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Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
0:23 Sponsor MicroSwiss
1:02 It's a Tool
3:24 It's a Lifestyle
4:59 It's a Gateway
6:34 It's Unobtrusive
8:12 Upcycling opportunities
I came from a machinist background, designing an printing things that are impossible to machine, safely in the house with my children at a fraction of the cost of most other processes. Just amazing.
This, this is one off the appeals for me. Sometime ago made fanmount/duct to enclosure and it occured to me that why wouldn't I create angled cable channel inside the part. I mean sure, most off the stuff _could_ be done machining, but man the effort to make stuff like that which can be trivial with printing. Also printed very oddly shaped funnel to one guy for some big rig to add washer fluid as surprisingly it has very unconvenient location. Also added air channel inside that. Stuff like that would be _virtually_ impossible to injection mold. It's also so good for machine prototyping. I've made countless off packaging machine parts by printing and some are actually in production all the time. But it saves a lot off time to design and actually test part before actually sending quotation for some machinist, let alone ease the stress off designing something "blindfolded" and hope paid part will actually perform as intended.
Yeah I love being able to design and create things without the need of a giant workshop which just isn't an option for me right now. It's crazy that you can create almost anything on one single machine.
Same reason I got one. I spent hours in the garage on my manual mill and lathe to make something simple. Blows my mind how fast I can make something much more complex with my 3D printer. I still want to add a CNC mill to my home shop someday though.
I like to use 3d printed cutting/drilling guides
Not only can parts be made, I've sometimes made better parts than the original equipment. Favorite example is our microwave oven. The plastic tabs that latch the door shut had broken. It took a few dozen iterations, but I came up with a replacement part that will hold the door closed tighter, yet open and close more cleanly, with one finger swinging the door closed in most cases. My replacement part has lasted for years so far with no degradation of performance, but even if it totally broke, I could just print another and whack it in, with no further re-engineering. Awesome to have that capability at home.
you sell your design to that company for a good price
A good thought. Unfortunately I don't have any contacts with Panasonic manufacturing. Not sure if our microwave is still a current model, either. @@abhishekahirvar7783
Thanks Tom. Been waiting for this. Mine is in a box waiting to be built, today!!
Ordered a MK4 kit as it became available. Will be my first printer and I'm exited!
get ready to have your life changed
I purchased a MK3 a couple years ago and it has been just as much fun as I had hoped. Learning CAD makes 3D printing even better.
Well done
@@georgskleinewerkstatt8678 welcome to the community mate
I chose the Ender 2 Pro. I know it's a far less advanced machine, but it's also a reliable workhorse that gives me alot of joy. I like the simplicity. Now wanting to buy my second printer, which is going to be faster, bigger and maybe even dual extruder (IDEX), but this simple "first" printer is probably the one I'll remember the most in 10 or 20 years. I showed it to my family and friends, moved it around had so much "aha!" moments. And I'll probably never sell it. Happy printing!
Thank you for the video! I'm just getting started with 3D printing and really appreciate your knowledge.
Thank you Micro Swiss I will be ordering that later this week ❤️❤️❤️.
Spot on! I was looking for a new hobby when I retired that combined my career in IT and my love of woodworking. I tried 3D printing and have evolved my skills and equipment. A big consideration is the community that you join, many helpful people that are excited to share
I'm really keen on getting into 3d printing and would like to get into the community or group to learn more, is there one you would recommend?
I heard of 3D printing as a kid in school , and thought it was a cool idea , turning a piece of plastic wire into like a bust or anything your mind can think off As the years go by I always heard people say “ oh I need this thing 3D printed , do I know anyone ? “ so I decided in December to get into the hobby , it’s been a couple of months now running 2 printers and made it into a very decent side career of it , and as many headaches I get from doing it the more I really enjoy it
Good luck and have fun. Good hobby :)
Do you sell printed parts? How does the side buisiness work?
Thanks, just ordered my 3rd today. MK4.
I only ever heard of the idea of a 3d printer around 2015. I was amazed, it was like magic, I had never even conceived of telling a computer to make a physical object. It's still seems like magic even years later. The progress that has been made in the market in a decade has been amazing. My first printer was a printerbot, no heated bed and a pretty small area for 500 bucks (it never really worked that well, but was fun). 6 years later I have an ender that was
All good points Thomas!, As a fixer & maker, I consider the 3D printer an essential tool. Sure, I use other materials and methods like woodwork, machining & welding, nuts and bolts, glue, wire, tape etc..but there are times when the speed from concept to part is incredibly useful and there are many times I´ve just printed the-thing-i-need-right-now for a project. Could be a bezel for a coffee can bookshelf speaker, A custom holder for a flashlight, a toolsetting jig for my small cnc mill, a prototype bracket for a tricky DRO scale mount on one of my machine tools, a drill organizer or a phone holder for my car. The instant gratification and iterative design ease just can´t be beat.
Printers can be really useful for many people. My old colleague, really, really talented metal worker asked me if I could print him for he's rally car heater adapter flange. From rectangle to hose connector part that would be really obnoxious to form from metal for what it is. He sent me dimensions and I modeled based that in about 1h and after 12h print he had cheap solid and light part to mount the car. He was really happy to save possibly multiple hours of tinkering, gladly paid bit for the job to have more time to focus on more productfull work.
I've got more than 40 years in depth experience of industrial CNC machines. Started as an operator and eventually got into service and repair. As a natural tinkerer i got my first printer a few years ago. The main use is for working parts when the material is sufficient for the application. I soon realized one printer was not enough. Now I have five. When working with printing often three of those ar running at the same time.
Great video. Thank you Thomas.
Thanks for the Video, well explained as usually. Greetings from the Galilee
I've got a Prusa Mini+ 2y ago, mostly based on your review at that time. Haven't been disappointed so far. It's exactly the right tool for my needs. Do I dream of upgrading to a MK4 or P1P? Sure. Do I need them? No. So, thanks for your honest reviews, including these two more general ones!
After 10 years of 3dprinting experience I could fully agree with every point. I also started the hard way with the same printer made of threaded rods. Get in 3dprinting I would recommend every creative person because you can your ideas a few hours later hold in your hands.
Good morning, in your opinion, what is the best 3D printer, with an approximate area of 300x300x300mm and that prints ABS and ASA filaments? Thanks
Thanks for the MicroSwiss Ad (I hope it's not bad), I was looking to upgrade my other Boden style Ender 3 and this MS with a REVO just made up my mind! I may consider upgrading my current Ender 3 with MS regular direct drive with this type if this new MSwiss NG is any good. Does anyone else have an issue with the BigTree TFT-35 touch screens crashing your printer? Seems I can only use them in Marlin mode, gone through 3 screens, I could be a boneHead. I have made Polaris snowmobile parts, that Polaris no longer makes, Mr. Coffee Machine parts, costers with custom logos, a better air vent clip for my 2003 VW in the Enigine Com!, it's been endless for me.
Coming from 25 years of industrial maintenance point of view, 3d printing is viable in a lot of things. Having access to both resin and FDM printers, we have made many items to ductwork adapters to robot end effectors. Now to be fair, i have years of CAD experience so moving on to 3d printing was the next logical move as moving from idea to design to creation is minimal. The learning curve anymore is not in using the 3d printer but designing what you need to be able to print it. Sure you can find a lot of cool stuff for free but most items needed for specific use have to be designed. Great video as always.
I just bought an ender 3v2 and I am so damn excited. It arrives in a few days and I am looking to make a plastic recycling gadget that will allow me to create my own filament. I am soooo excited.
Already have the NG revo on my ender5 plus it's a beast i could say.
Nice video, good info for any beginners :) has anyone seen a good project where a delta printer was upcycled?
I just added a resin printer to complement my cr10s. I got the Halot-Mage this week. I am looking for a video explaining resin. It didnt come with resin. Creality recommends their 8k resin but its not available anywhere. What are the best resins? Is Aliexpress an option?
I watched, and I have four 3D printers. You just convinced me that I need another 😂
I think a video showing some functional printed parts could be encouraging. Most 3D print videos tend to show vases/statues/ boaty / art.... but rarely any functional prints.
@@jothain I have posted more than 20 functional design there. I am alonly talking about people whot at the moment have no idea what STL is and showing them some examples in video format could motivate them to look into 3D printers as a thing...
@@RamiRouhana Ah ok, but statement still lasts. What is functional to people is 100% invidual. I'd say only viable thing is to browse selection invidually. Maybe overview video about showing sites like thingiverse, printables, grab cad, macmaster and cadenas would be ok.
For me the main reason to start 3d printing now is that the technology has matured to a level that non-enthusiasts can use it. It's no longer diy thing where you spend most of your time getting the printer to work; no, now they're just reasonably reliable and easy to use. I've been repairing customer electronics as a hobby for some time now (organized in so called repair cafés). I always was frustrated I couldn't fix some mechanical parts. But I didn't have the time for an extra hobby. I bought a prusa i3 and now I can fix more stuff. It just works.
I was looking for the "highly regarded models" in the description but didn't find any 😢
Please do a tutorial on how to set up Klipper on a Raspberry Pi. I tried it recently and could not get it to connect to my network. I gave up. The instructions are very confusing.
@madewithlayers Which mid range (£800 avg), core xy, enclosed printer do u recommend?
I'm developing a centrifugal supercharger, it already survived 38k rpm, for sure 3d prints are much stronger than what people give credit for, and absolutely since I got my printer out of the box, it changed my life for good for ever.
The facility where I work has a bunch of large-format CNC mills. Every morning we all pitch in to clean up down there, and even after removing bag after bag of debris and dust, while running building-sized air handlers to capture airborne dust, there's always a thin layer of dust on everything. Then there's the sheer expense of having a big honkin' dumpster rented and emptied daily or weekly. Compared to that, SLS was a game-changer for prototyping and industrial design, and FFF/FDM and SLA/DLP after that was even more efficient. But that's like a decade or two ago in the industry, now the cutting edge of the industry is resin jet, sintered metal parts, etc. There are very few large-format options (machines that can spit out 1:1 scale cars) that are cost-effective at the moment, but I'm confident we'll see a few more in the next decade. Meanwhile in the consumer space we may see HP start selling scaled-down consumer resin jets.
If you are into Cosplay its a great way to make props.
I came from an engineering background (that's my job) and had experience with CNC routers when I moved to 3D printing 7 years ago or so. I've also been "DIY" things since my early childhood (errr ... more than 3 decades ago). As you said, 3DP is a much less noisy / dirty thing han CNC routing is. Much less noisy because I don't know a 3DP printer than can be as loud as a CNC router is (the one I have is as as loud as 80-90 dB). To me, it's not only a hobby. It's mostly a TOOL, a tool you need to get used to (3D printers are not "plug'n'play", unlike some may think. NONE is). That's a tool I use to make functional things. Not only for my own use, but... family, friends too. My dad can't step asking me new things to fix "this" or something to do "that". Mine has been barely modded/upgraded since I bought it. A few things changed because it was necessary, yet it remains globally the same machine.
Hello! What is more important in life, accuracy or practicality? Or cheapness? Great job!
Reliability.
A big plus for getting at least a minimal 3d printer is providing parts for discontinued appliances. My 3d printer resurrected my FlipLock camera tripod, my Wearing food slicer, my Vantage View weather station and my beloved Golden Gate Park Tai Chi hoodie. Even if the parts are available it only costs pennies to fabricate them myself.
2nd best thumbnail preview you ever made ❤
i just bought my first 3D printer. i have a Quest 3 VR headset that im using for 3D sculpting and modeling. and i thought it would be cool to be able to bring what i created in the Virtual world into the real world with a 3D printer. Now the quest 3 Have Mixed reality. that makes this ever better because lets say i want to model a vase for my living room. well i can in mixed realty place it in my home and see what what it would look like inside my living room before printing it.
I have an Up Mini and a Halot-One. should I get a _third_ 3D printer
Yes
I've been developing a3d printed asset library for gardening indoors with limited space :) I'll be uploading it soon, keep an eye open ;)
your 3d printing speed is limited in fdm print head by the acceleration, only spray the plastic with hot air and deflect sideways with hot air nozzles, like in a crt screen
yes material spray direction by air flow
air flow speed can be controlled by piezo elements (either nozzle direction or air pulse generation/speaker)
Build the Proton v3 pleassssse!!?
Hey Thomas, sorry für das nerven, aber koenntest du bei einen der kommenden Videos bitte mal auf den M32 Command im Gcode eingehen? Danke :)
7:51 From which video is this taken?
this one: kzhead.info/sun/lch8npGwqXSCpn0/bejne.html
I would also add in machine maintenance costs, the bed will wear out eventually, so do the moving parts.
I wouldn't even count those. My mk3 has printed for at least hundreds off hours and only stuff I've replaced are bed sheets couple times and 99% of that is my own mistakes. Wrong material to wrong sheet that literally took parts off the coating. Couple nozzles. That's it. To this day I haven't replaced any other mechanical parts to my printers at home and work.
Maintenance cost is negligible. A new PEI sheet for the bed start at abt, $20. And i will last pretty long. The other mechanics are not that expensive either if using a common commercial printer.
Review Swapper 3D!
i broadly agree with this video. it covers most if not all of the main points. your opposite video however, i did not fully agree so much. not everything presented there seemed accurate, i would say 'a bit misrepresented'. to be diplomatic about it
Girls: we don't send mixed signals, what are you talking about! Meanwhile Thomas:
My company, Rack Robotics, is using 3D printing to make our products. We have over 3500 prints to get through for our first run. Getting the right printer is super important for people using these for sales. Even if you have a lot of experience it's better to get a machine that does more of the work. Not having to run nozzle offsets or flow cal is really important for quick turnaround. Also having 5x of a high speed printer is a huge help. They're not perfect, but printing is a great way to avoid injection molding for medium volume custom parts.
3D printed parts are not comparable in strength to injection molded.
@@OU81TWO depends on the material and use case. For us, we're using prints as panels on an electronics product. Also for most use cases it may not matter
@@OU81TWO This is no longer the case. You can now print parts stronger than injection molded ones if you use right parameters or/and fiber reinforced material.
@@OU81TWO That's bit debatable. In some cases you can leave out air channels from printed parts and some forms are just impossible to even create molded. I've made many replacements for molded parts. Granted they can have more "meat" in them. One thing is that you make molded part that can fail, well you essentially have flawed batch off products. Printing can fix many bad designs.
@@jothain I'm talking about the exact same parts made with exactly the same material. The only variable is the process. One is 3D printed the other is injection molded. The injection molded one will always be stronger due to the uniformity of the material structure. 3D printing causes variations when layers are fusing together. Of course you can adjust the design to make it just as strong but that's introducing another variable and it's nolonger a valid comparison. Process vs process using exact same geometry and material...injection molded always wins.
"and the only bits that are free-range waste are the little nubs where the nozzle gets primed" 7:55 ... Well, *unless you use a Bambu Lab AMS system which produces tons of "poop" waste!* ;o) Sorry for the Bambu Lab trolling. But after reading soo much hype and fanboi comments I had to point this out! =) I do like BL! But they are not nearly perfect. *Otherwise I fully agree to your arguments* and often use most of them when explaining why I am into 3D printing. Although it is complicated to suggest a "first" 3D printer (which probably was and is one of the most asked questions), I would advise to *not pay too much* (below 300 bucks) and *buy a machine that testers described as "good out of the box".* In the moment that would be a Sovol SV06 or SV 07 (if on sale), Elegoo Neptune 4 (Pro) or an Ender 2 Pro. Simple, reliable and cheap. Of course a machine for 700 bucks is better - it should be (Like a Bambu Lab P1S/P)! But comparing the price to 129 bucks for the Ender 2 Pro it's a lot more investment for a new hobby. And my problem with that is, that they are mostly only better in one thing: speed. And they are also much louder which isn't good for using that thing in an apartment at the evenings. But the idea could be: make your first steps, try stuff out and some time later you know what your second printer should be like. Maybe it's speed, but maybe it's size (at least 300 x 300), maybe multi material (BL AMS) or two materials with less waste (Sovol SV 04 IDEX), maybe design (Creality K1), open source or the whole DIY building experience and knowledge gain (Voron). Till than a simple Sovol SV06 could be a solid workhorse and later be used as a project printer to dive deeper into modding, Klipper, new toolhead, programming ... or the first printer for someone in the family. And don't be too impatient because of long prints! If you printer is quiet you have more than 100+ hours a week for printing and during that time you can dive deeper into knowledge and tricks (videos), learn CAD, search new models, design new parts or doing stuff like cooking, eating and sleeping. ;o)
I have 3d printing for 4 years and am hooked like a crack head. It blows my mind that if I think it i can make it as long as a file exists for it. I own a peopoly phenom resin printer and just spent $800 dollars to get a up grade kit for it because the company in China that makes the uv screen for it went out of business. So i had to buy the up grade kit or else the printer would just be sitting there unused. This art form is amazing beyond compare . Happy creating.............
Butter smooth 4K 60FPS 🫠
I look at the 3D robotic laboratory analysers I service and think to myself: "that would make a great 3D printer"
What is now the best printer around 400 euros ?
Voron2.4 or Trident
@@user-et3jh8xp1k i have bambo lab🥳
Thomas : Why you shoulf NOT get a 3d printer Thomas 1 minute later : Why you should get a 3D printer NOW
I feel there are other conversations we could be having that should be having so we are making videos like these to avoid having them.
A note to brand new 3D printer owners: Choose your STL downloads wisely, the cute ones often only stay cute for 5 minutes after printing, then you've got to find somewhere to store them. I got a 3D printer so I could create custom parts, notably being able to attach things to other things in unique ways, which lead me to creating a pile of TPU holders for antennas & radio receivers for drones using design ideas nobody had seen before, they print flat without support and fold into place,. There's thousands of racing / cinematic / acrobatic drones out there with 3D prints of my designs on now.
Dayum, KZhead is getting weird again. Got the other video in my recommendations, but not this one. And didn't even get a notification as well:/ looking forward to the vid tho.
best part about not getting a 3d printer is not having agencies monitor what your doing and putting you on terrorist watch list.
While it is true that some of the community resolutions to a problem are incorrect, upon continued research on the forums, I have always found the solution, the 3D community is vast, problem solving requires diligence, a lazy point of view is inexplicable.
yesterday's video: "Why You Shouldn't Get a 3D Printer".. today: "Why You Should Get A 3D Printer NOW" Thomas has run out of content.
if you had about £500 which printer would you buy?
The cadillac near that range is the Bambu P1P, one of the fastest printers you can buy... but if speed isn't king, you can get something like a Sovol SV06 for under $300 US. reviews of them on YT.
i'm also thinking about an Idex; either the sv04 or tenlog tl-d3 pro... any thoughts?
@@hood1148 I sometimes find myself looking at the SV04, but when I'm honest. I'm a functional user, not selling parts and I can do a color swap on my direct drive in 10 seconds if I want to just spice up a print like some recent tablet stands, so, fun aside, it's not practical for me. I'd suggest drilling down hard on what types of output meets your goals.
You are right. I don't have A printer; I have six.
Revo……what about the obxidian nozzle????? Waiting for month! Never ending story!
Oh no... now I'm looking at my Ender 3 S1 motors and extrusions and thinking "What could you Become?!"
I have 4 printers 🤣 3 fdm and 1 resin
the only waste is the prime line? *looks at a heap of supports which i removed * maayyybe therse some more
How old are you
1:50 Might be one of the worst design workflows in Fusion that I have ever seen in my life. Please reach out, I can help you learn proper modeling techniques, you are killing your creativity by using the tools wrong.
Thuny bucks?
I need help please: I wanna get a third printer but my dad probably won’t let me. How do I convince him? I’ve got an Ender 3 v2 and Max Neo and I wanna get a Ender 2 Pro😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
are you sure you dont just need an intervention :P kidding. you said probably wont so maybe he will :)
Look for something which you could print for him, but is not possible to achieve on the printers you already have ^^
Print and sell things. Buy the printer from the money you earned.
Sell one of the older ones and buy a new one.
Cances are your viewers don't have 3D printers? What? Then you jump directly into an ad for a micro swiss toolhead?
Two videos… I applaud your political skills!
i watched this and i dont want one
kzhead.info/sun/ZpygiNmjbXqleIU/bejne.html :)
i dont print anything...why would I need one ?
to learn a diverse broad set practical and transferrable skills, that will benefit you in many other walks of life (edit) and probably for the rest of your entire life btw incidentally there is also a social aspect too, since the hobby downright requires and fores you to make good positive friendships, (even amongst the most antisocial ones of us all)
I'm sure You don't need one.
Every maker probably already have a 3D printer by now. And for non technical users this video is to technical.
3d printing is a waste of resources you will never get back. Unless you have a KZhead channel.
Why u should German videos as a German!
6:35 100% BS.
Huh? you do know what unobtrusive means, right? I have 6 printers, and have not attracted a bit of attention to my hobby. None of my neighbors know about it at all and the only telltale sign would be an occasional spool holder in the recycle bin.
@@brianmi40 1) 3dp is not inexpensive to get into nor sustain; consumables are much more than filament. Hence, it will obtrude your wallet. 2) 3dp can take up a ridiculous amount of space, especially if you are building kits or tinkering. Hence, it will obtrude your space. 3) The fumes given off by 3pd are potentially dangerous, especially ABS and using unenclosed printers; hence it will obtrude air quality. Please let me know if this helps.
@@bernardtarver I have no clue how anyone could get that misinformed. I own a total of 8 3D printers and started 3D printing 10+ years ago. I've never "consumed" anything but filament and electricity, not even wore out a nozzle or a belt after 500+ prints. WRONG #1 3D printing is NOT expensive to get into, a quality name brand 220x220x250 printer with a PEI magnetic bed and automatic bed leveling can be bought for $80 delivered, with a one year warranty. WRONG #2 Consumer level hobbyist printer kits can be assembled on a kitchen table in an afternoon. I know, I assembled a Printrbot that way 10 years ago from lasercut wood. Most people interested in 3D printing own a kitchen table. But the days of printer "kits" with 100 parts spread out like a Prusa are largely gone, 80%+ of printers assemble from major preassembled sections in 20 minutes. WRONG #3 More 3D printing is done with PLA and PETG than all other types of filament combined as far as hobbyist printers, neither of which offgas harmful fumes. Don't want to be exposed to ABS fumes? Don't use it, or print in a garage or ventilate the printer. PETG is higher temp than PLA, holds up well with UV resistance outdoors, so ABS really only comes in to play to print for use inside a car -- a tiny portion of 3D printing. WRONG #4 So no, telling falsehoods or being uninformed doesn't"help".
@@brianmi40 Please learn to communicate more concisely. Filament, nozzles, PTFE tubes, build plate adhesive, v wheels, etc., are all consumables. Quality parts and materials from name brands (e.g., Slice Engineering, Prusament, Misumi, ProtoPasta, Bondtech, LDO, etc.) are costly. Your experience with 3dp is limited to defunct and cheap low-end printers. Try spending $1,500 and building a Voron or RatRig; you will eat Ramen noodles from your couch for weeks. Better yet, develop your own CAD models. Lastly, feel free to review papers on 3dp emissions on Google Scholar (e.g., Fume emissions from a low-cost 3-D printer with various filaments).
@@bernardtarver Filament is cheap for most use-cases, nozzles are cheap(and some will last a lifetime), adhesives are cheap, v wheels are cheap, ptfe tubes are cheap. All of these have to be replaced over the course of many months, with some such as PTFE tubes rarely if ever need replaced for the common user. I have, in fact, not once ever heard of it being necessary outside of printing large volumes of abrasive filament. Over the course of a year of regularly printing, a person may need only replace each of these once with some, such as adhesives and ptfe tubes, not even applying to most people. Your point about higher end printers is merely moving goalposts. What you call defunct is the equipment that suits the needs of 95% of people who use it as a tool. The cost of a high end printer is completely irrelevant, as is how loud they are or how large they are. The emissions point is valid, however, according to the literature. And lastly, please learn to communicate without coming across as stuck up and arrogant. It would do you good.