Toyota's "BABY" coupe is getting the green light // Finally a Mazda MX-5 Miata Rival!?
2024 ж. 29 Сәу.
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#Toyota #supra #mazda #miata #mx5 #sfr #coupe
Toyota is bringing another coupe to the market according to sources in Japan. Here's the S-FR, a pint sized #rwd #savethemanuals coupe with #turbo power.
Source:
bestcarweb.jp/
Toyota acting like it's still the 90s, and I'm here for it
They should, since right now the 90's baby are the one that can afford the cars
@@hazzatihazzatifacts
As long as they make it big enough for Doug Demuro tall Americans, I'm in. That's the only reason I don't have a NA Miata.
It certainly helps that the former president/CEO & current chairman is an avid racer who partakes in stuff like the 24h of Nurburgring even at the age of _67_ and talks about how cars should be fun to drive. It's nice to know there's a company out there that's actually run by somebody passionate about cars, and isn't just a soulless exec who only cares about the bottom line.
@@waffleninja1000 I'm 6ft and fit in a NA no problem.
So excited that Toyota is continuing to invest in enthusiast cars! Hopefully the price is reasonable
Only because Toyota has the money to do so and they are smart enough to keep these vehicles at a low volume in order to keep demand high.
There’s just no way that Toyotas going to have a next gen Supra and GR86 , and bring back the MR2, Celica, and Starlet. It’s gotta be one way or the other.
@@chezzyperson3339 The Supra is going to have a top level insane version in a few years and then go out for a bit. If an actual MR2 happens it will be with Porsche. the next gen 86 could be a celica. I doubt we will see Starlet, but it would be awesome if we did.
@@Xander1Sheridan I'd take a porsche engine over a subaru engine
Like 1000 people will buy this car
That Toyota literally looks like a miniature version of the new Z
I said the exact same thing not that that's a bad thing
I 3rd it
I found it crazy how nobody mentioned it
Toyota killing the car game
@@naveenthemachine They're selling more than those two manufactures combined, Naveen.
They always been nothing new here except they killed the car game with boring cars back then
It looks like a mini new Z
@@naveenthemachineyea at getting stolen.
@@naveenthemachine yea not buy them
I love small cars. That said, I'm just excited to hear of a sporty car that's not electric or hybrid.
Or European👍🏻
i prefer gas powered sport cars
Why would you not want a hybrid sports car. A car with the torque of a v8 and mpg of an inline 4 sounds like the dream.
@@morebrainmoregains3234 too many problems.. hybrid cost more, it gots more moving parts that can break down meaning higher maintenance costs, and a hybrid feels like a leech on the gas engine and i just don't like leeches
@@badboy-gn8fu the opposite actually. EPA regulations have gotten so strict at this point, they're adding so much bullshit in cars to make them compliant. They're not the simple NA engines of pre-2010 era anymore, they're extremely neutered and they need turbochargers which will 100% cause issues as plastics get brittle and crack. Hybrids on the other hand are much more simpler than a turbocharged ICE car. Its pretty much a generator attached to the motor. They don't even need alternators and starters. Toyota's ecvts don't have clutches and are fully mechanical so they are extremely reliable. Their batteries are on its 5th generation, so they've gotten rid of majority of the issues with their batteries. You should watch "Care care nut" video on hybrids. He goes in depth on why hybrids are the best now.
The Fiat 124 Spider (2016-2019) was a Miata built in Hiroshima. So Mazda has done twins before.
2017-2020 model years in the US.
Ah yes the Fiata
Mazda designed that car on its own still, and just let Fiat copy it's homework without making it look too obvious. I don't think they want Toyota calling any shots & Toyota is known to want control whenever they get involved after the Toyota Cavalier debacle. That said the Scion iM or Corolla iM was a reskined Mazda 2 or Mazda Demio, so who knows that might still leave room for Toyota reskining a Mazda in the future What Toyota needs to do is to partner with Mazda for the next Supra since Mazda has newly developed Twin Turbo Inline 6 powerplants. Plus Mazda styling that stays far more timeless then most these other brands is a trait that Supra fans expect & only the "Japanese Alfa Romeo"(AKA Mazda) seems to still be able to deliver on. If we suddenly see Toyota buy up more Mazda shares we can suspect some sort of collaboration underway, it's what they did with Subaru
If I remember correctly, Fiat used its own engine.
Yes they looked good but had Fiat running gear with turbo engine...buyer beware.
Bring back the Celica!!!
@BrianEugeneLee-xq2hy legislation 🤷🏿
@BrianEugeneLee-xq2hy can you really blame Toyota when BS government trying to force car manufacturers to be fully EVs? You're lucky we still in the era where they still sell ICE
If they bring back the Celica, make it sit above or below the Supra, make the MR2 as well to sit wherever tbh, but yeah
@@bradwhite5884 there isn't enough room beneath the supra for the MR2, celica, gr86 and this s-fr.(unfortunately) edit. plus the gr yaris and gr corolla
@@eugenux The S-FR and the MR2 would be below the GR86 as they are small compact sports cars, the Celica could be above the Supra as a higher version of the Supra, so there
with fuel prices rising and 80s-90s kids becoming old enough to buy/ afford cars like these, a super small toyota performance car is the perfect car atm
You know what this is, it's a reboot of the Sports 800. That one that's based on the Publica that looks like a mini 2000GT.
To be fair, a 2000GT is a small car by most standards
Toyota is on fire
Eh not really, this looks a tad boring, almost like a Mini New Z. the rear needs a little work
@@xXVibrantSnowXx 😂 glass half empty? Any car manufacturer who invests in making an affordable driver's car deserves praise!
@@mofayeryou'd say that, but drivers who would actually buy it would probably just go "Ehhh.... Imma buy another Miata instead."
@@PlatinumNath maybe not, maybe yes, maybe maybe. ..maybe.
@@xXVibrantSnowXx The looks are not why we are exited about this car, but everything else!
The Pontiac Solstice was actually insanely popular and far exceeded Pontiac's expectations. It only went away because Pontiac itself was closed by GM.
I still see solstices all over the road. Cant say the same for other cars
I completely forgot about that car! The only way i knew about it was midnight club la 🤩
Kirk, Yesterday was the first time in a long time I did not bring up the mythical Toyota S-FR when you wanted to talk about a Miata . 😉😉 I am too tall for the Miata so I hope I can fit in the S-FR. We are desperately short of sub-compact hatches let me be the first to D-E-M-A-N-D the return of the affordable Starlet to our market. 🥳🥳🥳🥳
The Solstice/Sky suffered from GM parts bin cost cutting. It felt like they made the car larger than originally intended to make room for Malibu parts. And from marketing pushing the Solstice despite the Sky being better looking and it being easier to get a Sky with the upgraded engine.
Nah, solstice was better looking, more unique, sky was kind of ugly tbh.
Thanks for the details! Answered all of my questions!
Toyota had their own Miata, it’s called MR2 Spyder.
Miata coupe is the answer we never got. Rigidity rules
Miata hatch or shooting break or whatever you wanna call an mgb gt version of a Miata
Verts are cool though
@@lohostege they are but also much less serious.
Nah, soft top all the way
@@lukepatten8308 nah. Torsional rigidity > vanity
Toyota did the landcruiser in an 80s design and it sold really well. I'd love to see them come out with 80s and 90s design cars. Light weight and boosted
About dam time!!! I have been waiting for this since thwy brang the concept SFR our originally.
I'm hoping this car doesn't negatively impact the chances of us getting a new MR2.
This basically confirms the new MR2 is moving more upmarket.
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 unfortunately.
I don't care about the new MR2 this or the MR2 does well enough for me.
As a miata owner i am so F-ing happy a direct competitor is comming soon. Fr, light weight, no power bebe😎 Wish it was na engine but what the hay
This is going to be strange 🤨 the GR86 is honestly already the miata competitor starting at 29k almost identical to the starting price of the Miata. So this new baby coupe has to be around 24k? Which is never going to happen lol
Yeah the title is a bit click-baity, this is more comparable as a Kei car, it's more like a competitor to the Honda S660
Next gen GR86 is rumored to have the GR Yaris engine which will most likely raise the price and keep it from being a MX5 competitor
@@InitialD.MFGhost that cannot be as the MR2 and celica are rumoured to have the gr yaris engine; they cannot put the same engine in 5 cars(gry, gr corolla, mr2, celica and gr86). What I believe actually will happen is that this s-fr is the gr86 replacement; smaller in size to make room for the larger but, still beneath supra, MR2. I don't know where they will put celica in this lineup but yeah, it is what it is. edit. with this s-fr added to the current and future lineup, it will add up to 6 cars, all within almost the same space..and that's not possible, unfortunately.
@@eugenux six sports cars is a lot to have in today’s market. Then again these are all just rumors so not all of them will make it to production. But this is a good problem to have if you’re a car enthusiast.
@@InitialD.MFGhost absolutely!, what I do believe is that toyota will have a 3 car sports car lineup(replacement of the current '86, mr2 and supra or supra replacement) + some sorts of hot hatchbacks arrangements(corolla and the (wrc)yaris).
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada as I'm 6'4 a convertible doesn't make sense for myself thanks for sharing this video
Yea ir does.. you can remove the roof..
This is amazing to hear man. I’m just glad someone at Toyota still cares for enthusiasts
Nice Future for Petrolheads. Nice Cars for Us. I love the Starlet and the S-FR. Both are awesome. I like them. Well done Toyota you are working for the Petrolheads.Yes.
Kirk, I just found your channel the other day. I LOVED your review of the new Miata. I have a 23 Mercedes C300 cabriolet that I love, however I am now thinking of ADDING a Miata to my fleet. You really made the video fun, and have to admit that the car got me a bit wet... Ops, I should edit that... hahaha. Love the humor.
Will definitely be adding this to the collection.
as someone who grew up a nissan fanboy toyota has been leading the pack by far i love my 2019 86 its my daily rn im hoping i can pick up a cheap frs as a project or a lx450/70 as a new daily, i got a good deal on my 86 with super low mileage so i want to keep it forever
I love the mx-5 but I really love small sports cars in general. cant wait to have more competition and variety on the market
🎯 Agreed. Competition is a beautiful thing.
This had better be coming to America....and in Yellow.
mmm... I'd most likely be buying one if that was the case
Will be interesting to see if it does. The economy is in the toilet and these are almost always going to be second cars.
150Hp in a light car with decent torque is all most of the world needs. Anything 'sporty' is seen as a luxury car in many places. A GT86 is rare where I am due to the price , insurance and "displacement tax for anything over (usually 2.0litres)" .If the power goes up on this, it will only be widely sold in East Asia, North America and the parts of Europe that isn't EV crazy. I hope it is around 150hp. Modify it yourself after the fact. The more you ask of a manufacturer, the higher the initial price and fewer people globally who would have a chance to own one..even second hand.
Yeah, why did most of the world Complain about this with the GT86 when it first came out? 200hp and barely 1200kg with an out of the box almost perfect handling character and an infinity of modding potential. The torque dip was on the factory tune for good fuel economy on the highway. It was the companies attempt of giving an all-round package. Some people are so fucking stupid.
My 91 Lotus has a 1.6 turbo and weighs in at around 2300 lbs with and with 165 HP it can 0 - 60 in about 5.5 seconds, so this car is probably fine at 150 HP if they can keep the weight down to 2100 lbs. I wouldn't be surprised if they bumped up the HP closer to 200 for North America though just for the target market.
Wait.. A new car coming out that's not an electric SUV? I mean, a 1.3turbo doesn't exactly get me out of bed but the very fact that it's not another euro shape electric SUV is something to be grateful for!
So did you forget about the Corolla gr? 1.6L 3 banger with 300hp?
@@FinancialFreedom-sq8srThey should put that engine on this new car
Put the koenigseggggggg 3 cyl in it at 600 bhp 😂
for the "mx5 formula" that you claim hasnt been replicated, the mx5 isnt a new concept, it was literally based off of the lotus elan, which in turn was a part of the masisvely successful "small british sportscar/roadster" industry, which then spawned other car companies to try to join in. Honda did the same thing with the S2000 being based on the Caterham/Lotus 7. it will be good for competition as you say though, the last 20 years has really only seen companies either make cheap cars in this sector and struggle to make them en masse, or make more expensive ones and just be small expensive track toys or summer cars (think what lotus has been doing, the jaguar F type, etc). The last one was probably the mid engined MR2 which was killed off because toyota was in their "boring" phase of the 2000s and early 2010s, followed by their slow reintroduction in to the scene with the 86/brz project? im also not counting the new Fiat 124 because while somewhat successful, that was just an ND mx5 with a better engine. We can hope that if suzuki is making a roadster, they finally put the Hayabusa engine in a sports car... Maybe toyota can do the same with a yamaha engine, or just give it the full fat 1.6 inline 3 from the gr yaris.
So many good cars, and I love a 2x2 for my stuff and that emergency ride for the hitch hiker
Suzuki would make banks if they bring Jimny to the US right now. :(
I own a 01 miata. Ill be excited to see these new small cars. The ND miata is great as well!
Waiting scene 2015, what's another year or two. Especially if the payoff is worth the wait. Is a wire head the EV equivalent to a gear head?
Loving Toyota and Hyundai recently for getting on the enthusiasts’ side. Hope it pays off for them!
This would be amazing... I was looking at miatas and similar smaller sports cars lately... thinking maybe get one in the next year or two.
hell yeah, hoping for more small/medium sized simple and cheap sports cars. If it's not in manual I'm getting my pitchfork
Yamaha was showing a little coupe concept, the sportsride... thar was cooool
I think it was the concept they did with Gordon Murray; unfortunately, Yamaha's board changed and they didn't want to take the risk, although, the project was ready for production.
It’s a very exciting time to be a Toyota fan!
I love my ND2, but it's hard to deny how interesting a car 200lbs lighter sounds to me, especially with enough torque down low to play with traction at slower speeds. Sounds fun! If it did come out, it could get me into a new car, especially if it feels somewhat analog compared to other cars on the market like the ND does.
downside to turbo though is lag and short redline. I had a Civic Si that had a 1.5 T w/ manual and hated it. It took a second for the turbo to kick in, then it had an awesome 3k rpm of grunt, but quickly ran out of steam at 5,500 rpm. shift, lag, 3k rpm power, cutoff, shift. ND2 driving experience is way better, the car pulls for 5k rpm.
243 hp isn't not enough, it's a sweet spot for a car that size and for a stock variant
I actually thought about this car today, they really listened to my thoughts
I’m all for Toyota giving people variety in automobiles
Getting strong Mini Cooper vibes
only the headlights
@@tinhinnhit's the whole front end
@@Xo-xz6viwhole front end looks more like the new Z
looks a bit like a fiat 124
That and the new Z. Looks like a hybrid of them.
People always say that the solstice/sky didn’t last long, as if the issue is with the cars and not the fact the the cars only died once GM killed Pontiac/Saturn.
My college had one when I studied automotive repair. It was just awful. It is a lot bigger and much dowdier than a Miata. Sitting in it was terrible. No comparison. (Not that it isn't fixable, but you shouldn't have to change the seats, shifter, steering wheel and who knows what else just to be able to stand being in a car. But that's a GM thing, they only make 'big' cars, so even the small cars are just the big car parts smooshed into a slightly smaller package)
1:42 Toyota already sells the Starlet in South Africa (also the Glanza in India). It's a rebadged Suzuki Baleno with a number of small displacement petrol and diesel engines and a 5 speed manual/4 speedautomatic transmission. BTW, the Yaris still exists outside North America, so I don't know why Toyota wants to make another subcompact hatchback for homologation.
especially since a starlet rally4 would be what..a rebodied gr yaris?, what the future gr4 celica would be...a coupe rebodied gr yaris? it is not clear to me what's going to happen with enthusiast cars by Toyota but, I am glad someone is still building cars for enthusiasts.
Looks soooooo DOPE
This is why I always been a Toyota fan even when certain people and haters in the car industry call Toyota the most boring car company. I always knew that wasn’t true now Toyota is finally taking the throne.
I know the S-FR is cool and all, but dang that Starlet looks good! Plus a potential Rally4 version of it as well? I can see that car as basically the FF/FWD version of the GR Yaris.
a starlet rally4 wouldn't just be a rebodied gr yaris?
@@eugenux A Rally4 is strictly 2WD with most of them using FWD configuration. Rally3 upwards is the one where you started seeing 4WD being used The reason the GR Yaris look the way it is now is because the rear end of the regular European Yaris chassis couldn't fit the new AWD system, hence Toyota built a Frankenstein of a Yaris chassis upfront & a Corolla chassis in the back.
Sporty cars doesn't need a ton of power. They just need to look nice and give good driving experience.
S-FR: the baby FR-S! I’m excited to see how this turns out!
This was genuinely a car I was excited for as soon as I first tried it on Gran Turismo. 1500cc of smooth NA power & a simple rounded uglyness that was somehow endearingly cute Now it's doing the same wannabe trendy thing of most brands unnecessarily adding lines & edges to what should've stayed simple clean more timeless curves. That and non-linear turbo power, and it's not even reasonably high power considering the inclusion of a real GR derived motor So it saddens me the one throwback classic simple lightweight car I was looking forward to might get have to get passed on, only redeeming news is the Starlet from left field just might tickle my fancy, we'll have to wait & see what it really boils down to come 2016 or so, but by then I might be in the market for something more grown up, it's been near a decade since first appearance, & every boy-racer has to grow up some day, a GR4 Corolla Rally Wagon perhaps the future holds
This car is in Gran Turismo 7 and with a few modifications in game it sounds like a friggin beast!!
so glad they're going forward with this design instead of shelving it forever NOW CALL IT THE MR2 TOYOTA
But the engine isnt behind the driver?
Toyota in their marvel phase 2 crossover title cars era can’t wait for their infinity war gr car
They need time make a TOP GR vehicle that’s making 600+ horsepower
The Sprint-Front Rear is gonna be sick!
Love a Miata, curious about this “competition”
Ohh I’m loving this all day long
daaaamn broo 1.3L turbo seems like a dream for economy and sporty feel! 6:38 also for us sensible persons, 22.5kgm is 220Nm (newton meters of force) so 148hp/220Nm actually puts it very close to my Colt Czt 2006(150hp/210Nm) and my dream car Swift Sport 2023(140hp/235Nm) definitely gonna be a fun competitor!
FINALY !❤❤❤❤
I love these little cars
YES YES
fan of the master chief helmet in back, and a fan of the toyota also haha
Finally what Toyota s-fr has been out for ages
S-FR, FR-S- clever Toyota ;) Reminds me of an MR2/MRS. Also, a car weighting 2100lbs with about 150hp would be plenty quick being so light 😎
Fuck yea Toyota, loving my Supra even though its a BMW. Would love to see new Celica /MR2's. We NEED small sports cars to come back.
so we went from FR-S to S-FR
This is epic, this is a real sports car, these are the most fun cars out there, way more fun then even 300k+ n 2 million dollar hypercars.
I'm right there with you wanting a lightweight roadster. The 1st company that builds a small car like this with a turbo hayabusa engine WINS 🏆!!
Toyota you never fail me
What about killing the supra, Celica, and MR2? I'm still sore about the MR2. I have a Fiata Abarth now and I've set it up utterly amazing. Ohh it is so much better than my MKI and MKIII MR2s I had. But it still have a place in my heart for them. I hated the cute look of my last one, just like I hate the kiddie smile of the Miata. All great cars tho. Esp when tuned!
@@SensibleChuckle they reacted to the market; it is us, the clients, who didn't want small sports cars anymore and instead asking for hatchbacks and SUVs.
@@eugenux no truer words said.
@@eugenuxnot true, people can usually only afford one car and are forced to pick a practical option, that doesn’t mean people don’t want them.
@@jacksmack6956 100% true; ppl are just lazy and say they want this and that but, when it is time to get the money out, they quickly return to the comfiest, roomiest, safest bet possible. If you are a true passionate, a true driver and driver a proper car on a proper piece of a back road or a canyon/mountain pass means something for you, then you'll do the compromise; but, as ever, ppl just say they are or that they like things; in truth, they simply adopt what the social norms are telling them to adopt, as well as what their real character tells them to purchase; i.e. 99.99% have zero interest in driving.
I may be able to get this after i graduate college, if it comes to the states of course
The S-FR, even with less than 200hp would be fine, as it will have good torque from low rpm being turbocharged. Just keep it under 2500 lbs, include 6spd manual and price it under the MX5.
Keep it cheap. $25K
I've raced this in grand turismo, it drives great lol.
I wanted new mr2 man i miss that car
What do you think of the new Honda prelude? Do you think it could be a competitor or do you think it fits a different market? Honda said it wasn’t going to be the sportiest, but I do love the way it looks.
looks lovely but it will be, for all intents and purposes, a fwd hybrid coupe, on the civic hybrid platform....which is also bigger in size than a 992, very close to the current 3 series; no small sports car, rwd, manual here.
I can only hope they make this and bring it to the states.
It looks like a Toyota 2000gt or Sports 800 from the 60s. So cool.
If it is a mid engine design like the S2000, then maybe it could be the next MR2 lol.
Toyota has had the best line up since 2019
I love that toyota is making all these cool cars but i hate how hard it is to get them in america
I saw a copen drive by yesterday in my city, it was SO small and cute. (I live in Costa Rica so san jose city)
What about Celica and MR2?
Am I wrong or is the GR86 not a miata rival? Seems super similar wheelbase, power to weight etc?
LOVE IT...DO IT TOYOTA ..... and I would sell both my 6spd 2022 MX5 and my 2023 7spd DSG GTI and have this as my only car......
The Miata has a 1.5L 130PS version in Japan, so I think this 1.3T 150PS competes with that. If they do introduce this to the international market it could of course get a different tune. But I don't think this will reach 240PS. This engine is supposed to be made as cheaply as possible and run on regular gas, so it won't quite reach the 187.5hp/L of the G16 which has a lot of expensive components to survive in rally conditions and only runs on 93. I think BestCar got the projected power from the more mundane turbocharged engines like the T24 or V35 (278hp/2.4L*1.3L=150hp).
I’m not sold on the styling if that’s accurate. To be honest, I’m hoping for an MR2. I don’t know how popular this SRF thing would be compared to the Miata to be honest.
Suzuki Cappuccino is awesome, i have had skylines, vr4 twin turbo v6 Mitsubishis, vl turbos, and many more but the Suzuki Cappuccino is the mlst enjoyable car i have ever owned.
The 1.6t is like tuned to the max and overheats like mad at temperatures above freezing. Pretty sure they dont need to tune it to that level since it will have better power delivery.
I've played around with an different version of it in GT7, its pretty nuts.
If they made the Starlet FR, I'd immediately want one... lol
Isn't the GR-86 already kinda a Miata fighter? I get it's not really a convertible. But it's already a small, driver focused car. I'm not sure I'd be interested in anything much smaller.
Love this idea! I have owned several Aston Martins but can no longer afford them, and the lines on this concept are beautiful. Might be a good replacement for me!
people who don't know what a roadster is: "omg an MX-5 cOmPeTiToR" everyone other roadster manufacturer: "okay we'll play along, show us your roadster" Toyota: (top doesn't move at all)
Yes, it's a coupe. But what other car in USA is a tiny FR?
Its dimensions would really compete with the Miata in the USA. I doubt that it could be sold here, but in other market segments where small cars are a regular; we can see that it will compete with the miata if both are sold there. Like how the S660 is a competitor to the Miata in JDM. Especially if you consider the suggested market price for this aligns with the Miata.
3:56 if you’ve seen how the inside of the gr corrolla engine looks, the cylinder walls are insanely thick. Not 100% but I think destroking it would make more sense for a faster/higher revving engine.
I got excited when you said 1.... then you said 3... 1.6 turbo... that's the motor that belongs in this. 300hp 2 seat rocket with the GR 1.6turbo from the corolla.
Toyota building the cars people want
i'm not holding my breath for this one to come to the US, if they make it. I'd love to see it & hope that it has good reliability if it does I'd also like to see companies do a RWD compact car with the same thinking as the Hilux Champ... low cost & basic function above all else, only the basics are met.... only what you need, nothing you don't... having the emphasis on end user modification in any/every direction.