Scottish independence: How likely is a second referendum? - BBC Newsnight
Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has told Prime Minister Boris Johnson that a second independence referendum is "a matter of when - not if". But can Westminster block the democratic will of the Scottish Parliament? Please subscribe HERE bit.ly/1rbfUog
The SNP has just won an unprecedented fourth term in office in the Scottish Parliament election, winning more than twice as many seats as their nearest rivals.
They stood on a manifesto to hold a second independence referendum in the coming years - as did the Scottish Greens. Between them the two parties have a clear pro-independence majority at Holyrood.
However, this does not mean they can go straight ahead to planning a vote.
For Scotland to actually become independent, Ms Sturgeon is clear that the process must be both legally and internationally recognised.
And Mr Johnson is clear that he does not want there to be a referendum any time soon, saying the vote in 2014 - which saw Scots reject independence by 55% to 45% - should be binding for "a generation".
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*2014* 🏴: please don’t leave, Scotland. We promise we’ll stay in the EU, and you can benefit from our EU membership. 🏴: or else? 🏴: or else it will be very difficult for you to re-enter the EU. 🏴: alright, I’ll vote no. *2016* 🏴: pack your bags everyone, we’re leaving the EU! 🏴: WTF?!! You promised- 🏴: Shut up. This was a democratic vote. We’re leaving. *2020* 🏴: We want to leave. 🏴: No! 🏴: Why? 🏴: That’s un-democratic!
A classic reminder valid for everyone saying "you can't achieve nothing without me" is not a good way to stop a break up, it's a phrase that usually push the one that want to go away harder in that direction.
Yes it is coercion.
Yep
Its the classic language of an abusive partner in a relationship.
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@@jonathansimmons5353 HAHAHAHA haven't laughed so much in a while thanks. 😂 😂 😂 Tory Andrew Neil as someone to believe.... Priceless.
Scotland, you should definitely leave. Get off the sinking ship and be free for once!
cherray50 ---- Yes --- to join the eu. Freedom! Oh .. the irony! 😅
@@seantheplayer8047 never going to happen 🐑🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@@phimister78 Correct! That is my point! GB!
Britian already got off the sinking ship
@@seantheplayer8047 aye in about 45 years, and 3 name changes to our country, and then an agreement to pump all our money into another sinking ship.
If Scotland becomes independent I don't need anything for Christmas anymore
You will be trapped in England with the bearded men.
You won't have one...
I will make sure your wishes are carried out. lol
Most of Europe...
Very sad. When we have Sturgeon, Swinney, Forbes, Blackford, Wishart, Sheridan, Law etc etc who supposed to be representing Scotland then only disaster will ensue. We have a failed Education system and a broken NHS health service which is down to the SNP. Dundee is the drug capital of Europe, £45 million pounds lost in the Ferguson Shipyard and Bi Fab, No mention of security for Scotland. Air Force, Navy, Army. Christ we can't even build a ferry on time. Currency? OAP pensions,, Disability allowances, we in Scotland already pay the highest taxes? Garunteed anything free will have to be paid for. Prescriptions, Bus travel etc. We are definitely not Bonnie Scotland but Broken Scotland thanks purely to the SNP. Sturgeon even lied in the Alex Salmond enquiry or just forgot again!! I lost my job as a miner in the 80s during the Thatcher years but can honestly say that this is without doubt the very worst time in my life purely down to the SNP and especially Nicola Sturgeon. Personally I prefer Sterling in my pocket not Bank of Sturgeon money. One woman's dream and a once proud country's nightmare.
It must be pointed out Scottish independence/referendum is not about the SNP or Nicola Sturgeon it’s about Scotland its people its future. You could get a situation where the referendum is wone and independence is gained next election a different party wins but that’s self-determination
Totally agree
What happens if we want a vote to get back into 🇬🇧 if this 🤡 gets her way ! 19 fraud investigations already !!!!!!!!!
We just gonna keep having ref’s until SHE GETS WHAT SHE WANTS
C'mon your kidding no one, this "Is" about stirfry and her groupies,..any one thinking different is a complete brainwashed fool.🤡
@@krisMcA82 independence is inevitable with or without sturgeon.
FREE SCOTLAND!!! The EU has apen arms for you
Run by apes?
@@sammythepilot4871 Ursula von der Monkey.
Free eu member states. Europe has arms for you not the EU
The EU is corrupt and should be abolished!
@@arga9767 Perhaps one day the member states will do so...I will always be proud to have taken the first brick out of the wall at the ballot box.
Scottish independence, seems logical when they are not respected in their said union. Boris Johnson even said more devolution is out of the question, so its clear that he does not want to negotiate. Let alone brexit was the will of Britain, not of all the nations in the U.K.... easy to win a union referendum when you go by popular vote rather than Union states agreement.
So true - a Union of equals my arse, time to cut away and be good neighbours
@@colinross3755 Most nationalists are just a bunch of Anglophobes
@@lilbrit1019 is that right? And you know this by the amount of deep research you’ve done on the matter…….nope thought so. There is nothing anti English about wanting your country to be independent and your crap assertion on that front shows more about you than it does anything about someone who supports independence. It is a ridiculous thing to say without any foundation.
@@colinross3755 As a Englishmen who lived in scottland during the 1st ref and the time after yes i can confirm there is a serious Anglophobia problem rising. You can even see it on the internet and the rhetoric nationalists use
@@lilbrit1019 I’m sorry you experienced that, you wouldn’t have experienced it from me. I got annoyed because your generalised statement was really calling me an anglophobe - my position is not to judge people by their immutable characteristics - skin, race, ethnicity, hair colour, sexual preference etc etc but how you are by your actions and words - and to be honest I’m open to change about words particularly in social media context because it can be difficult to really get someone if you know what I mean. I honestly think the negative attitudes are towards Westminster and the support for that place which is construed as be anti English because Westminster is predominantly English. I don’t get that anti English sentiment but I’m not denying your experiences. The thing with Indy is though that it is not a current partnership of equals, surely you can see that, and what is intrinsically wrong with wanting to govern yourselves - that’s what I want nothing to do with anti anyone or any other country or people. Not trying to fall out with you just challenging the statements 👍
How can you Scots be for independence and then want to join the EU. Why would you get out of the pot and into the fire? Be true independent and govern yourselves with no outside interference including the corrupt EU that will never do so much as consider your best interests in any of its rulings.
Quincy Raven ... Spot on! Look at what the SNP stands for .. . *"Scottish INDEPENDENCE Party"* Where does that word, *INDEPENDENCE* fit in with their aspirations. And they want to have their laws provided and enforced by the EU! They want their highest court to be subservient to the ECJ ... etc., etc., ... Spare me ffs!
@KRYO BOY Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Oh dear! a triggered sweaty with a chip and who has no idea of what independence and democracy is! How strange is that? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Thanks, sweaty! I love a laugh! Very apt name btw! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! 😅 😅 😅 😅 😅 😅 😅 😅 😅 😅
Pretty sure they are only accountable to themselves and its no ones business but theirs.
Top tip for the Scottish, just let the English have the referendum on whether they want Scotland to stay. They'll vote you out ASAP
And the Westminster would then ignore that result. It is heartening to know we would have so much support from our friends in England. Remember that Cornwall, Newcastle and even Norfolk don't want to be part of England. That tells you something.
And Scotland thanks you.
There will be a fight, Scotland will win.
Great comment 😭😭😭😭
Excellent ... demand that from ur MP pls
I'm surprised the professor made no mention of the right of a people to self determination. Being a principle of international law it would clearly be relevant to the conversation over the right of Scotland to have a legal referendum.
He thinks we don't know. 😂
They’re full of sht
The UK: the EU won't let us be free!!!! The EU: you can leave whenever you want Scotland: we'd like a referendum to leave the UK The UK: no you can't leave
So true
true
Nice one trolls
It's not if Scotland leaves the UK it's when and the Torys cant stop it and they know it.
A referendum does not guarantee a Scottish exit, it merely presents them with a choice. Then we shakk truly see where things stand. Time to make it happen.
Yeah just like brexit won't take us out of the single market. Give your head a wobble
They have the right to be independent if they want so. Simple as that.
but they don't this is just an emotional response to brexit they started captaining so hard now bc brexit is getting out of the people's minds and they will be able to realize: "oh wait our economy takes a bad hit whiteout eu but it is destroyed without uk"
Why was the 2014 referendum not enough? "Because we didn't sign up for brexit". Well if you vote to remain part of a union of 4 countries you should accept the consequences that the 4 countries all vote and we have to respect the outcome. So Scotland votes to remain in UK 2014, UK decides to leave EU, Scotland now wants to leave UK. It doesn't make sense. You voted to stay in the UK, you accept the consequences. Otherwise, if Scotland leave the UK, is the UK allowed to go to EU and ask them for another referendum because "we didn't sign up for Scotland leaving"? What's the point of a vote if you're not gonna live by it.
You sound like a tit on too much arrogance.
@@johnbinnie5697 Just tell me what's the point of a vote if you don't accept the outcome. And answer me should the UK get another BREXIT referendum if Scotland leaves because "its not what they signed up for".
@@ciankai that kids can’t except facts
it’s official that’s never going to happen ever. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Shame
The break up of the union is necessary for the English to learn to stand on their own two feet.
Why does everyone forget about the Welsh and Irish?
@@Jack-uy7ie Well, the Irish admitted they were a nation and shot their way out of the Union more than a century ago. Ireland has been making decisions free of Westminster ever since. Welsh national identity it less developed politically because of the large English population living there, but is on the rise. So that leaves the Scots and English. The Scots seem to be ready for independence in increasing numbers, while the English still need others to depend on them as part of their own identity and simply managed to leave the wrong union.
@@taintabird23 Ok well Irish in NI are apart of the Union and you obviously know nothing of welsh identity and the value wales. To say the union is just between you and the English is a slap in the face to the rest of you countrymen. It seems you don't really know much about anything other than parroting a self obsessed politician. Even if the Scots voted to leave the UK then you wont be allowed back into the EU. On paper you could potentially make it in 10 years but as long as Catalonia remains apart of Spain they will Veto.
@@Jack-uy7ie You either did not read my post properly, or did not understand it. I'm married to a Welsh woman, she will be amused by your observation.
@@Jack-uy7ie Oh I get it now. You think I'm Scottish. Incidentally, the Spanish veto is dependent on the manner of Scottish independence, but you won't read that in The Sun. As for EU , it is likely the Scots will be fast tracked into the bloc as the PR value will be delicious. Remember, Brexiters think the EU can bend the rules for them, so why not the Scots?
I didn't vote for the SNP last week - personally I can't stand them nor Nicola Sturgeon. However, my opinion is clearly in the minority here in Scotland and Boris Johnson has absolutely no right to refuse 'permission' for another referendum. It's as simple as that. The guy at 4:20 is an absolute tosser. This arguement about once in a generation is weak as fuck and baseless. People are allowed to change their minds - it's why we vote every now and then. Not every generation. Also, the landscape has changed.
Nicola Sturgeon IS CLEARLY A MOUTHPIECE AND GIMMIC FOR THE GLOBALISTS PUSHING THE GIRL POWER TREND , CANT BELIEVE THERE PUSHING THE INDEPENDANCE LIE WHEN JOINING THE EU TAKING ON THERE CURRENCY THEN PAYING THERE KICK BACKS TO THE MAFIA BOSS GERMANY IS FAR FROM IT , NOW THE DONS OF THE EU WANT TO PUNISH UK IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE GIVE US SOME TERRITORIES LIKE SCOTLAND N IRELAND DONT FALL FOR IT !!!
@@olcapone3039 You are clearly off on some conspiracy trip which has nothing to do with Nicola Sturgeon or Scotland as a whole.
@@alicemilne1444 STURGEON IS A SHILL FOR THE GLOBALISTS
@@olcapone3039 Don't be silly
@@alicemilne1444 STURGEON AND MOST WESTERN PUPPET LEADERS HAVE AT ABOUT AS MUCH DECISION MAKING POWER AS A MANAGER A MCDONALDS THERE ALLOWED TO SHUFFLE A FEW THINGS AROUND BUT ITS THE SHARE HOLDERS THAT MAKE THE REAL DECISIONS , BLACK ROCK , JP MORGAN , GOLDMAN SACHS , GEORGE SOROS &CO Bridgewater Associates THESE ARE THE SHARE HOLDERS OF MOST NATIONS , STURGEON ANSWERS TO THE SHARE HOLDERS !!!!
According to international law, ones that the UK argued in international courts for, says Scotland does not need permission from the country bring ceceded from. I know it you know it but you are all Britnat Tories and won't admit you need Scotland.
Hoping our celtic brothers get their independence!
@Chaz The history is older than Ulster and not as cut and dry as your claim. Dál Riata spanned both sides of the channel and the Scots Gallowglass genraled many of the Irish clans.
Without Scotland clearly England would never have been a player, the Scots built the empire along with everything else.
Fibre Optic ... Really! Take a look at English v Scottish inventions over the centuries!
@@kilted_scottish_laddie864 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Yeah ... course it was!! For the non-believers (snigger) ... prove it to them with facts! 😅 😅 😅 😅
@@kilted_scottish_laddie864 And there I was, thinking I could have a serious and decent debate with a chip-on-shoulder jock! I shoulda known better. Look you half-wit ... YOU made the point on Scotland being the backbone of the BE! Do not ask ME to research YOUR points! it is YOU who needs to substantiate them if you make them! You, not knowing this basic principle, are therefore the ignorant one.
@@thepianoman1010 look mate av just got aff work and I cannie be bothered to copy links am just about to make dinner anaw av got priorities mate hahaha
@@kilted_scottish_laddie864 Correct on James Watt ... and ships being built in Scotland was a decision made at Westminster. Regarding Scots numbers in the British Army ... Nope! Defence is a big employer in Scotland. According to the quarterly location statistics for April 2014, published by the Ministry of Defence, there were 14,510 MoD personnel based in Scotland, 7.5% of the UK's total, of whom 10,600 were military (4,210 navy; 3,690 army; 2,700 air force) and 3,910 civilian. As a population pro-rata share of the UK's current armed forces, the scottish armed force would number around 12,600. "As at 1 April 2020 of those personnel stationed in the United Kingdom the large majority were in England (90%), 7% were stationed in Scotland, 2% were in Wales and 1% were in Northern Ireland."
Freedom to Scotland! Hi from Ukraine!
Freedom to become tied to EU laws? Ha ha ha ha ha !! Funny!
Scotland could certainly survive economically. When the oil market is doing well, Scotland actually has a smaller deficit than the UK as a whole, so the Scottish National Party has claimed they could increase spending if the rest of the UK stopped taking Scotland's oil revenues.
Oil prices have been reducing for a long time now, making the industry much less lucrative, aswell as the Scottish government spending more money than they earn, by receiving money from the UK, all this whilst promising more and more expensive social problems, & that's just if you think economics is the only issue with the Union staying together
Whatever they will be screwed and poorer than an ancient British colony of Africa Sure Scots may Have independence but if they are whining to enter in EU they can go f** themselves and cry more for their bad decision at 2nd referendum
There are 5 vital contributors to growth and development in a country. These include natural resources, a skilled population, access to trading markets, well-functioning products and sectors to trade with, and a supportive financial services system. Scotland possesses all of these in abundance, suggesting the country’s capability to boost its economic growth. With independence, Scotland would have the ability to become a more prosperous nation, holding the power to create bespoke and sustainable economic growth strategies. The value of Scotland's proven reserves per UK resident under the current fiscal regime is $1,020. If an independent Scotland mirrored Norway's tax & ownership structure over oil, the value would be $27,479 per Scottish resident.
@@shanhami2433 you are still believing at Santa Claus. Scotland was nothing without British Empire I want to say.
But when you look at the Scottish governments own figures they only put oil revenue at £724 million last year In fact oil revenues have been hit hard over the last few years since the USA started fracking and brought the price of oil right down. www.gov.scot/publications/government-expenditure-revenue-scotland-gers-2019-20/ It’s all very well saying we have $150 Billion worth of oil yet to be brought up from the North Sea. But remember that doesn’t translate into $150Bn for the Scottish government. private companies will have to spend billions first to explore and find out where it is. Then spend billions more extracting it from the sea floor. Also it could take many years to extract all of that oil so the $37,000 per head would be minus the costs of getting it out of the sea floor Minus the profits made by the companies. Split over 30 years. The SNP green coalition are already talking about the transition away from oil and some of their MSPs have suggested not giving out any new drilling licenses. The oil industry in Scotland will likely carry on for the next 20-30years but it will be 20-30 years of slow decline unfortunately. 75% of Scotland’s GDP is generated in the service sector. 60% of all the products and services we sell go to the rest of the U.K. Only 19% goes to Europe www.gov.scot/binaries/content/gallery/ess-2018---webpage-graphic-png How can it possibly be a good thing for Scotland to leave our biggest customer In favour of a much smaller one. Would it not be better for Scotland’s service sector if we had trade deals with other English speaking countries like Canada, Australia and the world’s biggest economy the USA? It’s much easier for the Scottish service sector to do business with these countries rather than EU ones who speak multiple different languages to ourselves. Scotland raises £65Bn in tax www.gov.scot/publications/government-expenditure-revenue-scotland-gers-2019-20/pages/1#TableS.3 And spends £81Bn www.gov.scot/publications/government-expenditure-revenue-scotland-gers-2019-20/pages/5/ The Deficit is £15Bn Nicola sturgeon has acknowledged that Scotland has a large deficit as-well. It is scary the amount of people who believe that if Scotland becomes independent we will instantly have billions extra to spend which simply is not the case.
Why can't we in England have a referendum to vote our scotland from the UK. We save money and they can go and look after themselves.
😂😂 yes , just let Scotland go and take all its oil with it 👍 I wish there were more like you. Please push your MP for English Independence ❤️
@@Tojokelly Yes ... oil .. that so welcomed fuel of today! Oil's out son!
@@thepianoman1010 we can still make money from the oil. And even so if it runs out we have enough green energy to power Scotland as of rn. We are actually making too much green power as of rn.
@@kilted_scottish_laddie864 I will never argue with facts. Scotland's use of renewable energy is very high. Regarding oil though ... you say Scotland can still make money from oil despite it being frowned upon to a certain extent these days. It’s all very well saying Scotland has so many billions worth of oil yet to be brought up from the North Sea but remember that doesn’t translate into billions for the Scottish government. Private companies will have to spend billions first to explore and find out where other oil fields are and then spend billions more extracting it from the seafloor. The SNP green coalition are already talking about the transition away from oil and some of their MSPs have suggested not giving out any new drilling licenses so I've read. 75% of Scotland’s GDP is generated in the service sector. 60% of all the products and services Scotland sells, go to the rest of the U.K. Only 19% to 20% goes to Europe. "Under the present arrangement the oil tax revenues are assigned to an economic region set up by the UK government, which is called the UK Continental Shelf (UKCS). This means that oil resources are not officially assigned to Scotland but instead to a region distinct from the British mainland. But if Scotland were to become independent, and a sovereign state, it would expect the UKCS to be divided up on a "geographical" basis. Prof Alex Kemp, from the University of Aberdeen, is the leading expert on Scotland's oil industry. He says if Scotland were to become independent the "median line" principle would be the "obvious one" to use. This means drawing a dividing line on which all points are the same distance from the Scottish and rest of the UK (RUK) coastline. Prof Kemp says this is the method which was used when the North Sea was originally divided up between the UK and other countries in the 1960s. The most important treaty was signed between the UK and Norway in 1965 using the median line, although later, when the oil began to flow in the Norwegian sector, there were many who said the UK had been far too lenient. The median line approach was also used to determine the boundary between Scotland and the rest of the UK for fisheries after devolution in 1999. On this occasion, the line was effectively imposed on Scotland by Westminster and there were opponents who said that it took away a large amount of Scottish territory. The median line produces an oddly curved line which because of the peculiarities of the coastline heads steeply north and at some points is level with Dundee, about 100 miles from the border at Berwick. It is the same principle as the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)."
@@thepianoman1010 wow, that was a nice read, I’ll have to get a bit more educated on this topic for sure. thank you for the info
How likely is it that the BBC will still exist in order to report on the second referendum?
It's coming home, it's coming, karma's coming home
Karma isn't real 🤦♂️
Ohh the right to self-determination is coming to bite them back in the ass
@@cubife6451 Nether was the chant of "it's was coming home"
Why not to stop confusion have a vote to ask if they want a vote😅
It needs a vote to see whether they want a vote to ask whether they want a vote
@@mateeq2579 Shhh! You mustn't be honest with the Scots either... it's not just the SNP who want a referendum it's the Scottish greens as well that would definitely increase the percentage of vote in sway of one...
@@mateeq2579 Another pre programmed idiot who does no research.
Yeah but we’d need a vote to ask if we want that vote and so on and so forth
Ok 'Steven' aka Count Binface! I reckonize the 'have a referendum on if there should be a referendum' policy from a mile off
Sturgeon cannot even stitch a simple majority together and in the same breath claims mandate for Scottish wishes. What a circus show!
The Scottish electoral system is anything but simple. It's not first past the post like Westminster.
boris won 43% of the vote yet still got brexit threw, you can't make that argument cause you'll just look like a hypocrite
If achieving a majority is so simple in Edinburgh, why don't you explain the Scottish Parliamentary elections system or are you too busy collecting your Darwin Award?
So Scotland will go from being controlled by London to being controlled by Brussels. How is this independent?
Brussels doesn't impose common foreign policy nor does it impose a common army. False equivalence
Independent from England is good enough, I reckon!
I love this idea that just appeared in the last five years that nations in the EU aren’t independent 😂 is it because you can’t differentiate between unions if any kinda or? Are UN members also not independent? What about the Arab League are none of them independent? Obviously the EU and the UK control very different powers and are generally vastly different. for one thing scotland (even as a tiny part of the union) would have a veto in the EU, something it doesn’t have in the UK. Despite this I am not really pro EU myself, but to pretend all unions are the same thing is a little silly
Are you genuinely suggesting that France or Germany, for example, aren't independent countries?
Better than having english interference., any day.
Democracy has already won, they had a vote, they voted to stay. It's not democracy to keep having a vote until the snp get what they want.
Nope! You should not have voted for Brexit if you wanted Scotland to stay. Simple as that. Leaving the biggest trade union in the world changes *E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G.* Btw! (I told ya so!)
@@madrockon7357 What a thoroughly stupid thing to say .... so, according to you, the large majority of the UK should not have voted to leave a completely undemocratic club in order to live once again in a self-governing, independent country, .... one where we can vote out the people who make the laws we must abide by ... because of a country with around 8% the population of the rest of the UK? Take me to your leader! Pathetic! 😅 😅
@Chaz Denying what is true wont change anything. That is why it's called denial. History is happening before your very eyes while people are telling you *EXACTLY WHY IT HAPPENED TO YOUR FACE,* and you are still denying it. This is why you have a conservative government that is cucking you all. The Majority of the English electorate are bigoted and politically uneducated. How the mighty have fallen...
@Chaz Show us one racist policy then.
@@thepianoman1010 You clearly have no idea of how the EU's institutions work. Educate yourself. kzhead.info/sun/nZmYhbluoIWkra8/bejne.html
William Wallace said FREEDOM...but Scotland is still under English control! Please fight to get Scotland free!🏴🇮🇪🇪🇺
If Scottish Independence means the erection of a hard border with England, then I do not believe Nicola Sturgeon has the remotest clue of the predicament it will place Scotland in, and the possible dangers both countries could be faced with from local or outside influences.
Scotlands facing plenty of dangers in the union as it is, least if we're independent we get to make the decisions for ourselves
Scotland needs to get shot of fascist little England and realign itself with the security of Europe. England is lost to fascism.
@@jonathanbennet2580 Your reply puzzles me somewhat. What is the point of making your own decisions if it means you may be committing suicide?, and don't forget that whatever decisions Scotland makes will have to fall within the parameters of EU law. However, I do agree with you that Scotland should be allowed to make its own decisions in the hope they are the right ones.--- I wish both you and Scotland well:.
@@stoufer2000 The freedom you have today allows you to make inane and stupid name-calling remarks like (Fascist Little England) It says a lot about you and your (intelligence).
@@gordonmills7798 Suicide? Cmon man its not gonna be the end of the world. U r aware that Ireland is right next door and is doing fine economy wise. Nice to find someone who disagrees whos actually civil about it though
Why did the graphic toward the start of the video say “Scottish parliamentary election 2019”? It should be 2021!!!!
Brexit media coverage was constantly negative for years With Scottish Independence the media has hardly been critical of the implications of independence? Why? 1. How can you be pro-Independence and pro-EU integration. They are contradictions 2. Scotland is NOT a net budget contributor to the rest of the UK. Where is income shortfall going to come from? 3. 60% of Scotlands trade is with the rest of the UK. EU trade is far less. What sense does that make to leave?
You can be pro-independence and pro- EU. The Sottish will also still be left deeply integrated into England. The UK is worse off economically after Brexit too.
Nah man it's just a good idea
@@peregrineslim4446 that’s just a lie look at how well we’ve done with those vacations
1: Every country in the EU is independent. Thats just a silly argument that worked on the English..
Points 2 & 3 are correct, point 1 is not. The EU has nowhere near as much control over member states as the UK government has over member nations. They don't get a say in governance. The EU was also financing a great deal of Scotland's infrastructure projects prior to Brexit. It is possible to want independence with support of the EU; and it makes clear sense that Scottish nationalists would want it.
Scotland has the right to ask for a ref whenever they feel unhappy with the union. Keep saying no to them because it is not what you want is almost holding an entire country to your will. You can make an argument why the union is good, but you cannot say no to their request.
Please don’t disappoint us this time 🏴🇮🇪
??? U are from Kerala India and communist , how does it relate to you 🤣
Get a life 🏴🇬🇧
I’m an Irish ye fecking eejits ...Tiocfaidh ár lá...☘️ ☘️ ☘️ 🇮🇪 🇮🇪 🇮🇪
@@sreejesh3622 🤣😂 Irish Nair 🤣🤣
@@SK-tb3yu I can’t argue with a deluded racist piece of sh**. Thank you.
The brexit referendum was not called based on 37% of the vote... you're forgetting ukip and the DUP in the 2015 election, putting the pro referendum/ eurosceptic camp over 50% of the total vote share
Free Scotland! Free Wales! Hail a Celtic union
No more free university, no more free prescriptions paid by the english!
@@anonomous8719 just saying in Wales we get a grant and loan from student finance Wales. Lets not forget Wales supplies your water and paying for your stupid HS2 which doesn't benifit us. And because University is a loan its not free. Scotland and Wales is basically tools for the English. We are used Wales has the water and Scotland has the oil.
@@Rowanie the whole of the U.K. pay for HS2. England pays Scotland £32 billion and Wales £16 billion. Oil revenue is only £734 million. So how is Scotland going to fund the other £31.9 billion? Higher taxes or cut to public spending that you don’t want.
@@anonomous8719 the HS2 is only built in England so yes Scotland and Wales is funding it without any reap benifit. Not only that Westminster is trying to do things without the sendd permission for example extend the M4 corridor. Putting aside if its good or not they are trying to do things without our permission. So screw Westminster. I actually agree that Wales for example is not ready to be fully independent but I think we should push bojo back and start moving towards an indy. So if your suggesting we aren't ready I would completely agree with you. However we still supply things that England needs for example water. Westminster has been trying to power grab
@@Rowanie Scotland has paid a single penny towards HS2 Do some research ya numpty
If the UK is a real democracy, it will give Scottish people a choice. Its that simple. There is no need to hold a nation hostage, especially when you claim to be champion of democracy.
They had a choice in 2014, what does the SNP want? A vote every 7 years till they get what they want?
@@benardo01 Conditions have changed DRASTICALLY. One main argument was that Scotland would find itself out of the EU. That's no longer an issue. Polls show that independence still won't happen, but the landscape is drastically different, so they deserve a say.
@@benardo01 the choice was also about leaving the EU. They will of Scotland was to remain in the EU yet England takes away Scottish democracy.
@@utubebroadcaster if you actually look at the polls you'll find the appetite for scottish independence is quite low. Besides scotland voted to remain in the UK and the UK voted to leave the EU
They should get a vote but so should Shetland and Orkney, they don’t want to leave
Scotland also supports staying in the EU. Why does Northern Ireland have a special trade agreement with the EU while Scotland cannot?
I voted for Independence six years ago and lost so let's move forward, you can't have referendums until you get the result you want. I won't be voting for Independence next time, if you go back into EU that is not Independence!
So you think all elections should stop aswell. Very brave
EU has told Nicola they don't want them,that's what Johnson is working on.
@Jeppe Achton Nielsen since you don't know me or other people commenting,you don't have the right to say I'm making things up,if you did you would know I do a very in-depth research into anything I do,and since I have family still here I'm intitled to say and do as I like, obviously English,or doesn't have a clue what your on about,be very careful what you say.
This guy is a idiot!
@@judis6224 you like making up shit stories?
if the SNP wants independence and joins the EU then let them be let the unionist move to England and Wales
Being in the EU is NOT independence.
@@lordcustard-smythe-smith9153 being in the UK certainly isn't.
@@Lunarfacia How is it not? Scotland canny currently afford itself without the U.K.
@@lordcustard-smythe-smith9153the UK agreed with 98% of the laws, the ones they didnt were mostly based on improved consumer and workers rights... However when EU told them they were going to have to comply with the Tax avoidance laws on offshore tax havens... the full might of the Elites swung into action to mislead the public and we got Brexit. The real cost to the normal man on the street is now showing. If Scotland were to go independent, I would imagine England rejoining the EU. Brexit is a mess and so far everything has been negative.
Sorry. Did I get it wrong? I thought the 'people of Scotland' voted NO at the last and 'once only' referendum
Oh god , who but the Scots care , put it on BBC Scotland, we don’t want this day in and day out on English TV ...I mean will it change my little life in England whatever way it goes ? No it won’t.
You can go Scotland but you can’t use Sterling, cannot have nuclear weapons, will not be part of UN Security Council, not part of NHS, hard border with England if you join EU etc.
That's precisely Russia's position on Crimea, and with more reason!
@Militaria Millar you’re a special kind of dumb eh? My Mum will be getting a new hip on the 21st of September 2021 just 7 months after attending at the private hospital I paid for. She’ll receive the surgery and then get a specialist consultant and nurse with her on call 24 hours a day in a private room for the duration of her stay. All of this is possible because I have money and thankfully the United States of America exists so she can be cared for properly, if it was up to the blessed NHS (that I and she have contributed tens of if not hundreds of thousands of pounds to) she would be waiting until she was 70. That’s 3 years waiting. If England goes the way of America then you as a Scot will see your health service suffer even more. I mean do you not understand economics even a little bit? There’s no one in Scotland to pay for the healthcare system *now* what do you think it will be like when there’s a 70% tax on high earners and everyone in the right mind has left (that includes businesses and banks?)
@Militaria Millar also calling someone a troglodyte while advocating for the EU and against the UN is absolutely the funniest thing I’ve seen a communist do in a while. Genuinely made me laugh out loud.
@Militaria Millar Calling UN a joke and then refusing Nuclear weapons. Thank God you are not as clever as Nicola Stur..oh wait never mind.
Thank you BBC for making this. It cleared up a few questions I had about the matter. It seems quite confusing since they don’t seem to know their own laws. Hope both England and Scotland can come to an agreement that settles both sides
BBC should reprot why CHINA is better than UK and USA
@@liqiang4506 They can't because it isn't.
@@allrounder7003 fake news
@@liqiang4506 It's not news, it's been a fact for a long time.
@@liqiang4506 yes better in some ways but not all look at the pollution in China look how big your population is if there is a shortage in food because of global warming people will starve very quickly and China puts out more pollution than the rest of the world put together.
I'm not Scottish or English, but it seems to me that Scotland has the alienable right to decide on it's own future without interference from Westminster. Let the English worry about England and the Scottish worry about Scotland. I'm sure Scotland isn't an English Colonial Possession. My understanding is, you have a voluntary Union among Nations. So if someone doesn't want to be with you anymore, just let them Go. Stop resisting the inevitable, you are two different Countries. Stay friends and respect each other's differences.
As an American, I wholeheartedly support breaking away from England. We did it before and Scotland can do it now.
I quite agree that Scotland should be allowed to go it alone as America did with the help of the French Army and Navy. Maybe China or/and Russia will send a few divisions over to help out
It's not a union anymore it's an occupation
So I’m guessing the ginger one was the roast and the other two made up the spit?
*Give them a Vote - and the SNP Pay for it and commit the result will stand for a lifetime (82 Years) with no going back option. However before any vote explain 1) Currency 2) How will Scotland repay the £Billions in Covid Aid from England 3) If intend to Join the EU are the EU willing to accept entry. 4) In the unlikely event of EU acceptance how will a Border work with England. 5) Explain clearly all funds received from England [currently £2450 per person under the Barnett Formula] be scrapped. - The last Vote was 55% to 45% to stay in the UK and I would predict currently in 2021 the result to stay United would be higher.*
Why is your font different from everyone else? Is it because you are a paid government troll?
Are you seriously thinking that you want to spite the scottish cause they want the better deal.. instead of pipe dream of global britain .. britishe empire version 2.0 ... They rather choice facts and want to join a excisting organisation the EU , which sooner or later even England will rejoin. 1 Currency is up to the English if they want to share the pound or not, if not then Sure the EU will help them out with the EURO . 2 Repay Billions in covid aid... so are you keeping tabs for fighting COVID how spitefull, ain't it ain't billions cause Scotland also produce Vaccines.. oh... you didn't know did you. 3 EU already said they can be exception for Scotland rejoining, like I said in january Scotland if they want to rejoin the EU will be fasttracked.. they were taken out of the EU against their will.. 4 Border issue and army issue is simple. lets put it on hold like you done now all over the place. like the British Armed Force they even realize a swift rejoin with the EU is the best outcome. challenger 3 120 mm smoothbore cannon coin still didn't drop ? 5 You really want to be that pittyfull fine lets see all the energy and natural resource going to the UK the maintaining of the army bases and nuclear bases for X years till GB is reformed again. if you really want to share the debt of the UK you also have to share the asset of the UK world wide.. all in all seems like Scotland has win/win .. But lets be real. how is the Global Britain coming along ? read the India trade deal LOL .
@@zombiedetective2167 Too many of them, but this one raises a nice point that I can answer. in the long term Scotland being in the EU also gives England hope of a swifter rejoining the EU .. instead of going trough a 50 year nightmare scenerio... it is reduced to 10 years of seperation.
@@drakehound2244 Scotland could actually adopt a new centralized digital currency. It wouldn’t cost to print, people could choose to get debit cards, or crypto wallets and that digital currency would be easily exchanged into any other currency worldwide! Going digital would be the easiest, most cost effective, and eco friendly! That’s the staple of Scotland. And no matter what agreements are made with the UK or the EU... every base would be covered. With Scotland leading the way in many aspects, adopting a new digital currency would also be leading the world yet again!
So the billions in COVID relief is literally fake made up money with almost zero real value. Currency is something they literally can’t do as every single fiat currency in the world has downright fraudulent interest rates at the moment and we’re about to see a devaluation like there’s never been before. Check the US M1 money stock for further details and the scariest graph you’ll ever see. The money from the Bank of England is basically fake and not really based on anything especially at the moment so if Scotland wanted to it could use the EU as a proxy and stake oil reserve money with them in exchange for a new hard currency ie the Euro. It’s almost the same as the pound in relation to other world currencies and both are about as valuable as each other in relation to commodity prices so I don’t think that’s an issue that would take more than an afternoon to sort out. The hard border with England is actually more of an issue than people realise, there’s no formal military for Scotland and I’m almost certain the regiments based north of the border would remain as British regiments and as subjects of the Queen, meaning that there would almost definitely be a military presence in Scotland by England, Wales & Northern Ireland, at least for a short period. It actually raises a further more important political point (especially regarding where and how we decide what legitimises power) if the Queen of England would still be head of our state? If the answer is yes then why leave and if no then who head of the state and why? (This has crazy complications when you understand how power was first devolved and how intricate the marriage of church and state are.
Funny how she wants to avoid all the fine detail when it comes to how Scotland will pay for her power grab.....
How much fine detail was available for Brexit? None. The problem is that the details which we would all want requires Westminster to enter into a dialogue about separation. But they didn't in 2014 and nor will they for the next one. Nor did the EU with brexit. So no, it's not even slightly strange that Sturgeon cannot provide the fine details. Just as with Brexit, a pro-independence vote will be a leap of faith.
Because she hasn't the faintest idea, she hasn't actually got that document in front of her at the moment. Got a feeling she is wasting her time, people of Scotland know which side their bread is buttered and she has made all those promises before and hasn't carried through with them.
@@margarethunter-bowie5144 makes me laugh, you English know more about Scotland and her people than we the Scottish do. Yet none of you can answer one simple question. WHY why wont England let scotland go. WHY why put up such a fight to keep us tethered.?
@@johnfoxton8737 born and bred in the wee county of Clackmannanshire John, shouldn't presume anything. Of course I'm still interested. I'm here because my family is here. Sorry inadvertently lost my place. I suppose its the old mantra United we stand etc. Been through so much together over the years. Our Forces have fought side by side in perfect harmony, I know they were part of my life for 40 years in one way or another. Personally, it won't affect me, its not going to happen overnight and who knows what life has in store for us. I hope whatever takes place people will be happy with their lot, just hope Sturgeon will be completely honest with you all and stop making promises she can't keep. Have the nurses had their £500 bonus yet? Good Luck.
@@margarethunter-bowie5144 you still haven't answered my question. Why is England fighting tooth and nail to keep scotland tied to them.
Referendum in Scotland??? Why? You've had 2 and You still don't accept the results .
@Raa Hiissdd dass You accept the results but I've changed my mind 🤣🤣🤣 What a ridiculous answer!!!
Just remember Scotland you leave we take nuclear submarines back to the south and NOT ONLY WILL YOU LOSE ALL THOSE JOBS DONT EXPECT THE MONEY WE GIVE YOU!! YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!! YOU WANT TO GO? GO!!! P.S HOW MANY MORE INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM'S ARE YOU GOING HAVE IF YOU HAVE A 2ND VOTE????
cant wait come and get them the now u have no where to put them and been late on ur denuclearisation targets
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And the Northern isles should become a crown dependency before that
If the wanted English money they would hardly be looking for independence from Westminster.
Stand strong with Scotland!! Free Scotland!! Free from the English!! Yes, I purposely came to just comment on BBC's channel.
The Scottish government passed the Referendum Bill... and has said the Indyref2 will be at the end of 2023.
Scottish "Independence" is a misnomer, call it Scexit (like those creatures in the Dark Crystal) because that's what it is.
On the other hand, what about the reverse - I wonder whether England would vote to keep the union with Scotland if it were to be held...!? Ive heard that 65 - 70% of English would vote against the union...!!
Why WOULD they do that? That's basically giving away territory for free!
Scotland had a referendum to leave in 2014 they didnt so what will have changed in 7 years apart from a bunch of minister in scotland who work for westminter lying to us like the whole of westminster is to everyone in the uk at the moment
The union and unions across the world as every goverment they dont represent the natives governments come from europe for the modern world europe created and every country in it including the uk and america
@@richardkent9275 Actually a major factor has changed. Scotland has left the EU despite 62% of Scotland voting to remain.
@@lukegorman4657 you cwnt leave fhe eu after 6 years you may as well know that you cant leave the uk to be honest in pretty sure you know that I was ready to mkvrwte in 2014 to escape Westminster thought at last I ca ewcpar the clutches of tyranny if you didnt leave then you wont be leaving now hopefully you will prove me wrong this time
well this is certainly an interesting comment section
FREE SCOTLAND!
"They have to develop the case for Independence" Where is the case for the union? Especially when we dont actually have a Union at all unless you count a Soviet style bloc of Countries as a Union. We have colonialism posing as a Union. Brexit proves that the fact that Scotland cant leave without permission from England proves that ignoring Devolution proves that. When will we ever see a case for Devolution relative to Independence? Never because there isnt one. The case for Independence is as clear as day. INDEPENDENCE IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN ANY LEVEL OF DEVOLUTION. Prove me wrong.
100% its all a sham u.k goverment is just an illusion with no real substance
@@undergroundimages8131 Its not even a UK Government they only won a dodgy mandate to Govern England and even that wasnt Democratic. They lost the elections in Scotland Wales and NI.
@@maxsimilion8193 I agree should just scrap the whole thing the last person to walk into parliament with good intentions was guy fawkes
Power devolved is power retained. Only thing which gives Scotland 100% power is independence.
If the Scots want to have a vote, they should be able to have it - BoJo doesn't want it because a) it would be super embarrassing to him if he lost Scotland (a real though not certain possibility), b) Scotland does add to Britain's economic weight and whilst not a massive loss for Britain, it would certainly be a loss and would make many countries wonder as to the actual stability and power of Britain, and c) might break the spell over English voters BoJo has (although I doubt it - I genuinely wonder if there is anything he could do that would wake the self-destructive idiots wake up at this point) As for if Scotland should go independent, it's obviously up to them, I'm not a Scot and can only state my views as an outsider, but it seems to me that: a) In the event of independence, a hard border with England would heavily affect Scottish trade. i) As a side note, this presents a problem with joining the EU - what economic studies have been done suggest that (at least initially) an open (or near open) border to trade with England would be more beneficial to Scotland than full membership of the EU. Obviously, this is very dependent on the exact nature of any trade agreement with England or the EU - membership of the EU does pretty much mean there would have to be a hard border with England whilst England has no real trade agreement with the EU. b) Politically, however, Scotlands electoral system genuinely seems to represent the people of Scotland alot better than the Westminster parliament's represents English people. Additionally, the UK parliament has been overly dominated by the Tories for a decade now and its clear thats not a choice the Scots want (as an Englishman, I can say I don't want the Tories with absolute power either, but our system favours the big two parties over everyone else). Politically, I can see Scots wanting the power over their own country that they don't currently have. I guess it comes down to whether Scots hate the control the Westminster government has over Scotland more than the possible economic harm that could occur. Neither approach is without risk.
I support Scotland's and Wale's right to self-determination. 🏴🏴 🤝🇵🇭 ✨✨✨✨
And by extension you should also add Northern Ireland to that as well.
@@bushranger51 I'm sorry I forgot that. Yes to Northern Ireland's right to self-determination ✨🇮🇪🤝🇵🇭✨
Breaking away and becoming independent does not mean automatically joining the EU, they’d have to apply as a new member and the process can take some time, especially since they’d basically be an island nation with a hard border with not only a non-EU nation, but one that broke away in anger.
The EU would be very happy to welcome them back!!!
Why does there need to be a hard border? 🤷♂️
@@Reactivate100 because if Scotland leaves the UK it’s an independent nation, not politically part of Britain anymore and if they meet the criteria to even join the EU that will be another reason why a hard border is needed. Scotland and England isn’t Northern Ireland and Ireland, they don’t have any ground to stand on against a hard border.
Spain would veto and Scotland would be left outside the Uk And EU. Economic ruin
@Jeppe Achton Nielsen Spain has very little to gain from allowing Scotland to join the EU. If Spain blocks Scotland, it sends a message to Catalonia that secession is pointless, which is what Spain wants.
#Scotexit
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So what will happen with Scotland Yard ?
change a name : Little Britain Yard (England +Wales) XDXD
@@ZoldM4cska better will be uk 🇬🇧 more strong not easy to get and fuck that only 1
Its name....... its not based in Scotland
@@ZoldM4cska Wales is 35% for independence......
@@casperwallace9685 I heard many times Northern-Ireland AND Scotland independence! But i never heard Wales independence! Many people say they are always "brothers"
The Northern Ireland Act defines a political generation as seven (7) years !
No
Post that link and quote the clause.
Scotland is not Northern Ireland!!!
"There were 18 years between the two referendums on Scottish devolution, in 1979 and 1997. Mr Salmond cited this gap in that Andrew Marr interview, saying:- "that's what I mean by a political generation". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51120175.amp
Free Scotland, we want you back HOME
Already too many borders in this tiny world
Tiny world? Seems big to me.
Brexit. The gift that keeps on giving. Lmao!
@@scotsexile1 I bet that's not the first time you have said something similar to that about something.
It always feels to me as if people arguing the case for independence spend all their time attacking the conservatives and anything British. Yet when you ask them about the actual merits of independence they clam up. They don’t want to talk about: What the best currency for us to use? Can we avoid a hard border with the U.K. ? How will we deal with our deficit? What sort of relationship should we have with the rest of the U.K.? Is it best to rejoin the EU? If so how long would it take to rejoin? Framing the argument as England is our sworn enemy and we should take as little to do with them as possible. Seems to attract the SNP a lot of votes. However, should the question not be would the average Scottish person be better off if we were independent?
We don't clam up. We can answer all your questions. But why would we? We have nothing to prove to a foreigner.
@@Clan501-Scotland All these questions have been answered, it is just the media portrays it as 'grey areas' and keeps pushing that rhetoric with a negative spin. Sure there are some genuine ones that will need to be sensibly decided after the positive vote (i.e. no point doing it now when one country wont discuss it lol), but the majority of what you typed has been answered. Its absolute madness for Scotland to remain in the union. They have been getting downtrodden and manipulated for well over 300 years. It is not surprise that the age of information is in direct correlation with the rise for independence.
@@Clan501-Scotland Well if you want independence you will have to convince a few no voters like me over to the YES side. I like how to many nationalist if you don’t have the same political beliefs to them you must be a foreigner.
@@niceadz6164 Hi since you know the answer to all the questions could you do me a favour and just explain one of them to me. For example currency?
@@johnredmond6723 Mark Carney has already said a currency union would be beneficial to both parties following independence. Give it a google. Naturally he said this AFTER 2014. This is what is proposed in the interim. For me i see no problem just using the Euro, but hey ho. It really is no big deal, currencies have been designed in less than two weeks in the past.
In the next 50 years and far less in some cases , Scotland regains its independence, Ireland is reunited , Northern England. becomes independent , Wales may stay with southern England . Cornwall may get its own local parliament or join up with Cymru and become independent also . There is going to be a big demand for more and more local democracy. all over the world .
So if 10 member states wanted to leave the eu would like it and it’s Germany France ect
@@hareshgill8994 England and Wales voted to leave the EU , Scotland and n/Ireland didn’t but are leaving also ( n/Ireland is half in half out of the EU . I presume any other country that wanted to leave the EU , it wouldn’t be as complicated as the uk leaving as they would be proper countries in their own right.
The 4 nations in UK having their own democracy would be the healthiest thing to have happened on these islands for generations. England would have to stand on its own feet for once. That alone will highlight exactly the lies Westminster had been running for a very long time.
She's a great politician ,it has to be said . Can you imagine if they did join EU ,we'd have to have a rock solid hard border .The SNP talk utter shit in Westminster though.
id make the border at berwick on tweed that would keep all the wretches in england
@@eweunkettles8207 Well "the treaty of York" could quite easily be disputed and a case for Antonines wall presented ? There would be no problem whilst the Scot's were establishing the "smackaroo" central bank .But if they ever ,and it's a giant hurdle ,qualified to join EU .It would be a serious bone of contention and the EU would probably insist on it .Also they'd have mass immigration .I'm guessing that that would be welcome .There'd have to be customs travel etc.etc. I think it will be interesting more than anything .I couldn't care less either way to be honest .I quite admire Sturgeon .She doesn't play the "victim" and she gets stuck right in to it ,good for her .
Can we have an English referendum too? I don’t feel I’m getting value being in the United Kingdom. Where’s my free prescriptions, earlier aged bus pass and free university fees? 🤷♂️
Ironically England contributes around £4k per person to Scotland each year.
i mean you could ask your goverment for them but u know how tight they are lol
England is already controlled by India and Pakistan look at the latest cabinet
Yes Minister laid out clearly why regional governments will not work. Blair is a fool.
Another nomination for the Darwin Award
In 2008 Boris voted against an EU referendum then in 2016 he became Mr Brexit so to say that another Scottish referendum is too early is just a shitty argument tbh
It was UKIP that prompted the vote ya helmet.
@@NoName-vy8vu type in 'theyworkforyou' on Google, search Boris Johnson, scroll down to 2008 on his voting record, you will see that he voted against an EU referendum bill when it was passed through parliament.
@@tajs476 Omfg what part of UKIPs push for EU referendum AFTER 2008 do you not understand? The people had already voted to leave the EU by the time Boris johnson was PM?? Which part are you not understanding?
@@NoName-vy8vu I think you have misunderstood, what I am saying is that Boris was against Brexit in 2008 then for Brexit in 2016 so it is unreasonable and hypocritical to suggest that Scotland already decided to stay in the union back in 2014 cause if we go by our Prime Ministers standards it should be perfectly reasonable for Scotland to have another referendum.
@@tajs476 we voted in 2014 on the understanding it would be once in a lifetime? Leaving the EU was never claimed to be once in a lifetime kzhead.info/sun/fsedYZaPrYhramg/bejne.html
Lets be clear about this: Scotland DID NOT support the SNP's IndyRef2. For that to be true, the fake nationalists (SNP and Greens) would have had have won over 50 percent of the actual vote available. There was 4.297.503 voters in Scotland, only 1.291.204 voted for the SNP, and 34,990 for the Scottish Greens. the two main psudo-nationalist parties on the Constituency card. (The regional vote cannot really be used here) and this meant that only 30.04 % of the actual votes went to the SNP, and 1.28 % to the Greens. And only 48.67 % for both parties if you go with actual turnout (2.724.191). Considering the major the importance of this election, we saw 1.573.312. (36.60 %) voters uninterested in the SNP's message and stayed at home. Yes, the SNP won the election and therefore can form the new administration, but they cannot claim that SCOTLAND spoke, that is a claim too far.
Election manifestos are enacted by the winner. If you don't vote that is a waste, but it can not be construed as an opinion.
@@thefastandthedead1769 Most people don't vote for manifestos. They vote for a myriad of other reasons, and most people who vote don't even know what is in these manifestos. In Scotland, very few people trust the Tories because we are still suffering from Thatcherphobia. And the Scottish Labour Party, alongside the other parties are simply not up to protecting us from nasty Westminster. So they loan their vote to a party who they think will protect them from those nasty Tories at Westminster. And for the record, the SNP should not be allowed to peddle lies. They say that they promote Scottish self-determination, an independent Scotland, but this is not true. They attack Unionist parties for fighting to keep us within the union with Britain, and yet they never admit that they are also a unionist party, for they want to take us out of one union, simply to take us into another political union - this makes them a unionist movement, not a nationalist one.
@@mephistophelean It is one box for a cross. It is clearly stated in writing what the Scottish Greens and SNP stood for in the election in May. It's done and they won. Next point. Their is a world of difference between the UK democracy and the EU's. Educate yourself. kzhead.info/sun/nZmYhbluoIWkra8/bejne.html
@@thefastandthedead1769 Wow, you really don't know the electorate do you. I doubt that you have ever canvassed for any party, because had you did, you would have learnt the lesson that most people have preconceived views concerning what a party represents, and it ain't in their manifestos. You try to paint a politically aware electorate, when the majority don't follow politics. Surely you have heard the old saying: put a red rosette on a monkey, and people will vote for it. Well, that generation of voters are still with us. Just because the SNP won the election, doesn't make them the voice of Scotland, it just means they get to lie and abuse power for the next few years. As for the Scottish Greens, well let's look at those jokes, they won only 34.990 votes, thus securing only 0.82 % of the national vote. Or 1.28 % of the Constituency vote whilst the Lib Dems secured 187.745 votes, thus securing 4.36% of the national vote. Or 6.89 % of the Constituency vote. You would think that under our democratic process, the Libs would have secured more seats than the Greens. No, somehow our so-called fairer system didn't distribute seats based on voter strength at all. The Greens took a total of 8 seats, but the poor Libs only 4 seats. Something is far wrong in the world of Scottish elections where a party that can only secure less than 35,000 votes out of some 4 million can double the amount of seats of a party that won 4.5 times times that number. As for the EU, the flagship policy of the SNP has nothing to do with Scottish self-determination, it's about taking us out of one union, so that we can be enslaved in another, one were our voice will be mute, where we do what we are told.
Scotland should be an independent country and let freedom and democracy prevail.
Double standards westerners will never let that happen.
Oh no how will we survive without all that haggis and drug abuse?
And all the oil money you Tory pricks gladly take from us. Mate England's more of a shitehole than than Scotland
grow up ,he is only one guy and u think he is the entire country of England!?
England is a sh*thole. Scotland is better.
You have worse in England.
And all there drink filled fights!!😂😂
The snp have said main reason for second ref is because of brexit so before the next ref the eu members must say wether indi scotland can join the eu
The eu countries have already expressed no opposition and even Spain explicitly said they will not object Scotland joining in provided the indi ref is legal.
Scotland won't be fully joining eu if it becomes independent it can join customs union but it still needs to trade with England so Scotland needs to be like Norway so it has the best of both worlds and not this stupid hard brexit!
@@davelocktalk i don't expect England will go much longer with its anti-EU route, some more collaborative politics will come after this bojo madness sooner or later and England will seek more trade with the EU one way or the other
@@davelocktalk It does not "need" to trade with England. It is a choice. "You can't do it without us" is the same coercion used against the Irish, but they managed to move the bulk of their trade from the UK to the EU. They now have a better standard of living as a result. I don't think that Ireland will ever wish to rejoin the UK.
@Chaz Remember "the vow"? How did that pack of lies turn out? The power to tinker with income tax and road signs! It was touted by the unionists as going to be "the strongest devolved parliament in the world" and signed up to by the three unionist parties. Who then reneged on their vow. So next opportunity Scotland will highly likely go it alone as shared sovereignty without the power of a veto is not working for the benefit of the people of Scotland. This was in 2014. The Union had 313 years to get it right and didn't...
No legal rights whatsoever for snp clowns 🤡 !!!!
Absolutely stupid idea. Sturgeon can't or won't tell the genuine Scottish people the true cost of independence. You have a new finance minister who has nothing to say. Sturgeons dream is of independence regardless of how much mess Scotland is in at the moment. Misspent £millions. Education and the NHS failures are rife in Scotland. If the SNP led by the racist and dictator Sturgeon can't look after our children in poverty how will the
Brexit has finished the uk Scotlands best option is to leave uk now and join customs union with eu but still have trade with England, just like what Norway has at the moment.
@@johnedington6083 ahh, the hardcore English man. England still imports Scottish goods. So does most other countries world wide. I’ve seen in many English markets, Scottish beef, lamb, duck, etc. Scotland also does have a decent oil market that you English keep buying. So in reality England actually relies on Scotland for quite a few things, oil being quite crucial for them. If your Implying that England spitefully will refuse Scottish goods or resources. Your very much incorrect
@@ryleymclean313 What Scottish goods exactly? Whisky? .... Oil is becoming a no-no nowadays ... how much does it cost to extract that limited amount of oil which is left in the North Sea under Scotland's ownership? How much oil do the English buy from the Scots each year in £millions?
If it was left up to the BBC or Westminster, never.
What probability to have an independent Scotland, but retain the monarchy? Like pre Act of union 1707?
has anyone ever ask the english if they want to be in the union?
I'm not from the UK, but I simply don't understand why Scotland wants to separate from the UK?
Unfortunately my fellow Scots are largely of below average intelligence and want to adopt communism as the main ideology of the country and thus far have had those pesky logical English holding us back from the brink. It’s literally the stupidest political idea since a Jewish guy, last name Marx, woke up and wrote a awful book full of bad ideas in 19th century Europe.
They want to join Eu.
I do.
beacause the u.k looks at it as a region not a soveriegn nation
Scotland should become independent if their people wish so. I just don’t know does it make any sense as England and Scotland are so deeply connected and always will be. Shetland and Orkney should maybe stay in the UK as a crown dependency if they want because Scotland won’t have an army good enough to defend them.
London should be independent as 20% of England's wealth is there. Barking can remain part of England though
@@utubebroadcaster That actually makes more sense more than like Wales becoming independent
When Scotland & NI depart the union. Leaving only Wales & England. What do you call the UK? "WANGLAND".
Shetland may well also go their own way if Scotland does ( and they will take their oil and fish with them )
@@A2Z1Two3 then Cumbria and Yorkshire will break away from England with Cornwall following. Very exciting times for bringing so many counties the freedom they seek!
Genuine question: what does Scotland have to gain from leaving outside of qualitative matters?
The most important reason any country gives up their independence , economical prosperity and future prospect. With Global Britain a pipe dream.. the EU looks lot more attractive. They will be accepted as equal , the possibility are better then what the UK can offer. so why would they want to remain a subject of the UK who doesn't appreciate them , when a there is a EU super state next door, they can become a equal ..
@@drakehound2244 they cant get in the EU due to their deficit. Scotland is kept up by the rest of the UK economically
@@drakehound2244 But so far it has been pretty good with the vaccines, economic recovery, exchange rates currently we are tied 4th strongest in the world with the Jordan dinar. There are also things to come like better animal welfare standards and protections for our protected marine zones and a trade deal with Australia. I was a remainer but seeing some of the responses from the EU recently it turned me against them for example blocking vaccine exports, ni boarder problem which should be fixed if they come up with a trusted trader program and roi sync up animal welfare with the rest of the UK. The worst thing was with Jurnsey and the response of turning their electricity off because they did not want a licence to fish in their water, seriously why has there been no backlash from this from many prominent EU figures or remainers but heavily criticised Boris when he put through the UK internal trade bill which compared to the EU he at least gave a warning for.
@@drakehound2244 Watch the speeches made in the European Parliament when Ireland voted against the Lisbon Treaty. 0 respect there. Truth is there would be no independent Scotland just a swap of England for France and Germany.
@@Monkey_Mann_ Rules and exception as I said they will be fasttracked if Scotland wish to rejoin the EU ... unfair the world is unfair.. if we live in rules and laws land , uk wouldn't be playing so many dirty tricks would they ? it isn't black or white. look you harm the EU you think EU wouldn't harm you back ? what planet do you live on ?
Il est ridicule que les Britanniques préfèrent envoyer un porte-avions en Asie pour montrer leur puissance plutôt que de résoudre leurs propres problèmes.
The empire on which the sun never sets to half land empire
How is it a half land empire when Scotland was running the empire as well?
@@MariaM-kn7ij Haha but they are going to break up
@@user-vx8zt3cp8t nope. Scottish independence is a still weak case. You’re clearly not from here.
Freedom for Scotland!
Say goodbye to the nhs then
People can blame the nationalists in scotland or groups like the SNP but how did we get here the people not only in scotland but the rest of the UK don't think Westminster is doing the best job that's why the people vote for the independence partys and if the union is going to survive the Westminster system has to change or the union won't survive long term and that's fact
Agree with you.
Well said.
Give the English a vote on union.
My safe word is referendum.
@Militaria Millar I don't think that's what they were saying. I think they were literally refering to contemporary England having an in or out vote on the Union. A very prevalent idea amongst idiot fascists, though. Still, England should be an independent country, with or without London, with or without Northumbria, but surely without Cornwall and Gibraltar. Also, let's end the Crown and its dependencies... A true constitutional rebirth of the British Islands. A true model for a future Europe.
@Militaria Millar The break up of the UK will affect everyone in the UK
Why?
They lost the right to vote on the matter with all the atrocities they committed against us
Scotland independent will be completely economically dependent on the EU and therefore not independent at all. The EU would destroy Scotland in many ways.
The EU cannot afford any more Nett Beneficiaries, they only want Nett contributors .
You're talking rubbish there
instead of wasting time and money on civil servants and academics, BJ should stop the subsidies and agree to a referendum. Get it over and done with. And, if indyref2 fails, allow as many as needed until it passes. Then lift the drawbridge and watch the cat fight in Holyrude become a vortex
Very well said...!!!
And what if it doesn't fail what will you do then you all seem to be under the impression it will fail what if it doesn't do you have an answer for that?
Or did you not think that far ahead
@@annemitchell6144 thank you for asking. I gave up on Scotland in the mid 70's when I left school. I don't give a flying f*ck about the place unless it taxes religion and goes green
and you wonder why Scots want to leave.
Very likely and we want it.
All the people of Scotland have not , these results astound me and the greens siding with snp ???
The scottishe people have beaten the system again .. by dividing left over votes to the greens... so much for trying to sabotage them. with Alex Salmond and 30k Civil Servant send up north.
@@drakehound2244 There is no e at the end of Scottish
Be in no doubt. Scottish independence is coming 🏴🇪🇺🏴
how stupid do you look now 😂
As much as I'd love to see it, the EU wouldn't allow an independent Scotland to rejoin the EU, as it could have a dominoes effect in encouraging more independance movements which lay dormant. Basque, Catalonia, Barvaria, republic Srpska etc. Not to mention borders on islands don't tend to work that well. To add to that - I'd be in favour of the Scots have self determination
Stop the money Boris. Now.!!!!! Let them sink.
they have your electricity bro
@@arpudli8962 Only Scotland??? BRO!!? 😅 😅 That's what you're implying ... do me a favour!
I think you will find its you English who will sink. Why such fear, we will still be neighbours. We just wont be feeding you anymore, but you are big girls now. You need to stand on your own 2feet.
@@arpudli8962 we pay for that, but we also fill up Scotland's £20 billion tax deficit... without it they would find things.... difficult.
Has your little ingurland brain ever stopped to ponder WHY they don't want us to go? They despise us so it's certainly not because they like us.
Keep holding referendums until she gets the result she wants, just lke what the EU do.
Referendums only happen when there is a desire and or need for them....there is a desire and a need for one in Scotland. Get over yourself and allow it to happen or are you afraid of the likely result?.
@@fitzstv8506 Question is, are you prepared to accept the likely result . . . ?
@@EllieMaes-Grandad I do not live in the UK or have any association with it so in an everyday sense Scottish independence makes no odds too me, I am just an interested observer who likes to see peoples desires and rights respected.
@@fitzstv8506 Me too, hence my extreme annoyance at efforts to prevent Brexit. It's about sovereignty and and that of both England and Scotland should be respected. Currently too many Scots seem to think it's all about them and what activists think is the right [and only] choice for the future. Indyref2 next year and indyref3 not until 2050 . . .
@@EllieMaes-Grandad No one in the EU tried to prevent brexit after the UK made it's democratic decision to leave. The UK decision was respected and leave negotiations immediately began...you have no reason to be annoyed at efforts to prevent brexit by the EU because there were none, all efforts to prevent brexit post referendum were in the UK. Scottish affairs are all about Scottish people who else would they be about, the average Englander cares little about Scotland and knows even less about Scottish affairs. Scotland will have another indy referendum in the next few years it will likely fail because of Unionist project fear but the desire among many many Scots for independence will not go away and can only increase with time because as the UK will continue to slide economically and politically.
One union to another, now that's real clever SNP
@@tomsmith5456 Because 50 years of UK being a part of EU made you speak German.. Have you tried logic & reason? I hear it's truly good and beneficial for health.
@@LoveScreamTrue ..Whatever.
@@tomsmith5456 Being ignorant and wrong must be fulfilling in your life, but putting out fear mongering and blatant misinformation is just unacceptable and evil.
@@LoveScreamTrue ..Whatever...Sorry I can’t help laughing matey your getting so worked up lol ..Tell you what , I’m going to have a nice cup of tea and sit down and relax and smoke my pipe ..Lovely..Now if you like you can reply to this comment but really matey I wouldn’t bother it’s just not worth it ..But do have a very nice day .
@@LoveScreamTrue so you object to the tactics of the SNP as well? Nice!