Polygamy is the Norm | Louise Perry

That's why the Romans were monogamous.

Polygamy is natural and an inherent immutable orientation. I understand that for religious reasons some people may oppose it, just as they oppose homosexuality, but that does not mean society has the right to keep discriminating against polygamous people when society has removed the restrictions and discrimination against homosexual people. We need to legalise polygamous marriage NOW.

@@markcroydon3195 wrong. Polygamy in humans is for undisciplined, self absorbed people without morals and values.

And for any culture or nation.

@@markcroydon3195 how exactly is it immutable if it depends on socioeconomic forces to be a viable matting strategy? How is it immutable if our species naturally selected for monogamy in every society since the invention of written history. If polygamy was the natural state of our species then it would have withstood outside pressures. I don't think you know what that word means.

Possibly an anomaly where men with a certain personality and combination of ‘dark triad’ traits are appealing to women at a base level, possibly because they present high status behaviours despite being low status.

Maybe it's a reproductive strategy for chronic brokies. Sire the kids and let someone else raise them since you're too broke to do so yourself.

True. My father had six children with five different women over a 22 year period, between 1964 and 1986. He did marry one of them (marriage lasted 4 years; the relationship itself was 12 years) and had one child in wedlock, before getting divorced, and then getting someone else pregnant (and then leaving again). Sadly, he took his own life when he was 50 (when my youngest sister was 4). It's not a great model: 2 of us were adopted, me and another sister, who also took her own life; one died in childhood in a motorcycle accident; of the remaining 4, I never met him, one sister has a few memories one has one memory, the other has none (he left when she was 18 months old). However, he was everyone's favourite uncle, and I've heard many stories from some of my cousins (I've met 16 of them - there are 45 in total; he was one of 15) and they all remember him with great affection.

​@@hananokuni2580 An accurate description of my father.

The deadbeat dad with multiple baby mamas is only possible in a welfare society.

Even in the royal family it was sibling marriage monogamy.

Good counter point

Monogamy was also the norm in virtually every ancient civilization, including Ancient Greece, Babylonian, Indian and Chinese. Often their rulers did have multiple wives, as did some nobles, but the average citizen did not. Monogamy is simply the most efficient means of creating and growing the next generation of humans in civilization states.

I am a second language English speaker, and I find it always funny that there are husbanded animals and husband as word for a married man. Probably these men are all husbanded by their wives.😂 The origin of the word is "house bonded" I guess. In some German dialects "Hus" means house.

​@@miriamlana833well they do love together and are bonded intimately by marriage, so house bonded makes sense tbf.

​@@miriamlana833 _Hus_ is an old Germanic word for "house" and _band_ is similar to the Dutch word _bond,_ which means "league". The word husband means "to use or manage judiciously". The husband exercises responsibility over his wife and functions as a kind of steward. He exercises authority over her _for the sake of others,_ not necessarily for himself. This would suggest that the relationship between husband and wife is not isolated from the broader society, but in fact is an integral part of it. Under this definition, the wife has rights as well as her husband. After all, no man gives his daughter away in marriage without expecting some kind of benefit in return.

Exactly. Monogomay is really a bribe in order to get males to work harder. No bribe means the males will not work at all. Keeping multiple women was an expensive task which many men and males in all species do not want. In non pair bonding communal species the amount of male ancestors to female ancestors are pretty similar. Unless you are guarding the females there is very little chance you can be sure that the offspring will be yours. In polygamous societies its not like the males stick around. That is not the case in any species. The main male has to take care of all of the women essentially by himself with the women doing alot of the work to feed and raise the young while the male defends the group. This evolved to a few males then eventually one male to each female. She is incorrect in the polygamy thing in that every single group on earth had some form of effective monogamy for most people but the very highest male often still had more females and in no society was polygamy a common occurrence in large societies with a single male having 20 or so women without a very large tribe of essentially monogamous members with them. It went one man with alot of women and then alot of mostly monogamous relationships with the rest of the males going out on their own. Monogamy was still the norm in general society with just the exception of the tribal leader. She is blinkered to the one percent alot like most feminists.

I think it’s more accurate to same society forced women to be monogamous for those reasons. I don’t think there’s been any period in history where men of means were strictly monogamous as the norm

Open relationship is not the same as polygamy or polymory.

You have no choice. Stop coping

@@myronbourne6937what??

@@The_og_moonwalker Did I stutter?

​@@yeetem6461 it is.

Very true. And actually, it makes me wonder if monogamy is one of the reasons Europe came to dominate the rest of the world.

​@@hanselliusGood point. Though I feel acquiring, and further developing technology was a major factor.

@@hansellius …actually it’s probably why Christians ended up dominating the world.

@@twcnz3570 Do you think technology, philosophy and and development would have grown at an equal pace, or a slower pace if polygamy was still the norm? If it is studied and found that children grow up better under a house of monogamy, what would be the positive outcome for polygamy? Just curious if you feel the that technological advances are somehow inevitable as humans evolve, or if it is driven by culture, or both.

@@jasonharter4876I think technological advancement is inevitable but the rate of that advancement is determined by multiple factors such as the availability of resources and the culture of the people.

Because it doesn’t work. That’s why polygamy is the future

The problem is gang culture. Monogamous countries like Canada, Norway and Iceland have way lower crime rates than polygamous Africa

Don't want to have to repeat ourselves 😂

I would like to read about it if you have any sources?

SILVAIN DURAIN (he's a French writer who has done a lot of research on that, worked along with anthropologists & studied tribes in South America plus other parts of the world). He explains & narrates everything, online you'll find him really going deep into those subjects, interviews etc... IDK if you'll find it translated into English though . Go check him out anyway: SILVAIN DURAIN (among a few others).

One anthropologist said that. Just one 🤦

@@exphionno, a lot more than one buddy

True...which says very little for democracy.

People should have the freedom to choose, period. It doesn’t matter what you believe or what makes you comfortable. And they won’t “always” choose the wrong thing. Not sure where you pulled that idea out of.

Not always.

​@@zaingazi3548Nobody has democracy so it doesn't matter.

Lol....this is the most based thing j have read in a long time. Kudos.

Lol, there's no objective reason why you should replace your biological desires with values artificially created in society. You can do this, just like vegans stop eating properly, but this doesn't make this strategy superior or "more human". People have different values, you see.

Yet they are equally as bad for civilized society. You ideally want as many kids to have a mother and father as possible. The "baby daddy" concept, which was mostly practiced by the uncivilized black lower class in the United States, has spread like wildfire into all ethnic groups and has caused millions of kids to grow up in single parent homes. This is mostly because the culture no longer values marriage or the obligation of parenthood as highly as it used to.

Thats a lie. I can marry one wife in a way that legally obligates Me to her in absolutely no way. And I can marry two or twenty or two hundred wives. In a way that legally obligates Me to all of them and that protects all of them and myself. You are speaking from a place of legal ignorance.

​@@SherrickDuncan In many places and countries, with the marriage contract, a man is obligated to do the provisioning of the necessities and so on whether the woman has money or not.

Either way it’s immoral if your wife doesn’t consent or is coerced into it

Not within marriage.

@@priestesslucy3299why ? It could reduce infidelity

@@priestesslucy3299 marriage is where paternity laws need to be updated the most. Why should men be enslaved to support a child that isn't their own offspring? Current laws determining paternity are ridiculous

Feminist will fight to the death to prevent this

Marriage is a contract on mutual trust, faith and fidelity. Mandatory paternity testing undermines these essential requirements.

There's a reason why in the Bible, Solomon has 1,000 wives: women are wired to seek high status men, have very little use for most men. When women are socialized by a decent Christian culture, they appear to be naturally monogamous. They are not.

From an evolutionary perspective, it's about gaining protection, and ensuring the best genes for your children.

Human women are still much better than elephant seals.

​@TimBitts649 Solomon married 700 women to keep peace with pagan kings. Daughters of these kings had no choice. That is why God told him that he had done evil in HIS eyes. Also these pagan cultures sacrificed infants to Baal and other gods. Solomon allowed it to happen. Whatever happened to many of Solomon's children?

Women would rather deal with sister wives than be stuck with an unappealing partner.

More like promiscous societies took that long. Polygamous societies are the link to monogamous ones. Society is still several percentage points polygamous and always has been. Plus muslims and african tribes and the king of thailand.

You are an interesting fellow from the few comments i've seen you post here, how do you know this stuff? What books did you read to get this knowledge>@@freneticness6927

​@@freneticness6927few muslims have multiple wives actually

Delusional 😂

It favours loose morals and sleeping around more than anything. Its not like one or two men are keeping a massive haram of loyal females. As the poet said " these hoes aint loyal".

Its more about alot of men being derelict and some men being responsible and keeping more wives under their protection. These responsible men therefore had more kids which made more responsible males which made monogamy. In large tribes most people were monogamous whereas the head of the tribe may have more wives as is seen in a lot of cults. Real polygamy in which the only relationships are polygamous have never existed anywhere. All societies have been essentially monogamous with the exception of some high ranking members. Even in muslim societies. Its just that christian and roman societies banned official polygamy altogether even though someone like caesar joked about having alot of kids and had children with cleopatra out of marriage just like mark anthony did.

@@freneticness6927 I think your term of "derelict men" needs some consideration. There were plenty of low men with high birth and low... everything else... to give the lie to your hypothesis. In general I think that 'derelict men', as far as I can understand the term, would likely end up with no wives, and likely live short lives in comparison to 'responsible men'. Frankly though if we look at any historical rendering of violence and military actions we see that 'responsible men' have a higher rate of mortality compared to 'derelict men', at least as far as I would consider the terms. And most of history is violent conflict after violent conflict.

@@UnbeltedSundew I agree that most men even in polygamous societies were mostly monogamous throughout history. But many men who didnt have wives did so because they just lived in their own groups and chose not to have wives for a long time. Spartans didnt get married until they were thirty. Abraham apparently didnt until he was very old. Its just that most women were under the protection of some men. There were roving bands of men but not roving bands of women. Those who chose to protect women ended up having families. Its just like in nature where there are alot of roving single or groups of male lions and other animals going about but some animals which have families of one or two or more at some point.

A divided house can not stand , there can be only one mrs. in the house or war will eminent.

Nah. Polygyny is good for children

@@myronbourne6937polygyny works only in perfect circumstances. There are selfish men who want multiple wives so he can feel powerful, then end up having multiple families with dysfunction and drama. I’m Muslim and I have multiple family members who have been raised in polygynous homes. Two wives for each man, a house for each wife, but the man almost always has a favorite and gives less time to one family. This is really stressful and makes children and wives feel abandoned, jealous, and like they’re the worse family. That’s why monogamy is ideal for children over anything else. This is the reason polygyny is allowed in Islam, but not encouraged *unless* the man is marrying a widow, orphan, single mother etc. so basically circumstances where he’s doing good not only for himself, but for the woman as well. But of course if a Muslim man would like to marry multiple women just for the heck of it, and can afford it, God will reward him if he’s a good husband and keeps everyone happy and in harmony.

You dont need to have children in marriage lol

@@myronbourne6937 Polyandry is best for the children. Polygyny results in children who have far less relationship with their father than they need.

Polygamy has always existed and still exists in society. Pure monogamy is a myth made by religious people. Alot of people are mostly monogomas but people having multiple kids with multiple women have existed at every point in history for pretty much all societies.

You dont believe we have always been a semi polygamous society then. Every species is semi polygamous we have found out and the only reason why people didnt think that was for biblical reasons with adam and eve and two of each kind. Most kings and high members of society had and still have multiple illegitimate kids. The thing is where people pair bond in marriage. Boris johnson or donald trump will have alot of wives and mistresses in reality. Its just where the bond between pairs of people are kept. Polygamy is the mid point between monogamy and everyone having relations with everyone.

If youve ever been cheated on you already have.

After 24 years of being human on this planet, I have to agree with you.

Don't worry, the comet will remedy the situation eventually.

Any other species youd rather be?

Change your soundtracks. Back to the '70 and '80s. Just what you want to be, you will be in the end. Love will find a way, if you want it to. I believe there comes a time when everything just falls in line. We live and learn from our mistakes, the deepest cuts are healed by faith. Live every moment, love everyday. Cause if you don't, you might just throw your love away. Or go back 2000 years and look for what you want from Luke chapter 1.

It’s called healthy competition

@@FOURTEEFIVE men can compete for the best women and women for the best men, but without a possibility to win at all for some, competition is not healthy but destructive.

Nobody owes anyone their body. So you don't solve the problem. If you can't find a partner, or if there aren't enough partners to go around, then that just sucks. But there's no reasonable or ethical "solution" to that problem that doesn't invade someone else's autonomy.

If one problem spirals out of control and you wind up compounding those problems, you only have one problem and a very simple solution, fight entropy.

​@@JesseLeeHumphrywhy?? You don't say the same for poor people, financially disenfranchised people. We have social programs for the lower financial classes. Why can't we do the same for lower status men??

Polygamy was never widespread and was only reserved in certain human societies for the 1 in a hundred men in a tribe who had a few more wives than the mostly monogamous men. This women is just blinkered with the 0.1% most successful men feminist mindset. Most women in history were not in massively polygamous relationships. They were mostly in monogamous lower status parts of the tribe wherever in the world you went.

@@freneticness6927 heck in some poorer parts of the world Polyandry is practiced.. A woman marries two or three men (often brothers) to consolidate resources and labor without overproducing offspring

​@@priestesslucy3299 As you said, Polyandry does not have a biological base but only an economical base. Therefore, Polyandry is extremely rare.

@@freneticness6927 Yes, i found her take completely off about this, also the concept that Christianity came up with patriarchy...

@@priestesslucy3299 If you are saying women sometimes cheat I think jerry springer already did a show about that.

Both leads to disunity, jealousy and strife.

@thorwilkinson2565 there was also a tradition in india where if the husband dies then the widow is sacrificed too

@@NINacide this was also common among pagans around the world, glad my Daughter is not pagan.

@thorwilkinson2565 yeah, the English put an end to that tradition

​@@NINacideIt wasn't a tradition, a superstition and it was done to keep the islamic horde away from committing crimes against women during the invasion era

Actually progressivism.

That is true The crime rate in Europe was very low during middle ages

Like Solomon have hundreds concubines

Oy vey that’s very anti-semitic of this woman to speak positively about Christianity. No one is allowed to do or discover good things outside of the Jews otherwise the ADL will have to get involved to fight the injustices. 109 countries and counting are all wrong to be mean to Gods “chosen ones.” It is always the host countries fault, every single time! Oy veeeeeey where are my shekels!

@@abotariq257That story is descriptive not prescriptive. Yes Solomon had hundreds of concubines but the Bible specifically prohibits polygamy. The Bible is filled with stories of people disobeying God’s orders and doing their own thing. Also Solomon suffered severe punishment from God because of his lust. The entire Kingdom of Israel was nearly destroyed because the dude couldn’t keep it in his pants.

Like Abraham, David, Solomon, and others? Seriously do Christians even read their Bible or do they just listen to whatever lies their pastor decides to spew out on Sundays to justify the beliefs they took from pagan Rome?

Yeah but they didn't stick to it did they. Read the book.

It completely depletes the manpower of the society aswell as those men will not work to support society. See grass eaters. The only prominent polygamous societies were the desert ones where having a large herd of animals was more important than work and even in those societies the main man had a few more wives and most of the rest of the people were mostly monogamous. Those societies do not need to work very much and only need to keep livestock like the mongols. But when they bumped into settled societies their culture completely collapsed. Todays society is much more promiscuity for all and no one is really keeping loyal. But the male manpower in society is definitely decreasing but in the cerebral centered world it seems to matter less. Women are once again gravitating to what will ensure the survival of their offspring in a world where controlling the means of production means more than physical labour. Most women and men will still have one or two children together though but the bottom 50% of men may be generally overlooked by women whereas most women will still find someone who will have a kid with them. It just means that alot of men will check out of society, the society will be poorer and the women will have to raise offspring completely by themselves. Returning to the random young raising style of our fish like ancestors.

@@freneticness6927 You are quite right, but i will also say that even a great number of women are not having kids as well... the number of single and childless women as risen and it is rising substantially.

@@knightheaven8992 I do not see a problem in the population naturally trending down a bit anymore than im worried about it trending up a bit. It is factually pretty much always one or the other.

​@@freneticness6927 You make it sound like women are some sort of bribe to get men interested in contributing to society

Really? Who was That and how do you know?

Explain how it's more economical and how it reduces crime, I really don't understand.

@@dartskihutch4033 Seriously? For one, open sexuality trespasses the boundaries of loyal homogenous relationships facilitating lies and dishonesty which easily cross over to other social deviant behaviors associated with crime and mayhem. Don’t believe that? Look at modern American big city life.

@@wlodell so 1. Ridding of loyalty altogether isn't exactly an improvement from having at least most people who have some. It's like saying if no one was employed, then we wouldn't have an unemployment issue! 2. Most criminals come from single parent homes, while stats on polygamy's effects on children is too limited to even compare. This if anything, is a huge oversight to the many other problems that create criminals, and whether your dad has 4 wives instead of 1 is likely very low on the priority list. 3. You didn't address how it's economical.

Please provide verifiable statistics to back up your claim.

@@soulsistersam7 Please provide stats to back up your claim.

I'm sorry to insult you, but just how bad is your listening comprehension? Because your comment counters literally nothing which was said in the video.

@patrickobrian9669 Evidently my "listening comprehention" (on a platform which solicites comments) is less than you would prefer, so, again, please provide STATISTICS.

I think you're saying that polygamy is not the norm and it's not good. It is the norm. It is not good.

You get the absolute best of both worlds- genetically- in a monogamous society where married women freely express their desires without concern of punishment from their husbands. Average Joe hubby gets at least one child out of the deal, and she gathers superior seed for most of her children. A focus on quality with diversity maintained.

Thats not necessarily a good thing. That means the bad genes could get passed down with the good. Being genetically diverse can be just as genetic defect causing as being genetically undiverse. like ligers and mules have very diverse genetics but that is not good for them as they are often infertile. Some survival of good genes is good for society. No one wants jeffrey dahmers or harvey weinstiens genes to be passed on.

what is pimpin? In my language, pimpin means to lead

Nope

Not true at all polygyny is completely biblical and there are many scriptures that back that up. David was a man after God's own heart and God had him do all his desires one of which was giving him multiple wives. Man and woman coming together to be one is a symbolic reference to reproduction. 2 flesh become 1 = a child created from two humans.

@@myronbourne6937 cope

@@Nate012 rope

Why?

Women dont choose average man

Thats what my comment was implying already. Thx for saying the obvious, i guess?

Polygamy is a result of fallen carnal flesh. Men should choose to rise above their flesh.

Oh I do - I believe in Christian values but not in God.

Yes, it is God's design. And a man is trying to create his own rules. How pathetic and absurd isn't it?

What rule of God are speak of? Where in Bible they ask man to be monogamous or prohibited polygyny?

No, it's not.

There's no such problem. Statistically the vast majority of surplus women are old age women. Women live longer than men and women don't pass away before their time as frequently as men do. Usually the composition of the society resembles a triangle which means that there are more young people than there are old people. However, these day the composition of the society resembles an inverted triangle which means that there are more old people than you people. Thus there's indeed more old women than young women. Elderly might want company but I don't think they will seek marriage.

​@@Ugnelewrong.

Man has always wanted to be God.

@@REwing true, but reasonable "people" come to the conclusion that they are not God and they are better off surrendering to his rule.

But Judaism and Christianity, the religions which promoted monogamy, came to the world due to the Roman Empire. Btw, the "four wife rule" in Islam is primarily a restriction of excessive polygamy and for making shure that no single woman has to be involuntary celibate or widow in a demography with a great lack of adult males which the ancient Arab/Beduin society was because of constant tribal wars.

​@@miriamlana833well, it wasn't Rome's doing, it was because Jesus died in Roman territory and is where the religion began. That's not the same at all as "Rome created it" but rather Jesus created it and the Romans followed it eventually.

@@dartskihutch4033 yes, the Romans originally only adopted the ancient Greece religion and gave the gods new names, Zeus became Jupiter and so on. But later Rome was the deciding catalyst for monotheism.

The women can. They hold the power, not men. If you can't find at least two women who are foolish enough to ALLOW you to sleep around on them, then you can't "marry" anyone. You can't marry one without her consent, let alone two. And if you're in the U.S. no one will even acknowledge your filthy relationships even if you do find two fools who are desperate to be with you. Sensible women aren't going to allow themselves to be disrespected by a man.

​@shayemoore Nope. 😂 only in the west do women have that power. We can simply move to a country where it's legal and the patriarchy is strong

@@myronbourne6937 It doesn't matter if it's legal or not. The women have the power and authority in any country. If the women don't agree, it won't happen, so it doesn't matter what men want. They will also have other men, so you will be a brother husband. The most you can do is cheat, and anyone can do that.

@@shayemoore Yeah I can tell you've never been to a majority Muslim country 😂 I'll let you live in your little fantasy land while I go take care of all my wives. Have a good day!

Because it was Roman law. Google it

Poor explination

I Googled it. In Ancient Rome and Greece, monoganous marriage was the law and the norm. This is what set them apart from other civilizations of their time. It was to ensure that families would be cared for and for men of influence to know who their children were.

@@JohnHoulgate Thankyou that's a good answer. Thank you for that. Did it happen to say if this came in after Constantine.

They didn't choose. Most men in history have been low-status, so they had no choice but to find one wife and be content with that.

@@JenniferSmith-do1tw Interesting, thanks for the information

Yes

Rome and greece. Certainly not the massively polygamous desert dwelling jews where all of the patriarchs and almost all of the kings of israel were polygamous.