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HYDRAULIC PRESS VS ADJUSTABLE WRENCHES

Crazy Hydraulic Press
2023 ж. 10 Нау.
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We will test the strength with the help of a hydraulic press adjustable wrenches produced in different countries and manufacturers

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  • Hate to see that old German wrench destroyed.

    @mikeseier4449@mikeseier4449 Жыл бұрын

    • It deserved to be in a museum than this

      @why_do_we_have_to_use_handles@why_do_we_have_to_use_handles Жыл бұрын

    • ye such old things shouldnt be destroyed

      @FoxxingWillow@FoxxingWillow Жыл бұрын

    • Guys not everything that is old is worth anything, this is basically just metal junk with no historical value at all

      @drantigon@drantigon Жыл бұрын

    • @@drantigon but that is where you are wrong, that tool could have helped provide how far whe have evolved with tools

      @why_do_we_have_to_use_handles@why_do_we_have_to_use_handles Жыл бұрын

    • yeah I really like antiques 😢 would’ve been nice for my collection

      @iloveappleyoutube7198@iloveappleyoutube7198 Жыл бұрын

  • The most major adjustable wrench manufacturer in Japan It's "Lobtex". Makita is a power tool manufacturer, not a hand tool manufacturer. I wanted you to go with "Lobtex" if you want to compare

    @mikareisuzu@mikareisuzu10 ай бұрын

    • I am from Germany and never hear here from Gross Tools??? The most famous here is Hazet. Gross Tools is here a *NO NAME BRAND*

      @NudelAug@NudelAug10 ай бұрын

    • lobtex and TOP KOGYO

      @VoiD1x@VoiD1x5 ай бұрын

    • Lobster wrenches are amazing.

      @graxxor@graxxor3 ай бұрын

    • @@NudelAug WERA, GEDORE, WIHA, ... die Liste ist lang

      @ThyEyes@ThyEyesАй бұрын

  • That old German wrench was too cool to crush

    @daewooparts@daewooparts Жыл бұрын

    • He should have given it to someone who can restorate it.

      @marcom2248@marcom2248 Жыл бұрын

    • nothing is too cool to crush 😀

      @Pidalin@Pidalin9 ай бұрын

    • Thought same

      @aureus1381@aureus13817 ай бұрын

  • Not really fair...2 $ vs 45 $ But please don't destroy Things like the Wrench from 1885😢

    @mash8050@mash8050 Жыл бұрын

    • Yes

      @aeta2802@aeta280211 ай бұрын

    • Very good

      @bardya2582@bardya258210 ай бұрын

    • Yes, there is no contest for metallurgy processing of today

      @tomcatt7159@tomcatt71597 ай бұрын

  • Bacho wrenches are by far the best. I’ve got a Bacho wrench I was given as an apprentice over 45 years ago and it still does the job.

    @user-fj1wk5mj4r@user-fj1wk5mj4r5 ай бұрын

    • Sadly they are not the same superb quality as when they were made in Enköping Sweden...... Its the same with their screwdrivers.......i guess the Special steel made by Sandvik was to expensive for Snap-On that owns the brand Bahco nowadays. 🥺

      @krokodilen31@krokodilen313 ай бұрын

    • Yes old Bahco is very good

      @Tessulandia@Tessulandia20 күн бұрын

  • omg...I'm Japanese but it's first time to see Makita wrench. Nobody know Makita makes and sales hand tools in Japan🤣🤣🤣🤣

    @tdfxxnr250@tdfxxnr25011 ай бұрын

    • ほんまに、マキタの凄みは電動工具なのにな

      @user-OMANGEMANGE@user-OMANGEMANGE11 ай бұрын

    • Lol . I'm from Ukraine l, and i see in stores "makita" tools, like a drill, from $20😂😂😂

      @SarenArterius1987@SarenArterius198711 ай бұрын

    • マキタがレンチ作ってるの知らなかった。

      @PaiPaiPaPaiPa@PaiPaiPaPaiPa11 ай бұрын

    • ​@@SarenArterius1987 ドリルではなく、レンチの話をしているのではないでしょうか？

      @Muuran.ch-@Muuran.ch-3 ай бұрын

  • I recommend leaving relic tools out of it.

    @mdutchy2582@mdutchy2582 Жыл бұрын

  • 4:53 The device panel tells 682kg but red color number is 783! Its not a mistake?

    @geopeliaaow3768@geopeliaaow3768 Жыл бұрын

    • Yes

      @sergioenriquez6395@sergioenriquez639524 күн бұрын

  • Thank you for not trying to include "climate change" in your videos. I love your channel...its cathartic . 🙂

    @kencooper9514@kencooper9514 Жыл бұрын

  • Makita wrenches are made by SATA tools, not sold in Japan.

    @phono479@phono47911 ай бұрын

  • Where are you getting 783 for Taiwan? I know YOU put on the screen that it was 783, but the reader clearly said 683. How was the same mistake made twice?

    @TheGreatDudist@TheGreatDudist Жыл бұрын

    • They make a lot of mistakes

      @goldenwolf6349@goldenwolf6349 Жыл бұрын

  • It is strange that the Japanese representative is Makita. A monkey wrench would be either Lobster or KTC.

    @sengoku-ze2rw@sengoku-ze2rw11 ай бұрын

    • The lobster is considered a "light weight wrench", maybe the KTC. 🤷 Also it's kinda sad that only sk and milwuakee still make adjustable wrenches in the usa. 🥲

      @nocturnal0072@nocturnal007213 күн бұрын

  • Magnifico esperimento de prueba

    @reynolvicentesanchez560@reynolvicentesanchez560 Жыл бұрын

  • We all groaned when the ancient wrench was crushed. But it will hopefully be preserved as visual digital science now.

    @heetsees@heetsees Жыл бұрын

  • I'm really amazed at how much the tools can withstand. Especially the cheap ones. But what always amazes me most is Taiwan.

    @CrazyMurphy@CrazyMurphy7 ай бұрын

    • Most is coming from the east. Is the German backo maibe a Taiwan import backo?

      @henkholdingastate@henkholdingastate5 ай бұрын

    • Mâlesef Taiwan malı ürünün değerini yanlış girmişler 100 puan fazla

      @fatihkubilay17@fatihkubilay173 ай бұрын

    • @@fatihkubilay17 very helpful that the typical turkish egotrip is visible here

      @MrTiti@MrTiti3 ай бұрын

  • senseless destruction, each of these tools could serve for 50 years ! I have a 70-year-old wrench that was used by my grandfather and is still in use ...

    @grafslo4453@grafslo4453 Жыл бұрын

  • Next up, ancient Roman carriage axle wrench.

    @motorrad2@motorrad2 Жыл бұрын

  • Definitely given me a newfound respect for crescent wrenches from now on. Thank you for doing this

    @sscorpio71@sscorpio71 Жыл бұрын

    • 三日月レンチって何か知らないが、jpの一般的にはモンキーレンチだが、 サイズの違うののを捕獲する意味は何だろうか。 モンキーレンチのサイズは長さで表されるが、サイズがバラバラだ。 10:08

      @mysygisun3335@mysygisun3335 Жыл бұрын

    • ​@@mysygisun3335 es increíble el asiático no comprende el chiste 😁

      @TrapiRegge@TrapiRegge3 ай бұрын

  • Doesn't really matter which wrench you have, you'll never be able to spread the jaws applying force by hand. It's only when you start using bits of pipe or a hammer on them that you'll notice any difference, which is not what they are designed for anyway!

    @Altair885@Altair88510 ай бұрын

  • Taiwan Force is absolutely top, i have it in work and its very good tools for good prices

    @andrejlukac1783@andrejlukac178311 ай бұрын

  • Fiyat performans olarak Taiwan force. En doğru seçim

    @ucanterlik199@ucanterlik19911 ай бұрын

  • Conclusion: Never buy expensive and overpriced wrenches from the USA.

    @bartobruintjes7056@bartobruintjes7056 Жыл бұрын

    • American one had good result

      @arya3261@arya3261 Жыл бұрын

    • ​@@arya3261Worse than polish one for 1/3rd of a price

      @MotivationSHCUM@MotivationSHCUM10 ай бұрын

    • Just buy German things

      @user-tg1ub8pg7r@user-tg1ub8pg7r5 ай бұрын

  • Russia and China seem to be keeping the traditions of the 1800s

    @SnowButter@SnowButter11 ай бұрын

  • I wanna see a hydraulic press in a hydraulic press next 😊

    @mCblue79@mCblue79 Жыл бұрын

  • We pay tribute to the old German wrenches.

    @user-qw6yv1bo9l@user-qw6yv1bo9l11 ай бұрын

  • you don't apply the force at the same points, so some of the mechanisms are subjected to higher loads

    @nejdatsar7471@nejdatsar747111 ай бұрын

    • The wrenches are all ergonomically different, it's inevitable to have variance in load distribution.

      @idiotidiot5821@idiotidiot582110 ай бұрын

  • انت فنان ورائع❤استمر🎉

    @husaamfaisal4648@husaamfaisal46489 ай бұрын

  • Interesting presentation of information. And what is the purity of the experiment do you know? Although, it depends on what goals you have followed.

    @KpoT-178@KpoT-1788 ай бұрын

  • Szacunek za dodanie polskiego produktu:)

    @piotrekmianowany4122@piotrekmianowany4122 Жыл бұрын

    • Gdzie Ty tu widzisz Polski produkt?

      @radosaw6443@radosaw644311 ай бұрын

    • 10:06

      @2Grzesio@2Grzesio11 ай бұрын

    • "Högert" - faktycznie, staropolska nazwa

      @patrykg3120@patrykg31209 ай бұрын

    • prawie mieszko pierwszy tylko troche skosny@@patrykg3120

      @paweandrysiak3190@paweandrysiak31909 ай бұрын

    • 😂😂😂😂😂

      @cristidinu9752@cristidinu97527 ай бұрын

  • I couldn't watch as the adjustable wrenches were mounted upside down! Force needs to be applied whilst pushing the load instead of pulling the load which easily damages the adjustment mechanism. You should repeat the test using the wrenches with the correct side up!

    @robirobinson9426@robirobinson9426 Жыл бұрын

    • That's true 👍 Glad someone noticed that fact 👏

      @Toomass21@Toomass2110 ай бұрын

  • Taiwan didn't do 783... It did 683

    @bslothed3211@bslothed3211 Жыл бұрын

  • Hello everyone, I am Taiwanese. Taiwan and Thailand are not the same country. Thank you.

    @user-fr6bg8qb3b@user-fr6bg8qb3b6 ай бұрын

  • If you use the spanner up the other way it will handle more pressure!

    @MrJadedvagabond@MrJadedvagabond11 ай бұрын

  • ❤Greeting from Taiwan.

    @fichtechang9638@fichtechang96389 ай бұрын

  • Don't think my hands are gonna torque a bolt at 1300 lbs. with a wrench anytime soon. 😖

    @mosriteminioncause7741@mosriteminioncause7741 Жыл бұрын

  • Just why destroy the German wrench? It was so cool

    @tanyasnaza8675@tanyasnaza8675 Жыл бұрын

  • I don't see where the Taiwan got 783.

    @garattyfisher@garattyfisher Жыл бұрын

    • It didn’t: it tied with Germany. The 783 is a typo. 4:50

      @1samc@1samc8 ай бұрын

    • 683

      @anti-Antifuhcktard@anti-Antifuhcktard3 ай бұрын

    • 683* typo I guess

      @khilji2k5@khilji2k53 ай бұрын

    • I think he wrote it by mistake, he was supposed to write 683 instead of 783

      @seo-jangjan6130@seo-jangjan61302 ай бұрын

  • They all did good. I'm not that strong. 😁

    @1joshjosh1@1joshjosh1 Жыл бұрын

  • In the Netherlands is this tool commonly known as a “Bahco”, named after the most used brand here. I’m a bit surprized that this particular brand wasn’t part of your testpanel?

    @huibheijboer3225@huibheijboer32257 ай бұрын

    • It was actually the founder of Bacho who invented the adjustable wrench as we know it some 130 years ago.

      @magnuswallin588@magnuswallin5884 ай бұрын

  • 10:15 thoughts and prayers for those that fought and battled hard to the very end. We salute you

    @djfunkychicken@djfunkychicken11 ай бұрын

  • Not correct teste, distans from centre to pressing place is different. Must be same.

    @sergiyderbenko4076@sergiyderbenko407611 ай бұрын

  • 私は日本人で、バスの整備をしています。一時期新興国の安い工具を使っていましたが、高い負荷を掛けるため、すぐに壊れてしまい、安物買いの銭失いになってしまいました😭そんな中台湾の工具だけが生き残っています👍お値段以上の物ありがとうございますm(_ _)m工具作りは、人柄、国柄を表しているかも知れません‼️良い工具を作れる国は、良い物も作れます👍

    @user-gr6qy2lj8d@user-gr6qy2lj8d10 ай бұрын

  • Bahco claims to have invented that type of adjustable spanner. Would like to see you test one

    @klirrivirri@klirrivirri Жыл бұрын

  • harga menentukan kualitas💪

    @manusiabumi5495@manusiabumi5495 Жыл бұрын

  • I’d like to see Crescent, Proto, Craftsmen, Bahco, Snap on, and Armstrong adjustable wrenches tested as well….I’ve got Wright, Channelock, Mac and others, but they last because I take care of the tools. Thanks for the test.

    @mr.mendez9378@mr.mendez937811 ай бұрын

    • SK is a really good one too

      @redsquarejay@redsquarejay7 ай бұрын

    • Любой каприз за ваши деньги 😅

      @user-ul7rl9hu3n@user-ul7rl9hu3n7 ай бұрын

  • An interesting video but. let's be honest, you couldn't apply hundreds of kilos of force to an adjustable wrench in any practical application, so they were all easily strong enough. Usually, the biggest problem with these wrenches is getting them in to the available space.

    @nigelrg1@nigelrg111 ай бұрын

    • How about situation where you have to use an extension, like a 1 meter tube? Personally I’ve never trust an adjustable wrench to be strong enough for this, anyway, there is too much « flex » in the mechanism to ensure a good grip

      @sebcam9498@sebcam94986 ай бұрын

    • @@sebcam9498 Never underestimate the (brain) power of your average worker. You can fix a chain on the wrench and pull it with a stock wind that lifts several tonnes.

      @sualtam9509@sualtam95095 ай бұрын

    • 使用鐵管加力或其他，瞬間斷掉或變形鬆脫，很危險的，測試其實有參考加值！

      @a96024@a96024Ай бұрын

  • It matches my impression about right. You buy Germany brands or Japan brands when it comes to hand tool. But I am amazed how Taiwan do well too.

    @jyunnheikusada7003@jyunnheikusada70039 ай бұрын

    • I thought Taiwanese people only manufactured high-tech chips, but I didn't expect they could also produce tools.

      @Enzo661100@Enzo6611008 ай бұрын

    • @@Enzo661100 That is what Taiwan do best, but Taiwan also has wide variety of industries. I used to know that we export lots of hand tools, but I always thought that is because of the value is good. Not aware that the quality is also pretty good.

      @jyunnheikusada7003@jyunnheikusada70038 ай бұрын

  • By Taiwan force the peak was 682 but you wrote 783 😅

    @Vlacu@Vlacu Жыл бұрын

    • +1

      @Fernando.Rincon@Fernando.Rincon Жыл бұрын

  • Murphy Wrench: the square bolt on the test rig wrung off before the press hit 100 kg.

    @andrewg.carvill4596@andrewg.carvill459611 ай бұрын

  • I’m Japanese. I’ve never seen a Makita wrench. For some reason,it is not sold in Japan.

    @user-zs5sj5lz7m@user-zs5sj5lz7m11 ай бұрын

    • ちょっと調べただけだけど販売されてはいるみたい でもあんまり出回ってないのかな？って感じだった

      @SnowButter@SnowButter11 ай бұрын

    • @@SnowButter 並行輸入品かと思われます。 正規に国内向けとしては販売されてはいないようです。

      @user-zs5sj5lz7m@user-zs5sj5lz7m11 ай бұрын

  • Makita.. standart price but great quality...

    @heidhouarbi@heidhouarbi Жыл бұрын

  • Best testing

    @user-sf9rn9yx5f@user-sf9rn9yx5f Жыл бұрын

  • Taiwan reached 683 not 783 still good though.

    @Wayward5686@Wayward5686 Жыл бұрын

  • Never heard of the company "Cross" in germany. Next time try Stahlwille or Hazet...

    @mtt8244@mtt82448 ай бұрын

  • Can you try the İZELTAS which is produced in Türkiye?

    @ormanadami0@ormanadami011 ай бұрын

  • I have an adjustable wrench like the old one with the twisted handle, its in good nick with russian writing on it.

    @agentolshki4265@agentolshki42653 ай бұрын

  • This test is not feasible. There is a difference between the strength of the metal and its hardness. It is not a known criterion. The more the hardness of the metal is subjected to fracture more than the ductile metal.

    @kaldos.ms.66@kaldos.ms.6611 ай бұрын

  • 04:53 & 10:07 TAIWAN 783 ?，Should be 683, But I am very proud to see products from my own country that can perform like this, and the price is right

    @wenhay1939@wenhay193911 ай бұрын

    • Shut up and take my money!

      @vio3667@vio366711 ай бұрын

    • Indeed, it is 683!

      @panagis.p@panagis.p10 ай бұрын

  • Al final de tus videos ,deberías poner una lista y así más fácil saber cuál es el resultado, cuál fue mejor.

    @ramatams@ramatams5 ай бұрын

  • 工具をある程度、触ってきた日本人としては、台湾製品が思った以上に頑丈で、しかも安くて素晴らしかった👍

    @sin467@sin4676 ай бұрын

  • if most of your garage work only needs no more than 200kg torque and all these wrenches meet that spec, then which one you will most likely buy, the 5$ or 45$ ?

    @zhongwang8287@zhongwang82873 ай бұрын

  • Total waste for the old German wrench, but glad to see that the newer German wrench only had some scratches...it wa structury intact. 😊

    @HIpigoRE1@HIpigoRE111 ай бұрын

  • Are you sure you choose high grade equipment for all country?

    @chithaponr.6397@chithaponr.639710 ай бұрын

  • I would like to see Urrea from México 🇲🇽 among the adjustable wrenches tested here, I know that not only would it is a worthy competitor but it could very well win.

    @robertovanbravenrizzo3875@robertovanbravenrizzo38757 ай бұрын

    • Свяжитесь с автором и договоритесь об отправке посылки в его адрес

      @user-ul7rl9hu3n@user-ul7rl9hu3n7 ай бұрын

  • Taiwan 683 kg a nie 783 kg

    @michalgula3921@michalgula3921 Жыл бұрын

  • Hola 1 consulta la llave vieja la precion que se ve es en libras o kilos? Y la llave vieja seria 34,6 kilos??? O 346 kilos ??

    @adrianleonelli7027@adrianleonelli7027 Жыл бұрын

    • It is in KG 346 kg

      @marceldagon7291@marceldagon7291 Жыл бұрын

  • Bonjour, très instructif comme expérience mais normalement ce type de clé s'utilise dans l'autre sens, la force doit s'exercer le plus près de l'articulation pour diminuer le bras de levier

    @autoag4775@autoag4775 Жыл бұрын

    • Je ne suis pas d'accord de votre idee de sens de direction.

      @nigelrg1@nigelrg111 ай бұрын

    • @@nigelrg1 chacun fait à ça convenance, j'ai déjà cassé trois clé, en l'utilisant dans ce sens je je ne l'ai pas encore cassé.

      @autoag4775@autoag477511 ай бұрын

  • From what country is the 1980?

    @dennisbennington4920@dennisbennington4920 Жыл бұрын

  • höegert - very polish name and very polish brand!

    @spicydiarrhea5662@spicydiarrhea5662 Жыл бұрын

    • thats not polish thats more German

      @SlavicUnionGaming@SlavicUnionGaming Жыл бұрын

    • @@SlavicUnionGaming thank you captain obvious, you saved the day once more.

      @spicydiarrhea5662@spicydiarrhea5662 Жыл бұрын

  • good, greetings success always.

    @SYNWorld-Life@SYNWorld-Life Жыл бұрын

  • 面白い動画でした、次はKTCやスナップオンも加えてください！

    @araisyoten@araisyoten10 ай бұрын

  • The modern adjustable spanner: Todays design is the little Swede of 1891-1892, pat. 4066 (1892), of inventor Johan Petter "JP" Johansson.

    @Macovic@Macovic11 ай бұрын

  • Imagining that they were repairing German tanks with him. 😔

    @user-oq2ql9no4n@user-oq2ql9no4n10 ай бұрын

  • 何故にマキタ？ KTCかTONEでは？

    @user-uf5se2ij8p@user-uf5se2ij8p11 ай бұрын

  • There is a brand called Izeltaş in Turkey. It is the most prominent brand in Turkey. Please include that brand in your tests.

    @serhatgulseven8489@serhatgulseven8489Ай бұрын

  • None of this matters. No one is ever going to put that much pressure on an adjustable wrench.

    @patrickperry6945@patrickperry69457 ай бұрын

  • its awesome 😊

    @rommelvl7848@rommelvl78483 ай бұрын

  • that belongs to a museum!

    @delcarmat@delcarmat11 ай бұрын

  • whats the music in the END?????? please anyone answer me

    @user-de9nw1bg2d@user-de9nw1bg2d10 ай бұрын

  • Need to see Facom vs Spap on,

    @user-rq2se6uv3d@user-rq2se6uv3d Жыл бұрын

  • Sorry, but I didn't see the 783 kg on the clock with Taiwanese one, just 683.

    @zoli8603@zoli860310 ай бұрын

  • Az öreg német jó konstrukció. A fix, és a menetes köracél közé kellene hegeszteni mégegy összekötő erősítést, és akkor nem tudná elhajlítani. Szerintem jó anyagból talán az lehetne a leg erősebb! Majd a kínaiak megcsinálják 10$-ért. :-D

    @relativ69@relativ697 ай бұрын

  • That Taiwan held up pretty nice

    @warriorplutotrent3827@warriorplutotrent382710 ай бұрын

  • How many force by humen press??

    @winkyawaung9006@winkyawaung900611 күн бұрын

  • you should have included the canadian one from hand tool rescue

    @windhelmguard5295@windhelmguard52953 ай бұрын

  • I think you need to face the fact, that thing is never coming undone.

    @david_k@david_k Жыл бұрын

    • Yep. Has to turn the other way!

      @wordreet@wordreet Жыл бұрын

  • The old German key could have been cleaned, as a historical memory

    @uklondontruyitdy3871@uklondontruyitdy38712 ай бұрын

  • Love that Taiwan made one❤

    @toyo4485@toyo44858 ай бұрын

  • I remember i had a half inch stainless steel plug stuck in the instrument holder because somebody did not use teflon tape. In the workshop nobody could get it out with a wrench like this. I put a foot up and pulled with all my weight and 120kg of myself and with a screeech it started moving. hehe. Became hot too.

    @mweskamppp@mweskamppp11 ай бұрын

  • モンキーレンチ実験して頂きありがとうございます。 各国の道具が結構耐久力があるのにびっくりしました。 ソケットレンチも実験して欲しいです。

    @yk02100210vv@yk02100210vv11 ай бұрын

  • Why isn´t the Swedish original wrench, patented 1891 from Bahco tested? It was called "Swedish wrench key" in US.

    @Suprasteel@Suprasteel3 ай бұрын

  • Está al revés la llave, es invertida, la carga, o el peso, se pone en la cabeza, tienen que repetir Las pruebas los resultados son diferentes.

    @Travis-pk7ys@Travis-pk7ys Жыл бұрын

    • I thought the same thing as well.

      @Wayward5686@Wayward5686 Жыл бұрын

  • マキタってレンチとかも作っていたのか！知らなかった！

    @ryokun360@ryokun36011 ай бұрын

    • 同じく(;'∀') インパクトドライバーのイメージが強いよね

      @tmhrsyut@tmhrsyut11 ай бұрын

  • What about the momentum?

    @hakaninanl@hakaninanl3 ай бұрын

  • Please test KTC Japan.

    @user-jo1dp8km8q@user-jo1dp8km8q3 ай бұрын

  • Peccato che non ci sono anche le chiavi Beta o Usag italiane, sarei stato curioso.

    @carmelogiardina7581@carmelogiardina75819 ай бұрын

  • Its much more inportant when whrench start to deform, not when broke. Its can bee very flexible and doesnt broke, but cant too doo anything with this whrench.

    @mariusmaciulis6740@mariusmaciulis6740 Жыл бұрын

  • Bisa dikonversi ke torsi gak?

    @dadang1986@dadang1986 Жыл бұрын

  • Может попробовать раздовить бетон с разными фибрами

    @user-on5ke7or6g@user-on5ke7or6g Жыл бұрын

  • Nice

    @dthdishtechmdismaaildthdoc6560@dthdishtechmdismaaildthdoc6560 Жыл бұрын
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