their team Manager Lefevre.. Starting with Julianme.. But other former Quickstep riders, like nikki said; Lefevre has his own way of motivating his riders..
Private companies don't need to share their finances with the public and shouldn't, in my opinion. I don't want my pay published.
While I enjoy Chris’ post, this is the best I’ve seen. Thank you for the info Chris.
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Good video! @2:56 I wonder Chris, what is the real value of womens cycling contracts? I mean in mometary terms, what do you think it should be and who decides it? To me it's a similar remark as saying you offered someone a good deal without saying how much.
While "good deal" is obviously not good deal, i dont think woman cyclists can be compared to mens cyclists in pay. Basically men cycling carries women cycling. Men races get much more viewers which is at the end ultimate argument for someones worth in sport. That is the reason why football stars are paid in hundreds of millions while cyclists are paid few millions (top stars). That doesnt mean pogacar is not top tier sportsman at the level of messi for example. And i dont think men cyclists carrying woman cycling is bad, its actually good cause woman cycling has head start and can progress much faster than men could. Its just that woman cycling is still very much in infancy and needs time to progress, it didnt have time and money to attract top tier girls to the sport, at the end its about money, bigger the pay, more girls will train and try to turn pro. I would gladly hear feedback from people and you Chris, if my reasoning here is on point or iam missing something.
While this might be true globally, locally it certainly isn't. In the Netherlands women's cycling is as big as men's cycling is, in views and coverage. Belgium is fast getting to similar level. SD Worx is a Dutch company, like Jumbo is. They aren't banks with aspirations to conquer the world; they are an HR-/payroll company and a supermarket. Their main concern is making money in The Netherlands and Belgium. The base for equal pay is there, especially as athletes like Van Vleuten, Vos and other female (ex-)riders get more coverage outside cycling races than their male colleagues do
a)Vollering should take a hike.....b)A team which forsakes it's rank & file in one year (Tractor, Cavagna, Senechal, Bagioli, Steimle, Vernon, Morkov, Jacobson,....) can't have the same strength
B.) is wrong. If you have four 100% on form riders still riding at their highest level in your team. It would be impossible not to win, if one is called Julian. 😂👊🦋🔥🔥🔥🔥
Mr. Chris you are GREAT THANK YOU FOR SAYING THE REAL DEAL … I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL AND YOU …. YOU ARE SO CLEAR!!1
Thanks for the comment. 👊🦋🙏
Chris love your analysis, just want to point out that Moscon at Quickstep is pretty much on a minimum salary
Yep. That’s what Patrick had said when he said him but you know Patrick is still expecting something above that value to appear or he would have signed a young Belgian kid. 🤔🦋👊
SD Worx perhaps believes Kopecky offers volume of victories whilst Vollering would start as favourite for le tour. An error may be Vollering can find ways (she’s amazing) to beat Kopecky outside the Grand Tours as well. The women’s Pro tour is establishing the Grand Tours still and the some of the big classics (Roubaix). Personally Vollering leaving is good for the sport as it puts her against SD Worx with exceptional backing. Five years from now the women’s world tours landscape will be very different. Vollering will be on a great team, and hopefully well paid so let’s enjoy the rivalry!
Chris should be involved in rider contract negotiations because, hey, it ain't a good deal 'til Chris says it's a good deal. 😀
Including your wife the lawyer 😅.
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Value of any sports is based on the value it generates. In all that women cycling pay gap discussion, I would really like to see the views and income women cycling generates.
Hi Cris, I’ve been enjoying to your commentary on races for years. But want happened at NBC? Without you I found it hard listening to last year’s Tour comments. They need to back.
Correction. They need you back!
SdWorkx was very dominant last year and probably this year as well, Demi leaving is going to be beneficial for the sport.
I think If Vismas tactics are spot on for Jorge, they could be there at the end. They need to wear down MVDP and force his team to do all the work and make sure they don't let him get away.
Yes. Kind of. Visma will need to be spot on as you said slayer but they will need MVDP and his team also to do something wrong in order for their riders to win. The strongest rider in the race (MVDP as of now;) assuming his team is decent at least compared to the other teams in the race always has to do something wrong in order for another team to win. Unless multiple teams work together that is, thats one way the best rider can lose often. 🤔👊🦋🔥
Let the ladies have the money, but make them ride the FULL 21 stages of Le Tour de France!
And remember, no matter how many times your tv commentator calls it a Grand Tour, it’s not a GT unless it’s three weeks. 😜🦋👊👊
Right as usual. Yep, if you can't talk facts, just don't talk at all, we don't like being BS'ed..
is quick step moving to a tour team and less a spring classics team?
Not exactly but you are not far off either. They are paying for enough good classic riders but those riders have had a drop in form since so it makes the team look like they are going only to GC riders, plus one good sprinter in Tim. 🤔🦋👊
This probably happens more often and more disparity in women's cycling. It does happen to many of the new men's UCI newcomers also.
1 million as a female cyclist is a ridicoulus good deal no matter who you are. Male and female racing is not at all close in the money it brings in. TDF male version is the 2nd highest viewership of any sport event beating the superbowl several times over. The tour de femme has about 2-3% of the viewers of the male version and the best paid athletes are 4-6 million in the male version.
That's watching things through a ridiculously ASO-tinted glass. ASO sells that the number of people who theoretically could watch the Tour all actually do, then multiply that number by 21 (as if each and every stage was watched by a completely new set of people), then double it because the start of the stages is broadcast on France 2 and the end is on TV1. Consequently ASO claims that the Tour is watched by 800 million people 🤣 If the Tour was watched by so many people, how come the money the riders and teams earn compared to other, supposedly less popular sports is a joke? How come the Tour de France winner earns less than the snooker world champion, with a whole lot more expenses on top? How come the amount of views cycling gets on the internet - where ASO can't cheat it - is tiny? Most watched highlights of the 2023 Tour: 383k Views on this year's Super Bowl: 10,6 million Views on the last World Cup final: 22 million I can't believe how it's not obvious that cycling is a niche sport, even in the traditional countries like France and Italy, and it's almost completely unknown outside of Europe apart from tiny pockets like USA, Colombia or Australia.
@@andrasszabo1570It is broken up in TV hours watched and only thing beating it is world cup in football. Its far more than 800 million more like close to 3 billion hours watched. The reason it isnt payed more is really a rudiment of the sport taken off recently in a number of countries. Sponsorships for tdf is way underpriced it will take time to adjust. Cycling is about the only sport where viewers at the event dont pay anything. And it will never work if they would unless its going on in a circuit. It might not be as popular in your country, but its taken off in all of europe, Russia, the middle east, Africa some parts of south america, fairly popular in north america also. Asia is probably the only part of the world where it hasnt taken off. But some of the numbers you put out are very weird. The world cup final is watched by over a billion people actually 1,5 to be exact.And superbowl final is watched by more than 100 million you give them way too low views where do you get those numbers from, they seem completely off. I can tell you personally in my country Almost every household watches at least the last 20-40 minutes of a tdf stage especially the mountain stages or the TTs any stage with significance to the GC. Or at least sees it in highlights in a program after the race. It is another matter with all other cycling races they are not at all as popular. TDF is the event.
That Mercury jersey was a great design.
This is total nonsense. It’s a free market, she get the market rate. Whether that is good or bad is purely subjective.
Hey Chris, I'm sitting on the chestfield here wondering why you don't cover women's cycling more?
Same reason why Demi is not paid like Podgacar. He'll do what drives eyeballs. Same as the teams. Its not a men/women thing. Its just business. Less people is interested in women cycling, including, if not especially, women themselves.
Amen to all of that, Chris
Absolutely, they mostly favor Lotte, sadly Demi mostly gets the short end of the stick.
Pro sport is entertainment and riders are paid on that basis, not how good they art. Just like actors 10:21
Lidl Trek is the new Wolf Pack.
Maybe Lidl Trek and Visma as the Wolf Den. 😀
That’s about right. Not the best but working very well together. 👊🦋
You didn't give a number Chris. What's a good contract number for the best female cyclist?
Jansen has thrown Demi under the bus by the “good offer” statement.
Maybe the four Soudal quickstep riders have their best form. But their best form is not good enough compared to the Galactico's
Does women’s cycling have the same draw as men’s cycling? $$
Quick-Step will be realeased when this season is over and the contract of all 4 come to an end. What I don't understand why the contracts get longer and longer as we know how fast it can go until a rider is not competitive anymore. Also this youngsters. Cian got a 4 years contract and hasn't won a single race or stage yet.
At this moment I wouldn’t think so. 🤔🦋
My conclusion, with signing Remco, the whole team got down the drain. Quick-Step is a classic team, not a GC team. He (Patrick Lefevre) betrayed his own team-DNA. A GC-team is totally different then a classics team.
Loved the riding of Annemiek van Vleuten, can’t watch Vollering, always wining.
So … talk about the Amstel Gold Race now.
I like how Chris is doing his best not to get cancelled. Woman just don't make nearly the amount of men for sponsors and are currently (not historically) heavily overpaid.
There are sport where women drive as much, if not more revenue as men. US soccer womens vs mens for a few years. There are plenty of occupation where women makes more than men, like modelling, or being some gossip celebrity like the Kardashian where there's no male equivilent. Money talks. There's no equality. If there is ask the women to watch their own sport.
Off topic. Soooo, no one is mentioning Peter Sagan has had TWO heart surgeries RECENTLY?
Agree 100% on Demi!
Quickstep are still going down the Ketone path, other teams have been smashing carbs for the last couple of years.
I love the sugar path. But I got a few kilos now. 😜🦋👊
I get it. Tell us what is a good deal and let us decide.
Good on her. But, I actually heard she was offered 3 million. 3 million pesos.
Yer telling like it is Chris,bring it!!
Thanks Chris ...
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