What is the point of Pride? Douglas Murray & Julie Bindel - The View from 22 | Spectator TV
2023 ж. 9 Мау.
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Lukas Degutis is joined by Douglas Murray and Julie Bindel to discuss Pride Month and how it has changed over the years. For better? Or for worse?
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"Sorry love, you're not a celebrity. You're just gay." Douglas Murray nails it every time.
👏👏👏👏👏👏 , loved that!
He is brilliant, we are blessed to have Douglas Murray.
Don't you just love him?! He's a global treasure!
@@littlemarmoset He has my total respect!
What about Lesbian violence Women go historical always men ......
“The trans rights activists are the type that would happily beat a woman with a sign that says “Be Kind.””-Kelly Jay Keen
What else would you expect from the mentally ill?
Or else!
There's nothing about a socialist that cannot be improved by a long freefall from a helicopter.
Yet..can you guess what group is victimized by murder more than any other?
Change the word could, to did.
I'm a straight white man and I could sit and listen to these two talk all day. Two intelligent people talking sense and doing far more good for the image of gay people than a thousand disco buses could ever hope to achieve. My respect an best wishes to you both.
Unfortunately, to a lot of impressionable young people, they're not colourful enough for them. Give them plastic pop of Miley Cyrus and Ellie Goulding and you're talking their level.
A man and listen to feminists can it be more lower than that 😂
Straight white woman, same here.
Yeah, exactly. They have different political views and yet they can agree on so many things. They treat each other with respect. Two wise people in the age of madness, more interested in fighting the madness than arguing each other.
Same here.
I am 62 been with my partner 34 years. I never came out and went to a Pride Parade once. I said never again. That is not who I am.
As an older gay man, it's so refreshing to hear from people who think exactly the same as I do about Pride & all this misogynist BS.
I highly recommend reading Fred Sargeants tweets. They are fabulous. So witty.
Believe me… the vast majority think the same
_"It's so refreshing to constantly hear the same BS from others as what I believe in."_ - The Patriarchy-Is-Totes-Real Bubble Well, good luck with that. And try to not let Julie Bindel lock you up in a man camp if you can.
Gay used to mean “happy” and was widely used in conversation and written material, but now there is a stigma to this word and it is never used apart from the new meaning of homosexual. I resent this as many others do , now the homosexuals have stolen the word “pride “ as well and also the rainbow . If homosexuals are trying to be accepted in the societies they live in they should try to be more considerate , not everyone wants to see their outlandish street parades with semi naked people and pseudo homosexual acts or want their children exposed to this .
@@TheGreatIndoors1979 Man camp sounds alright to me.
My lesbian friend plucked up the courage to join in an Australian pride parade a few years ago. She found the whole event confronting, utterly vulgar and distasteful. She described the participants as narcissists and not appropriately costumed for the many children watching. She said there was no sense of celebration or acknowledgment of how far their rights had come.
We're in a spiritual war. Against God.
No one cares if someone is gay, it's been this way for at least 20 years. It's all false victimhood.
@@jamesclark6487 Legal protection for gay and lesbian couples, and decriminalisation , that is all important and worthy and that is what the original pride parade celebrated. It got hijacked by the trans militia and turned into alphabet soup. I'm glad the lgb community are fighting to be separated from this mess. Their new group Gays against Groomers is a great start.
Narcissists is the key. It really does seem to have lost the point and more about attention seekers
@@sabsmcdabs7139 it's surpassed the look at me I'm special mentality, too Become like ME. It's truly sickening
“Love wins - especially when you’re beating up lesbians” What a line to end with😂😂
Wow, this was brilliant. Thank you Douglas and Julie for being the voice of reason in all this madness.
Also the fact that they are listening to each other, which is quality they both have in spades. It's damn refreshing
I totally agree. How lovely to actually listen to each other and sometimes agree!
As a heterosexual man, I tend to turn off when listening to these types of issues (most like the majority of men and women, I imagine). But Julie and Douglas are reasoned, humoured, informative, and interesting to listen to, whatever the subject.
Well, we should be interested in this topic sooner than later. It is not anymore about equal rights. It is about the beginning of tyrannical structures.
People of common sense ALWAYS have more in common than not - no matter what side of the political aisle they are from.
As a heterosexual woman, I think Douglas and Julie are absolutely brilliant, and the points they make here are excellent and so on point!
You forgot hateful.
@@hayleylongster4698 👍
As a human being, it is nice to hear from other human beings, that haven't lost their minds.
IKR? Have to find sites like this to reinforce that there are normal people on the planet.
Abso-flipping-lutely. Two voices of sanity in a parched rainbow desert.
@@isotopiary I Was With This Woman ♀️ Until She Complained About How Women ♀️ Are At More Of Disadvantage Then Men ♂️ How Men ♂️ Have A Higher Rate Of Suicide Homicide Disease Illness Injuries Mental Health Problems Higher Rates Of Imprisonment Violence Against Them Also Why Is She Complaining About Sex Workers Why If 2 People Have Agreed Consensual Sex With Each Other For Money 🤑💰 Who Cares What About Disabled People Who Arnt Able To Experience Sexual Relationships Are They Just Supposed To Denied That Opportunity Because This Women ♀️ Dosent Approve Of Sex Workers?.
is that the hb in the new lgbt+?
My thoughts exactly 💯
I'm a straight white woman but I'm totally in love with Douglas Mourray 😂😂😂
My favorite parts of this were the parts where Douglas and Julie made one another smile with their clever quips.
You might be lonely :(
@@a.nelprober-rl5cf It's possible. Or you might be projecting?
Yes. I'm not a great fan of Julie Bindel in general. But that's not to say that she can't impress me quite often, because she can and does. Here is one of those times. Douglas Murray I'm a great fan of. I respect the fact that despite their differences, they can interact here very amicably.
Mine too! How lovely to see them appreciate each other's humour so much. Brilliant.
Disco gays 😂
Douglas is a very intelligent man. No interest in playing the victim card. No identity politics.
That’s good because the increasing utility of the victim card is a huge part of how we got here.
And so is Julie Bindel, woman for you. That was a great discussion and even quite funny.
Allowing yaself to be a victim is a dead end. Most of the time, one can learn to play ones hand better, learn from one's mistakes. But you gotta own them first!
@@Individual_Lives_Matteryep and Even though I like Bindel - her group of feminists are the ones that started identity politics and the oppression Olympics but then it turned on them. And here we are in a complete mess where most forms of communication are disqualified right off the bat due to the skin color and sex of the person saying it
She is like most women - revels in playing the victim card and is a long time misandrist! E.g. all her references to male violence, yet she is part of the community with the highest rates of reported IPV - the lesbian community!
The whole MAPS thing utterly repulses and horrifies me that there is an attempt to normalise inflicting abuse and lifelong trauma on a child. It's monstrous.
Why??? Love is love right??? I really agree with you. Repent and be saved.
Yeah there's a reason why we call them child molesters. It's because the molest kids and quite rightly It's a crime. Next thing we'll be hearing about animal attracted persons.
@@riverdonoghue9992 Right! I said that years ago that satan is bringing up all the sins and making them legal. Actually in some countries it's legal, but it will be in the US soon.
It is purely demonic.
@@user-cu3xn4xj3iI sorry but are you saying being homosexual and being a peadophile is the same thing.? Because if you you are way way off the mark and out of order. From someone who is homosexual and hates peadophiles with a pssion don't ever put those two groups together and you can save the religious talk while your at it. How dare you. If that is not what your saying as things do get misread on social media what are you saying . I'm interested to know
Douglas and Julie should go on the road together. Unexpectedly they vibe together brilliantly.
they really do!
I really love how they’re both quite opposite politically of each other yet here they are having a very respectful conversation with each other. If political opposites would sit down like this and talk things out and actually understand their points, things could be less hostile. Hatred will always exist, but minimizing should be the goal
@user-xm8sc3wn7n it's the best. These days when adults can come together and be respectful despite political differences and show maturity it's sadly refreshing. I wish it was the norm
@@ry.butterfly you’re absolutely right - it truly is quite sad that them conversing civilly while being on opposite political sides is something to note and discuss. I very much wish it was the norm. At least within my community here, which admittedly is quite small, it’s becoming more normal to engage and listen rather than to scream and yell
@user-xm8sc3wn7n how wonderful! I hope we can all make such progress and learn what all people should be taught from the start, manners and decency!
Applause to the young man interviewing these two! He introduced his guests and let them speak!
Yes!
Yes, but's hardly what I'd call an interview. The problem with this format is that anything can be said and never challenged. It's really just a forum for rhetoric.
He's not ugly either is he!
Anthony Kelly That's how you come to understand other people's perspective - by allowing them to talk instead of trying to disprove them. Such are the "dangers" of living in a pluralistic and tolerant society.
@@anthony-kellyInterviewers are not obliged to always challenge their interviewees. Sometimes we just want perspectives. This isn’t CNN letting democrats get away with lying or Fox doing the same for their team. Sometimes interviewers talk entirely too much. I don’t know who this young man is, but I’m willing to bet he doesn’t have nearly the breadth of depth to add to this topic as these two. Time and place, mate.
Is there anything more cathartic than a good Douglas Murray rant?
No, nothing!
Yes.
So true 😂
Only to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women. But how often does that happen these days?
'I don't get mad, purple haired maniacs gluing themselves to the floor when I speak in public ' - Murray's style, content and delivery is just leagues above most of today's stand ups. Gold.
The world is gone crazy... Thank god for great thinkers like Julie Bindel and Douglas Murray!
Julie Bindel thinks men should be confined to concentration camps, literally. Look it up.
"I object to it mainly on taste grounds." 🤣🤣 Murray is pure class.
Julie and Douglas represent what is best among us homosexual people ... no-nonsense, sarcastic, wickedly funny ... and no bullshit. Love you both.
try to remember what Douglas said about your sexual proclivities being the least interesting thing about you
Thanks for demonstrating why you people are still a problem to society.
@@gdog2831 most off these people depend on their hyper fixated sexuality being their identity.
Bindel is a twisted man-hater, always has been, and has made a career out of it: the only reason she was civil to Douglas is because he's gay - plus she knows he'd tear her to shreds if she tried to disrespect him.
Remove 'homosexual', and your statement remains true 👍
How great to finally hear a conversation so rational, fair and completely sane
Only just stumbled upon Douglas Murray a few days ago. Now binge watching everything he's in.🤣🤣🤣 He's absolutey brilliant. Could listen to him for hours !!!! .... 💟💟💟
Yup me too!!
Enjoy. He's gay? Gosh, ... and? He can also spell.
So is Julie
Welcome to the club 😂
Your life will improve from this point on!!❤
Douglas hits the nail on the head with "it's a lot of nasty narcissism". And Julie makes sound points on the underlying misogyny of current gender idiocy.
Finally, someone mentioning mysogyny. It's the most under-mentioned subject.
Julie's got one record spinning her deck....misogyny....funny how the majority of people supporting the gender bs are female isn't it..#awkward
What IS Narcissim?
@@jackrainbow560 they control they self centered lie ruin peoples lives I married one
There is no bigger narcissists than gay males.
Thanks Douglas and Julie for calling out this BS. Great discussion.
I want to hear her on every newscast
No kidding. And hats off to him for pointing out how these ball-less wackos always go after women for holding those views.
@@MelC-td9bg Julie Bindel is a radical feminist misandrist. She's as ideological as it gets. People disagreeing with you has nothing to do with sex.
When will Bindel call out feminist BS? Probably never.
"You're boringly straight. And that's fine. Some of my best friends are straight." Douglas Murray is always a joy to listen to. I almost expected him to say the Seinfeld quote; "Not that there's anything wrong with it."
Julie and Douglas had the bast banter. And they nailed every point.
Two highly intelligent articulate human beings. Thank you Julie and Douglas.
Bindel is an unhinged dangerous radical TERF, as unhinged as the trans-activists.
Julie is a feminist loon who hates men.
Only one
I was on the very first London Pride march in 1972 - things were very different in those days - many of us wore suits, and there was none of this deplorable exhibitionism.
Grooming began: "It was a march from Hyde Park to Trafalgar Square in central London protesting against the UK’s unequal age of consent: 16 for heterosexuals, but 21 for gay men. “One way we protested was to kiss each other in Hyde Park,” Brown remembers."
You were marching to promote tolerance and acceptance. What is happening now is a concerted premeditated attempt to undermine the concept of heteronormativity, using you as social armour , so they can cry “ homophobe “ or “ Transphobe “ when they meet understandable resistance from people objecting to their children being subjected to deliberately subversive and indoctrinating queer theory .
@@nuqwestr "grooming"?
@@nuqwestr How is that grooming, so much as an end to hypocrisy?
Back then there was actually something to fight for. As a straight woman I know this.
Julie and Douglas should have their own show! I could watch them for hours 😂
Totally agree , Murray is an intellectual savage and Julie is fantastic 😅
That would be very good.
Count me in as a subscriber, I love them both! I thinks it’s wonderful that they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, yet somehow I end up agreeing with almost everything they say.
Me too
YES!
This conversation was so enlightening for me. I’m a straight white female. It helped me to understand the madness and pure idiocy that is happening in the lgbt blah blah blah. I’m going to share this video with my family and friends to help them understand the madness. Thank you for having this conversation and hope to see you both together to push this information to the masses. Perspective is what we need, the underlying principles and truth behind this insanity is what we need.
That last line. Douglas you are a treasure. Julie i truly enjoyed everything you had to say. What a wonderful conversation.
I could listen to Douglas Murray & Julie Bindell All DAY!! ..... You cannot beat PURE Common Sense .....
Kudos to Lukas who just sat back & let Julie & Douglas riff on this topic without interruption.
Indeed I appreciate it when the hosts let their guests actually talk. It's always much more interesting especially with guests like Douglas Murray.
Exactly my thought. The counterpart of Napoleon's saying 'never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake' is 'never interrupt your friend when they're talking sense'.
Seriously. Excellent interviewer and listener.
@@veritas4698 The Spectator does this style very well. Long may it continue
@@LeviNotik Agreed. He was listening intensely and I feel he'll go a long way.
I'm a straight white male Christian Patriot.....and Douglas Murray makes up a significant part of my "spirit animal".
This conversation has been an absolute pleasure to watch. I'm a straight white guy and I've been around gay and lesbian folks throughout my life. It's been refreshing to get viewpoints on the LBQTblahblahblah from people who know what the struggles homosexual people went through and what nonsense identity politics is in this day and age. Bravo to Julie and Douglas. An absolute pleasure!
Stonewall was in 1969. We're living in 2024 - the caravan has long passed.
As a lesbian, I love this piece and I am glad that Julie and Douglas are around to be the role models for lesbians and gay men so absent in the present generation.
As a straight male WASP, I agree.
@@TheWhitehiker WASP?
@@bobclark6703 White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
@@bobclark6703 where are you from, bob?
@@bobclark6703 In the United States, White Anglo-Saxon Protestants or WASPs is a sociological term which is often used to describe white Protestant Americans who are generally part of the white upper-class, historically mostly Mainline Protestant elite, though definitions may vary;[2][3] typically or most consistently, White Anglo-Saxon Protestants are of British descent.[ Wikipedia. I was there as a legal alien when the term was coined.
I had a gay couple as neighbors in the 80's. They had been together for 17 years at that time. The 2nd or 3rd year of the local pride parade, the 3 of us decided to go. Neither of us had been before. When the guys saw the half naked people marching in the parade, Jeff said, "Let's go, this is a damn embarrassment and will do nothing to help with how people see us" That was the last pride parade I attended.
@@wideye2901 …The event probably triggered more anti-gay feelings than any other. When I briefly saw it, I immediately thought the same and left in disgust shortly afterward, feeling that it was likely more harmful to the gay community than helpful. As Douglas rightly points out, it reflects a massive and quite fundamental lack of taste. It also reflects a profound and narcissistic disregard for the emotions of others.
So sorry my love. This is horrible.
My husband and I wld go for a walk w/ kids on a popular street, we didn't know it was Pride Parade. We stayed. I liked the footwear..it was a good vibe, nothing obscene, a lot of leather but so what. I was glad when gay ppl were given same rights as straight married ppl. But at that time, everyone stayed in their lane. My 6 yr old daughter disliked the colors GAP for kids had for girls, pale blue, pink, lavender, she'd go pick out a hoody from " boys " side, colors- navy, red, green. A salesperson said oh sweetie, your clothes r over there, and I said, she can wear whst color she wants. She wanted to be in boxing. So I put her in boxing. She's a gorgous high maintenance ($$,) nails, long streaked blonde hair, gorgous, who's been with same guy 7 yrs. She's straight, has gay friends. Oh and she's a roofer. I don't believe in gender colors, toys, (btw, she can carry the 70lb loads) but I do think men are bigger, stronger, faster, and that a man is king of his castle. She does the cooking/ cleaning, and pays half the rent. There's so many, if u watch y/ t, entitled young women, I can't wait til they're 30, I'm 55. I'm invisible, but, I had my day in the sun, now it's my daughters turn. They both hsve conservative, but open minded, loving ❤️ 's. I'm really proud of them. If one were to be gay, I'd love her the same. I wish ppl cld just stop being crazy, and the new teaching kids they can b this or that, I detest. Let them figure it out. Just stop. Please.
@freebird1477 I mean, I get that most people have their subjective standards of "decency" and there are vague laws related to one's appearance and behavior in public, but the kneejerk negativity to a joyful celebration is unfortunate... I'm wondering if there isn't an overall pendulum shift occurring among the vocal masses in reaction to the mainstreamification of various culturally "left" causes such as gay and trans rights, accompanied by a perceived overreach and authoritarian tendency. I'm a far lefty myself and identify with your approach. But I'm noticing something like this going on that most leftists haven't been open to honestly addressing.
@eemoogee160 I'm not a lefty anymore, I'm more + more convinced that the less govt interference in our daily affairs is best, big govt= big $$$, and I believe most govts of western world are WEF puppets. I believe in equality, for all, but not equity. I find it offensive + racist. The pride parades were lgb, I'm sure we've always had transppl in our midst, but it wasn't this " a man can claim he feels like a woman and b recognized as such" Evrn tho he is clearly a man. Or if they do dress as women, it's caricature, w/ overdone terrible makeup, sleazy clothes, I think those hate women. And somehow, I sorta blame feminists for their b.s. claim thst women can do anything men can do, it's been turned on it's head and women are being wiped out. The biggest problem to me, is the garbage that started in universities , ppl warching/ believing the lies on TV, and the worst, the lie they tell children that they can choose to b a boy or a girl. And the underhanded way the sex clinics have gotten away w/ no parental consulting. Idk what I would do if my 16 yr old daughter came home after having had top surgery. I can't post it here. It's those things that upset me, about the trans, + transwomen in sports. I don't want to dislike any group of ppl, but that one seems so clearly a lie/ threat/ , and I can't believe anyone supports such evilness.
I am a 43 year old straight man, who stood (literally) arm-in-arm with my gay friends in the 90s. At times, we stood around them because people wanted to beat them. We have all fought so bloody hard, and accomplished so much to get to a place where homosexuality was finally accepted in society. The "alphabet people" have torn that apart and act in a way that is an insult to everything that was done. They are creating intolerance toward the LGBT community; hatred has increased toward the community. The arguments and accusations made are a slap in the face to every gay man, lesbian, etc that went before them.
Julie, I am a white, male, middle class heterosexual and I think you are great. Keep up the good work.
How delightful! Sensible people with a sense of humour. Excellent episode.
It's such a breath of fresh air in this insane world we live in.
Nothing but a hate fest.
@@myi2433 in what way?
@@myi2433 I'm gay and I agree 100% LGB✂TQIA+
@@myi2433 ah yes, the old ;"I disagree, therefore it's hate /toxic/dangerous" point. Exactly the perspective we should be laughing at.
Who knew Bindle and Murray were the comedy duo we have needed all along!
:D
What a delight! Listening to such smart people is so wonderful and refreshing.
Every time Douglas Murray opens his mouth, verbal pearls drop out. He is just brilliant and SO pragmatically well-spoken.
"bi now, gay later!" Douglas you crack me up man. 😂😂😂
"Everybody is suspicious of bisexuals" ... and rightly so! :)
@@karloliver3937 Confusion.
@@karloliver3937Never understood why.
You're not a celebrity, you're just gay. Best quote ever. Narcissism abounds.
Absolutely true!
Loved his take on boring heterosexuals trying to be 'special.' What happened to becoming notable with hard work and dedication to a cause, or just being a good neighbor, parent or pillar in the community, if you want that kind of attention? But those types of people - the ones actually doing stuff - are not usually narcissists and don't care about the notoriety. Oh the irony.
@@TheMary0831 The left always eats its own.They don't like the outcomes of the movement they started.
Appreciate Douglas and had no idea he was gay. Thank you Douglas for your sublime presentation comprised of your intellect and not sexual identity. So appreciated!
YES, YES, YES!!!! 36 glorious minutes of absolute SANITY!!!
I'm grateful to be living in the same time as Douglas Murray. He's a wonder to listen to and his eloquence is only outshined by his intellect.
It's certainly a pleasure to hear him let fly! 😊
100% agree
I agree. A blessing indeed.
I'd say 95% of it is his dialect. Still a smart guy, obviously.
Wow, how refreshing....as a straight, conservative man distraught over events of recent years, thanks for this sober exchange!!
Douglas and Julie's conversation was excellent. Such a great combination and cudos to the host/interviewer. Very well done 😊
I want a two-hour buddy cop movie with Julie and Douglas where they have to put aside their differences and solve a political mystery together. Get on it!!!
It'd be hilarious
Yes!!!
Hahaha brilliant 😂
I agree!❤❤
Ooh yes! ❤️👍
Not everyone needs a podcast but I think Douglas and Julie need one, that was insightful, spicy and hilarious.
Julie has onw
I'll agree with that. His books are fantastic even though they're more than a little depressing.
@@stephenthomas1492 Yes, the truth of where we are now in “the West” is depressing.
These two were great to listen to
@@TimelordUK Julie Bindel hates men. She's a radical feminist bigot.
As a young woman in the 1980’s clubbing in London, would go with my gay male friends to Heaven and certain bouncers on the door would say “no tuna tonight’ if they didn’t want to let you in. There’s always been a gay element that doesn’t like women.
Julie & Douglas, are rocks of sense. These two people are great to listen to. Thanks for sharing.
I think it was a very important point to make that trans-critical men like Douglas don't get anywhere near the threats and harassment that trans-critical women like Julie do, and I applaud him for bringing that to the fore. Trans activism is rooted in deeply held misogyny, and they prove it time and time again.
Women have zero boundaries and limits and society doesnt hold them back from going after children. There are literally 28 year old women who "identify" as gay, trying to shame, humiliate and groom gay boys into having sex with them. Pretty sure AGP's arent allowed to do that, but ok.
Demonizing men and deifying women leads to resentment.
I took to task a government agency for talking about cis and trans middle schoolers. I got attacked for weeks by the alphabet clown car.
*@Stacey A* - Misogyny? Take note, that it's been mainly men and straight men at that, who have been loudly defending women regarding this gender insanity.
@@MarekzAngliiBut it hasn't. At least not here in Europe
Love Douglas Murray's wit, dry humour and above all- no nonsense, common sense!! He doesn't suffer fools.
“You’re boringly straight, and that’s fine. Some of my best friends are straight. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. I think we should all live and let live.”
Love a good healthy discussion that addresses current affairs with insight, dignity and respect. The humour is just the cherry on top and truly keeps it real 🍒
Is it just me or is Douglas Murray as funny as a stand up comic? I'm literally laughing out loud listening to him
Douglas does what comedians are supposed to do - he points out absurdity.
@Zaranski III Bindel's jab towards the LGHDTVetc. letter combination was also perfect.
he's much funnier!
His delivery and timing are impeccable
@@tubetorpedo yeah that made me lol
How amazing would it be to share a drink with Douglas and Julie? Sensible grown ups with a principled approach to what same sex attracted people are actually about. What a good interview 🥂
What a great idea!
I could just listen to them talk all day.
It would be fantastic
Yes please!
Queer was always a negative word and, for a lot of us, still is. Thanks to Douglas n Julie for speaking truth.
Thank you both. We need conversations like this at every university in the west.
That was brilliant! Julie and Douglas should team up and take their delightful show on the road. 🎉
The Anti-LGTBQIAA2S+ Gay Bandwagon Tour!
That was truly an amazing conversation, I'm not being hyperbolic. 2 political opposites, and I agree with every word.
They can call it: We're transphobes but we're smart and funny.
@@myi2433 in what way? And given the dangers of 'trans' ideology why shouldn't ppl be 'transphobic' in that sense ... but calling ppl with whom you disagree names like 'transphobic' or 'TERF; doesn't enlighten anyone - what is your particular issue? If you call me a chicken does that make me a chicken? Please explain how Julie and Douglas's views are harmful or threatening to ppl with gender dysphoria and/or call themselves 'trans'? We/you are entitled to our own views on laws, safeguarding and free speech - even if we inevitably disagree. Sex is binary, 2+2 still equals 4, 'gender' is a religion I do not believe in which you wish to make compulsory, it seems to me. Sorry but I'm an atheist.
@@myi2433 Namecalling is one thing, criticising with rational points is another - if you have no argument than namecalling, you have no argument, sry.
Murray and Bindel are fantastic voices of sanity. They're from opposite ends of the political spectrum, and are an absolute breath of fresh air!
Julie seems to play up the Feminist victim narrative pretty hard. (Misogyny everywhere) Doesn't give me confidence in her arguments.
@ardvark8699 Yes, Julie Bindel is insufferable. But then again, she's a radical feminist so I expect nothing less.
@@ardvark8699 Exactly. She helped birth this monster that has turned to bite the hand that fed it. Irony has been lost on these people.
@@ardvark8699 Right back to Douglas Murray's words. He has the same views but you attack her.
@@ardvark8699 That was fast. And the next comment I read leaving here is a gay male calling out the misogyny. He gets praise though.
This is how a conversation should be held, A+
Good lord, Douglas is hilarious, and Julie was great as well. “Love wins.” 😄😄 I adore watching him. This was a great discussion.
Calling Owen Jones Talcum X is hilarious 😂
That was a good one.
Don't know who he is, but I loved that and got the point for sure. LOL.
Owen Jones the wealthy privileged middle class "socialist" who speaks on behalf of the working classes who can't stand him 😂
Douglass Murray is a gentleman.
he is also a gay gentleman! so he knows all about the LGBTs, and the nonsense of the trans
@@dedede9664 yes absolutely
But he can also bring the salt with absolute elegant perfection.
@@tracieh215 absolutely he has an air of Bond villain but the more I listen to him, the more I’m convinced he speaks with conviction and integrity. I’m a lefty on the whole but his arguments are compelling
He is hot.
What a treat to watch two great minds interest and amuse one another . This is great ! I wish they had their own podcast , they should be heard .
Their ability to see through the clutter and eloquently make their points is a breath of fresh air.
Douglas and Julie should have their own show.
My thoughts exactly!
I would watch every episode!
I would pay to watch that! Despite being on opposite ends of the political spectrum, they both demonstrate how to debate - with insight, evidence and respect.
I love Douglas Murray. I am 63 & a gay male. Decades ago I was frowned upon , harassed & even physically threatened for “ not being gay enough !”by other gay men;my response at that time ? “Looking at you lot . I’m okay with that” . Forty years later , I’m still okay with that .
Good for you. Be yourself. Mob mentality is always bad
@@kate60 I don’t do group anything
I think most people, whatever their sexual orientation just want to quietly get on with their lives.
@@mignoncat1 Very wise
@@angelawhitehouse8066 As it should be. Good character is what matters.
Could listen to these two speak all day. Common sense in the face of madness. I'm straight and have been sick of pride getting pushed on people for about 20 years. Absolutely ridiculous.
Murray's comment about "a new mysogeny" is spot on and calling out the gay desire for celebrity . If it's so normal why are they abnormally obsessed with being the centre of attention?
There are many introverted gays too. They’re not a monolith.
Well done Lukas for allowing two fascinating and witty people to just converse without interruption.
Julie Bindel is a radical feminist misandrist. She's as ideological as it gets.
Yes!
Someone being complimented for not saying anything always strikes me as mildly insulting lol
@@brittybee6615 on the contrary, it's refreshing to see someone (for want of a better phrase) "know their place" and do what they're there to do without inserting themselves unnecessarily... Far too few these days seem capable of it, it's definitely praise.
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I love Douglas. Great discussion. The world should be listening to this.
I could listen to him all day...
I really warmed to Julie in this. I had my differences with her but she puts up a strong perspective she had an axe to grind on this one, but she was fair in everyway. Douglas was effotlessly himself. Witty, intelligent, articulate and to the point
I am a heterosexual man, who adores women and I love being that. However, Douglas Murray NEVER fails to impress me. I love to watch him destroy idiots in debates. When folks are foolish enough to go up against him, they take a penknife to a gunfight. He is a very smart and well-educated wordsmith. I watch him at every opportunity. He is a person who knows exactly who he is and displays his comfort in that fact SOOOO eloquently.
I completely agree with you. Douglas is top notch.
I just think he comes across as an arrogant twat.
Are you sure you're a heterosexual man?
I’ve always liked Douglas Murray, speaking as an Irish gay man and Irish Catholic Patriot in the U.K. 21 years - we will be having “pride” here in Manchester in August and I aim to be as far away from it as possible
@@beatonthedonis Abso-freakin- loot-lee. Would care to challenge.
As Dave Rubin said: 'I have nothing against homosexuals, my husband is one' Fantastic quote.
stolen from Andrew Doyle but still a great quote
Rubin never had an original thought😂
Amen Amen Amen to each of you for common sense, truth, and delivering the message calmly and logically ❤
Douglas has a magnificent brain. A pleasure to listen to his thoughts. 👌🏻
"Sorry Love, you're not a Celebrity, you're just Gay" 😂🎉❤
It's such a delight listening to Douglas Murray & Julie Bindel. Killer combo. Much appreciated.
Listening to and comprehending those issues while Lukas Degutis on the screen is counterproductive, he is wayyyy too beautiful and distracts me in a very non-"A-Romantic" manner 😍
I would absolutely watch Julie and Douglas if they had their own show together.
This is such a great video, two homosexuals talking about how much they hate pride and think the whole movement is ridiculous. As a black person who thinks BLM is a load of BS I completely relate.
Fascinating conversation. Two great minds. The Pride flag flies outside my husband's place of work the Fire Service. The Union flag has been repaced for the 'holy' month. Please make it stop 🛑
I was behind a guy in Santander (or Abbey National, as I still call it) yesterday and he was having a rant to a cashier about the panto dames reading to young children in schools. He had been set off by all the Pride flags decorating the place. She said there was nothing she could do about it, but understood how he felt. He apologised as he was leaving, but said he had been ''triggered''. We are going to be seeing and hearing more of this...
If it’s the ‘progress’ flag, they need planning permission to fly it. The old-fashioned 6 stripe rainbow flag doesn’t.
He sounds like a bigot and a danger to everyone, the last sort of person we should wish to hear any more from
I have a lot of respect for Julie and Douglas, so much so I joined the LGB alliance.
More Julie & Douglas- brilliant & hilarious ! !
Douglas Murray is extremely funny. In a saner world he'd be on prime time TV.
😂 He wouldn’t be on the BBC, they’d be absolutely terrified that he’d say something sensible !
The only place that would take him would be Fox News! 🙃
Him and Julie make a great team.give them their own show.
@@1978mcduff GB News would probably love to have him. I think he did some stuff for them.
Regarding themselves as "celebrities" and the straight majority as the "audience" who only exist to admire them exactly describes the "narcissistic "pride" movement. As usual Douglas hits the nail firmly on the head.
That is the truth. It's now a very Narcissistic community constantly wanting attention. It used to be about demonstrating for equal rights but now the whole movement has been sabotaged by all the others letters other than LGB. "Pride" celebrations to me, are embarrassing. Blatant displays of nudity and sexuality in public is not my idea of pride, our sexuality should be private. I also have a right to my political opinions without being chastised by the extreme leftist woke mafia.
In short , pride schmide . The White House, to the POTUS's eternal shame and discredit,. has a pride flag hung beween two American flags, and the pride colors in lights across the buiding. And today there was a pride party with dozens of badly dressed creeps and several trannies, cavorting on the WH lawn. The White House lawn! One despairs....
I could listen to Douglas Murray for hours 👍🏻
Douglas is not just a brilliant commentator, but an excellent humourist.
He's wonderfully sarcastic!
And Douglas Murray can also be wrong as well! The Brown and the Black that have been added to the rainbow flag do NOT represent "the browns people" but a sexual 'diversity' called scatting, and the black stands for necrophilia.
@@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164i'm pretty sure there are people who get offended by such sarcasm...
@@MeowingCat835 I certainly hope so!
@@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 i mean, nowadays people get offended on everything... Say Jim is fat? Ew, now you're fatphobic! Say you don't want to date transgender man? Eeewwww, transphobic! Your daugther plays with trucks? Let's chop off her breasts and change her vulva to penis? Scary!
I'll never give to Oxfam again after what their workers did in Haiti
What happened?
It is so nice to see people with different political views that can still agree with one another and not categorically disagree to everything the other say, just because they do not have the same view of everything else!
What a brilliant conversation. I'm heterosexual with many lovely gay, straight and lesbian friends. One gay man I often have a wee cry about is Alan Turing. A genius and such a waste of a magnificent life.
I would have happily watched Douglas & Julie speak for hours - fantastic, sane, wickedly funny voices! More please 🙏
It was too short wasn’t it. Could have easily broken a KZhead vid record and sat for 10 hours listening to them ❤️🧠
Bindel is a man-hating feminist harpy of the worst kind. She is easily as bad as the trans lobby.
Funny voices???
It was great that the Spectator had the common-sense to allow a much longer discussion than they normally do.
They are from Europe.
How can you not love Douglas Murray?
You’re kidding me. He’s nasty, he’s arrogant, he’s actually quite uneducated
I can't not love him!
This is such an excellent conversation and im very glad that its being had