The Chilling Black Dahlia Murder Revisited
Watch Ryan & Shane uncover more details of the Black Dahlia as they revisit that case. Be sure to watch the season premiere of 'I Am the Night,' premiering January 28 at 9/8c on TNT. po.st/IAmTheNightTNT
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Even if George Hodel didn't murder the Black Dahlia (and I believe he did), he definitely murdered someone.
Brendonian , that and also that he was a monster
Stay sexy
Gunung Merapiapi I love that for you
In my opinion I think he did it. Hodel was a trained doctor. Shorts murder was very surgical.
Brendonian he didn’t do all the murdering, all the time, but he definitely did some of the murders, some of the time.
*Black dahlia murder happens* The watcher:"All me baby"
all hail watcher
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂I just watched it
all hail the watcher
HAHAHAHAAHA
Just the idea of her being tortured alive including the slits on the sides of her mouth gives me chills. I hope she's resting now
She’s not resting. Her soul is crying for justice. And I’m pretty sure that the perpetrator of this crime is suffering eternally now, being consumed in never ending fire.
She's absolutely resting since 1950
@@GaryHField her soul is already resting, she's safe in heaven now, but justice still needs to be served.
I’m really late but I read that the the autopsy showed they thought the disfigurations happen after death.
In a different podcast.
Steve Hodel states in the 'Root of Evil' podcast that when he found out his father was a suspect in the case, he tried to clear his name, but as he kept investigating he became convinced that George commited the murder and other murders along with that.
Oof.
to me, I think that makes his certainty have even more weight.
I thought I heard somewhere that this is why he became a police officer
Got this case from the game called l.a noire, i never thought that this case or event happened in real life, pretty creepy stuff
@@Ryzen1 I love that game but I had to stop playing when it got to this case. It's so gruesome to have to actually see and examine the bodies, I kinda wish you could skip it.
I love the "very attactive". Like, someone had to look at that corpe, that had been cut in half and drained of blood and go "Well THAT is a beautiful lady".
Don't forget the ear to ear Joker smile 😊
“Now THATS a dame!”
@@thegoose2630 LOL 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
"well aint that a sight for sore eyes"
omg this is the best thing ever
Imagine cutting a body in half, letting the blood drain out and scrubbing it. The thought alone makes my whole body extremely uncomfortable
And that too of someone you have known and talked to just hours before murdering her!!
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I mean ur just drying and scrubbing it... Its not as bad as murder
"Imagine cutting a body in half"- yeah imma hafta stop you right there
ZachyDomberg its not that hard! the trickiest part it trying not to damage the spine, its so hard not to make the spine snap while cutting a body in half :/
I think the crappiest thing about this case is that Elisabeth Short went to Hollywood to be a famous actress, but instead becomes infamous as "The Black Dahlia". Barely anyone even knows her real name. 😢
You shouldn't call her "infamous", she was just the victim.
Just reading through the comments- gotta say that fame is not a good thing - any way you look at it.
There’s no evidence of her ever pursuing her “dream” of becoming an actress. Also she did not move to LA to become one, she moved to LA because she had bad asthma, she also moved to Florida for the same reason.
@@cpldalton5966 Quite right: she was a WAITRESS by profession, not an actress, and certainly not a prostitute. This case is surrounded by three-quarters of a century's worth of misinformation.
@@TheSaneHatter actually she didn't work. There's no evidence to suggest her being a waitress
If my father was a narcissistic abuser with shady dealings that literally impregnated my sister I'd hate him as well. Doesn't illegitimize the very solid evidence if you were to ask me.
steve hodel said he actually started out trying to clear his father’s name but after so much research, just became convinced he had done it
Steve's issue is he also then accused his father of being the Zodiac killer and a whole bunch of other crimes he didn't commit. I too think Hodel killed the Black Dahlia. But his son sabotaged himself with his continued quest for attention.
@@risipieces if he did have it in for his dad then he'd have every reason to be dishonest about how much he really tried to "clear his father's name" just to add credence to his story. Remember, this is a former LAPD cop, you think a retired member wouldn't exaggerate on a point like this? That's just a very unlikely thing for him to try to do, not just for what he believed his father did to his sister but that it's obviously impractical, it's hard enough proving guilt let alone prove innocence. A cop would know there's nowhere to go with that.
@@Treblaine oh geez, i made that comment a couple of years ago (i was.. 16? ish?) and i don’t think i’ve thought about this or even watched the video again since
George Hodel: _Let's say, theoretically that perhaps i have possibly killed the Black Dahlia_
this reads like a ben shapiro quote
Soooo, he played the OJ trick? Was there a ‘Charlie’ involved?
"If I Did It" - By George Hodel
Hypothetically of course
OJ Simpson tease!
She only became famous cause of her killer, cause she had to suffer this painful death. The fame she struggled to achieve when she was alive. And yet, the other murder victim is barely known. If that ain't some depressing poetry
Other murder victims aren't known because they weren't mutilated they way black dahlia was! I mean how many murder victims do you know that were cut in half with their intestines tucked behind there butt along with all the other horrific things her body endured!
Laura no the op meant the other victim mentioned in this video, not just general murder victims. the other victim was also bisected shortly after george hedel moved.
@@Zombievoodooqueen 14:10 Jeanne French
I was thinking the same thing and she dies horribly also.
Rip F to pay resp. .
*2.3k dislikes... **_how many alternate accounts does ghost Dr. Hodel have??_*
We know its you, George!
or it can be just Worth it boys
No, people just hate those two a-holes behind the desk.
LOOOOOOL
@@armands3153 why?
Even if George didn't kill the Black Dahlia, he still should've gone to jail for what he did to his daughter
I feel bad for her and the son. Who's knows what else that crazy man did to people.
yeah, i feel like he should of as well... its messed uo, they had enough evidence to lock him up, yet never did...
“ *i did meet some of the most Insufferable People..but they also met me* “ -Shane Madej *best quote ever*
That's it. This is my yearbook quote
Meet*?
G Shamsi Nope, it’s past Tense
@@WolfGirlSpells i meant replace need with meet, like," i did meet some of the ..."
That’s his last name
the police described her as “very attractive”? who’s idea was that? “yeah if you have any info on this smokin hot babe just hit up our line thanks”
Ikr lmao
lmaoo right?
Lol it was the 40s I guess.
You trippin aint even dat serious
@@rs-mt6kl yeah but that's to much work 😂
the fact she was placed across a street named “degnan”, which was a murder of a child in chicago with the last name Degnan, who’s limbs were surgically removed and placed in different locations. she was supposedly a victim of the lipstick killer (which plays into the french murder) , George Hodel was suspiciously in chicago at that time. not to mention the child and dahlia were both perfectly bisected (cut in half).
shocked this comment doesn't have more likes that's an amazing connection
I don’t think hodel was part of that, as their was many cases like that like the torso killer but he definitely played a big role in Elizabeth shorts Case and possibly the Jean Spangler case too
The fact that he went to the Philippines and a body was found with the same type as the black dahlia gives me chillls.
As a filipino, the minute I heard that, I lost my cool for a bit
omg fr
Now makes me wonder why most of the foreign criminals choose Philippines to hide. 🤔
@@britball2388 The age of consent has already been updated a long time ago, but that never stopped the our horrible pedo problem
No evidence that he killed Lucilla lalu. All circumstantial. Means nothing.
It's sad that this man was clearly a serial killer but because he was rich and powerful he just got away with it
Yeah and Short was poor, she only had dinners outside when she is with men and I red that she couldn't afford to be on a dental to check her teeth so she uses candle wax to cover her cavities... :(
welcome to CaPiTaLiSm
@@autumnyoder9785 its not even just capitalism. A person of power is almost never brought to justice in any country
It also makes me really angry that he lived a long happy life into his 90s
Like Jeffrey Epstein. He did not suicide. We know it.
George Hodels great granddaughters recorded a podcast series called "Root of Evil" where they basically proved he was the killer
Have you listened to MFM podcast(of course you did) 😁
I’ll listen to the Root of Evil podcast. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for the recommendation!!
I listened to the whole podcast and it was a sick twisted story.
Cheers.
Something I'm glad of is that Elizabeth Short had the nickname of "Black Dahlia" even before she was killed. Her suitors gave her that nickname due to her signature dark-haired, dramatic look. I'm glad the papers didn't just give her a catchy nickname for a headline.
Now there’s enough of her for everybody
i am from philippines. if im not mistaken, we also have the similar case of black dahlia: we have two. lucila lalu (1967), the original chop chop lady of the philippines. i assume, since it was mentioned that Hodel moved to philippines, i was starting to think of it deeply. it's also unsolved and one of the most horrific cases in the ph. it does makes sense to me now...
girl im looking onto it now after watching this episode. i have a vague memory of hearing the word "chop-chop lady" being spoken by my grandma i thought it sounds so familiar i didn't know it was from a murder case back in 1967 and 1993. as i was beginning to grow up living with my grandparents at that time i would remember them telling me and my sister to strictly go home before 6pm everyday after coming out of school for fear that a random person would chop us along the way if we go home as soon as the sky is dark.
@@toph1605 you're from ph?
The chopshop murder and the black dahlia share one thing in common, Dismemberment. Other than that they share nothing in similarity. Hodel most likely was not a murderer.
@@cpldalton5966yeah sure Hodel
@@Chloe-tw1yi I take from this youre calling me Hodel? Just look at the facts! Steve Hodel is a liar, he even suggested he might be the zodiac killer and the lipstick killer. There is no evidence that Hodel killed anyone.
Chris Pine when he sees the body in the trailer: *flinches* The real detectives of the case: That is one attractive lady.
Hodel DID get Tamar, his daughter pregnant and then took her to have an illegal abortion done. Without anesthetic. Tamar then took him to court but he was acquitted and Tamar was seen as unwell mentally, especially after she told the court that her father was responsible for the Black Dahlia Murders. Fauna’s daughters say in the Root of Evil podcast, that Fauna was never interested in finding her birth father because she had a feeling it was George and didn’t want it confirmed.
@@alvinhuynh6098 very informative
Peachy Skies his character didn’t see the body in the show
@@alvinhuynh6098 what? buzzfeed said that the baby was adopted!
@@javeedn ???
This is one of those that is frustratingly “unsolved” officially, but the perpetrator is pretty obvious. *cough cough* George Hodel *cough cough*
Ane even if he didn't, he was still a monster.
The Zodiac case is still more frustrating .
@@andynarv2525 yea but the #1 suspect in the zodiac case isn't a kiddie diddler tho.
Eddie Van Halen, Drunk on Stage. Yes he was. Arthur Leigh Allen molested children
he didnt do it doe
Black Dahlia: "Man, she's pretty cute, but the murderer knows about our crimes so no more investigating!" Bobby Dunbar: "Look, lady! I said it's your son, so it's your son!! Lock her in a mental institution, boys" Florida Machete Murder: "Alright fellas, let's hose down this crime scene" Shane: "They don't care!" Ryan: "Yeah, cops don't care, I guess..." this series does a great job at displaying our country's complete and justifiable lack of faith in it's justice system and the police
To be fair, corruption has existed in America since it was discovered. It isn't surprising that corruption has spread everywhere.
Plus in the Sodder case, the detectives didn’t seem that concerned that a life insurance salesman came to their door and said that their house was going up in smoke and their children would disappear. And the fire department didn’t get there until like 7 hours after the fire started.
It's sad to see the justice system and police aren't getting significantly better through time. I mean, a lot of unsolved mysteries in the past at least has corrupt police and/or a biased justice system involved-and look where we are now! Still suffering (especially minorities) from corrupt police and a weak justice system. And when the government fails, it's up to the people to rise and make (or peacefully protest for) the change; and hopefully it'll be good for the long run for real (by today's standards). Also, why did I snicker at the Florida machete murder quote?
Wasn’t it the Arthur Hutchison case, not Bobby Dunbar?
@@Messed-up-logic yeah it was the Walter Collins case
How is life fair when a psychopath killer gets to live to the age of 91 , geez.
She was also named "The Black Dahlia" because there was a movie that came out around the time she was killed that was called 'The Blue Dahilia' and she had a striking resemblance to the main actress so her close friends called her the black dahlia because she regularly wore black. 💁
@@dietisgreat she was white
Rainelle, good to know, thanks for the share.
@@dietisgreat Have you watched the video?
@@kark2036 about the black man who murdered the Black woman
@@dietisgreat l mean, not likely when she is described as being so white she doesnt look human...
i just feel so bad for Elizabeth. she did become famous, but not for the right reason.
Being famous after she was brutally murder by a pyscopath monster. People back in the past are bunch of drama seekers.
Kind of like Lupe Velez. It's definitely a case of be careful what you wish for.
I never heard before that her hair was dyed?
It’s so sad i hope she gets her justice soon ;(
I feel bad for the child who saw her
i was rewatching this case, and i never truly noticed how sad it is that she wanted to be a famous actress but struggled to get small acting jobs, and now she's super well known... but for an entirely different reason.
When reporters got their hands on the name of the Elizabeth Short, they called Elizabeth’s mother and told her that Elizabeth had won a beauty contest and they asked her all kinds of questions about her childhood and Elizabeth’s personality, stuff like that. When they were done getting all the information they wanted/needed from Elizabeth’s mother, they finally told her that her daughter had been murdered
Horrible and horrible
That is so disgusting, that poor woman. I hope her family was able to find some peace after this tragedy, RIP Elizabeth.
People were crueler in those days, it seems.
My senoir quote is "I met the most insufferable people here. But they also met me." 😂Thanks Shane
Cosmic Movement may also use this 😂
If my school/country had senior quotes, I would use that too.
Lol
Same! I have been told that this quote fits perfectly. I'm not a 100% sure what to make of it...lol
That's mine too 😆
Shane is like that reluctant husband that follows his wife around rolling his eyes and going “Yes dear” because even though he doesn’t believe, he enjoys the adventures
Lmao i couldnt agree more
BlackenSoul or to make his wife happy
Haha that sounds so true
I can't believe you put this into words. :O Kudos to you!
accurate
it’s not a real buzzfeed unsolved episode without the (wheeze)
This case has always rubbed me the wrong way. Even if it was 70 something years ago I still get chills hearing about it. Whoever murdered Ms Short was a very angry, violent, and sadistic monster. And the way her body had very clearly been moved meant they wanted everyone to see what they had done. It’s so unnerving and it genuinely scares me to this day.
I felt like this seem in a way of art, a sick way because what I got from this murder is someone thought about this for a long time and saw this as some type of canvas
Even if Steve Hodel had a hatred towards his dad, his evidence is really strong.
Yes. From what I've read, a lot of people think he's too obsessed with it but I completely understand why. He's trying so hard to prove it, knowing that is most likely his father. Nobody can say for certain but there is no other person that I suspect.
Bet les gooo
The person above me is gay
agreed
I spoke to him
You guys should make a series called "Case Closed", where you cover some of the cases you have gone over that have been recently solved, or cover cases that have been cold for decades
Yeah, it's cool... like Buzzfeed SOLVED or something. Lmao.
i agree
Case Closed is an anime
They could also go over some cases that were solved but were intriguing and had massive media attention
This is great idea!
I am from the Philippines, the 1967 murder in the Philippines cited in this video also have the same kind of notoriety as the Black Dahlia did in the U.S. Here, the '67 murder also had an infamous name: "The Chop-Chop Lady case" and it was never solved too. I was literally shocked to learn the fact that Hodel was here at the time the '67 murder case happened. It's eerie too that '67 murder happened 20 years after the Black Dahlia.
Except je likely didn’t do the murder.
@@cpldalton5966 George Hodel, is that you?
@@daisymae6 Haha funny, but seriously please look up the research and documentation of Larry harnisch, an LA Times Reporter who is the only person who has a firm grasp on the truth, his research is phenomenal. Or alternatively I can link you a video which is probably the best Black Dahlia informative videos on the platform
"There's no justice. Sleep tight, everybody." Shane Madej, 2019.
*has evidence against hodel* *has same car as witnessed near crime scene* *was an abusive father* *is a doctor* *reoccurring murders in the same spots near him* *has audio of him basically saying that even if he did it no one could catch him* Detectives: hmmmmm nah it’s not him
Goddoggo That's why people think it was a cover-up.
Exactlyy fuckin idiots but ppl say he was a powerful man so the police didnt mess wit him. Also i heard he was a police informant so thats another reason they didnt mess wit him. Smh
sigh.....(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Dat LAPD though😂😂😂
Jayne Skye SMH
things shane and i have in common: - being tall - not believing in ghosts - not watching the show before he joined it
S a m e
Me too dude
how am I the exact opposite of you lmao
Everything except being tall for me ;-;
You're telling me you wouldn't watch the show without Shane...but what about Ryan? Just gonna leave him like that?
What I find the most heartbreaking is that today people are using the photos police took of her body and face for financial gain and "art." Recently came across a phone case while searching for one on the internet that had the photo of her mangled face slapped onto it. It disgusted me.
ok??
humanity is despicable
1) This Holden guy absolutely did it 2) It was so gruesome that Holden definitely didn't just kill once 3) His own SON believes he was behind a ton of other murders, including the Zodiac killings (!!!)
It is very likely that he committed other crimes, but the Zodiac is a little far-fetched, since he doesn't match the physical description of the suspect in those cases, and the M.O. is too different from the previous crimes
Shane had such a good mindset like “I met the most insufferable people BUT they also met _me_ 🤗”
How do u have 2.6K likes and no replies lmao
@@xxsohalalmodexx I suppose that mystery shall remain unsolved.
"Fingernails chewed to quick." That detail guts me every time I hear it, even more than the gruesome details of her murder. It's such a human, relatable detail.
Flanneryschickens / what does “chewed to quick” mean?
@@-caesarian-6078 it's chewed down to the skin
- Caesarian - yeah man, I was going to ask the same thing. What the hell does that mean? I have never heard that before
@@locafly yea, quick is just what the skin part underneath the pink part of the nail is called in the medical field, its just an anatomical term
Martimus Prime yes? I mean it’s a super common habit
Shane: Julia Child. You think she could murder anyone? Me, internally: remembers she was a cia agent Me: (sweats)
the main problem with "truth serums" is that technically they don't necessarily force the truth out of you. It will only lower your inhibitions enough to make you either more susceptible to suggestion and less of a compulsion to lie about something. That doesn't always mean that no one would or could lie. Fun idea for getting the truth out, for sure, but not the most effective.
Well, they don’t use them anymore.
It’s essentially like getting them drunk, honestly
Yeah but Manley had no part in Betty’s murder Sad he was traumatised, mentally hospitalised and tortured. He died knowing people thought he killed her
I totally forgot Shane wasn’t always on this show.
Yeah, so did I. But I am glad he soon joined this series.
Thea germany same
I don't remember who was there before
@@KeinAbendessen All I remember is it was a white guy with glasses. 👓
Same!
I can't believe you left out info about Dr. Hodels orgy parties, and secret room...
john despard please elaborate
DOCTOR HODEL’S WHAT
Elaborate??
What about the orgy parties??
Elly Dragon a lot of people having sex with each other. Like probably 5 or more people?
I called in for a severely beaten body and then continued on my way to work after the ambulance came and left - it's a shocking experience and you can kind of just continue your day in shock. I gave a statement to a detective the next morning, but I don't think what I'd seen really hit me emotionally until a few days to a week later. So I totally get how that lady just continued on to do her errand. :v
can you please make a series called “SOLVED”
That sorta defeats the whole idea of the channel, considering how it is called, 'BuzzFeed UNSOLVED Network,' plus I'd find them quite boring since they've already been solved, and there's nothing to think about, nor is there any mystery to the case.
maybe a mini-series on the side would work better. There are many cases that although solved they're still interesting because of the methodology of the crimes or the personalities surrounding the case, of both the culprits and the investigators. Like the Unabomber for example, it's solved and the information is there to look up but I'd like to see the boys tackle it in the own style.
Maby a serie were the go back to old videos were there are new information
Yeh like that they sort of give a history or solved murders
Yessss pleaseee. A closure please
Imagine being an officer and finding evidence of guy literally being like "what if I perhaps theoretically killed her" and the guy has a history of molesting his children...than being like nooo it can't be him.
And be like George oh I love that guy he would never do that because he's rich
I mean to be fair it was more like "ah but he gives us gobs of money so who cares?"
The issue is that alone is circumstantial. Obviously it was Hodel, but innocent until proven guilty is a thing for a reason. If you can’t 100% completely prove it was Hodel you can’t lock him up.
@@juancena6432 it's unfortunate in this situation but I'd still rather have guilty people be free than an innocent person in prison
Master Reaper exactly. I mean most of these unsolved cases are “unsolved”. Everyone knows who did it, but because it was circumstantial they couldn’t lock them up.
Ryan and Shane: anyone can murder Me: immediately thinks that Barbie said you can be anything
FOR LIKE A YEAR I've been looking for "I met some of the most insufferable people but they also met me" and to know that it's followed up with "and I wish that on no one!" is the cherry on top.
I love how they’re not “completely” sure it was him even though a murder JUST like the other two occurred in ANOTHER country only after the SAME MAN showed up.
And it was in the 40s 50s so no internet to make a copycat happen
@@adianer6445 Those murders are roughly 20 years apart. Sure information traveled a lot slower back then, but not THAT slow. A copycat could have been possible, but I doubt it.
And as far as I can remember , he can be convicted for the murder of that 2 cases you were talking about but not Black Dahlia's case unless he confessed and described how he did it or unless they find a really strong evidence that'll prove that he's the murderer
@@ballesterosirisd.582 actually, they can.
@@ballesterosirisd.582 they have the evidence, in which you did mention tbh
The ripped out pages of the address book also tie to hodel because it is super likely you'd have a doctor in your address book
I hope you never sit on a jury...
@@notfbi6440 why ?
@@sololeveling7922 look at his name
@@notfbi6440 wait why
@@zainab4983 It's pure hearsay. Anyone Could be on those pages. It's flawed deductive reasoning.
I came back here because I read this article about Lucila Lulu, an unsolved murder case in the Ph years after Black Dahlia happened. Her body parts were dismembered and scattered in the City and was believed that it was done by someone with medical knowledge, the weird thing about it is that George Hodel went to PH during that time
Just searched Elizabeth Short. I'm never searching a name I hear on here ever again
Yeah, im still scarred after that search
I wish i took your advice ffs.
The autopsy pics are horrific. They found feces in her stomach, you know.
@NCT_ LOVER_ well that is what they said on a youtube video I saw about ten years ago.
@@yeetmclovin9783 what came up? I don't want so search it, but I'm curious :/
It so unsettling and disturbing how Elizabeth went from a beautiful, young, and popular actress to this lifeless, abused corpse that was just thrown on the side of the street! Absolutely disturbing
Chris Cross every time I see her face, it hits me with reality that this beautiful young woman who could’ve had such an amazing career is gone. It hurts me. It’s amazing what you can feel for a total stranger that wouldn’t have even thought once that I could’ve existed
pp gay
i was watching a video of a girl saying people wear t shirts with her corpse on it
@@toptextyt1408 same
Tis really evil, but worse things have been done. Not justifying the murder
also if it wasn’t George what he did to his daughter is sick! and should’ve been locked up for that.
yeah, he was an awful, awful human being
@Alex Martinez no, he said he was found not guilty. That doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.
@Alex Martinez sexual assault charges hardly ever go through, and people are hardly ever 'guilty' by the law in them
Tamar, She came forward at a trial and screamed it "I know who did it! My father. But ofc, in LA, who will believe her
@Z No, that's wrong! Hodel was found not guilty, and was aquitted, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do the crime.
Shane: “I got a scuba tank, baby!” Ryan: “Let’s go diggin’.”
This is a huge improvement on an already great episode. Great job guys.
When I see George was described as a "dashing man" and a doctor with knowledge of stuff, I already had a red flag considering most serial killers we're described as charming, and that's obviously another clue that he has knowledge of surgical stuff
Chloe Shane Similar to how Ted Bundy was described as "Handsome" by the media at the time.
True
@@mendesarmy1235 yeah, every serial killers has charisma, which is useful to trick and lure their prey.
They’re also all doctors lol I wanna be a doctor
It reminds me of an American Horror Story episode in which a Hollywood doctor that did surgeries on women and killed them. One of the bodies had been cut in half at the waist and a smile cut into her lips.
This is the most solved unsolved mystery i'v ever seen
Also the OJ Simpson case
@@sho9078 and the poisoning of litvenienko
The Lost colonly of roanoke
HAIL HYDRA??!?!?!???!
@@hildamanning5181 Exactly what I was thinking that one is even officially solved and even shane was like "this is like if I killed someone and we called it unsolved because I just kept saying no I didn't"
Awww I love coming back to old episodes and hearing Ryan say “Febeeyary” again :D
Omg I’m watching this 4 years laterrrr, they were babiessss
Ryan's hair is stressing me out.
Same
Ikr
He probably noticed that his hairline has been receding, and trying to cover it up.
Rachel H I can’t stop laughing bruh😂😂
Gregory Underwood Can confirm: from a twenty year guy with a receding hairline.
I mean Jesus, I’ve never heard so much evidence indicating one person for a murder. It’s just unfortunate that that it all seems to be circumstantial.
Thinking about it, it isn't
Most crimes committed are by someone the victim knew
If there's so much circumstantial evidence then it only takes 1 to prove that it's him while it takes almost all to prove his innocence
I'd say the same about the Cleveland Torso Killer. So obvious yet not enough for a conviction.
@@bettyspaghettywithmeatballs tbh
I just discovered this series today and I think I've almost watched every episode at this point.
This is such a creepy case especially with the slits at the corners of her mouth just gives me chills everytime and honestly this case should've been solved
Imagine dying and being described as "very attractive," but still having the cops criticize your teeth. Edit: Yeah, as many of you have pointed out the teeth thing could have been useful in identifying the body. Tbh what's weirder is how they described her as very attractive, when beauty is so subjective.
Less 'criticized' and more just for identification really
I read once she couldn't afford to go to a dentist so she would fill her cavities with candle wax.
@@BoondocksOfBoston :o she would what with what now
Nakajima Atsushi lmao
@@somebody4244 I'm still shooketh-
". . he came to the Philippines." me, lying down in bed: *stands up* he went HERE?
IKR?! I WAS SHOOK
ikr!!!!
AND (possibly) killed a Filipino woman too like what a PoS
He prolly took his nasty habits with him, the sicko.
Shook
I literally did an essay about these unsolved cases because I love them so much
swear ive rewatch all these videos more than 20 times
In the Philippines, it was dubbed as the "chop-chop lady".
💀
Chevy Rupleix I busted a lung
I'm Filipino and I'm not surprised they named it that. We love repeating the same word twice 🤣
Omg- 😭💀
Nope. That's another murder case
George Hodel would have been caught with in a week or 2 in modern times...
not if he has powerful connections. I mean look at Epstein.
Cornelia Li, that’s true. I mean look at what’s happened with the Epstein case so far. The judge assigned to the case family was recently harmed
i agree, remember there was a fingerprint in one of the letters but they couldn’t identify it bc there was no record, he would most definitely get caught today
Caught, definitely. Actually paid for his crimes, idk. It all depends on how much money and influence he had in modern day.
@@marythecontrarian our society is stronger than before because famous and governments need to have a good and positive looks in the public. If u make one mistake, a whole internet will go mad. But idk
Love how the music slows down when the truth drug is mentioned
That damn mannequin behind Shane scares me every damn time I see it
There's an episode where it turns it's head to look directly at you
@@avo616 really?! Or are you just fuckin with me? Lol
Why didn't Jeanne French's murder receive as much attention as the Black Dahlia's? Surely the press at that time would have loved a double homicide and would have created a media frenzy about a possible serial killer... This really baffles me
Jana Fourie Corruption. The LAPD knew it was George Hodel
could be a possible copycat murder, someone different trying to mimic the original killings. also the term “serial killer” had not been coined until the 70s
There were actually a lot of similar murders leading up to the Black Dahlia murder and after. There’s actually a really good podcast about these murders called Hollywood & Crime
Probably not as good looking as the Black Dahlia, and therefore not as noteworthy? It's Hollywood, keep in mind, only celebs matter in such a town where even the police are corrupt...
Because she wasn't brutally tortured and mutilated.
Imagine if George wasn’t the killer, and the actual murderer was just sat there watching everyone blame George Hodel.
Elliot Ness thought he had discovered the killer, it wasn't George Hodel though. It could be a link to the Cleveland Torso murderer.
I play a game called town of salem. In said game, you can be given a role called serial killer. And it is a satisfying feeling to watch someone get lynched for your murders. Granted, it is a game where no lives are actually lost, but it's an interesting psychological observation that I have on myself.
Well to be perfectly fair at least he was a monster outside of being the possible murderer so even the accusation is fitting of his character.
@@somethinunameit637 wait what
@@lukeedwards-sparsholtt1587 town of salem is a game similar to the party game mafia. A classic game of town has a serial killer, three mafia members, a jester (who is trying to get themselves hung), an executioner (who tries to get someone else hung), and miscellaneous town members. The game has you communication with the town, and try to work together to achieve a common goal, whether that is killing everyone or killing "evil doers" I know there are a few players who youtube and twitch games, and if you are more interested in it than just watching, it is $5 usd on stream and I think it is now on mobile? It also has a website you can purchase the game from.
it PAINS ME TO THE CORE how so many of the cases could have been solved if the evidence wasn’t vanished or destroyed
These guys just make these cases so entertaining to learn about!
Yeah sure it's "unsolved" *cough* Dr. Hodel *cough*
It was not him!
@@FruityFruitbat who do you think it is then
slpoofa I don’t know, and I don’t think we’ll ever know unless there is ever some actual, concrete proof found somewhere.
@@FruityFruitbat then you don't know it wasn't him you literally said "it was not him"
slpoofa I might not know who did do it, but I do know that it wasn’t him. Look up 6 Reasons Why Dr. George Hodel Didn’t Kill Elizabeth Short on Larry Harnisch’s website.
Why did it feel like it had been 626356 years since the last episode? So glad the boys are back!
It was actually less than 3 months.
Ikr
Put a comma after 3 digits,1 digit, and 2 digits. Example: 1,234,567,890. Example: 1,000. Example: 89,000. These are just so you get the different pictures and placement in it.
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN, YEA, YEA, YEA. THEY SHOULD MAKE THIS A T.V. Show. It's way better.
If anyone is interested, there was another possible suspect revealed in 2017 by Piu Eatwell. She wrote a book entitled "Black Dahlia, Red Rose." It goes into a lot of gruesome detail, but explains how another person could have committed the murder, and why some people, including a police psychologist who worked on the case, believe this suspect committed the crime. It also gives some more detail about the circumstances surrounding Elizabeth Short's death.
I personally think you should research a man called Larry harnisch, he does really interesting research on the dahlia and found an amazing suspect
the difference between Shane yelling "ACAB BABY" and him at 23:22 is JARING
Ok, I'm late to this but one omitted fact that could be important. They said pages from the address book were missing. Which ones? Most address books have alphabetical sections, so which ones were missing? the B's, the W's, the M's? If the pages missing were from H that could be important.
it could've been so that just random pages were ripped out, so detectives couldn't get much of a lead from it.
It’s written a dress book so it was probably just in the order she met people.
@@blakeerenhouse943 even that could be important to determine how long she knew him. Like if the last few pages are missing it probably wasn’t someone she dated a year ago etc
exactly
This is so smart
Fun fact: Julia Child could kill someone! She was a trained spy actually during the cold war
Are you thinking of Lucille Ball? Or were BOTH of them spies??????
@@mmarciac4879 I'm only talking about Julia. She was a "spy" not the traditional spy but she handled top secret documents and traveled for the US before she became a chef during the 40s. She was stationed in Asia for a while doing security clearance work and handling government documents, along with checking up on the US's enemies.
@@mp-zt3gb Dang, I didn't know that. Crazy how someone so innocent and unassuming can have a past like that
L
Anyone could kill someone
Great work guys
i salute both narrator"s sarcastic undertone! i love it!
I lost it when they were talking about the cocaine sniffing dog
wojtek eating lit cigarettes: 👁👄👁
@@ziqqyziqqy A man of culture i see.
TRUE CRIME IS FINALLY HERE FELLAS
Eileen Zamby I love your pfp
I liked the super natural videos. Like the moth man. That was my favorite
Eileen Zamby YASSSS
Love the pfp
@@thesaxophonist343 My favorite are the cryptozoological episodes
Ahh finally you 2 are back, loved this. :)
My great-grandfather worked on the Black Dahlia case. My grandma says she remembers how chaotic that time was. She didn’t see her dad a whole lot during that time because of this.
Shane, glancing thoughtfully at Ryan: 'Sometimes I get a little worried about ya...' Us: **nervous laughter** 👀
Ricky:Stop worrying then
We all know he got possessed secretly last season
It reminds me of the quote from it from Beverly's (abusive) father "You worry me sometimes Bevvie. You really worry me. "
EXACTLY
Ricky Goldsworth who? Don't know him?
ryan- “she also often dealt with periods... me- well ya she’s a girl... ...of unemployment” me- oh
eh, still same.
layla hernandez eh periods are basically you being unemployed by your ya know
it’s been a while since ive seen ryan ross, ty
Villainess Deku idk periods are more-so your uterus being unemployed by you lmao
I had the same thought
In every single picture I've seen of George Hodel he has such a sinister look on his face
Ryan’s : “No loose ends” Still such an iconic quote from unsolved history
Anyone else find it odd that Hodel mentioned his secretary? Why mention her? Was she a flimsy alibi, or did she know too much? Did anyone look into his secretary?
Yeah It was weird that nobody including the police investigate or mention the assisant.
Hodel was suspected of killing his secretary about two years before Short was killed. His would be motive for killing her was to cover financial fraud. He was never charged at the time because he left for China
@@natalieland379 ah yes.. leaving the country everytime he is suspected of something. Fantastic
I read the secretary died of something like a heart attack
@@euro_trashling Maybe that's what they want you to believe
Some of these episodes fall more under "Buzzfeed Unpunished" than Buzzfeed Unsolved lmao
Honestly ! Like it's clear who did it, it's just they've never been jailed
@@Thewritingelf I bet you talk like that you loser.
Z wtf
@@EmptyPeace Sometimes before you reply maybe you should ask yourself... is it really a necessary or helpful addition? I bet you'd leave a lot less comments
@@EmptyPeace dude... it was literally just a typo...
I listen to unsolved every night to fall asleep and needless to say have seen this ep many times but it’s only now standing out to me how young Elizabeth Short was. 22??? That puts a whole new tone to the case for some reason.
I DO THIS TOO
I feel so sorry for the girl, being a victim of this ruthless man, he's a Monster and it's so obvious who the murderer is i wonder they didn't they Arrest him as he was a doctor, he must be powerful
Hodel didn’t do it.
When you say “Man Ray” I think of the guy from spongebob
@Patrick Lopez same here
Patrick Lopez i was thinking of a guy name man fuk.
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Lmfaoooooo omg me toooo
Same