Now I just need Apple to make this... - Rokid Max AR Glasses
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With Apple's new AR/VR headset looming in the distance, more and more people have been thinking about replacing their traditional desk setup with something more ~futuristic~ Riley is here to check out Rokid's Max AR Glasses to see if these prove AR should be taken more seriously or if there's still more work to be done.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 How do you define "AR"?
1:02 Checking out the loot box
2:01 Unboxing and design impressions
5:29 Sponsor - MotionGrey
6:03 Potential use cases
6:51 Trying out the AR mode with a phone
12:20 Display and speaker impressions
13:49 Plugging into an AYANEO handheld PC
16:21 Pricing and overall thoughts
18:48 Outro
3D mode is so you can view a video file with “side by side” 3D video already encoded into it. That’s why Riley could see half the screen in one eye, and the other half in the other.
I assume a fair few of us made the rare trip to the comment section to point out something that we know and the host doesn't?
That's why it strikes me...
@@thelichisdeath Fun fact! "mister Obvious" is referring to a specific method of encoding stereoscopic 3D into a single video stream used in the era of consumer 3D TVs, not just the general concept of stereoscopic video (notably, side by side 3D was used at the same time as over and under 3D encoding, only one of which would work in the 3D mode in these glasses)
Aka pornhub mode
@@bosstowndynamics5488 who is Mr obvious? Like genuinely who, did they delete their comment, or are you patronizing someone? Ohh, missed you tagging lich, I didn't see that originally, I'm blind Also over and under and side by side doesn't fully explain the fact that the headset would still need to be encoded for video with 180fov* where tvs use a regular 19/10 ratio with a offset view for 3d. I assume the headsets 3d mode is for 180fov vids cause it's what most vr "videos" are filmed at and would make it easy to view these "videos" that their customer base would likely use the headset for.
Riley as someone who has done a fair bit of development with a variety of AR glasses, I'd recommend testing these devices outside to see how they perform in natural sunlight. These products are often promoted with images of people using them as they walk down the street or sitting on a park bench. In reality, on a bright day, you often can't see your user interface.
I mean the screen technology just isn't there yet with these microdisplays right? Like I'm not sure anything available on the market right now is bright enough to see in full sunlight.
@@CockatooDude would be cool, still, to have it tested, discussed, and confirmed as a point of consumer concern in reviews
They are testing them with studio lights which are brighter than any traditional indoor setting. So not quite direct midday sunlight but maybe a cloudy day
Wouldn't a type of polarizing layer on/in the lenses help with that??
I use a pair of the NREALs outside fairly often. Anything in white is clearly visible even in broad sunlight, darker colors less so.
The 3D mode is for side by side content where each half shows the entire image for the respective eye
This box's design gives me Durex Invisible vibes
3d movies?
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Also The Simpsons first season collectors edition box
Hmm. I’ve never seen those 🤔
This guy fux!
I think Riley missed the REAL intended use of this: taking to LAN parties to prevent screen peeking.
Damn they need you on the advertising team
In a vaguely similar vein, I’d use these to privately draw and write on a tablet in public.
YOOOOOO, how OP
It's definitely moving along, getting closer to something I'd be interested in. I like the support for people who need glasses, and that some of the features are getting better over time. I'm really thinking that maybe in 10 years (possibly less, maybe a bit more) we'll see something for ~$500 that can do basically everything we want (VR, AR, productivity, gaming, video consumption).
honestly, if it can replace multiple screens - I'd be happy to pay more than 500. IF it can replace those screens. Especially for someone on a go
@@vandalpaulius Right now, I think its resolution is a bit lacking, and the software needs a fair bit of work. Basically, it needs to mature a bit, but you can see the advantages already.
I use my nreal glasses with a mokibo keyboard and my s23+ in dex, and do exactly what is described in the end of the video. I'm a software engineer and that is how I mainly work now. I use termux to have full Linux environment within dex and use vscode, rails, postgres, redis, and more, all running from my phone.
That's awesome. How is it for things like eyestrain and how's readability compared to a regular monitor?
@@lemster101 it's pretty crisp and very readable. I haven't had any eye strain issues.
@@nightshade427 I'm going to have to see if I can try this thing somewhere now. I'm in front of screens all day at home. Being able to move to other places in my house and take my screens with me sounds incredible.
@@lemster101 same, its the whole reason why Im looking into devices like this.
How long have you been using this setup?
I can't wait for AR with a 3D Google maps like app where you see arrows on the ground to show you were to go and floating signs to show turns. For walking and driving. Just like some UIs in video games
Sounds good until captcha becomes an eyepatch..
The only reason id see myself actually buying this stuff. But I'd should be standalone for me to get it. Just want to hop onto my bicycle or escooter with a pair of sunglasses and navigate with such an overlay.
We need everything informative on the HUD like maps, weather info, news, google search and google translate etc... I can't believe these things are STILL only used as glorified video monitors. 🤦
I would like some AR glasses for running, that puts a "ghost" of my previous runs, so I know how I'm pacing myself.
Like Mario Kart
Everything about these glasses screams: GO SPORTS.
GO Team!
🥦
Someone just needs to release glasses like this where the non-AR video is fixed in space like regular AR, instead of fixed to the direction you're facing. We're so close.
I guess that could be done by using some kind of patterned cardboard the glasses can identify. Like the Mario Kart Live game checkpoints.
The ugly one from nreal can do that with it‘s 6 axis head tracking, if I understtand correctly what you wanted to tell😇
The 'old' version of these glasses by Rokid (air) and NReal (Light) had that feature with 6DOF tracking but it looked even more weird which people who were buying it didn't like. It also had slight issues with ergonomics & battery life so now they stripped it down to just display to market as 'lightest' consumer AR glasses and no battery required etc. Quite shame they didn't carry the 6DOF feature on the new version. Like Riley said in Nreal Air video, in some aspects these glasses are a downgrade compared to old versions but looks bit more socially acceptable now so I guess that's the trend for now.......
Nreal (xreal now) literally today announced the xreal beam adapter which turns the nreal air glasses into a 3 dof device when connected to any device. I literally bought the Rokid max and immediately cancelled and bought the older xreal air when I saw that. You don't get the 120Hz mode but the software support and future add ons we're getting from xreal are going to make it a better long term device. Who knows, maybe Rokid will surprise but we'll see.
@@ImpulseBuilds Is 3 degrees good enough to make a difference? What I need is the ability to put two windows next to each other and turn my head to look at them both without the screen moving. That comes out to at least 10 degrees, I would think.
I'm not even worried about a good desktop experience, but I'd want a really good AR overlay on the move: time, weather, messages, info overlays for things like a streetplan, translations, ...
Same. I want my youtube music, youtube, and my app that i do food delivery on - in front of my face on the move and while driving. (Maybe not the youtube part) What bothers me is the control of the interface, you have to have ur phone unlocked, and drah ur finger on the screen. Kinda sucks. Would be better with idk eye tracking for pointer and a ring on index finger you tap with ur thumb to click.
@@madbruv Apple event is later. We’ll see what Apple has to offer entering this market
Same, I want to be able to put them on in my helmet and be able to navigate and see my speed without having to look down.
This is more or less the kind of technology that I have been looking forward to for the last decade. With things like this breaking into the market, I can see a future where I could have a desktop without a monitor at all within the next 5-7 years.
We're definitely getting closer. Just need to shrink the frames of the glasses, add head tracking and make the whole lot wireless. :) Also, work on the GUI obviously to make it smoother and a better input method, although one of those small, fold up keyboard + touchpad combo's might do the trick.
Buying one set of glasses like this seems like an amazing alternative to multiple monitors, the arms to put them on, and the cable clutter that comes with all of that.
the goal fr, sorry literally all display companies haha
Apple Vision Pro says hi
I am using Pico 4 and Immersed app a couple of months now and it works great replacing my monitors
This is a step in the direction I'm hoping for. I work in public safety and use 6-8 monitors at a time...🤞
If you're at a desk, my recommendation is an ultra large screen like a 40+ inch TV at 4k. It acts as four 1080 screens without bezels. Was very useful when I was doing dev work at my last company.
@@feyntmistral1110 unfortunately I don't get to choose. And we don't stay at just one console throughout the day. I work at a 911 center
@@feyntmistral1110 yup, this has been my setup for years. I cant go back to regular monitors now
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The form factor makes more sense than a giant honking contraption which needs a vice grip. I still think direct retinal projection is a must have though. It's going to be a couple decades.
It would take us a lot shorter if more companies attempted to pursue the form factor, and if ridiculously exclusive patents didn't stop them from development! We have the technology, it is feasible and prototypes have been made.
These sort of things are the tech I am actually interested in- even if these are too big to be practical yet. VR headsets don't really interest me at all, but having "glasses" that let me access info or see road directions or relevant information I want at a glance- that's cool.
I want the idea he presented at end so very much!! Though not just working with a phone, with any computing device. This way I can also not buy extra screens for home, just all my extra screens in virtual space!
Look up the spacetop
@@jairusswint6703 That is exactly the experience I am wishing for! Thanks :) Just a shame this product is just a glorified huge phone with AR glasses plugged in. I hope I'll at some point find a way to get this kind of experience with my regular laptop
All I really want from AR is virtual multiple monitors. Think a multi-monitor setup but you only have 1 physical monitor, with 2, 3, 4, etc "virtual" ones around that. For productivity this would be amazing, especially if you're limited on space.
You wouldn't even need a real monitor at that point.
@@bobshimits Well true, but gotta consider the importance of having one if there's an issue with the AR driver after an update etc. The Nreal ones actually have a sort of virtual monitor thing but it's only on Mac unfortunately.
Yup im right there with you. Im waiting for that feature. I tried the nreal glasses and they just didnt do the job. Including the factor that i dont use a mac. I would like to carry my 15" laptop and use the glasses to program easier. Were getting closer though.
@@OnPoint760 Yeah, ever since the first commercial AR stuff was announced, I've had a dream of having a virtual multi-screen setup with my laptop wherever I go. Getting used to working with 2-3 screens really has spoiled by work habits. Particularly when coding or doing 3D modelling.
@BobShimits I would really love virtual monitors but as a editor/photographer i need atleast 1 high quality screen. Imagine having a infinity desktop, you could show all your tabs at once, just turn your head.
So I have the Nreal air, like the quality of the display. Basically use it as a portable big screen monitor for my laptop. Could also be really helpful for mobile video editors who need more screen space than their laptop can provide.
I pre-ordered mine a couple months ago! Can't wait for it! I also like the look. I think it looks cool not dorky.
2:30 Ahh, pure genius!! Cool tech, it's getting there, maybe in a couple more years.
More ar and vr is what this channel needs. VR game benchmarks would be nice, you would probably be the first channel on youtube to include them to gpu tests. Also, there is no reason, why you couldnt do some content on the most currently used VR headset, the Quest 2. Ofc mostly related to PCVR, not mobile.
I still love my older Rokid Airs, but I'm interested in all that the Rokid Max offers. Really good quality products from Rokid and great for guys like me who are near sighted with their myopia dials.
Dang this looks like it almost there for me to get one. The adjustable lenses for people with glasses is awesome. So close.
Not if you have astigmatism.
I've been waiting for years. The only thing I want AR glasses for is to have GPS as a HUD display while I'm driving, but most of these companies keep focusing on the wrong things like music or VR. They make the glasses way too bulky for things that are just not practical.
Samsung recently trademarked "Galaxy Glasses," which tracks with some internal pitch videos that leaked for 3DOF and 6DOF AR glasses concepts. DeX is actually one of the better applications of the Nreal Airs for media consumption and a portable desktop, even if it's not really a 3DOF AR mode. Samsung developing their own AR glasses could really galvanize development on a proper AR desktop experience. Also think it's an important piece of the all-in-one device puzzle you mentioned in your recent NexDock review, which is a future I'm super into myself.
1080p per eye? And also, how big does the screen seem if you make it as big as you can? Please do a full video on use on computer as well or just for media consumption. For Travel or people with small rooms, is it a viable replacement for a big screen?
That's exactly what I was wondering. A replacement TV sounds great. This tech has a lot of potential 2 or 3 generations away.
Hello Ali great video cool video gave me got that multi end cable in order! The blender I didn’t see coming
Thanks for the review. Sounds pretty cool, but not exactly what I'm looking for. I'd love to find glasses that can provide a true AR experience (like something in Quest 3), but I guess that's not available right now? Bigscreen Beyond seems close, but that's mostly for purely VR, and they're still bulky compared to glasses. Any recommendations? Even the upcoming Apple headset looks bulky.
Seriously considering something like these for my primary display when I build a new rig in November/December. I've moved to a new place, with more limited space, and will need two rigs set up ultimately (one for work, one for gaming in different areas,) so something like this on my personal rig would be excellent. Also, imagining leaning back in bed with these on and a PS4 controller in hand (or my Switch,) playing games before going to sleep.
great review. i was gonna purchase these but will wait a few years for more rnd in the ar glass industry
These look very similar to the Viture glasses, except the Viture's have better placement of speakers and a magsafe-style lead to connect to your devices. I also already have them sat on my desk, now.
hows the gaming experience though? was it smooth at the 120hz refresh, they didn't talk much about it in the video so im mostly curious about it
what might be good is an accelerometer, to track head movement I think the problem is that it's just projecting in a space the glasses have the screens instead of a set environment they are mapping and traversing with sensors. I think that if you're going to use this as a monitor the station itself might need a sensor to pick up your head position and define a "virtual desktop" that floats in space
Nreal needs to make a 120hz version of their glasses. Like Rokids specs but I like Nreals software.
One advantage of having the setup he describes where you have a mouse & keyboard and the glasses provide your screen experience - no more shoulder surfing. That alone is going to be worth something to a lot of people.
i just wish i could try it somewhere, i have a huge amount of down time at work (fault team) and these sound amazing for netflix and the like, but it's a lot of money if it turns out I dont get on with it.
Thanks for pointing out the quirks.
Try out the Viture 1 glasses kit when you can. Seems to have a lot of similar features to this, with the 'neckband' feature incoming.
9:51 lmao glad I'm not the only one. First thing that popped into my head.
I am eagerly anticipating the delightful social aspects that come with engaging in conversations with animated users online. The prospect of meeting new people and exchanging ideas with them fills me with excitement 😀
The hypothetical at the end was really good, dunno if it will happen but would be cool if it did
if they would make AR laptop compatible glasses, that would be super amazing. I can already imagine, that you carry a teeny tiny netbook and connect to this, then you get however many 4K displays. That would be insanely good. But maybe in the future?
In the video he uses the glasses with a laptop
Thanks a lot for the interesting story. Tell me, what do you think is better Rokit Max or NReal Air or XReal Light?
whats nice about these after i did a search is that its 1080p 120 hz which is way better, comparing to other ar glasses he reviewed are 60hz, doesnt matter to watching videos, but some phone games or if you connect to a laptop etc can work with high refresh rate, sure higher resolution would help, even with a 4k vr headset its still blurry since screen is so close to your eye, but at least these can be considered as a portable big screen
120Hz avoids judder in 24fps content.
It’s not just about the refresh rate of the content (FPS) but about the fact that the display has to update when you move your head. Many people find anything below 90Hz a little jarring or feel nausea.
@@hammadsheikh6032 while that's true, but that generally only apply to vr headset where you have 6 dof movement when you are gaming, these g.asses doesn't require huge amount of sudden movement since it's pretty much just a bit screen floating in front of you instead of vr game
This aged well...
sad moment
You probably just need Viture to make this, they are much better. With the neckband, you literally can do anything
I'm sort of interested in this product but there wasn't a mention or I didn't hear it but does it work with notebook? (windows etc)
17:30 yeah I would love something like that to do light work/social media/youtube at the cafe. Could use an existing Apple bluetooth keyboard etc. I also wear glasses so the ability to adjust focus is important to me... I am going to seriously look at products like this now, ty. Would also like to be able to plug it into my home PC as well...
For getting a pointer on your phone you can go into developer mode and turn on show touches!
@ShortCircuit - Great honest assessment with the details I need. Q - How does the video quality compare when watching movies vs. Avegant Glyph (which can be bought for
Man yall are awesome, i saw these on twitter like three days ago and said, "120hz micro oled???? I GOTTA see a review."
Please compare these to the viture one xr glasses :)
I think something like this would be awesome if it were affordable. I don't really personally care about productivity with something like this (at least not until it's way better), but just to have as a better viewing experience for handheld games or watching media on your phone while you're on the bus, on a road trip etc. I could maybe see it for "productivity" for a secondary monitor of sorts but again really just for viewing media while I'm doing other things on my PC because I don't have room for a second monitor for example. But man having a good version of this that you can just keep in your bag/pocket as a bigger screen for watching netflix/youtube on your phone or playing your switch/steamdeck on the go would be awesome!
A cool implementation would be to combine it with a laptop. So you eseentially have a portable multimonitor setup, using a laptop screen, and then hovering AR screens around it.
I like your German pronunciation of "Bedienungsanleitung" 😂
I think it somehow sounds a bit like japanese
I found it slightly distrubing, bedding young son lie tongue? For shame, Riley! /s
Its funny how apple just announced ar glasses
I would love to see Riley's opinion on the Viture One XR Glasses. Odd that Alex / Linus reviewed them over on the main channel while Riley has reviewed many AR Glasses over here. Could we get something like a round up of the current landscape of AR glasses?
I was skeptical that Apple would be able to succeed with AR/VR…but seeing how other companies are trying it, it sets them up to do the iPod/iPhone thing where they come in after everyone does the R&D and they work out all the pain points and make the device super attractive. So, nReal and these guys have teed them up.
Also honestly some of Apple's products are kind of ugly lol. If they managed to make Airpods a fashion statement then I'm sure they could make the AR glasses just as "fashionable".
@@nicka5040 I think they look nice tbh. I wish they had kept the original AirPods design. Something about the “ear pods without a cable” just hits me right in the pleasure zone of my brain. Too each their own I guess. For me it fits the exact kind of “future hippie minimalism” thing I love so much.
@@davidnotonstinnett i much prefer the samsung air dots style, no bar hanging out of ur ear
ok, the idea of having multiple monitor setup anywhere is awesome
What's better, this or viture ?
From the AR glasses i've seen on this channel so far this ain't that bad even for the price.
Nreal Airs are the only ones that don't look super dorky Like really Do they not look at these things before packaging them?
They r impressive higher frame rate would be good and ar using all apps even better but
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Well, if you have marketing guys hype design team to shave as much of weight and bulk as you can... you have them come up with sth like that.
The people that actually buy and use these don't care about their looks as much. If you use these in bed to watch content, do you care that it looks dorky? If you're sitting behind your desk at home, do you care? Maybe I would care a little if I was using these on a plane or something, but even then I doubt I would.
@@lemster101 i want to use thease all the time while driving and delivering food. So looks do matter a bit. What irks me is the control scheme. Habing to have ur phone unlocled and swiping on it defeats the purpose of the screen on ur face, if you have to have ur phone out as well. Content consumption works great with thease tho
This tech looks pretty cool - I would love to use something like this on a flight~
I very much agree with Riley here. The no-battery design is great, and it is best to offload the computation load to other devices. And the direction they should go for is really just "having 3 screens at the same time". The active area by the retina can actually be smaller, having some kind of fish eye vision is fine enough. A 3d motion sensor, a small pixel-dense display at the center & a large rough display around it, and a diopter.
when did the change from 24 fps to 30 happen? I could tell because at 2x speed it looks like 60 fps where as before it was not as smooth.
Do you have anything for back pain from lifting heavy loads all day?
This really solves a problem for me, not the glasses, but the Rokid Hub. I have the nreal airs and using them with my Steam Deck means that I can't charge it when I have the glasses plugged in. Already ordered, so here's to hoping it works.
It probably will but alternatively the Nubia redmagic adaptor does the trick as well. Been using it for 6 months now to charge my deck while using the nreal airs
If you want hub to work with steam deck, then you will be disappointed. Rokid needs to tweak it some more and they were saying that MAYBE in a month or sth they will have any (good) news. Anyway they said that the solution wont work for current global version of hub, so for SD you should wait for the new hub to be released
17:52 that's where you're wrong, you do NOT have all of that on a 13/15/17 inch display - That is only one display, at a smaller (visualized) size. Glasses like this allow for a potentially huge multi monitor set up anywhere.
i can see this being huge for ppl who travel a lot and want to get stuff done on the way. imagine those glasses for like a 12h flight.
I travel full time and let me tell you, the second we've got an absolutely rock solid - several hours at a time workable - AR space monitor, im getting a pair. It would make my life so much easier!
lol..well they must have heard you... just have to find 3.5k now :)
For working on the go with a notebook, does it only double the screen or does it extension as well? Because you could have the sensitive data displayed on the glasses which other people can't see and the stuff nobody really cares about on the main screen of the notebook.
Assuming windows treats it like any other monitor you should be able to run it exclusively on the glasses.
Looks like Apple took the hint :)
Can we get an entire TechLinked episode with Riley just talking like a pirate for the entire thing, sponsor spot and all, please? :D
Need some display tracking smoothing the VR HMD's use it seems. And some other various features. But these things always seem great for travelling.
Hi, could you please check what is the lowest IPD in the Software? It would be great 👍 Thanks for the review 🎉
So the ar Mode doesn't work with a laptop? Usless as long as it just works wirh a phone... a tripple monitor setup for your laptop on the go woud be a good scenario.
Can it do head movement tracking on, say, a laptop?
Does this work with windows 11 laptop and have a multiple screen?
Am I the only one who thinks AT-J is absolutely adorable, eyes and all?
The diopter adjustment is brilliant
15:37 I mean, to me it seems pretty obvious that it's meant for SideBySide 3D, where the left side of the screen is only what your left eye should see, and vice versa. So I really don't think that's anything that needs to be fixed xD Save for maybe an optional mode, where applications can send two full resolution images to your glasses and they get joined in the hardware.
Ordered on amazon but mine did not come in a fancy box like that! It was in a dull looking blank cardboard box.
Something I don't get is that all of these require wired connections, which ruins their use as daily sunglasses or glasses; while the technology to make it wireless exists. Because most people won't want to have a cable dangling while going out. It's what kept me from buying them as they'd be expensive to use once or twice then forget about for regular sunglasses. And it's strange because Google pulled this off a decade ago but there are even cheap Chinese AR sunglasses that run android natively. I had one and could side load apps, it even had a wifi chip in it. I could stream Netflix while chilling outside even without a phone on me if there was wifi. It was bulkier than regular sunglasses but not by that much. It even had audio output and a camera in it. The only reason it was a bad experience was because it was cheap and not made by a legit company. I'd gladly pay more for a better version of it. So you'd think this would be possible by bigger companies. Imagine being able to run navigation, take videos, watch videos/browse the internet, without having to physically tether to something else all the time.
The reason is battery life. Without a cable, no "smart" glasses have ever been practical. Not even Google glass. I wish the technology was there too, but batteries just don't have enough density yet.
@@Ambrovious Not really, I have the Inmo Air and you actually get a couple of hours on it. Maybe not a long trip but going out in your area it's fine as long as you turn it off when you're not using them
I want this but for portable multi monitor setup on my laptop
If you just want a HUGE theather screen to watch movies, which glasses would you suggest?
whats the little pc in the picture frame behind Riley?
Thanks for an honest review!
It would be cool if one of these companies would partner with Valve. Or maybe HTC could develop something similar. I like the idea of a display like this that I could pair with future variants of the Steam Deck for something of a mobile VR type gaming experience. As a long time TrackIR user, I think it would be awesome to be able to take that feature with me on the go.
This is pure, in-the-moment conjecture: One of the reasons I have been all about AR and not at all about VR (for predominant usage - obviously VR has plenty of use cases) is eye health. Knowing nothing, it seems that having your eyes continue to focus on other depths would be healthier in the long run.
This is all I've wanted since the first announcement of the Oculus. Looks like we're almost there.
Hoping you guys review the Viture One glasses next
And now they have. Can't wait for the half off sales on all VR products now.
17:52 Can someone tell me what laptop that is?
"when in doubt pull it out" 😂
7:59 Amazing
[08:22] At first I was a bit confused at Riley making this musical reference, as he seems at least a decade too young, but then I remembered that the song got a re-release some time later, or maybe it was used in a movie or something. 🤷♂️
This honestly gives me hope
You can already have a full desktop with Samsung DX it's awesome. 👌
Do you think they can replace a monitor for all day usage? or we must wait for the next generation definivelly?