TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button joins SC with Jay Onrait to give his take on the uncertainty surrounding the Salt Lake and Arizona Coyotes sale.
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Arizona franchise isn’t a joke the ownership is the joke
@KJaswal29 күн бұрын
Jay is mistaken the only reason why they left Glendale cause they wouldn’t sign a new lease
@gtl8119929 күн бұрын
The franchise too.
@Kwolf129 күн бұрын
@@Kwolf1 Yes and no they wouldn’t sign a new lease
@gtl8119929 күн бұрын
@@Kwolf1yup
@Chewbachi29 күн бұрын
They're the same thing
@RG-lr4pk28 күн бұрын
"Nothing negative about this." Huh? Doesn't feel like a win for Yotes fans that've been dicked around by a negligent owner for years -- and now don't even have a team anymore.
@mattsmith3429Ай бұрын
Yeah, all 2000 of them. This franchise has been sucking money from the rest of the league for the last 15 years. Can't have an NHL team playing in a 5000 capacity barn for 5 years. The people voted down plans for an arena and shouldn't cry now that they're losing the team....
@zachhaist642629 күн бұрын
Well if the "fans" showed up, this conversation wouldn't be happening.
@TheCrazyCanuck42029 күн бұрын
@@TheCrazyCanuck420So fans are supposed to show up when a team has won a total of 3 playoff series in 26 years. Just because Maple Leaf fans are delusional doesn't mean the rest of us are
@elawson199129 күн бұрын
@@TheCrazyCanuck420the fans didn’t show up because they played in an arena in the middle of nowhere that was way too far away drive from where most fans lived. They drew decent attendance when they played in downtown Phoenix. There was a really good market of hockey fans and youth hockey players developing in Phoenix. Auston Matthews and Matthew Knies grew up Coyotes fans and look at where they’re at now.
@coreyromberg29 күн бұрын
At least someone acknowledges the fans. Once correction, negligent owners, plural. 8 groups I can think of off the top of my head.
@fromer1329 күн бұрын
The owner bought the Coyotes for $300 million while they still had a home, but due to incompetence or worse, he lost that home. He will now sell the team for $1 billion, and is granted first dibs on a new franchise. It's laughable!
@user-yg1dg6xm2g29 күн бұрын
Not only is he going to walk with his $700m profit he's going to try to sell his rights of 1st refusal, which is most likely what the hold up is to completing the deal
@danlegris38729 күн бұрын
To just not pay your bills and get evicted… that’s such a complete embarrassment to a professional sports Franchise.
@TheLivewire1829 күн бұрын
@@TheLivewire18 Apparently the Coyotes weren't paying their hotel bills this season, and the NHL had to step in (so I heard.)
@user-yg1dg6xm2g28 күн бұрын
This is what happens when the NHL has to find an owner instead of a local business man with deep pockets stepping up to but them.
@wizzerwiser205628 күн бұрын
@user-yg1dg6xm2g Which has far as I'm concerned is grounds for a league to revoke ownership. Even lesser leagues wouldn't put up with that.
@marcpower416723 күн бұрын
Jay is right. Craig is so wrong. Embarrassing.
@ethanb8888829 күн бұрын
Craig came off as a Bettman apologist
@DrunkwatchMandalorian29 күн бұрын
Onrait is literally the worst. He hasn't made a good point in a decade.
@mattmacknight300029 күн бұрын
Craig is always wrong
@Andrew-nu4hi29 күн бұрын
@@DrunkwatchMandalorian um...because he is. Craig Button isn't well liked as a media member for a reason...he's always been a butt boy and apologist for Gary
@Workingman2229 күн бұрын
@@Andrew-nu4hi they’re both almost always wrong so I guess here I’ll split the difference and say they’re both half wrong and half struck the nail on the head by pure coincidence. But they both tried pretty hard to be more wrong than the other 🤣
@mattmacknight300029 күн бұрын
The actual problem with the Coyotes is the amount of clowns who have owned this team. I'm okay with the NHL trying this market again in a few years, but they need a stable plan with an arena situation resolved. Somehow this organization lost money on their lease in Glendale even if they were at 100% capacity. Then they couldn't figure out who should own the team. Then the league owned the team. Then there was no arena property available. Then two more ownership changes. My feelings on this is: This should've been resolved years ago one way or another. I would've preferred this team to stay in Arizona (specifically Scottsdale or North Phoenix), but it was WAY too late for that in 2024. This is a situation that should've been resolved in 2014 when it was Glendale, new property, or Seattle. October 7, 2014 should've been the cutoff date.
@de132Ай бұрын
Craig Button saying this is a win, this is a win, he hasn't heard anything negative, he clearly hasn't listened to ANY of the Coyotes fans who are heartbroken they're losing their team because their owner is incompetent. Fans who don't want Alex Merulo as the owner of the team because of how bad he's handled EVERYTHING under his tenure. Even players from Arizona on other teams, like Matthew Knies, have come out and said he's heartbroken to see the NHL leaving Arizona.
@racingjays42729 күн бұрын
Hard to have a sports franchise if the fans don't show up to pay the bills. It sucks for them, but I have no sympathy for them as a whole. Yes the ownership(s) of the team screwed up many times over the years, but if the fans didn't show it wouldn't matter who owns them.
@TheCrazyCanuck42029 күн бұрын
It's about business, It's about Money, Unfortunate. I am sad for the bars, restaurants, anything that brings in revenue for the city and surrounding area, people who loose their job, That is the worse, I think Craig is representing the business point of view here. I am sure he would agree with my above statement.
@NiedermayerRob29 күн бұрын
Had a lot to do with performance. I’m a die hard and had some season package while in Glendale. The asu arena was cross town for me but having to pay over $100 to watch the product we’ve had the last two years wasn’t what I wanted to do. I still went to a handful of games at the college arena anyway.
@fromer1329 күн бұрын
Maybe if the politicians would work with building a home for the team they would be able to stay. Horrible owner that wasn't asking for public money to build?? not sure how you get there. but sure blame the owner let the politicians slide.
@dvandyke8429 күн бұрын
Exactly, this is an NHL team that actually has a chance to do something, this is a team with Clayton Keller, Logan Cooley, Dylan Gunther, Arizona native Josh Doan and tons of other talented players that is now being taken away from fans like me and will now have to play their home games in an old basketball arena with obstructed views while Arizona is left with no NHL team for at least the next three or four years and even if we do get one back it will just be a glorified ECHL team with past prime vets and low draft picks. This is not a win for Arizona.
@TropicalDesert29 күн бұрын
Jay is right!
@hazelnut4929 күн бұрын
Jay is right, it's a joke. Morello lies to his staff and players. But that's a win Button? Lol come on dude. The players are complaining about it being a loss.
@andrewjanzen646029 күн бұрын
Why is Craig button still there?
@quintenwaite883629 күн бұрын
If you don’t like his opinion, just wait two days and he will be passionately be saying the opposite of what he says today. Constantly flip flopping his opinions.
@kajleradbourne134529 күн бұрын
@@kajleradbourne1345exactly this. He’s a contrarian. The schtick gets old.
@gerardchampagne29 күн бұрын
So one year ago Tempe said no to the new development. That would have taken 5 years to develop so why does a one year difference on staying or relocation even matter. Betthead screwed this up royally. Jay is 100% correct
@kenainmeshik29 күн бұрын
I work in architecture and I laugh out loud every time I hear these timelines being tossed around as if they're predestined. I've had tiny interior reno projects stretch on for double their intended schedule because of slow responses from the city, indecisive clients, material supply issues, etc. Compunding that to the scale of building a miniature city from scratch where you're going to have major utility disputes, potential ground remediation issues during excavation, who knows what else crop up? Good luck with your timeline. This is why the Coyotes are leaving. You can't guarantee squat for a timeline when you don't even own any land to build anything on. Even if they win the auction, 5 years can easily turn into 7, 8, 9 years and nobody wants games being played out of Mullet for that long.
@tomservo925428 күн бұрын
Winnipeg waited 15 years for a new team (1996-2011) I get that Phoenix is one of the top ten largest cities in America (10th - 4,845,832 population). I also realize that Houston (5th - 7,149,642 population), and Atlanta (6th - 6,104,803 population) are larger than Phoenix and also don't have NHL teams - those are the cities in the South Phoenix is competing with to get an expansion team. I personally feel a 2027 or 2028 date is impossible as of today. Phoenix has no arena. - The starting bid for land starts at $68.5 million (therefore, the closing bid will be MUCH higher) The renderings proposed were for an area, practice facility, hotels, restaurants, a casino etc. - the price tag for the arena is approximately $500 million - the price tag for the entire district was approximately $3 billion The parcel of land for auction - North of Loop 101 on border of Scottsdale Road has: - no existing infrastructure - no water rights - no sewage system built - no road access Therefore the total cost to build will ACTUALLY be higher than $3 billion - you still need to build sewage systems, roads, and acquire water rights...those were not included in the $3 billion proposal. Between 2013 and 2022 the Arizona Coyotes have lost more money than any other team in the NHL - $115.2 million in losses. The Arizona Coyotes are a net loss team since 1997 - meaning the team overall LOST money over the past 28 years - they didn't generate money. As of April 2024 Alex Muerelo's net worth was estimated at $2 billion. - land $68.5 million - arena $500 million - district $3 billion - PLUS YOU NEED ROADS, SEWAGE, WATER RIGHTS....so not $3 billion - actually quite more than $3 billion..... - plus you need to BUY a expansion team (probably $1 billion minimum) The last NHL team to sell was the Ottawa Senators for $950 million - the Arizona Coyotes are allegedly being sold for $1.2 billion. So....$4,068,500,000 Four Billion, Sixty Eight Million, Five Hundred Thousand - would realistically not be enough money to build this district. How is a team that lost $115.2 million dollars ever going to recoup those losses??? The team was overall at a net loss for 28 years - so realistically how many years would it take to recoup $3 billion? One of the lower valued teams - Columbus generates about $30 million a year in profit. $30 million x 100 years = $3 Billion $30 million x 135 = $4,050,000,000 Still not enough to pay for the district and expansion team.... So Muerelo is NOT the answer.
@sampicano29 күн бұрын
Can the Jets have their historical stats and records now that the team has been moved again
@Zwikster29 күн бұрын
My question to Craig is, how is this a win for the fans? The fan's got completely screwed over in this. They were told for months that a new arena is coming, we are going to bid and win this land auction and a new arena is going to be built that the fan will love. And all the while he was working behind the scenes on selling the team. He lied to the fan's, the fan's have a right to be outraged and he is going to have to do alot of fence mending with the fan's for them to ever trust him again.
@Fiedman28 күн бұрын
The team didn't pay bills on the arena. Elliott Friedman is now saying on his podcast that the Coyotes also had unpaid hotel bills. The ownership is negligent, they don't pay bills and they made embarrassed the league by having them play in a college stadium for two years. The ownership also treated the fans like complete garbage. Jay is correct to point out that the arena situation in Arizona was totally avoidable. If the owner had paid his bills, they would not have been kicked out their arena. Whether he did all this on purpose or by accident is besides to point. Meruelo is bad owner, no other way to see it, and the fact the NHL still wants to do business with him proves once again that they have zero standards for ownership integrity.
@Rob-vc6xw29 күн бұрын
Craig is so wrong here. The players, the fans and the staff are being screwed by an idiot owner. He owes money everywhere. Doesn’t pay his taxes, so he loses an NHL arena. That’s on the owner. Doesn’t pay hotel fees and that’s why the MJL stepped in. Total pass for the owner. Terrible.
@northerngal29 күн бұрын
It's embarrassing to see how many people don't understand how the NHL works. Blaming Gary Bettman is wrong, as it's highly likely that nothing he do s was his decision, and the more you get angry at him the better he is doing his job. His job as commissioner is to be the mouth piece for the owners and to make them money and present their ideas. That way if he says something the masses don't like, it's not the owners taking the heat. But people talking like he has any real power and isn't just a puppet of the owners are naïve to the point of delusional. The real focus of your anger should be at the owners as this was entirely orchestrated by them, every time Bettman said we are staying in Arizona, he was saying what the owners wanted. Every time he refused to put a team in Canada, he was saying what the owners wanted. You get so angry demanding him to leave, your anger at him is exactly the reason he stays. The moment people call out the owners and, correctly, pin this on them, his position will be in trouble.
@simonmeikle903729 күн бұрын
Button needs to go away. Thank god he has nothing to do with running anything.
@Jimmyfly21529 күн бұрын
Not a win for Yotes fans or employees.
@ucumari7728 күн бұрын
Good for Jay for standing up to himself here.
@brown_recidivist29 күн бұрын
Pretty sure there's plenty of unpublished information But man that sucks hard and I'm feeling hard for the players and the staff, everyone whose workplace is in change
@gothaminsanityАй бұрын
Jay is right.
@willnut350729 күн бұрын
This is totally Bettmans fault. Why did he have to approve Meruelo as the owner.? Wasn’t there someone else who could keep the team in Glendale? Or who would actually pay the bills. Bettman has nobody else but himself to blame for this mess.
@shanebarnes678329 күн бұрын
Gary Bettman, for all his faults, is not to blame. The Board of Governors (i.e., the other franchise owners) are the group to blame for allowing Alex Meruelo to acquire the Coyotes as well as keeping Bettman on as commissioner for the last 30 years.
@henryca0329 күн бұрын
the politicians in Arizona are to blame for not helping make an arena deal happen. the team is moving because they do not have a legit home arena.
@dvandyke8429 күн бұрын
How tough is it to build an arena in downtown Phoenix? He knows what a no-no it is to build an arena too far outside of a downtown area.
@geoff310329 күн бұрын
the team chose to not renew their lease in Glendale, they were not evicted for not paying bills. Glendale was not going to suffice financially due to its location being far away from where the majority of the fanbase resides. Hence the move to Mullet to buy time to build a new arena.
@LofiStxny27 күн бұрын
@@LofiStxny ENOUGH with where this fanbase resides argument. You build arenas where the fanbase WORKS, NOT near where they live. SHEESH
@geoff310327 күн бұрын
The problem is with the Arizona politicians more than Gary Bettman. Gary has tried to find a right arena and there is always problems with that. It's possible that the current Coyotes owner could buy up some land and have an arena built within five years. This is more hopeful than going back to Atlanta a third time. If it were not for the Coyotes, it's possible there would not be Matthews and Knies in the NHL.
@johnpaulgeorgeandringo355929 күн бұрын
None of the franchises in Phoenix really draw that great in the other sports either. Braves and United in Atlanta literally print money. Falcons sell out every game and Hawks draw well too. I would assume that is why the NHL wants to go back to Atlanta, especially with an arena in the northern suburbs.
@scottbussey49927 күн бұрын
@@scottbussey499the thing is when they had the Thrashers, no one stepped up to buy the team from the owners of the NBA team who didn't want them (and if the team was making money then these are the dumbest owners on the planet)
@marklittle880526 күн бұрын
Bettman did everything in his power to keep that team there, and was praising the owner for years. His one effing job as commissioner was to find good owners and Morello proved how Bettman screwed up this entire process. This failure is hugely on Bettman. Craig is really reaching in defending Bettman here.
@CoolsBreeze29 күн бұрын
craig button, beyond all reason, was an NHL GM over 20 years ago...that's why you're watching this today.
@Krokodilius29 күн бұрын
Why is Craig Button given a prominent spot on a program like this one to repeatedly spout such total nonsense🤔?! Jay does not always do hinself a lot of favors in these kinds of studio exchanges, but here he spoke with his facts very much to the fore and in a way that made clear both his empathy for the Coyotes' players, staffs and fans on the one hand AND his antipathy for and exasperation with the team's current owner, Mr. Merruolo, on the other. Respect to him for doing so👍👏! As a long-time Red Wings fan, I'd like wish hockey fans in Arizona, the very best of luck in the years ahead...hopefully, by around 2028, you will once again have a local NHL team to cheer on and support, there, ideally one rhat has no connection whatsoever with the current Coyotes' ownership.
@HAL9010-sv1gh29 күн бұрын
This almost looks calculated, every comment I see now says they’re fine with hockey in the desert but those owners were trash... Complete 180 when a month ago everybody said hockey shouldn’t be in the desert and to move the team NOW!
@leaf16nut29 күн бұрын
The "hockey doesn't belong in the desert" are fans of other teams, the "owners are trash" crowd are Coyotes fans making their voices heard after all the injustice. No 180 at all, just different groups of protest
@Phoenix-vr6bv27 күн бұрын
Yet another soft take by Mr. Button. Arizona is losing a team and he’s calling it a win. SMH. This situation is another stain on the Gary’s NHL
@SoftHockey29 күн бұрын
How has a disastrous 300 million club become a 1 billion dollar club?
@mathias241029 күн бұрын
High ticket and beer prices.
@Hoovie959629 күн бұрын
Canadians can’t stand Bettman and just want more teams in Canada and not interested in growing the NHL. . The reason the NHL owners love Bettman is he has seriously grown the NHL and understands adding new American markets will continue to grow the league not adding Canadian teams who already are NHL fans and the Canadian dollar struggles compared to American dollar makes it difficult for Canadian teams
@shawnerickstad12929 күн бұрын
lousy economy, high taxes, shit weather. None of the owners are remotely interested in putting more teams in Canada. Canadian hockey fans have no idea how stupid they sound hating on Bettman and are just looking for a cop out to blame someone for a Canadian team not winning a cup since 93. Its sad really, almost childish how they sound stirring up these conspiracy theories that Bettman hates Canada.
@LofiStxny27 күн бұрын
How anyone could be defending this owner is beyond any form of conventional logic. He should be allowed to own a minority stake in a expansion team IF he can get a group together and get the arena done, not handed a shiny new expansion team that would probably be worth more then the team he's selling.
@Alex-vo2ew29 күн бұрын
ButtCraig is WRONG
@stevenorrish436Ай бұрын
This is not a WIN WIN WIN . Other reports are already revealing that within the NHL there is little belief that Meruelo will be able to cobble together an arena within the timelines of this agreement. That means Arizona fans are likely not going to see NHL hockey again for at least 6 or 7 years, if ever. But Jay is missing the point as well, this team shouldn't have been moved. It should have had good owners that support the team that would have turned into a decent market like Nashville, Carolina or Dallas etc. Moving teams is the nuclear option, its not the 90s anymore.
@Furens29 күн бұрын
Never disagreed with anything Craig has said an I’m not saying I do now but how he handled this situation with jay was kinda weird, ngl jay was just trying to connect with his point and have a civil conversation Craig kinda escalated it jay was spitting facts….. I HATE to say this but that statement sounds corporate as fuckkkkkk 😂😂from Craig
@stneily29 күн бұрын
Craig is saying that it’s a win-win win, but he hasn’t talk to the players, Everyone seems to assume that they’d rather play in Salt Lake City versus Phoenix, a lot of reports that this isn’t the case. All the media and fans that dog on the coyotes, don’t seem to understand that arena location is everything there. Phoenix isn’t Toronto. The greater Phoenix area is very unique in that it’s incredibly spread out. The fans are there, the market is absolutely massive, and growing, but they need to go back to downtown Phoenix. an accessible arena is everything.
@chevelle129 күн бұрын
great heated debate! love this stuff.
@lunar33icious29 күн бұрын
Craig you are right on the mark. Why do people want to be upset when someone honestly makes money after they have spent lots of money to get something done. I also have praise for Gary Bettman, he gave every opportunity to the city, the owner, the State to keep a money machine of revenue for the city, and now intelligently is saying it's time to move on there is a better way. The public officials there should have talked to Winnipeg, to get an understanding of the hole that is left when you lose a Professional Team/League of world acclaim.
@sambabisky474225 күн бұрын
wasn't the contract at Gila river, not renewed before there was an issue with payment? I still say the biggest problem here are the Arizona Politicians not the owner, not the NHL, and defiantly not the fans or team. if you live in Arizona, specifically Pheonix pay attention to who you vote for.
@dvandyke8429 күн бұрын
City of Glendale wanted them to sign a 20 year lease. The City of Glendale also put it out in the news that they were owed a million from the team, which was paid the next day I believe. City Councilman delivered a letter to the team to pack up and leave. I haven't been to WestGate since they moved to ASU. Still not sure why the residents of Tempe voted to keep a toxic dump rather than have a development with a NHL team. Utah is getting some very good young talent to build upon, we all hope they do very well.
@robertfolk458327 күн бұрын
The city council in Glendale called this owner out. This by the way is a city that fought to build the arena and get the Coyotes during the Gretzky years. The city just came to their senses and realised an empty building beats having the Yotes there and not paying their rent
@marklittle880526 күн бұрын
Button is clueless on this one.
@29bryon29 күн бұрын
Delete your final three words, "...on this one", and you would have an even more accurate statement, there👍🎯!
@HAL9010-sv1gh29 күн бұрын
@@HAL9010-sv1gh I usually respect his opinion but he came across as a real ass clown on this one.
@29bryon29 күн бұрын
The deal isn't done, but the players have been notified that they will be moving? I'm confused.
@user-yg1dg6xm2g29 күн бұрын
billion dollar business deals are complicated. there will be an agreement in principle but the deal is done when all the ink is dried. it takes a bit more than a crayon and a cocktail napkin.
@chucku100129 күн бұрын
Wish the worked out the lease in Glendale.
@PetePuebla27 күн бұрын
Agree with Jay. This is all on Bettman. The Coyotes should have been moved years ago. It’s never worked and I’m glad this garbage team is finally relocating and we never get to see those garbage eye sore uniforms and logo again. Bye. I really wish it was to a Canadian market, Quebec City, but I’ll take Salt Lake just for this stupidity to end. Also the NHL does not need anymore expansion and Phoenix should never get another crack at a team. Stop the insanity.
@notesandfragments29 күн бұрын
Lmfao yeah nevermind they usually got 12,000 fans on average with a garbage team. That's ahout as many fans as winnipeg gets now. 😂
@JarradBruessel3229 күн бұрын
@@JarradBruessel32 Utah will average close to 19-20 thousand. That's what the Jazz do, and they aren't even close to the playoffs.
@jeremym849029 күн бұрын
@@jeremym8490 It will be less than that for total capacity. The rink takes up more space and you lose some of the seating you have at a basketball game. I would imagine their max would be 2-3,000 less than what the capacity for Jazz games is roughly. But I do think the market will be solid for a team and as much as it sucks for coyotes fans playing at a 5,000 seat arena just could not continue.
@TheKeeperofKeyss29 күн бұрын
@@TheKeeperofKeyss Agreed, but they already have plans to build a hockey exclusive rink. I am pretty sure the funding is already secured.
@jeremym849029 күн бұрын
The Coyotes shouldn't have been moved, they should've built their arena in or near downtown Phoenix. Thats it. Thats all they had to do.
@geoff310329 күн бұрын
This is nothing new remember the Montreal expos situation when the owner they end up buying the Florida Marlins and leaving the expos to the league which end up being in DC
@cbfbmc29 күн бұрын
I have been hearing on sports radio that some people don't think that hockey will work in Utah either
@henryhathaway549529 күн бұрын
It will work. The owner for one has deep pockets and runs his NBA operation properly and with class. I suspect he will win people over with the NHL. It can't be worse than the dumpster fire in Arizona
@marklittle880526 күн бұрын
If they had not burned bridges they could have tried to work out a short term deal with Glendale. Is it a good location? No, but it can hold the numbers that the NHLPA could not complain. The bridge was burned so bad that you notice it is never mentioned.
@Xerxes91029 күн бұрын
Glendale wanted the team to sign a 12yr lease to stay, and would've welcomed them with open arms if they had. Coyotes couldn't stay there because they never made money in Glendale, except for the first few years (ohh, shiny!).
@pliskenmovie29 күн бұрын
@@pliskenmovie they were getting whiteouts during the 3 years the team was owned by the league. It is a terrible location but if the team is winning people make the drive. The problem was no owner since the NHL has put a winning team on the ice. Armstrong has the best chance. Utah is going to benefit from our loss.
@Xerxes91029 күн бұрын
The Delta Center in Salt Lake City has a capacity of 20,000 if they decide to go with that arena before they can build one of their own.
@kieferclarkf167428 күн бұрын
The chargers played in a mls stadium for 3 plus years
@laraia9829 күн бұрын
He spent or lost 300 million?
@dennisjordan495229 күн бұрын
Jay and Craig have great chemistry. Keep these two guys bickering at eachother TSN, its good tv.
@Indigenous_Rambo27 күн бұрын
They should have NEVER Broken up Jay and Dan.
@Suarez0528 күн бұрын
Ugh, what an embarrassment. No wonder hockey gets no respect. This isn't as bad as trading Atlanta for Winnipeg, but its up there.
@geoff310329 күн бұрын
Phoenix will always have endless lifelines with Bettman as commissioner. Gary's shown he'll put up with a huckster owner to keep a franchise in a market he desires.
@brettfavreify29 күн бұрын
Bettman deserves criticism for this. They should have relocated to Quebec years ago.
@ozzmoises29 күн бұрын
Admit it. You only want the Nordiques back for nostalgia.
@RobertSmithhalo28 күн бұрын
@@RobertSmithhalo nope want em back cuz their fans deserve to have their team back.
@ozzmoises27 күн бұрын
@@ozzmoises sure. Whatever floats your boat Ozz.
@RobertSmithhalo27 күн бұрын
That was fun debate not heated!
@garymauk296329 күн бұрын
Jay 1. As a coyotes fan EAD. 2. There have been times that Florida, sharks, blue jackets would not have filled mullet arena.
@whitsundayrealestate_28 күн бұрын
Have to kind of see it as a win win also. Salt Lake is ready now and has stadium funding. Arizona owner needs time to get things done on stadium and other issues. If he can get things done and organized in time for expansion he could be a winner also with a billion in his pocket to start with by the sell of the team.
@ckstaff29 күн бұрын
Bettman and the league fought tooth and nail to keep a team in Arizona for a decade plus when everybody and their dog knew it wouldn’t work. Crazy that it dragged on for this long.
@jonny508725 күн бұрын
You are right Jay
@christopherstauffer848729 күн бұрын
This is the best thing I’ve maybe seen in years regarding the coyotes, Jay represents MOST hockey fans regarding this team. It’s never not been a complete joke and now there’s a chance it happens ALL OVER AGAIN! Where’s the win?! He makes profit off a franchise that’s managed literally zero!
@michaellouden664028 күн бұрын
Jay Roasted him on that one!!!!!
@codys574826 күн бұрын
I like Jay when he gets smart and serious about a topic, he should do this more than the silly shtick routine. Agree with Jay.
@Howie_mcduffy29 күн бұрын
Canadian sports talk does American style sports debate and it’s….a thousand times better because you can tell they care about the subject, and are actually having a RESPECTFUL conversation as opposed to just yelling at each other. Bravo.
@LukeBurtle29 күн бұрын
yea no, this isnt a culture war over who has the better sports analysis. there are great american and canadian sports analyists and there are some terrible ones from both countries. Canadians are so fragile and afraid of being compared to Americans for some reason and really think they are better for whatever reason.
@LofiStxny27 күн бұрын
Jay has always known how to bring the energy
@sheaandrus-oak654629 күн бұрын
Jay his a bit unhinged but i LOVE IT 😂😂😂😂LOVE YOU BIG MAN .....Miss Dan though
@julienllcooljjulienllcoolj35328 күн бұрын
Craig it is a joke has been forever and you know it.
@marchansen391529 күн бұрын
Craign is right on this. Think about it. If they get this arena. They will finally have an arena, but you can always change an owner.
@TheBlazersfan2229 күн бұрын
Yotes should have stayed in Phoenix, moving to Glendale was their demise.
@user-fq8tr4eo4p28 күн бұрын
Jay simply knows what he's talking about. People would respect people like Craig if he simply said he didn't know enough to have an informed opinion.
@Monopolist9129 күн бұрын
More!
@codyj753229 күн бұрын
Craig thinks they're going back? You have to be kidding me. The guy's taking his money and running..
@thomasbrown940227 күн бұрын
Craig button is like Steve Dangle he can't wait until Arizona fans get screwed. They hate the hockey fans in Arizona
@nielsonlars29 күн бұрын
Quebec City offered to buy Coyotes too????
@steph143329 күн бұрын
Admit it. You only want the Nordiques back because of Nostalgia.
@RobertSmithhalo28 күн бұрын
Way to leave out how big a loss this is for fans of the team. No negatives? Not everything is about money.
@dillonharnden-shea5729 күн бұрын
I feel like Jay was laying down facts and seemed more right but what is Craig going on about that no blame to Bettman lol they should've been moved years ago
@CytoSkullion29 күн бұрын
Way to go Jay!
@loganvandyk709029 күн бұрын
2:44 on point
@tguy0329 күн бұрын
tough take Jay.
@ryananthony409029 күн бұрын
I hope they get cool jerseys
@daltonm.strongman239728 күн бұрын
I agree with Jay 100 PERCENT!!!!!!!!!!!
@jeffburt660029 күн бұрын
2:44 Sadly, the worst sports owners are often rewarded by essentially being bribed to go away. Craig *does* make a good point though that the Ottawa sale helped provide the cover to negotiate these amounts. The Sens are in the bottom third of the league of revenues and yet they managed to sell them at 10 figures. I'm skeptical the league will return to Arizona as fast as five years. Not because I don't think they'd like to go back, I just don't trust Merulo to hit any of the benchmarks. The saddest thing is that Merulo might not even be the second worst owner this franchise ever had. The proper thing for the NHL to have done would have been to make the same arrangement they're making right now with Merulo with the Glendale city govt in 2010. Then the original Jets could have come home and the league could have paid at least more-than-passing attention to the Atlanta situation (and then either they could have stabilized that or ended up in Quebec/Portland/etc.).
@brycemcneil440429 күн бұрын
What the heck is Button arguing here?
@kerikettle782027 күн бұрын
"This is a win, win, win." Tell that to the fans and the people who worked in the organization who are going to lose their jobs. What a tool! TSN embarrassed themselves with this cringe take.
@Desert-Father29 күн бұрын
Craig calls it a win, win, win, completely forgetting the Coyotes fans.
@jeffreyc197129 күн бұрын
The best part of this story is we finally won't have to hear about all the problems in Arizona anymore, at least for the foreseeable future. Taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook to help bail out rich owners without either getting their money back or getting part ownership of the team, with a caveat that the owner has an option to purchase the taxpayers' portion of the team back at full market value. Down with corporate welfare. If the franchise won't stay afloat without that taxpayer subsidy, then it shouldn't be put there, regardless of the size of the market. Just because there are 10 million soccer fans in a city doesn't mean they'll support a hockey franchise there. The fanbase has to be interested enough to support the team, not just for the first 6 months of its existence but for a long timeframe (10+ years) with the numbers to back that up; otherwise, forget it. And speaking of forget it, is anyone else in disbelief that the NHL is considering putting a team in Atlanta for the 3rd time?
@paultaylor181428 күн бұрын
I agree with Jay.
@curtismuise330027 күн бұрын
Whoa... that segment was sooo disrespectful to Yotes fans. Have some class!
@misstruly548229 күн бұрын
Odds would be high on a betting sight that hockey returns to Arizona in 5 years. My thoughts are the Yotes owner runs for the hills with the cash 💰!
@Rosewood18529 күн бұрын
Button bidding hard to get a GM gig with Morello's expansion team. Dude is ridiculous.
@craig_d25 күн бұрын
I'm with Jay
@beatsbreaksbricks656629 күн бұрын
Jay > Craig Omg this was a lopsided debate
@kellyremple898229 күн бұрын
Tough look to defend the ownership, who will gain hundreds of millions of dollars, while the Arizona Coyotes organization’s employees will lose their jobs and the fans will lose their team 😅
@nickmongeon808229 күн бұрын
He bought the team for 300 million BUT also assumed their debt that was another 300 million is what i understood .
@alangris36529 күн бұрын
Gary Bettman is so at fault for the failures in Arizona and his stubbornness to admit he was wrong. That franchise should have been moved years ago.
@geneallevato580929 күн бұрын
this is what they are talking about down south when they say the Canadian media are biased against them
@mortecai22229 күн бұрын
Of course the Canadian media is biased. More precisely, they are biased in favour of a Canadian perspective (as opposed to being explicitly anti American). They know that their audience wants to see more focus on Canada and Canadian teams in the NHL, and would love to have seen the coyotes relocate to Quebec years ago. They are catering to their audience. You don't think American media is biased in favour of America?
@debestcanadian29 күн бұрын
I don't think Salt Lake ownership was motivatied two years a go to make a move.. IMBW
@brucebooth448928 күн бұрын
It's Bettman's fault. No one can tell me that the league couldn't have moved the Coyotes to Quebec City instead of owning the team for 4 years and being embarrassed a decade later by having to play in a 4600 seat arena. Lol.
@Tompa898929 күн бұрын
The only losers are the fans. There are fans that do exist for the Arizona Coyotes, and it is sad to see them lose their team. Fans don't deserve that.
@js09js0929 күн бұрын
I guess for TSN Arizona fans being screwed is one of those wins in the winwinwinwin.
Arizona franchise isn’t a joke the ownership is the joke
Jay is mistaken the only reason why they left Glendale cause they wouldn’t sign a new lease
The franchise too.
@@Kwolf1 Yes and no they wouldn’t sign a new lease
@@Kwolf1yup
They're the same thing
"Nothing negative about this." Huh? Doesn't feel like a win for Yotes fans that've been dicked around by a negligent owner for years -- and now don't even have a team anymore.
Yeah, all 2000 of them. This franchise has been sucking money from the rest of the league for the last 15 years. Can't have an NHL team playing in a 5000 capacity barn for 5 years. The people voted down plans for an arena and shouldn't cry now that they're losing the team....
Well if the "fans" showed up, this conversation wouldn't be happening.
@@TheCrazyCanuck420So fans are supposed to show up when a team has won a total of 3 playoff series in 26 years. Just because Maple Leaf fans are delusional doesn't mean the rest of us are
@@TheCrazyCanuck420the fans didn’t show up because they played in an arena in the middle of nowhere that was way too far away drive from where most fans lived. They drew decent attendance when they played in downtown Phoenix. There was a really good market of hockey fans and youth hockey players developing in Phoenix. Auston Matthews and Matthew Knies grew up Coyotes fans and look at where they’re at now.
At least someone acknowledges the fans. Once correction, negligent owners, plural. 8 groups I can think of off the top of my head.
The owner bought the Coyotes for $300 million while they still had a home, but due to incompetence or worse, he lost that home. He will now sell the team for $1 billion, and is granted first dibs on a new franchise. It's laughable!
Not only is he going to walk with his $700m profit he's going to try to sell his rights of 1st refusal, which is most likely what the hold up is to completing the deal
To just not pay your bills and get evicted… that’s such a complete embarrassment to a professional sports Franchise.
@@TheLivewire18 Apparently the Coyotes weren't paying their hotel bills this season, and the NHL had to step in (so I heard.)
This is what happens when the NHL has to find an owner instead of a local business man with deep pockets stepping up to but them.
@user-yg1dg6xm2g Which has far as I'm concerned is grounds for a league to revoke ownership. Even lesser leagues wouldn't put up with that.
Jay is right. Craig is so wrong. Embarrassing.
Craig came off as a Bettman apologist
Onrait is literally the worst. He hasn't made a good point in a decade.
Craig is always wrong
@@DrunkwatchMandalorian um...because he is. Craig Button isn't well liked as a media member for a reason...he's always been a butt boy and apologist for Gary
@@Andrew-nu4hi they’re both almost always wrong so I guess here I’ll split the difference and say they’re both half wrong and half struck the nail on the head by pure coincidence. But they both tried pretty hard to be more wrong than the other 🤣
The actual problem with the Coyotes is the amount of clowns who have owned this team. I'm okay with the NHL trying this market again in a few years, but they need a stable plan with an arena situation resolved. Somehow this organization lost money on their lease in Glendale even if they were at 100% capacity. Then they couldn't figure out who should own the team. Then the league owned the team. Then there was no arena property available. Then two more ownership changes. My feelings on this is: This should've been resolved years ago one way or another. I would've preferred this team to stay in Arizona (specifically Scottsdale or North Phoenix), but it was WAY too late for that in 2024. This is a situation that should've been resolved in 2014 when it was Glendale, new property, or Seattle. October 7, 2014 should've been the cutoff date.
Craig Button saying this is a win, this is a win, he hasn't heard anything negative, he clearly hasn't listened to ANY of the Coyotes fans who are heartbroken they're losing their team because their owner is incompetent. Fans who don't want Alex Merulo as the owner of the team because of how bad he's handled EVERYTHING under his tenure. Even players from Arizona on other teams, like Matthew Knies, have come out and said he's heartbroken to see the NHL leaving Arizona.
Hard to have a sports franchise if the fans don't show up to pay the bills. It sucks for them, but I have no sympathy for them as a whole. Yes the ownership(s) of the team screwed up many times over the years, but if the fans didn't show it wouldn't matter who owns them.
It's about business, It's about Money, Unfortunate. I am sad for the bars, restaurants, anything that brings in revenue for the city and surrounding area, people who loose their job, That is the worse, I think Craig is representing the business point of view here. I am sure he would agree with my above statement.
Had a lot to do with performance. I’m a die hard and had some season package while in Glendale. The asu arena was cross town for me but having to pay over $100 to watch the product we’ve had the last two years wasn’t what I wanted to do. I still went to a handful of games at the college arena anyway.
Maybe if the politicians would work with building a home for the team they would be able to stay. Horrible owner that wasn't asking for public money to build?? not sure how you get there. but sure blame the owner let the politicians slide.
Exactly, this is an NHL team that actually has a chance to do something, this is a team with Clayton Keller, Logan Cooley, Dylan Gunther, Arizona native Josh Doan and tons of other talented players that is now being taken away from fans like me and will now have to play their home games in an old basketball arena with obstructed views while Arizona is left with no NHL team for at least the next three or four years and even if we do get one back it will just be a glorified ECHL team with past prime vets and low draft picks. This is not a win for Arizona.
Jay is right!
Jay is right, it's a joke. Morello lies to his staff and players. But that's a win Button? Lol come on dude. The players are complaining about it being a loss.
Why is Craig button still there?
If you don’t like his opinion, just wait two days and he will be passionately be saying the opposite of what he says today. Constantly flip flopping his opinions.
@@kajleradbourne1345exactly this. He’s a contrarian. The schtick gets old.
So one year ago Tempe said no to the new development. That would have taken 5 years to develop so why does a one year difference on staying or relocation even matter. Betthead screwed this up royally. Jay is 100% correct
I work in architecture and I laugh out loud every time I hear these timelines being tossed around as if they're predestined. I've had tiny interior reno projects stretch on for double their intended schedule because of slow responses from the city, indecisive clients, material supply issues, etc. Compunding that to the scale of building a miniature city from scratch where you're going to have major utility disputes, potential ground remediation issues during excavation, who knows what else crop up? Good luck with your timeline. This is why the Coyotes are leaving. You can't guarantee squat for a timeline when you don't even own any land to build anything on. Even if they win the auction, 5 years can easily turn into 7, 8, 9 years and nobody wants games being played out of Mullet for that long.
Winnipeg waited 15 years for a new team (1996-2011) I get that Phoenix is one of the top ten largest cities in America (10th - 4,845,832 population). I also realize that Houston (5th - 7,149,642 population), and Atlanta (6th - 6,104,803 population) are larger than Phoenix and also don't have NHL teams - those are the cities in the South Phoenix is competing with to get an expansion team. I personally feel a 2027 or 2028 date is impossible as of today. Phoenix has no arena. - The starting bid for land starts at $68.5 million (therefore, the closing bid will be MUCH higher) The renderings proposed were for an area, practice facility, hotels, restaurants, a casino etc. - the price tag for the arena is approximately $500 million - the price tag for the entire district was approximately $3 billion The parcel of land for auction - North of Loop 101 on border of Scottsdale Road has: - no existing infrastructure - no water rights - no sewage system built - no road access Therefore the total cost to build will ACTUALLY be higher than $3 billion - you still need to build sewage systems, roads, and acquire water rights...those were not included in the $3 billion proposal. Between 2013 and 2022 the Arizona Coyotes have lost more money than any other team in the NHL - $115.2 million in losses. The Arizona Coyotes are a net loss team since 1997 - meaning the team overall LOST money over the past 28 years - they didn't generate money. As of April 2024 Alex Muerelo's net worth was estimated at $2 billion. - land $68.5 million - arena $500 million - district $3 billion - PLUS YOU NEED ROADS, SEWAGE, WATER RIGHTS....so not $3 billion - actually quite more than $3 billion..... - plus you need to BUY a expansion team (probably $1 billion minimum) The last NHL team to sell was the Ottawa Senators for $950 million - the Arizona Coyotes are allegedly being sold for $1.2 billion. So....$4,068,500,000 Four Billion, Sixty Eight Million, Five Hundred Thousand - would realistically not be enough money to build this district. How is a team that lost $115.2 million dollars ever going to recoup those losses??? The team was overall at a net loss for 28 years - so realistically how many years would it take to recoup $3 billion? One of the lower valued teams - Columbus generates about $30 million a year in profit. $30 million x 100 years = $3 Billion $30 million x 135 = $4,050,000,000 Still not enough to pay for the district and expansion team.... So Muerelo is NOT the answer.
Can the Jets have their historical stats and records now that the team has been moved again
My question to Craig is, how is this a win for the fans? The fan's got completely screwed over in this. They were told for months that a new arena is coming, we are going to bid and win this land auction and a new arena is going to be built that the fan will love. And all the while he was working behind the scenes on selling the team. He lied to the fan's, the fan's have a right to be outraged and he is going to have to do alot of fence mending with the fan's for them to ever trust him again.
The team didn't pay bills on the arena. Elliott Friedman is now saying on his podcast that the Coyotes also had unpaid hotel bills. The ownership is negligent, they don't pay bills and they made embarrassed the league by having them play in a college stadium for two years. The ownership also treated the fans like complete garbage. Jay is correct to point out that the arena situation in Arizona was totally avoidable. If the owner had paid his bills, they would not have been kicked out their arena. Whether he did all this on purpose or by accident is besides to point. Meruelo is bad owner, no other way to see it, and the fact the NHL still wants to do business with him proves once again that they have zero standards for ownership integrity.
Craig is so wrong here. The players, the fans and the staff are being screwed by an idiot owner. He owes money everywhere. Doesn’t pay his taxes, so he loses an NHL arena. That’s on the owner. Doesn’t pay hotel fees and that’s why the MJL stepped in. Total pass for the owner. Terrible.
It's embarrassing to see how many people don't understand how the NHL works. Blaming Gary Bettman is wrong, as it's highly likely that nothing he do s was his decision, and the more you get angry at him the better he is doing his job. His job as commissioner is to be the mouth piece for the owners and to make them money and present their ideas. That way if he says something the masses don't like, it's not the owners taking the heat. But people talking like he has any real power and isn't just a puppet of the owners are naïve to the point of delusional. The real focus of your anger should be at the owners as this was entirely orchestrated by them, every time Bettman said we are staying in Arizona, he was saying what the owners wanted. Every time he refused to put a team in Canada, he was saying what the owners wanted. You get so angry demanding him to leave, your anger at him is exactly the reason he stays. The moment people call out the owners and, correctly, pin this on them, his position will be in trouble.
Button needs to go away. Thank god he has nothing to do with running anything.
Not a win for Yotes fans or employees.
Good for Jay for standing up to himself here.
Pretty sure there's plenty of unpublished information But man that sucks hard and I'm feeling hard for the players and the staff, everyone whose workplace is in change
Jay is right.
This is totally Bettmans fault. Why did he have to approve Meruelo as the owner.? Wasn’t there someone else who could keep the team in Glendale? Or who would actually pay the bills. Bettman has nobody else but himself to blame for this mess.
Gary Bettman, for all his faults, is not to blame. The Board of Governors (i.e., the other franchise owners) are the group to blame for allowing Alex Meruelo to acquire the Coyotes as well as keeping Bettman on as commissioner for the last 30 years.
the politicians in Arizona are to blame for not helping make an arena deal happen. the team is moving because they do not have a legit home arena.
How tough is it to build an arena in downtown Phoenix? He knows what a no-no it is to build an arena too far outside of a downtown area.
the team chose to not renew their lease in Glendale, they were not evicted for not paying bills. Glendale was not going to suffice financially due to its location being far away from where the majority of the fanbase resides. Hence the move to Mullet to buy time to build a new arena.
@@LofiStxny ENOUGH with where this fanbase resides argument. You build arenas where the fanbase WORKS, NOT near where they live. SHEESH
The problem is with the Arizona politicians more than Gary Bettman. Gary has tried to find a right arena and there is always problems with that. It's possible that the current Coyotes owner could buy up some land and have an arena built within five years. This is more hopeful than going back to Atlanta a third time. If it were not for the Coyotes, it's possible there would not be Matthews and Knies in the NHL.
None of the franchises in Phoenix really draw that great in the other sports either. Braves and United in Atlanta literally print money. Falcons sell out every game and Hawks draw well too. I would assume that is why the NHL wants to go back to Atlanta, especially with an arena in the northern suburbs.
@@scottbussey499the thing is when they had the Thrashers, no one stepped up to buy the team from the owners of the NBA team who didn't want them (and if the team was making money then these are the dumbest owners on the planet)
Bettman did everything in his power to keep that team there, and was praising the owner for years. His one effing job as commissioner was to find good owners and Morello proved how Bettman screwed up this entire process. This failure is hugely on Bettman. Craig is really reaching in defending Bettman here.
craig button, beyond all reason, was an NHL GM over 20 years ago...that's why you're watching this today.
Why is Craig Button given a prominent spot on a program like this one to repeatedly spout such total nonsense🤔?! Jay does not always do hinself a lot of favors in these kinds of studio exchanges, but here he spoke with his facts very much to the fore and in a way that made clear both his empathy for the Coyotes' players, staffs and fans on the one hand AND his antipathy for and exasperation with the team's current owner, Mr. Merruolo, on the other. Respect to him for doing so👍👏! As a long-time Red Wings fan, I'd like wish hockey fans in Arizona, the very best of luck in the years ahead...hopefully, by around 2028, you will once again have a local NHL team to cheer on and support, there, ideally one rhat has no connection whatsoever with the current Coyotes' ownership.
This almost looks calculated, every comment I see now says they’re fine with hockey in the desert but those owners were trash... Complete 180 when a month ago everybody said hockey shouldn’t be in the desert and to move the team NOW!
The "hockey doesn't belong in the desert" are fans of other teams, the "owners are trash" crowd are Coyotes fans making their voices heard after all the injustice. No 180 at all, just different groups of protest
Yet another soft take by Mr. Button. Arizona is losing a team and he’s calling it a win. SMH. This situation is another stain on the Gary’s NHL
How has a disastrous 300 million club become a 1 billion dollar club?
High ticket and beer prices.
Canadians can’t stand Bettman and just want more teams in Canada and not interested in growing the NHL. . The reason the NHL owners love Bettman is he has seriously grown the NHL and understands adding new American markets will continue to grow the league not adding Canadian teams who already are NHL fans and the Canadian dollar struggles compared to American dollar makes it difficult for Canadian teams
lousy economy, high taxes, shit weather. None of the owners are remotely interested in putting more teams in Canada. Canadian hockey fans have no idea how stupid they sound hating on Bettman and are just looking for a cop out to blame someone for a Canadian team not winning a cup since 93. Its sad really, almost childish how they sound stirring up these conspiracy theories that Bettman hates Canada.
How anyone could be defending this owner is beyond any form of conventional logic. He should be allowed to own a minority stake in a expansion team IF he can get a group together and get the arena done, not handed a shiny new expansion team that would probably be worth more then the team he's selling.
ButtCraig is WRONG
This is not a WIN WIN WIN . Other reports are already revealing that within the NHL there is little belief that Meruelo will be able to cobble together an arena within the timelines of this agreement. That means Arizona fans are likely not going to see NHL hockey again for at least 6 or 7 years, if ever. But Jay is missing the point as well, this team shouldn't have been moved. It should have had good owners that support the team that would have turned into a decent market like Nashville, Carolina or Dallas etc. Moving teams is the nuclear option, its not the 90s anymore.
Never disagreed with anything Craig has said an I’m not saying I do now but how he handled this situation with jay was kinda weird, ngl jay was just trying to connect with his point and have a civil conversation Craig kinda escalated it jay was spitting facts….. I HATE to say this but that statement sounds corporate as fuckkkkkk 😂😂from Craig
Craig is saying that it’s a win-win win, but he hasn’t talk to the players, Everyone seems to assume that they’d rather play in Salt Lake City versus Phoenix, a lot of reports that this isn’t the case. All the media and fans that dog on the coyotes, don’t seem to understand that arena location is everything there. Phoenix isn’t Toronto. The greater Phoenix area is very unique in that it’s incredibly spread out. The fans are there, the market is absolutely massive, and growing, but they need to go back to downtown Phoenix. an accessible arena is everything.
great heated debate! love this stuff.
Craig you are right on the mark. Why do people want to be upset when someone honestly makes money after they have spent lots of money to get something done. I also have praise for Gary Bettman, he gave every opportunity to the city, the owner, the State to keep a money machine of revenue for the city, and now intelligently is saying it's time to move on there is a better way. The public officials there should have talked to Winnipeg, to get an understanding of the hole that is left when you lose a Professional Team/League of world acclaim.
wasn't the contract at Gila river, not renewed before there was an issue with payment? I still say the biggest problem here are the Arizona Politicians not the owner, not the NHL, and defiantly not the fans or team. if you live in Arizona, specifically Pheonix pay attention to who you vote for.
City of Glendale wanted them to sign a 20 year lease. The City of Glendale also put it out in the news that they were owed a million from the team, which was paid the next day I believe. City Councilman delivered a letter to the team to pack up and leave. I haven't been to WestGate since they moved to ASU. Still not sure why the residents of Tempe voted to keep a toxic dump rather than have a development with a NHL team. Utah is getting some very good young talent to build upon, we all hope they do very well.
The city council in Glendale called this owner out. This by the way is a city that fought to build the arena and get the Coyotes during the Gretzky years. The city just came to their senses and realised an empty building beats having the Yotes there and not paying their rent
Button is clueless on this one.
Delete your final three words, "...on this one", and you would have an even more accurate statement, there👍🎯!
@@HAL9010-sv1gh I usually respect his opinion but he came across as a real ass clown on this one.
The deal isn't done, but the players have been notified that they will be moving? I'm confused.
billion dollar business deals are complicated. there will be an agreement in principle but the deal is done when all the ink is dried. it takes a bit more than a crayon and a cocktail napkin.
Wish the worked out the lease in Glendale.
Agree with Jay. This is all on Bettman. The Coyotes should have been moved years ago. It’s never worked and I’m glad this garbage team is finally relocating and we never get to see those garbage eye sore uniforms and logo again. Bye. I really wish it was to a Canadian market, Quebec City, but I’ll take Salt Lake just for this stupidity to end. Also the NHL does not need anymore expansion and Phoenix should never get another crack at a team. Stop the insanity.
Lmfao yeah nevermind they usually got 12,000 fans on average with a garbage team. That's ahout as many fans as winnipeg gets now. 😂
@@JarradBruessel32 Utah will average close to 19-20 thousand. That's what the Jazz do, and they aren't even close to the playoffs.
@@jeremym8490 It will be less than that for total capacity. The rink takes up more space and you lose some of the seating you have at a basketball game. I would imagine their max would be 2-3,000 less than what the capacity for Jazz games is roughly. But I do think the market will be solid for a team and as much as it sucks for coyotes fans playing at a 5,000 seat arena just could not continue.
@@TheKeeperofKeyss Agreed, but they already have plans to build a hockey exclusive rink. I am pretty sure the funding is already secured.
The Coyotes shouldn't have been moved, they should've built their arena in or near downtown Phoenix. Thats it. Thats all they had to do.
This is nothing new remember the Montreal expos situation when the owner they end up buying the Florida Marlins and leaving the expos to the league which end up being in DC
I have been hearing on sports radio that some people don't think that hockey will work in Utah either
It will work. The owner for one has deep pockets and runs his NBA operation properly and with class. I suspect he will win people over with the NHL. It can't be worse than the dumpster fire in Arizona
If they had not burned bridges they could have tried to work out a short term deal with Glendale. Is it a good location? No, but it can hold the numbers that the NHLPA could not complain. The bridge was burned so bad that you notice it is never mentioned.
Glendale wanted the team to sign a 12yr lease to stay, and would've welcomed them with open arms if they had. Coyotes couldn't stay there because they never made money in Glendale, except for the first few years (ohh, shiny!).
@@pliskenmovie they were getting whiteouts during the 3 years the team was owned by the league. It is a terrible location but if the team is winning people make the drive. The problem was no owner since the NHL has put a winning team on the ice. Armstrong has the best chance. Utah is going to benefit from our loss.
The Delta Center in Salt Lake City has a capacity of 20,000 if they decide to go with that arena before they can build one of their own.
The chargers played in a mls stadium for 3 plus years
He spent or lost 300 million?
Jay and Craig have great chemistry. Keep these two guys bickering at eachother TSN, its good tv.
They should have NEVER Broken up Jay and Dan.
Ugh, what an embarrassment. No wonder hockey gets no respect. This isn't as bad as trading Atlanta for Winnipeg, but its up there.
Phoenix will always have endless lifelines with Bettman as commissioner. Gary's shown he'll put up with a huckster owner to keep a franchise in a market he desires.
Bettman deserves criticism for this. They should have relocated to Quebec years ago.
Admit it. You only want the Nordiques back for nostalgia.
@@RobertSmithhalo nope want em back cuz their fans deserve to have their team back.
@@ozzmoises sure. Whatever floats your boat Ozz.
That was fun debate not heated!
Jay 1. As a coyotes fan EAD. 2. There have been times that Florida, sharks, blue jackets would not have filled mullet arena.
Have to kind of see it as a win win also. Salt Lake is ready now and has stadium funding. Arizona owner needs time to get things done on stadium and other issues. If he can get things done and organized in time for expansion he could be a winner also with a billion in his pocket to start with by the sell of the team.
Bettman and the league fought tooth and nail to keep a team in Arizona for a decade plus when everybody and their dog knew it wouldn’t work. Crazy that it dragged on for this long.
You are right Jay
This is the best thing I’ve maybe seen in years regarding the coyotes, Jay represents MOST hockey fans regarding this team. It’s never not been a complete joke and now there’s a chance it happens ALL OVER AGAIN! Where’s the win?! He makes profit off a franchise that’s managed literally zero!
Jay Roasted him on that one!!!!!
I like Jay when he gets smart and serious about a topic, he should do this more than the silly shtick routine. Agree with Jay.
Canadian sports talk does American style sports debate and it’s….a thousand times better because you can tell they care about the subject, and are actually having a RESPECTFUL conversation as opposed to just yelling at each other. Bravo.
yea no, this isnt a culture war over who has the better sports analysis. there are great american and canadian sports analyists and there are some terrible ones from both countries. Canadians are so fragile and afraid of being compared to Americans for some reason and really think they are better for whatever reason.
Jay has always known how to bring the energy
Jay his a bit unhinged but i LOVE IT 😂😂😂😂LOVE YOU BIG MAN .....Miss Dan though
Craig it is a joke has been forever and you know it.
Craign is right on this. Think about it. If they get this arena. They will finally have an arena, but you can always change an owner.
Yotes should have stayed in Phoenix, moving to Glendale was their demise.
Jay simply knows what he's talking about. People would respect people like Craig if he simply said he didn't know enough to have an informed opinion.
More!
Craig thinks they're going back? You have to be kidding me. The guy's taking his money and running..
Craig button is like Steve Dangle he can't wait until Arizona fans get screwed. They hate the hockey fans in Arizona
Quebec City offered to buy Coyotes too????
Admit it. You only want the Nordiques back because of Nostalgia.
Way to leave out how big a loss this is for fans of the team. No negatives? Not everything is about money.
I feel like Jay was laying down facts and seemed more right but what is Craig going on about that no blame to Bettman lol they should've been moved years ago
Way to go Jay!
2:44 on point
tough take Jay.
I hope they get cool jerseys
I agree with Jay 100 PERCENT!!!!!!!!!!!
2:44 Sadly, the worst sports owners are often rewarded by essentially being bribed to go away. Craig *does* make a good point though that the Ottawa sale helped provide the cover to negotiate these amounts. The Sens are in the bottom third of the league of revenues and yet they managed to sell them at 10 figures. I'm skeptical the league will return to Arizona as fast as five years. Not because I don't think they'd like to go back, I just don't trust Merulo to hit any of the benchmarks. The saddest thing is that Merulo might not even be the second worst owner this franchise ever had. The proper thing for the NHL to have done would have been to make the same arrangement they're making right now with Merulo with the Glendale city govt in 2010. Then the original Jets could have come home and the league could have paid at least more-than-passing attention to the Atlanta situation (and then either they could have stabilized that or ended up in Quebec/Portland/etc.).
What the heck is Button arguing here?
"This is a win, win, win." Tell that to the fans and the people who worked in the organization who are going to lose their jobs. What a tool! TSN embarrassed themselves with this cringe take.
Craig calls it a win, win, win, completely forgetting the Coyotes fans.
The best part of this story is we finally won't have to hear about all the problems in Arizona anymore, at least for the foreseeable future. Taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook to help bail out rich owners without either getting their money back or getting part ownership of the team, with a caveat that the owner has an option to purchase the taxpayers' portion of the team back at full market value. Down with corporate welfare. If the franchise won't stay afloat without that taxpayer subsidy, then it shouldn't be put there, regardless of the size of the market. Just because there are 10 million soccer fans in a city doesn't mean they'll support a hockey franchise there. The fanbase has to be interested enough to support the team, not just for the first 6 months of its existence but for a long timeframe (10+ years) with the numbers to back that up; otherwise, forget it. And speaking of forget it, is anyone else in disbelief that the NHL is considering putting a team in Atlanta for the 3rd time?
I agree with Jay.
Whoa... that segment was sooo disrespectful to Yotes fans. Have some class!
Odds would be high on a betting sight that hockey returns to Arizona in 5 years. My thoughts are the Yotes owner runs for the hills with the cash 💰!
Button bidding hard to get a GM gig with Morello's expansion team. Dude is ridiculous.
I'm with Jay
Jay > Craig Omg this was a lopsided debate
Tough look to defend the ownership, who will gain hundreds of millions of dollars, while the Arizona Coyotes organization’s employees will lose their jobs and the fans will lose their team 😅
He bought the team for 300 million BUT also assumed their debt that was another 300 million is what i understood .
Gary Bettman is so at fault for the failures in Arizona and his stubbornness to admit he was wrong. That franchise should have been moved years ago.
this is what they are talking about down south when they say the Canadian media are biased against them
Of course the Canadian media is biased. More precisely, they are biased in favour of a Canadian perspective (as opposed to being explicitly anti American). They know that their audience wants to see more focus on Canada and Canadian teams in the NHL, and would love to have seen the coyotes relocate to Quebec years ago. They are catering to their audience. You don't think American media is biased in favour of America?
I don't think Salt Lake ownership was motivatied two years a go to make a move.. IMBW
It's Bettman's fault. No one can tell me that the league couldn't have moved the Coyotes to Quebec City instead of owning the team for 4 years and being embarrassed a decade later by having to play in a 4600 seat arena. Lol.
The only losers are the fans. There are fans that do exist for the Arizona Coyotes, and it is sad to see them lose their team. Fans don't deserve that.
I guess for TSN Arizona fans being screwed is one of those wins in the winwinwinwin.
Jay 💯
Craig is wrong - as usual 😂