Ouray Colorado Off Road Trail Adventure in a Subaru Outback
2016 ж. 28 Там.
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Just a video of my Subaru Outback climbing Black Bear Pass near Telluride, CO.
2015 Subaru Outback, 2.5 CVT.
2" Anderson Design Lift
245/65/17 BFG KO2 Tires
Primitive Skid plates
Thanks to Traildogck for the company!
Pretty impressive terrain.
Love the title to this video, gave me a good LOL! Great spot to show off Subaru's incredible AWD.
Finally.....a good video of an outback doing real off reading. Impressed.good driving too.
Thanks! We have had plenty of other fun and plan to do more soon. I'm working on some how to guides right now.
It's about time you got your sheep together. ;)
Awesome video!
Is there a way to manually adjust the air/fuel mixture when you're operating at altitude? Seems like more oxygen less fuel would have helped. A turbo is the only real answer at that altitude. I think a turbo brings the effective altitude in the combustion chamber back down to like 5-6000 feet.
Love the sheep in the background, lol
I'm now sure that CVT can do off-road too from your vid's. The question about suspension: Can you drive fast on this kinda dirt roads on outback?
awesome
Do you have an exhaust mod? It sounds louder than stock. Did you gut the cats or straight pipe it? Would love to know thanks a million :)
@ 2:39 Is this where a Serta commercial breaks out???
I've done Black Bear twice in a '13 Wrangler 2 door 6 MT 3.6 "S" package/3.73, with the only relevant mod being 33" BFG K02's. Otherwise stock suspension and ride height. Both times over the pass it was just me and the wonder pup. The first time I had never been over it before even as a passenger, I had only read some online write ups and watched some videos. No real problems either time, but I can assure you the climb up to the sign from the Ouray side is the "easy" part. The descent into Telluride is much more challenging, particularly The Steps and the upper half of the switchbacks, especially when you have to choose your line and feel your way through it from the driver's seat with no spotter. I don't think I used 4L at all on the way up to the sign, if so only briefly, but the transfer case def got a workout coming down. I would not attempt the descent into T-ride with anything less.
Did this on my 1990 DR350 dual sport motorcycle back in 2014, and was struggling a bit in some sections because it was raining. I felt good about accomplishing it, until I was taking pictures, and a gold HONDA ACCORD comes over the top. WTF?
That's funny.
Jajajaja
I'm sold
BHAAAAADASS Video M8
that's what turbos are for !!
More like 500% more sheep
I wouldn't buy another outback unless it was another 5-Spd XT . Turbos make life worth living.
Did you run the whole trail or was the part in the video two way and you went back that way? Also how necessary do think the 2 inch lift was for that section of the trail?
Just the two way part, the jeep wasn't comfortable going down it and I wasn't comfortable solo'ing it 2000 miles from home. I don't think the lift was necessary, just saved some bumper scraping (although it still happened, obviously). If I had a better front approach angle the lift wouldn't be necessary. A stock outback could have done this with some caution, mostly against the side walls. Those rocks are so jagged I felt bad for my factory wheels.
How do you feel about cvt? In Russia, they think about it from glass and it is easy to break. Meeya had a replacement torque converter for the 2013MY BR.
100k miles doing things like this with no issues. I feel a lot of the blame on the CVT is actually the traction control system restricting it. Check out my newer video. "Subaru smarter than you."
I’d love to see the 2020 Outback with the turbo on this same trail
Let's go!
This is great. It seems like this pass is not too technical? I have a 99 Forester soon to have a 2" lift and will be in Colorado in June. You think it would make it?
Basic Forester you probably have low gears so you should be fine
Did you descend the infamous steps and switchbacks down the other side, into Telluride? Asking, because I have a 3.6R and curious if you made the entire route? Thanks!
Unfortunately I did not but others have in a Subaru. I was 2000 miles from home, on a new trail, with an under equipped vehicle, and the friend I met (the XJ in this video) was unwilling to complete. Would love to finish it off I ever make it back out there!
@@bruceyyyyy thanks for the quick response! This video gives other Outback owners hope! Really looking forward to doing this trail one of these summers.
How do those KO2 tires handle on the street? And did you do the lift so you could get those tires? I have a stock 2013 Outback 3.6, and have learned that the OEM Continentals and Jeep trails do not get along....
John Prothero They work great on the street. Very little noise and ride is acceptable. Gas mileage is down though. I believe you can fit 225/65/17 on yours with out rubbing but I would confirm.
You can definitely run 225/65/17 on a stock vehicle without rubbing.
did you just do the lift on the strut or the whole package. and how many inches did you choose
Whole Package, 2" Lift
I am soooo happy with the 3.6R. What tires are you running Bruce? Do you have an IG or FB?
BFG KO2 245/65/17
I've got one as well and I totally love mine. The high torque CVT they have is amazing! Besides the ultra smooth shiftless acceleration you can't tell it's a CVT.
bruceyyyyy those tyres will fit in 2011 legacy wagon with 2 inch lift ?
@@bruceyyyyy do you air down at all?
What air pressure were you running in your tires? Was traction control on or off? XMode on?
20 PSI X Mode On Trac Off
would a turbo help with O2 shortage in the piston? since the whole idea of a turbo is to compress more air into the piston?
Good chance of it. Ya.
4cyl and std are the way to go up there, cvt will pull more hp out ,std is direct through a clutch, if you know how to drive, you won't kill your clutch,done this near 30 yrs ,no problems yet
Did you have to change any other suspension components such as sway bars or anything? I've got a 2010 outback and I'm wanting to do the Anderson 2" strut/multi-links spacers and 245/65r17 AT tires. Also, did you have to modify anything else to fit those tires?
Blake Ables Anderson Design lift is the only thing on it. I have a 19mm sway bar on but that's it.
That's good to know, I've read mixed reviews on lifting them any higher than 2" so I didn't know if the bigger tires would require any other modifications or extra maintenance
Blake Ables If you have a 2010 I would recommend going 225/65/17 as I am positive it will fit and it won't interfere with gearing as much.
I'm running 225/60 now and I've got a good 2" clearance on either side with stock suspension. I want to go as big as I can without having to do any other mods
Blake Ables I would confirm with a Gen 4 owner on the outback forum that it will work in that case. I know the Gen 5 has a larger tire from the factory so I know it will fit.
Having a CVT, would you say that it makes the car stronger or weaker climbing ? Since you floored it and you didnt move at all !
dkphantomdk I actually think the CVT is no effect positive or negative as far as climbing. The power loss at elevation was the problem here. Check the other videos I have of the same car with same tires climbing steeper areas than it had to climb here. It had no issue even when on two wheels.
@@bruceyyyyy I've never seen videos of outback spinning the wheels offroad. Unless they pulled a fuse that disables traction control and stability control completely. There's several KZhead videos about this topic.
@@vectraB97 I've seen many outbacks that spin their wheels in snow with Traction control off and or with xmode on...
@@subielife4life several generations of mustangs have had similar issues. Driver think he has turned the traction control off. He tries to drift/burnout but system reactivate under extreme connection and sends the mustang in the ditch. In those mustangs you also need to pull the traction control fuse to turn it completely off.
@@subielife4life most people don't know that traction control off mode in cars don't mean 100% off. You usually need to disconnect some electronics or a fuse to accomplish that. Like in this video. kzhead.info/sun/abV9dpdwnZmhf3A/bejne.html
Quick? 🤔At the point of struggle, figting up the hill & elevation, with little momentum, would it have made any difference to have the cvt in manual mode, where as you can select 1st gear by paddle shift?🙌 Great Video..
I was in manual mode the entire time. X Mode On VDC Off. So I assume it would not have made a difference (:
Elevation is why turbos are important
If only it was the 3.6 without the CVT it would’ve done so much better still did good just won’t spin tires where it should
Sorry if this has been asked before but what lift did you use?
ADF 2"
bruceyyyyy thank you!! 245’s would definitely rub on stock outback eh?
Time to push at only a minute in...
Do you think you could do the entire trail? I have almost the same setup as you.
I don't see why not.
Thanks @Bruceyyyyy!
Did you do the back side? Think a stock height Forester 8.9” with those same tires do the back half?
Bluefox did it in a 2" lifted Forester but be prepared to drag.
Do you have your anti slip turned off?
jd schneed Yes. X-Mode on traction control off. Locked in gear.
@@bruceyyyyy traction control is and stability controll is often never fully of in modern car. Mustang owners discovered this. Pushed to the limit mustang will reactivate everything unless they pulled a fuse.
what's your average mpg with those bfg ko2 tires?
koe ko mid 20s on highway.
what does your camber sit at?
koe ko factory spec
I bet the glider got up there a lot quicker!
Probably made it down quicker too!
Did you turn off the traction control on this run?
X mode on. Traction control off. manually selecting first gear.
+bruceyyyyy wow, hard to believe it perform so poorly. I know the H4 is doggy, but wow!
Check the other videos. Never had these problems at sea level. Or 3500 feet. It's the extra 9000 or so that was really straining the engine. If I lived in CO I would get the H6 no question.
Huh, I am glad I made my choice for the H6. Even in the hills around here that H4 strains. I had an H4 Outback as a service loaner for 3-4 days, only flatlanders should own them, lol. What cameras are you using for your videos? I need to actually film some of our offroad adventures. I get caught up in the fun of driving and sometimes don't even take stills. Lol
+Pete Konovalov a mix of a borrowed go pro, a borrowed go pro hero 3, and my note 5 phone.
I'm just getting into awd vehicles so I've been watching a fair amount of video the Subaru seem to just eat whatever you throw at it why did altitude put such a strain on this bad boy
At 13,000 feet it had roughly half as much power versus at sea level. It was already a little anemic and combined with poor gearing and steep inclines you see the result. Momentum was the only way.
thanks for the info👍
bruceyyyyy it looked like traction control was throwing you off and being confused about what you were wanting to do. Can you not turn that off? That outback should have plenty of power to get up that even at that altitude.
It was off. I believe it's still on even when off. It just allows more slip than usual.
bruceyyyyy yeah traction control on modern cars can be a real pain in the ass sometimes. I have to turn mine off just to go over a speed bump because it’ll get all wonky and loose power and it’s a Cherokee Trailhawk with lots of off-road goodies.
Up in the altitude do you wish you got the 3.6?
No question. 3.6 at altitude.
The 3.6 would have been dogging as well. Not as bad but that's the nature of NA engines at altitude, not to mention some added weight. Subaru needs to play catch up and put the 3.6 out to pasture where it's belonged for years. Start offering the turbo 2 liter or bring the turbo diesel here from overseas. Either would have handled this much better than the current options.
Drew Hawley I disagree, turbo at altitude is worse. I have the 3.6 and it is very capable.
You can disagree all you want Michael S but you'll still be wrong.
I'm not convinced the 3.6L H-6 should be tossed aside just yet. I think there's still a few places Subaru can go with torque and HP development. Even as it stands now it's a more than capable engine. I do agree that we should get the diesel. That would make a great replacement for the 2.5 L that's currently used in the Legacy and Outback 2.5i. What I would really love to see is a return of the Legacy GT and Outback XT with the 2.0 turbo.
regular 2.5 4 cyl ?
pliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii yes sir
pretty good indeed for a little 4 banger ! I got the xt 2014
Thanks! I'm impressed with it. It's not a Jeep Rubicon, but it still surprises me every time I take it out.
Rugged country, where is this?
Black Bear pass is the location, fam. It's near Telluride, CO, USA.
High altitudes and temperatures over 37ºC (limit load to protect the engine) decrease engine performance even in turbocharged engines. Horse power values are valid until 1000 m height over sea, there is a loss of power about 10 to 15% every 1000 m of altitude due to a low barometric pressure and lower air density. A good air filter condition helps to limit this effect. Video ikusgarria!
So having a better intake filter helps?
@@mallkrawlerz620 Yes, if the old air filter is very dirt an air filter gauge helps to know when it's necessary to change it.
My IG is @lifted_revolution. My facecrack page for the car is Lifted Revolution.
I don't use social media. You can find me on subaruoutback.org though, I am pretty easy to find there.
Theoretically at that height the engine only has 25% of its power...
It certainly felt like it!
A turbo kit will wake up any motor
The cvt is what stops u...the cvt cuts power
Traction control does. See my "Subaru is smarter than you" video
It’s not altitude it’s the cvt cutting power a known problem with subiz
Back to the 4EAT Subaru! Damn CVT! Just ruins an awesome car!
I almost thumbs downed this for the pure fact that you didn't text me about it...
too bad subaru did not put the turbo in the outback
They did up until 2009 in North America. The Outback XT it was called and it had a cool hood scoop like the WRX. It didn't sell all that well so Subaru killed it off.
old cvt doesnt like it at all
1:14 nah man It's just that the 2.5 is weak. Should have got the 3.6L boxer 6, comes with a heavier drive train, making X mode more capable
1:01 it's a joke. that hill can be handled easily with older 2.5 AT Subbies. Shame on you Subaru
Do you have any video of it happening? The only older Subaru I know that did this are 2.5 Turbo models.
@@bruceyyyyy it’s not the engine causing the lack of power, the cvt cuts power when it is slipping and figuring out which wheels have traction to stop the car from slipping (for example if you were in the snow on a hill, you wouldn’t want 3 wheels that have no traction spinning very fast) . However, while I don’t know about Subaru AT’s, I have seen other all wheel drive automatic cars do the same thing. You can actually bypass the system by disabling traction control, it will stop the car from cutting power. As far as the engine alone is concerned, I bet a crosstrek 2.0 with a 5 speed manual could make it up that too :)
Dude rolled over in the first 8 seconds. Typical Subaru.
@ 00:53 This kind of thing spooks me about my Outback. That the computers can just suck the balls right out from under you... I know there are some fail safe things going on, but you should be able to circumvent them with the push of a button, and continue on. I know there are idiots out there that given the opportunity, will, and have, burned up the transmission. But why make the rest of us suffer for the ignorance, and stupidity of others?
Kentucky Ranger I think this was a power thing more than a ecu or even cvt thing. 13000 feet in elevation is rough on that little 4 cylinder.
I had an odd moment the other day when I was doing some video work at a drive in. I was trying to position my Outback to take some shots when the front diff started making clicky noises... It's done it before in snow. I think it's the computer trying to lock the wheel from spinning. Still, it's odd when the power is taken away from you while pressing the accelerator, LOL! It didn't really take anything away, just made a goofy noise. I have seen some video's where the car is crippled when backed to a curb, and it can't climb it. It is a little unnerving when something like that happens. Of course, I think that was on the Gen3's. Still, awesome footage! You need to check out my channel, LOL! I'm making a series about crap from dollar stores...
At 13000 ft, there's 39% less oxygen, so that engine is making max 107 HP. Looks like it was a warm day, too, which might have robbed another 5 to 10 HP.
Those poor KO2's. They deserve to be on something more capable than a Subaru.
Just stopped watching at :58. You traded gas mileage for peace of mind.
I'm not sure I follow. The car really struggled at those elevations.