Zionism and beyond |

2024 ж. 8 Қаң.
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  • Free 🇵🇸 Palestine

    @zakaullahtiwana1618@zakaullahtiwana16184 ай бұрын
  • This is just historical revisionism. For one thing, the argument that there was no antisemitism in Muslim lands is pure fantasy. There existed the 'jizya' which Jews and Christians needed to pay and Jews also had 'dhimmi' or secondary status. Moreover, similar European discourses of the Jew-as-feminine circulated amongst Muslims too in the 19th century and Jews were treated with open contempt. Further reading is the chapter 'Colonized' in George Bensoussan's 'Jews in Arab Countries: The Great Uprooting'. Mr Rashid, a hobbyist historian with no PhD, makes so many errors in such a short period of time: 1) The Palestinians are treated as a transhistorical category, there in fact was no historical consciousness that Palestinians were a distinct national group before the 1920s according to Benny Morris. Name me a person that considered themself as Palestinian - a distinct national group - from surrounding Arabs that lived and died before the 20th century. You won't find one. 2) Zionism didn't split off from Orthodox Judaism - again a fantasy statement - the historical conditions for its formation were influenced by several things. European anti-Semitism - which he gets right - the Haskalah or Jewish Enlightenment and the spread of nationalism. So the framing of splitting off makes absolutely no sense. 3) Rashid talks about how the League of Nations gave Israel to a 'foreign European entity' but makes no mention of Jews that had been in the land for decades and centuries indeed Jews were a majority in Jerusalem by the 1860s. He also makes no mention of historic ties to the land where Jews were majority according to Moshe Gil until the 10th-11th century. 4) He doesn't even mention the historical context in 1948, he makes no mention of the civil war in 1947 or the war of existential survival between Jews and Arab states in 1948. Or the partition plan which the Palestinians rejected in 1947. He isn't soberly talking about the facts, it's just poor undergraduate interpretation.

    @Generaljony@Generaljony4 ай бұрын
    • Lame and reductionist argument full of false correlation...

      @ProfessorWolverine@ProfessorWolverine3 ай бұрын
  • 🇮🇱✡️🇮🇱

    @alonewalker9353@alonewalker93534 ай бұрын
  • This is just historical revisionism. For one thing, the argument that there was no antisemitism in Muslim lands is pure fantasy. There existed the 'jizya' which Jews and Christians needed to pay and Jews also had 'dhimmi' or secondary status. Moreover, similar European discourses of the Jew-as-feminine circulated amongst Muslims too in the 19th century and Jews were treated with open contempt. Further reading is the chapter 'Colonized' in George Bensoussan's 'Jews in Arab Countries: The Great Uprooting'. Mr Rashid, a hobbyist historian with no PhD, makes so many errors in such a short period of time: 1) The Palestinians are treated as a transhistorical category, there in fact was no historical consciousness that Palestinians were a distinct national group before the 1920s according to Benny Morris. Name me a person that considered themself as Palestinian - a distinct national group - from surrounding Arabs that lived and died before the 20th century. You won't find one. 2) Zionism didn't split off from Orthodox Judaism - again a fantasy statement - the historical conditions for its formation were influenced by several things. European anti-Semitism - which he gets right - the Haskalah or Jewish Enlightenment and the spread of nationalism. So the framing of splitting off makes absolutely no sense. 3) Rashid talks about how the League of Nations gave Israel to a 'foreign European entity' but makes no mention of Jews that had been in the land for decades and centuries indeed Jews were a majority in Jerusalem by the 1860s. He also makes no mention of historic ties to the land where Jews were majority according to Moshe Gil until the 10th-11th century. 4) He doesn't even mention the historical context in 1948, he makes no mention of the civil war in 1947 or the war of existential survival between Jews and Arab states in 1948. Or the partition plan which the Palestinians rejected in 1947. He isn't soberly talking about the facts, it's just poor undergraduate interpretation.

    @jesseszteinbaum@jesseszteinbaum4 ай бұрын
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