PLEASE Do Not Build Your Fence This Way! - Fence Pro Reacts
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I finished my basement following Jeff's methods and my homebuilder brother told me my level of quality was better than what his contractors use. I can't speak to his fence building prowess but his construction methods for basement finishing saved me tens of thousands and it is top notch.
I have worked in construction for 25 years and every video I stumbled upon of his is terrible advice. It may be that people in your area just have a really low standard for quality.
@@Nicball505 I've been in construction for 30 years, and I've stumbled across your work in your area, and I wasn't impressed with your quality.
@@blanketstarry7725 😂 that is a lame ass comeback.
@@Nicball505 It wasn't a comeback. Just because I am anonymous, you think I am not credible? What's your deal?
So it’s funny watching this bc I did some of these exact same things, except I used a tape measure and concrete where my post don’t move when they are sneezed on. I did 500ft of privacy around my yard two years ago and only wish I had found your channel along with SWI and Mr. Fence prior to doing it. I almost hate looking at mine but I’m stuck with it….love all the info you give us!!
This put a smile on my face. I used to be subscribed to that Jeff guy till one day he was doing duct (ventilation) work and a pro told him he was doing something wrong and it made a lot of sense. The guy was saying to put the male vent pipe towards air flow and the female against the air flow like that you get less potential for air leak. Instead of accepting his mistake and thanking the guy for info, this Jeff guy told him off, I unsuscribed on the spot. Haven’t watched any of his videos since lol. Keep up the great work.
Sounds like a very Jeff move, thanks for watching and weighing in!
yeah, just did a load of ductwork in my new house and it made sense to me that way (thought of water rather than air) so having no edges to "catch" would improve air flow. rarely touched metal work since I left school but being a technical guy in a technical trade, I read a book on the subject first. There are Social media people who are educating and others who use it as a source of income. many "trade people" start out as the former and end up as the latter. Not to say there is no information to be gained, even if it is bad information.
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Thats one of the first things you learn in sheet metal school after how to use tin snips lol
Can yoy elaborate? Male part as in it fitting inside the larger female duct? If the air is moving towards the "male" interior edge part it would create a high pressure zone in the joint and cause more turbulence/non-laminar flow... you sure your didn't mean the opposite? Can you please post video link what he did?
Hi Joe - love your videos! i've got to make a block with two holes for the gate pins to drop into at the bottom! Any advice? Have you done a video about making one of these?
Thank you for ending the video I couldn't listen to jeff for another second. I felt my brain getting smoother 😂
You need a roasting Jeff playlist 😂
Beware, Jeff is highly emotional
I attended a 2 year residential remodeling program where you graduate with an associate's degree. Our first year carpentry instructor (who was very talented... and demanding) described what he called a "quality triangle", where one edge was "good", another was "fast/easy", and another was "cheap". He drilled into us that you can only achieve two of those edges, not all three.
This applies to so many things, like building cars!
As a home owner, on 40 acres. I make sure to do everything as good or better than the pros. The thing I can’t understand is why do people make “how to” videos about any subject if they have no clue what they are doing.
They are doing it because they truly believe they know how it's done. That's why I watch many how to videos and do more research to ensure I know the correct way before I follow a particular approach. Don't just look at the first video that comes up with a particular solution to the problem.
Hi Joe, I've been searching and haven't had much luck looking for the answer I'm looking for. We have done some fencing on our property and not happy with all of it.. :) We have used 5"-6" round treated posts with treated 4 1/4" half round rails. What is the best way to top the posts? Is there a jig out there? What do the pros use? Do they treat the tops after making their cuts?
I started to question some of the stuff his channel recommend and decided to see if anyone had a critique video on him. That's how I found your channel previously. Thank you for what you do.
Very welcome, appreciate you watching!
Have you review 4x4 fence post anchor spike that is hammered into the dirt.
I came across this guys videos when i built my fence last summer, I did not end up using his tips and tricks lol.
He has a fairly substantial following! I always look at people doing things better…if I can prove they are better. Suggestions for correction and improvement as you go are best.
I'm all for people following this guy. It get's a handyman more work than he needs fixing all this stuff. Keep it up .
😂 couldn’t agree more
What would you recommend for setting post in sandy soil and high winds
Go deeper in setting your posts, and set them in concrete You want that weight as ballast the higher the fence the deeper the post depth.
The funny thing is that he's talking about how much he's saving by using the bracing to build the fence later. He used $25 of foam per post and still claims he's saving money by using the 2x4s
How do you feel about using OZ-Post spike to install fence post?
We’ve only used them once and it was a very great experience
I used it for a rotted off mailbox post. Was a quick and easy solution. My biggest concern is that if you don't seal off around the post, water will drip down into the end of the post and rot it from the bottom up.
I installed them and so far they have sustained a few days of wind gusts of up to 35 mph so far so good.. I used waterproofing stain before setting the post and then caulked around the base to help prevent water from running down into the post
One of the reasons I enjoy the videos is that sometimes the way to know how to do something correctly is to also look at how it’s done incorrectly.
the fence on my parents lot that they bought next door to their house, has got to be close to 100 years old! the house was built in 1908 that we demolished, and ide be very surprised if the fence wasnt original. its only a 4 foot fence, but its def old AF. i donno if its cedar off hand, but ya, its old, looks old, but is still sturdy and doing well.
why would you demolish a 1908 house? 😡
@@headcas620 cause no one has lived in it for 40 years and it was totally ran down, not to Mentone old homes like that are shit, there was newspapers for insulation, it wasn't worth saving
Been looking forward to this 🤣🤣
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He is so high on his own supply too. It makes me physically sick. He literally goes out of his way to not use proper PPE. He sets a bad example. I'm surprised he has all of his digits and senses.
First, like your videos. As a fence guy for 16 years, install for 12 out of those 16 in NJ. Anyway this video did drove me up a wall a bit lol. Never used never thought and never will use that foam cause seeing him just mark the post with his pencil and it moves is the craziest part. 😂
I’m from the same area as him, code for depth is 4 feet deep which is where our frost line is. I’ve removed and replaced multiple fences that were only 5-7 years old and already falling over because whoever built it decided 2 feet or something a handyman I came across said, as deep as your arm can reach in the hole was more than enough
Where we’re from it is most common to inset rails and fence boards, it looks cleaner in my opinion and has been what I’ve always seen growing up, on the face we would call a hack job
I’ve been in trades all my life. I’ve seen a handful of guys that don’t need a tape measure. Even they still use hand or forearm for reference measurements
I had a capped design put in last June in Harrisonville, Mo. The posts do not move unless you push reasonably hard. That movement you see in this video disturbs me. Foam just sounds sketchy to me. Joe, I paid a little extra for the capped fence. Does that indeed improvee sturdiness and logevity? It is definitely more eye pleasing. Do you think it was worth the extra money? I wish I could post a picture. It's gorgeous, especially after putting a oil based redwood stain on it after the wood dried out.
I always had a feeling about this guy right from the first time i watched him lol
I watched some of Jeff’s videos on various home improvement projects and I had doubts about his methods & quit watching him.
Did you see how much the post moved when he marked the placement for the 2x4 😂
Where I work virtually all fences have wood 4x4, I rarely can talk people into metal posts. The rails are in brackets between the posts. People complain when the fence follows the grade because it “isn’t straight” what they mean is level. They virtually all demand stair steps while also not wanting any gap at the bottom. To the point I have to argue that the pickets can’t touch the ground. The more I see from other states the more I think I should move.
LMAO, love the video! Perfect title for his videos by the way.
Thanks for watching and weighing in!
I feel like this guy says "work smarter, not harder" a lot. Not measuring isn't smarter, it's just lazier. If you're spending the hours (or days) it takes to build a fence, why are you trying so hard to save 10 minutes. Realistically, it would probably take me less than 10 seconds per post to measure 6 inches down and make a mark. It would take me 10 seconds to measure 8 feet BEFORE I spend 10 minutes digging a post hole. Yes, it would take me a little longer to cut a mitered end on a stretcher, but i would probably make that time back with how much easier it would be to hang my pickets. And i wouldn't have to worry as much about my dogs getting out under the fence or, similarly, unwanted visitors getting in. Plus if I sold my house, i wouldn't have the buyers putting "a new fence" as a contingency after they saw the hobbled together mess i made after watching that video.
All great points, thanks for watching and weighing in!
I don’t know how this guy haves a Chanel, the only reason anyone would seriously watch this guy it to see what come in the box of a product you interested in
Wow! Just him marking the post (7:30) showed how well it was in the ground. See that thing wobble? Living in Florida, no way would that hold up to even a Tropical Storm.
In Australia, where I've built several fences, our approach is to construct things to last for 50-80 years. That's why we have the saying: "Prepare well, do it right the first time, so you can relax with a drink that night." As a tradesman and as a person, I don't tolerate halfway craftsmanship. Taking pride in one's work is crucial. That's why we rely on string lines and measuring aids to ensure the job is done properly.
Australia has some of the worst tradies ever. Their work is shocking.
Nothing wrong with stepping. I prefer the step look in most cases as long as they are not big steps. I like the level lines look.
Agreed. As long as you have a few panels at the same level and step sections of 2-4 panels at a time. I prefer that look. But hey, all personal preference there. I do agree with the other commentary! Measure twice cut once.
Just did my fence today and I use the foam because I didn’t wanna wait. I wanted to have my fence up and it worked perfect level them out worked perfect as a connected. Everything else everything was solid the only thing only got about a foot and a half maybe almost 2 a 1/5foam exposure other than that it worked perfect like a professional seems like you’re hating on the guy lol 🎉🎉🎉
We’ve done a couple tests here on the channel, with the same brand he’s using, and neither one held up. But, in those video’s comments there were several people who had decent experience so 🤷♂️
Joe Dont stress much , take it as Comedy!!🤣
At this point I’m starting to question whether he actually believes this stuff or if he’s just trolling us!
you should see him paint🤣@@JoeEverest
To be fair, if you’re DIY all the crap that home renovision covers, his advice is usually pretty solid and understandable for the average Joe that is DIYing a job. Also worth noting that even if you hire a “professional”, half the time they suck. So you really have to dig (no pun intended) to find a contractor that is going to correctly build you a solid fence. I love the Home renovision channel and find a ton of useful info in it. But I also understand that his methods are “good enough” and not necessarily best practice. As long as you understand that, it’s a fantastic resource if you need a starting point for DIY projects you otherwise know little or nothing about.
How many inchmeters is in a kilomile though? Maybe in his units the specs are perfect! I think 6 inches is about a milifoot which is like a decamile in kansas or something around 12 inches for the rest of us. I took math in college so I'm pretty good with this stuff
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“Do your best and caulk the rest” is this guy in a nutshell.
My man Joe called his belt a landmark 😂😂😂😂
Absolutely agree Joe if it’s a DIY or newbie installing fence they should definitely use a stringline and tape measure and take out the guess work and the, looks good enough 😀and racking with the grade instead of stair stepping when you can 👍
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Professionals still use string ling to mark the rail lines not just diyers.
The real test for anyone who puts wood in the ground… is do they know the difference between UC4A and UC4B PT lumber? If you use UC4A (what they sell at every lumber yard off the shelf) then it will likely rot off in 5-10 years, maybe 15-20 in a dry area like where I live. If you use UC4B treated lumber (like they use in engineered post frame foundations) the lumber will last 70+ years in the ground. Is this necessary in every circumstance? No, obviously it’s not. But if you didn’t know the difference to begin with, I question if you’ve actually done research or only listened to the “old timers” about every single process on how to build a fence, a deck, a post frame building, etc. I’m also a fan a metal brackets made for bending moment loads, etc. but sometimes a post in the ground is better, depending on your application or availability of materials. I guess my issue is, if you’re going to mock Jeff for his easy DIY methodology (which is fine too in many respects) I’m hoping you educate your audience on different treatment levels and analyze the pros and cons, effective time frames, and applicable situations. If you do this, great. I’ve just found that very few people ever mention the UC4B or UC4C options in PT wood. Everyone just assumes all PT wood will rot in a few years with concrete in the ground.
I'm tickled bc I've come across his videos like AINT NO WAY😂😂😂
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"It moved a good bit" I mean, a 4x4 does have a fair bit of deflection over a 6' span even if the base is solid.
Sure, they can absolutely flex. His posts moved rather than flexed.
Not that much. 2 feet concrete is always better
No Way do the posts last 40 or 50 years!! 😂 I can speak from experience because we have a fence in Houston tx area that has rotten posts after 7 years. We’re now using Post Master posts now and in the future.
You know, I set my posts with gravel at the bottom and then concrete around. Then I used square rocks to level everything underneath the fence, so the lowest part of the terrain has a bit of rock showing, but at least the whole fence is one level and the bottom of the sides does not touch the ground, ever.
Usually I like Home Reno’s videos but when I saw this one I was like 🧐🤔🤔🤔
I really like some of Jeff's videos, they can be really useful. But I have to be honest, he's miles wide of the mark on so many things in this video. I'm completely self taught and even I would be going "f**k no" if I saw someone doing pretty much everything in this video! For a start, wind sheer IS real! You NEED bloody strength. I've seen the wind rip a fence to pieces and punch a picket through a car windscreen. Can you imagine what that'll do to a child's body? Secondly, that foam fix is just absolutely sh**. Might aswell set them in horse turd! That second post moved when he was marking it WITH HIS PENCIL! Come on Jeff! Don't let sponsorship compromise your own standards. I've SEEN you build far better than this!
6 inch reveal, make a jig. no string, no tape. In some of Jeff's other videos, I've seen him do things that aren't to code here in the US. Maybe to code in hist part of Canada.
I couldn't imagine ever taking advice from that hack. I put up a fence in my yard for the first time this week and with a 250' section, digging manually with a a posthole digger and rock-bar it wasnt bad. Just made sure my corner posts were done first and square to everything, ran lines and everything else was a breeze. The hell was that guy even talking about.
Dude, those posts rot out in five, depending on water. That foam is garbage, quick set cement if you want to build the same day.
The post moved when he marked it with a pencil...lol
I dont really get using foam when you could just use postcrete, Couldn't you just run a line along all the posts and mark off the positions of all the horizontals?
Thank you! I’m so sick of these YT content kuck’n dumbbmasses! Joe, you’re a good dude! I subbed! Team no BS! Cheers!
His videos are actually pretty good and he lives in Canada doesn’t get the southwest United States weather
we all love to see you pick on jeff i meant how is this guy and expert on everything?
So glad someone is calling out Jeff for what he is - a hack. He markets himself like he's highly qualified professional but anyone who knows a thing or two about construction can see he's faking til he makes it. It's as if he watches a few youtube videos and tackles a project for first time. He's really no better than any total beginner. It pains me that he has made a career of giving bad information while truly competent people are actually out there with their hands dirty. Thanks again Joe, wish you got the views he does, you actually deserve it
I've watch that guy a few times looking for tips before a reno. I'm not a fan lol He has some construction knowledge for sure, but he's the definition of the dunning-kruger effect
This is GREAT 😂 Jeff, just stop building fence bro
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Joe I love that you tear this stuff apart. Bet this fence has already failed.
I can’t imagine what that fence will look like after a couple seasons!
I'm glad you called him out because he was going to cost a lot of people a lot of money I didn't want to say anything I hate bashing people I know you're not you are actually being pretty cordial.
There are a number of posts about this guy in the Ottawa subreddit (where he works as a contractor), saying not to hire him.
The wind always blows against the strongest parts of a fence in canada.
I trust his remodeling skills more than his fence building skills.
Jeff should watch some SWI Fence videos so he learn how professionals do it
There are a lot of things Jeff should do, like stop making videos.
Jeff is definitely the type of person that won't listen to reason and always thinks he's right. I feel for his wife. Yikes.
@@chandracox6814he's son hate working with him
In fairness.... he's trying to make it easy for a homeowner. Not making like a pro would do it. If a homeowner can do it easy and perfect like us pros we'd be out of work.
@@Feed_Bleed_Read my my how easily you get all mad and rude at complete strangers. It must be hard to be you. I bet you flip the bird to others drivers from the safety of you car.
I don’t see how pointing out poor quality work. Is being rude or being angry. You are rude and angry and have no clue.
@@stevenkushinski6674 Wow, this exchange went right over your head. Read it 10x over and contemplate what was really said. Then get back with us.
It did not go over my head people watch diy videos to do a better job have a better out come Jeff’s channel should be removed not joes channel
@@stevenkushinski6674 Uhhh.... yeah. It did. Take a nap. You're tired.
Great job keeping a straight face! A person could get seasick looking at that wavy install, up and down, in and out.
Joe and Jeff just need to get a room.
😂 pass
“Makes the engine run like a top… for a couple of miles..”
When the DIY guy failed to watch some DYI videos on KZhead before building his fence🤣😂
May i please send you a photo of the area ( under 4o feet ) where im wanting to build a privacy fence but the ground is unlevel. 3 slopes. Please please advise. Doing this alone.
Weird cause the seriously aggressive way he whips his tape measure around when measuring drywall and such, you'd think he would here too.
You put rails parallel to the ground and each other. Not level to the center of the Earth. Place a picket on the ground of a set post and measure from there up. The "back" of this style of fence should look like one continuous set of three rails following the terrain and changing course behind each post. Only reason to have a level is to set posts, not rails. Buy the red bag of quickcrete. It sets good enough to build on in 45 minutes. No need for bracing post unless you're doing it in a hurricane. This is the most homeowner job I've ever seen. If you get more than 25 years out of a wood fence, you are running on house-money after that.
He leaves the end tags on the 2x4,s🤨
I was sucked into his channel a while ago as I like to watch building projects to learn. What I realized was, he seems to think if he says something with confidence, whatever he is saying is correct. Now the issue is, I don't believe anything he says because I don't know if what he is saying/doing is actually right or wrong.
Why not take the time to make it perfect if it’s your own fence? A fence is a big investment either way, so just do it right the first time. I don’t shortcut any home projects.
He does everything half assed
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A story stick would do a much more consistent job than’s his belt and eye measurement system.
Agreed, thanks for watching and weighing in!
I guess crowning your 2x4’s up wasn’t even a consideration. Because, you know, no rhinos walking across the top of the fence..
This is cool talk show. Its entertaining. Please dont be insulted i think this is writen for the purpose of showing over simplification theme. Thanks.
So glad this guy is getting the review he deserves. The whole channel is full of bad advice.
Absolutely, thanks for watching and weighing in!
I don't see how you wouldn't be wasting a ton of materials if you aren't actually measuring what you're doing.
why in the world would he think a cedar post in the ground would not rot for 40-50 years?
Here for fence builder beef
YEE HAAA. Looks like a cowboy
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That post moved just by him marking it
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DONUT!!!
Square or rounds, as long as you’re minimum 30 inches, you don’t need concrete (in most scenarios). Why not spend time digging to correct depth? I don’t understand people sometimes.
I am a pro painter and I started watching his channel until...he started doing painting. Yeah, I thought painting was one of the things he...was not right, but it seems that wasn't the only thing...
Sika stuff doesnt work well. Weak & fence will come down !!
That Jeff dude is a dope ,,thats an embarrassing fence ,,and an {un} even worse tutorial
Thanks for watching and weighing in!
that’s what’s wrong with the our society instead of striving for perfection, we strive for mediocrity
Wow. In fact I was watching him preparing the build yesterday but felt that he was sloppy so I stopped watching. He is a nice man but most of his work sounded easy but sometimes I wonder. Great report and thanks for sharing
Very welcome, thanks for watching!
This guy definitely shouldn't be telling people how to do stuff
The word " Should " Is dangerous and should not be trusted haha.
Excellent point, thanks for watching!
I feel like everything you said in this video was constructive criticism and that what you recommended was just common sense. There are many ways to do something but not using a tape measure when it is literally in your hand is just goofy as hell
That guy shouldn't be telling anyone how to build a fence. I can't imagine digging a hole just to use some foam crap. I don't get it; why not just build it correctly.
I thought this Jeff guy was decent until I saw him try to pour concrete. That's when I knw he had know idea on anything.
💯 he knows a little about a lot is how my grandad would have put it.
@Lanceymon did he not use PPE correctly then too?
lol so finny
Like your videos but disagree about trying to set your posts perfectly on 8 ft centers. I dont know about lumber in your area, but 8 footers here are always a touch longer and need to be cut anyway. Don't beat your brains out trying to get a perfect 8 ft. Just measure and cut your rails.