Cessna 177 Cardinal fixed vs retractable gear | Performance and flight comparison
2021 ж. 17 Қыр.
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Both Cessna Cardinal fixed gear and retractable gear (RG) are good airplanes. We compare both planes side by side on the ground and in the air. We have the most detailed Cardinal review
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Good stuff & a beautiful paint job on that RG! Flew a Cardinal RG during commercial training for the required complex time and loved the airplane! Everyone at school loved it. It looked incredible & flew superbly. Way different than the 172 I did most of my training in but I had zero issues with the transition. I’ve heard a Cardinal is hard to land & graduate to, but I found it easy and fun. I would rent one in a heartbeat today & would consider owning an RG Cardinal if my heart wasn’t already set firmly on something else (mid 1950s 172 which I’ll put a “Texas Taildragger” tail wheel and 180 hp engine on, my dad’s STCs). It was almost impossible to fly the Cardinal on the weekends because many at school wanted it for their trips to friends & family since it looked so cool. Great basic video about a wonderful airplane!
Beautiful birds. The RG is such a delightful airplane to fly and comfortable as well. A great comparison!
Thank you for the comment, they are both great planes and fun to fly.
My dad owned a 177B ? fixed gear for probably 20 years. I flew with him a lot when I was a young kid. Very good memories in this airplane for me. My dad loved his cardinal!
Nice to hear of your memories with the Cardinal, they are great family planes.
I've been flying a PA28 for the last 30 years but I've always been in love with the 177 Cardinal fixed gear. Now that I've seen your video I'm going to start look to see what there is out there in a Cardinal. Thanks
don't do it steve they don't even come close to your piper
The original fixed gear Cardinal had a 150 hp O-320 and a fixed pitch propeller; that was soon changed to a 180 hp with fixed pitch prop. The constant speed prop was added in 1970.
Thank you for sharing this info.
yes they also added retractable gear before they realized it was a hopeless mess and stopped making this POS!
This is a great video , very well produced
Your videos are objectives and punctual; Amazing!
Thank you Henrique, appreciate your comment, glad you enjoy our videos.
Amazing as always.
Thank you Marcus. Appreciate it
Thank you. Excellent presentation, as always.
Thank you for watching and the comment.
Nice video and great job with the comparisons.
Thank you for the comment, glad you enjoyed it.
Another great video,Thank You
Thank you for the comment, glad you enjoyed it
nice job, and thanks for your time
Thanks for watching and your comment Robert.
I’m looking forward to flying both models
You'll enjoy flying both. They are nice planes to fly.
I love the cardinal. Great video.
Thank you for watching, Cardinals have always been one of my favorites.
GJ 👍Thanks for uploading from Tokyo🤓
Thank you for watching and commenting also
G,day from Quarantine lockdown Sydney Australia. * Once again best quality planes. * Thankyou for the performance. * Nose cone LEDs? Plane: worldwide dominant. 🌏🇦🇺
Hi again John, thanks for watching another of our videos. We use isolation to fly more. Factory Cardinals did not come with LED lights; they were an upgrade as were many other things in that RG.
Excellent thanks
Thank you
I’m extremely excited you are doing this comparison between these two different types of aircraft and are you looking to do this on others you will have on the next video?
Thank you Bernard, we definitely hope to do more comparisons in the future.
@@aerolife1646 would you also dare include a conclusion (based on a set of assumptions) or might that seem too conflictive?
takes very little to excite you bernard.
Thanks, do You have an idea what the performance difference is with the IO 390 engine installed please?
Very nice comparaison. Please consider to do the same between a C182 fixed and a C182RG (R182). Thanks in advance
Thank you for your comment. I will try to do that if I get both at the same time one day.
@@aerolife1646 depending on where you are I own a 182rg I can bring over. Im in east TN for reference.
The price are different also on both of them and thank you
Another factor is insurance with the RG being higher for most owners.
I like to buying one.
Why do the 70-74 Cardinal 177rg specs say 122knots 75% and the 74 up say 143knots 75% ? I can not find a reason for this. Same engine so does anyone know. I get the fixed to RG has that price difference, but when shopping for a 177RG I find so many early years with cruse speed of 122Kn I thought all Cardinal RG were 148knots cruise
Great comparison! Are you from Eastern Europe?
Thanks, I’m from the USA
Does either airplane have a Powerflow exhaust? How much of performance improvement would a Powerflow make for these birds over Cessna published numbers? Thank you.
I just published a video of a Cardinal fixed gear with powerflow exhaust. kzhead.info/sun/Z7KDoM9vkYGHi4k/bejne.html
I see that you have a cuff for the exhaust on the RG. Did you find much of an increase in air speed?
It was installed before we purchased so cannot speak to actual experience.
Was the fixed gear 177 ever available with the 200hp engine?
Am I the ONLY one that would like a T-lever throttle quadrant in a Cessna? Anyhow, I would love an RG, just not the additional cost for insurance/maintenance. That being said, on the hunt for a 180-hp, fixed gear Cardinal. Maybe add the power-flow exhaust for added power/safety.
A slighly slower fuel burn isn't really an advantage if it also needs to fly for longer to reach the same destination.
You're right, a complex airplane has performance advantages over a fixed gear. From my experience, most of these planes are not used for time sensitive missions.
@@aerolife1646 the question, however, remains. Will the nominally lower fuel burn of the FG be cancelled out by its longer time aloft, i.e. will it actually burn more on the same mission?
I love both these planes and have time in both. It has to be the nicest flying Cessna made that got a very bad reputation early on. Avoid landing on nose wheel, I always exaggerate the flare so you land on the mains only. The stabilator and effective ailerons make this a two finger flyer and does not have the heavy control forces the 182RG has. With the wing further back, no wing struts and a large door and window give the best visibility of any high wing Cessna. The 180 HP fixed gear is much better than the original 150HP and there is an STC to put the 200HP in the fixed gear. If you ever get the opportunity to fly one don't pass it up.
Thank you for the detailed comment; you are right - if the chance comes to fly a Cardinal I would always take it.
ever wonder why all airplanes have issues with the third wheel? i didn't think so! doesn't matter which end the third wheel is on most pilots abuse the hell out of them! that's because they don't know how to control an aircraft with precision during the landing phase period!
The Insurance rates are much, much higher for the RG version! So much so that many owners "Wish" they could convert their plane back to Fixed Gear!!!
You are correct about insurance rates, they are usually higher for an RG comparing to a fixed gear. But is largely based on pilot experience and time in type also. To advance as a pilot requires time in a complex plane, it is the most valuable.
Does the RG have the ability to dump fuel in an emergency?
Thankfully have never had an emergency in the Cardinal or the RG. I do not believe that is an option for any of the similar planes.
@@aerolife1646 ok, I was wondering what the fuel switch at the bottom does
Not sure landing full left of center line is a good idea…
I know, it is better to land on the center line. No pilot can land on the center line every time. There's really no harm on the wider runways.
@@aerolife1646everyone is a critic …..you all do just fine
here is a little primer in aviation history for you honey. it's not only rare to see 2 cardinals side by side. it's also rare to see a cardinal anywhere and it's not because they are so cool. it's because they were a flop and even cessna realized this before too long and stopped making them. here is another cool and unusual fact. cessna made 4 piston aircraft with odd numbers and every single one was a flop just like the cardinal. the 175 skylark, the 177 cardinal, the 337 mixmaster and last of all the 421 golden eagle which should have been named the pink elephant instead! i can't even tell you how many even number models they made which were wildly successful. you can't make this $hit up! there is one somewhat successful model the 185. when you have been around aviation as long as the folks who likely advised you not to buy this model you will figure this out for yourself with any luck!
You are pathetcally misinformed !!
Awesome thanks
You're welcome, thanks for watching.